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2:38 AM
@derobert So much thanks.
 
 
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8:21 AM
hi, question: do you know in which configuration file the chosen window manger choice is stored, for each user?
(in Ubuntu)
 
8:45 AM
How can i ssh to an external ip?
 
9:39 AM
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Q: How connected to a pc that is on an external network with ssh

ScorpionThe pc must be accessible using the ~/.ssh/id_rsa ssh key, i' m not sure how connect. sudo ssh user@<public_ip>? I have to use root? And I need a static ip? I set here https://freedns.afraid.org a subdomain, so in that page i can see an ip. I have to somehow mirror the internal ip to the subdoma...

 
10:24 AM
@Scorpion You use ssh ip-addr where ip-addr is either the public IP address or the DNS name of the external host. Your question is unclear and confusing as it's not clear what you have tried and what happened when you did. It's is further unclear what the public IP address is the address of. It could be the address of the machine that you actually want to connect to, or it could be the address of the public-facing router that the machine sits behind.
 
 
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3:26 PM
@Kusalananda - re: awk ranges; with GNU awk 4.0.2, I generated an input file seq 20 > input; then awk '7,13 { if (/8/) print}' < input, but got back "8" and "18"
 
@JeffSchaller there are two issues there: you need to specify patterns, and the range can repeat
so seq 20 | awk '/7/, /13/' outputs 7-13, and 17-20
seq 20 | awk '/^7$/, /^13$/' only matches 7-13
in the case being discussed I think the correct form is seq 20 | awk 'NR == 7, NR == 13'
 
@StephenKitt so bare numbers as ranges doesn't work? Something Kusalananda was doing apparently worked, so I'm trying to figure out how.
 
@JeffSchaller seq 20 | awk '7, 13' doesn’t filter anything for me
 
ahhh, I see you replied already. I thought I'd mess around in chat instead of comments.
 
@JeffSchaller heh, I messed around in chat and then commented ;-)
 
3:47 PM
@JeffSchaller No, it doesn't work. It "worked" for me because I was testing on a dataset that didn't haveany lines matching the expression outside of the range.
Thanks for setting it straight.
 
@Kusalananda happy to help! Particularly when it means my sanity remains intact. Thanks for confirming!
 
4:05 PM
I get bad check sum errors on sending UDP packet to another machine
12:02:25.491432 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 42746, offset 0, flags [DF], proto UDP (17), length 148)
    machine1.41852 > machine2.syslog: [bad udp cksum 0xbc24 -> 0x8553!] SYSLOG, length: 120
syslog-ng is forwarding syslog messages to other machine
but today we start seeing bad chksum
 
4:23 PM
@overexchange did something change between yesterday and today? It might be worth setting up your environment and ideas for reproduction into a Question
 
ok
these are redhat machines
I dont have redhat login
 
> Root Cause
This is caused because one has checksum offloading on network card (NIC) and tcpdump reads IP packets from the Linux kernel right before the actual checksum takes place in the NIC’s chipset.
> Resolution
These errors can be safely ignored and they are not harmful.
 
 
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5:26 PM
vmxnet/vmtools known optimizations.... a RH login is free btw
 
6:06 PM
@JeffSchaller We are using OSE version of syslog-ng in production. Do we need to pay for this?
 
 
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7:44 PM
@overexchange pay for what? I think you have to pay RedHat (or I guess soon IBM...) if you want access to their knowledgebase.
 
I wonder how much difference it will make if RH is now owned by IBM. RH is an important funder of free software. Will that now go away?
 
AFAIK, syslog-ng is GPL/LGPL, so you'd only need a commercial license if you can't abide by the GPL
@FaheemMitha No idea. IBM has a mixed history w/r/t open source, though AFAIK nothing terrible. I don't know what their current opinions are... or what they plan to do with RH. Or how much they'll refocus on only immediately profitable initiatives and e.g., cut long-term R&D
Doesn't strike me as a panic! distaster! as e.g., Oracle buying them would have been
 
@derobert Still not good news, though.
It's hard enough to get funding for Free Software as it is.
And RH has been doing it for a long time.
They have a long history of sponsoring people to work on the gcc toolchain and related things, for example.
And of course they bought Cygnus once upon a time.
I can't say I'm a fan, but they're certainly more reliable than IBM would be.
 
Yeah. I'm withholding my judgement on it until we see what IBM actually does. Conceivably, IBM puts more resources in to it. Equally conceivably, they just try to get as much cash out of it short-term, and cut all that stuff...
 
Ideally they would just leave it alone, but of course that's very unlikely to happen.
 
7:53 PM
I'd normally guess it'd mean a greater focus on datacenter/server/enterprise stuff.... but I think RedHat was already pretty focused on RHEL. So I'm not sure that's really possible.
I doubt IBM is going to cut off work on kernel, toolchain, etc., those are things IBM depends on to make a lot of money, too.
 
@derobert Let's hope so.
It's already the case that lots of important things receive little or no funding, and basically run by some volunteer in his or her spare time. As quickly becomes obvious with a little digging.
 
Desktop stuff, though, I'm not sure how much money they make with Linux on the desktop. Probably not much. So that might go. (But I'm not sure how much of that was left at RedHat anyway).
 
Documentation is a particular problem. Even funders of free software don't seem to care about it. With the possible exception of the FSF, or maybe I should say Stallman.
But the FSF doesn't really do free software funding any more, anyway.
@derobert People run RHEL on the desktop, don't they?
Or CentOS, which is basically the same thing.
 
CentOS doesn't make money for RedHat.
Neither does Fedora (the no doubt much more common desktop)
 
@derobert That's true, it doesn't.
@derobert I thought Fedora was a test-bed for RHEL.
 
8:01 PM
SystemD should be more than enough to leave RedHat alone.
 
While I'm, again, no fan, historically RHEL has been quite a civilized player in the free software space. And that's more than one can say about a lot of people.
 
There is a RHEL desktop for enterprise folks mostly, but I doubt that's anything compared the the server/cloud market.
 
@RuiFRibeiro I'm not sure what you mean.
 
Ditto, not exactly a fan.
 
@RuiFRibeiro shrug For all the hate it gets, there is an amazing lack of anyone coming up with a real alternative. And an amazing lack of actual problems caused by systemd, at least on any of the dozens of systemd systems I administer...
 
8:03 PM
@derobert Still, it does seem to have a tendency to take over things.
I've no idea if this is a continuing tendency, though.
 
@derobert I also administer systems with systemd nowadays....when I was doing Debian till last year, and I was on charge of the whole process, I did not.
Anyway, SystemD looks nicer ;)
 
@RuiFRibeiro There is a SystemD which is different from systemd?
 
@RuiFRibeiro Nice answer on Ubuntu WSL airmon-ng...
(+1 as I was going to write the exact same thing)
 
@FaheemMitha It absorbed udev, not sure what else it's really absorbed. Though udev can, AFAIK, run without it; it's just maintained by the same project.
 
@FaheemMitha I will abstain explain here what I meant by the D....
@Fabby That WSL sure attracts a lot of bad questions.
 
8:06 PM
@derobert I thought there was other stuff too.
 
"System D, that's like 495 revisions after UNIX System V?"
@FaheemMitha It offers a lot of daemons that optionally do things that there are other ways to do too (e.g., network config, time config, time sync...)
 
@RuiFRibeiro People don't understand the difference between real Linux and WSL...
 
@Fabby ;)
@Fabby When I arrived at the current job, current Linux admins had an workflow based on Windows+WSL
 
@derobert cron.
 
@Fabby Depressing.
 
8:08 PM
@RuiFRibeiro Same as: Will my Windows driver for my gaming keyboard work under Vüdü Linux)
 
@Fabby Dont give them ideas.
@Fabby I was the first one here using a Linux desktop. Putting the corporate VPN to work was a bitch.
 
>:-) There are no N00bs here in chat except me and @PrabhjotSingh
:D
 
@RuiFRibeiro Time for Gilles to write a "Why is WSL so hard, why won't anyone help me?" question, which we can then use to close WSL questions with extreme prejudice.
 
@RuiFRibeiro I can imagine... Did they look for MCAfee running as a process before allowing you on too???
 
@FaheemMitha LOL.... I do not know wether we have extreme prejudice, or people have prejudice dumping on us their brain farts too often...too many bad questions with 0 effort
 
8:10 PM
@RuiFRibeiro (That's where I said: fuck it: I'll use WSL)
 
@FaheemMitha Sort of. Timers do something slightly different than cron (they start services), but yeah. Often used similarly. (Also similar to all kinds of task scheduling, which many daemons provide themselves)
 
@RuiFRibeiro That was an idiomatic use of "extreme prejudice".
Verb: terminate with extreme prejudice
  1. (euphemistic, US) To murder; to assassinate.
  2. The government ordered the spies to be terminated with extreme prejudice: they did not want them to expose what they knew in a public trial.1969, Terence Smith, “Details of Green Beret Case Are Reported in Saigon”, The New York Times, August 14, 1969:
  3. ...suggested that he either be isolated or ‘terminated with extreme prejudice.’ This term is said to be an intelligence euphemism for execution.
  4. 1979, Apocalypse Now
  5. Colonel Lucas: ... When you find the Colonel, infiltrate his team by whatever means available and terminate the Colonel's command.
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Yikes, that's quite an expansion.
Basically an American usage. As with most violent imagery in English.
 
@FaheemMitha I got along a bit of the meaning did not known it was that. thanks.
 
@FaheemMitha (I guess there is a systemd-cron, which imports crontabs into systemd as timers... so yeah, they offer an option to replace cron)
 
@FaheemMitha :D :D :d Aaah! To murder!
 
8:13 PM
@Fabby LOL.... I tried for a bit to use WSL at work, but was going nuts...that is why I can answer most of the questions too
@Fabby Still have two Linux admins using it....
 
So, now functional is WSL?
 
@FaheemMitha there is the journal too (vs. /.*syslog.*/); systemd-nspawn (vs. Docker or rkt or...), and systemd-resolvd (vs. /etc/resolv.conf & friends)
 
@FaheemMitha It's always been "functional"
(for a certain definition of "functional": if all you need is the GNU utilities, you're fine (which is what I need 95% of the time))
 
@FaheemMitha It depends on what you can calll functional
@Fabby LOL was writing the same thing.
 
Shrug. How does it compare with running native Debian, say?
 
8:14 PM
@FaheemMitha Bad?
@FaheemMitha LOL
 
@RuiFRibeiro :D :D :D
 
@FaheemMitha not ptys....even a script command fails.
"script"
bah
 
@FaheemMitha Command-line bash and GNU utilities: fine. Anything else: bad.
 
@derobert I take it you don't have a problem with systemd? It seems to attract very mixed opinions.
 
8:15 PM
wow, they haven't emulated ptys?
 
@Fabby Hmm. (Makes mental note not to use WSL.)
 
@derobert they are emulating them partly in the last update....
 
@FaheemMitha In the land of the blind...
 
seeing a Canadian or French zombie movie here....
 
@Fabby (Also makes mental note not to use Windows.)
 
8:16 PM
(E.G.: if on Corporate PC: WSL is better than nothing)
 
@RuiFRibeiro Called?...
 
@Fabby In corporate PC....VmWare or Hyper V ;)
 
@FaheemMitha :D :D :D I only use Windows to change my keyboard backlights as the current kernel I'm using doesn't support my hardware...
@RuiFRibeiro Too much RAM!!!
 
@FaheemMitha Don't really have a problem with it. That's not to say it doesn't have issues — as the saying goes, all systems suck, some just more than others. It sucks (much!) less than sysvinit
 
I'm a power user with a 24GB RAM machine: WSL is just fine... for my use case at work
 
8:17 PM
@derobert So no new problems relative to sysvinit?
@Fabby 16GB here, but memory leakage seems to account most of my problems. Probably mostly from browsers.
 
@derobert Starred! (My apologies: I like systemd better than init too)
@FaheemMitha Watch less Pr0n!
:D ;-)
 
@FaheemMitha ravenous
 
@FaheemMitha It definitely has problems sysvinit didn't. E.g., sometimes dependencies are #@!# annoying. The way some things are sequenced can be a royal PITA to get right. But the things it fixes vs. sysvinit are much more important.
 
@Fabby Pr0n?
@derobert I see.
 
@Fabby Not that much ram lol
@Fabby My Debian VMs are very, very light
 
8:19 PM
@FaheemMitha the word "Porn" but misspelled to evade Censorship.
 
@Fabby Censorship? On SE?
 
I hate systemD
 
@FaheemMitha SE is still a corporation.
 
And no, I don't watch porn.
 
E.g., I've had more systems fail to reboot (the shutdown part, not the come back part) under systemd than under sysvinit — mostly because sysvinit would happily not notice something failed and continue anyway. It takes more work to convince systemd that, no matter what, triggering that reboot is essential — even if a bunch of filesystems fail to unmount, for example.
 
8:20 PM
@RuiFRibeiro You're an old fart: it's just different and more logical.
;-) :P
 
SE are milleneals with too much free time.
 
It only has one purpose for its existence, and it can't even fulfill that.
 
@RuiFRibeiro Old fart joke #2 :D
 
@Fabby yes, it is logical creating a big fat blob to handle init, DHCP, DNS, NTP. and whatever the f.
 
@derobert Is that good or bad?
 
8:21 PM
@Fabby ;)
 
@FaheemMitha Good, because you know a problem exists...
(and then you can do something about it)
 
@FaheemMitha Depends on your use case! Very different for a desktop in front of you (just hit reset if you need to) vs. a remote server
 
init just continues with rubbish until it's too late to do anything...
 
@Fabby I have here a FreeBSD and an OpenBSD notebook besides the corporate Debian and the Mac....
alas, two FreeBSDs
 
@Fabby Well, there is a substantial proportion of humans who would rather not know that things are wrong, but I take your point.
And I suppose they don't make particularly good sysadmins.
 
8:23 PM
:D Oh so true!!!
 
So, it's nice that you can have systemd wait an hour on that reboot to not lose data. But when what you really have is static data and need the availability, then no, just reboot.
 
@FaheemMitha If you would have written both those paragraphs into one, it would have been star-worthy! ;-)
 
@RuiFRibeiro No, DHCP, DNS, NTP, etc. are all separate daemons. Designed to work with systemd (and maintained by the same project), but independent.
 
@derobert I prefer utilities that do not assume they know more than me.
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still seeing that canadian movie....
lol
 
@RuiFRibeiro Starred! (and I prefer the opposite and will create scripts for stuff I use rarely so the scripts will remember so I don't have to!)
 
8:25 PM
lol
 
I can see that mixed opinions exist right here. :-)
 
We're human! Take 10 random humans and put them in one room and they'll come up with 11 opinions!
 
@RuiFRibeiro Not sure systemd really does that, any more than sysvinit did. It just has a different default behavior — sysvinit loved ignoring errors and continuing regardless, systemd can complain and stop (which depends on whether you specify a dependency with Requires or Wants)
 
I think that I am more scared people like SystemD than the zombie movie.
 
@RuiFRibeiro In 5 years time you will kick yourself for having stated that...
 
8:27 PM
@Fabby I have FreeBSD and OpenBSD pilots....
 
(It's new and different, and it has some toothing pains, but it's far superior to init!)
 
@Fabby This Debian also has no systemd....
 
@RuiFRibeiro I'm on Ubuntu, so... :-)
 
@Fabby on call this week, so bringing it home.
 
Urgh... You're still on call?
 
8:29 PM
@Fabby I am no fun of Ubuntu either.
 
At your age? :P
@RuiFRibeiro I'm going to switch to Manjaro KDE Plasma...
I'm done with unpgrading: rolling upgrades is what I want...
 
Do people still use Manjaro?
 
@Fabby Changed job this year....3rd line...most guys are at my age there.
 
... I only took Ubuntu because I liked the Unity interface.
 
@Fabby AntiX here.
 
8:31 PM
@RuiFRibeiro You're a pro: I'm still a bloody amateur...
(that has to every now and then tell our Linux admins what to type)
:D
 
@Fabby lol
@Fabby antiX is doing a far much better job than Devuan....Devuan is mostly hype.
 
Does .antiX have rolling updates?
 
@Fabby Pro doesn't mean much in a lot of areas. Computers is one of them.
Most sysadmin types I've met have been morons. Well, not literally, but you know what I mean.
 
Getting used to systemd definitely took some time (and painful experience). Not just for me, for everyone — including distros. The systemd experience on Stretch is far better than on Jessie. And better still on Buster.
 
@Fabby nah, Stretch packages except the ones that are infected with systemd
 
8:33 PM
@FaheemMitha I'm a pro IT guy, I'm not yet a Linux pro...
The day I install Arch from source, I will be!
;-) :D
 
@Fabby LOL
 
Here I am thinking that french canadians speaking English are scarier than the zombies.
 
French Canadian is sexy...
 
@derobert Can you easily buy meat like lamb, rabbit, duck, etc where you are?
 
@Fabby I spoke 50% of the time my mother tongue and then 5the other 50% English.
 
8:36 PM
I suppose lamb isn't really exotic...
 
@FaheemMitha yes
 
@RuiFRibeiro I sense a Zombie motif. What are you watching?
@derobert And reasonably priced? I wish I could get more of a variety of meat here.
 
@FaheemMitha Told ya. Ravenous, seems a Zombie canadian movie.
 
@RuiFRibeiro The name of the movie is Ravenous?
 
@FaheemMitha Take up hunting: lots of flavours to eat where you live...
 
8:37 PM
@FaheemMitha yes...dont waste your time searching.
 
Here lot of nice food.
 
@FaheemMitha Yeah, we have a fairly diverse population around here, so plenty of grocery stores (including some large ones) that stock stuff targeting all kinds of cuisines
 
I'm not really a horror film watcher, but I find zombie movies oddly fascinating.
 
....and it is cheap eating out.
@FaheemMitha Best zombie film ever: 28 days later
@FaheemMitha Best vampire movie: 30 days of night
 
8:39 PM
@derobert The US always seemed to me like a fairly well-stocked kind of place. You ca get anything you want. Here, our beloved PM decided to make eating beef illegal.
@RuiFRibeiro Dawn of the Dead is pretty good - the Sarah Polley version.
Really riveting opening.
 
@FaheemMitha 30 days of night II a shit
 
@RuiFRibeiro Huh?
 
@FaheemMitha See the 28 days later....
 
@FaheemMitha well, that just means you have something to use as black market currency next time he decides to take all your cash away :-P
 
@FaheemMitha the 2nd movie was not good. the 1st one a master piece.
 
8:41 PM
@RuiFRibeiro Second best zombie film: 28 weeks later
 
@derobert Extremely perishable currency.
 
@FaheemMitha well, you could use beef jerky
 
@FaheemMitha For me the better.
 
@FaheemMitha Huh? Since when???
 
The 28... zombie films are also quite good.
 
8:41 PM
@Fabby Ha, the british one.....
 
@Fabby It's been a while. And not just in Maharashtra. It's been a bit of a theme in India recently.
 
@Fabby I think it depends on where you are in the US. Major metropolitan area is very different than rural.
 
@Fabby was mixing up
@fabby it is 28 weeks later
 
@derobert I don't think I've ever eaten that. I wonder if it is available in India.
 
@Fabby not sure...one is the prequel
 
8:43 PM
@derobert I've been to both. (well, not Minnesota, but VA rural and Oregon Cross-state) and if you look, you can find pretty good ingredients and home recipes in the USA
 
cant remember which is which
 
Based on a quick Amazon search, seemingly mostly for dogs.
 
@RuiFRibeiro #1: 28 days, #2: 28 weeks...
 
@FaheemMitha It's a dried/salted for preservation form a beef. Though I guess if beef is banned, it's not going to be available.
 
beef jerky had that a lot in South Africa
 
8:44 PM
@Fabby I seem to remember those are both pretty good.
 
@Fabby yeah, they are good.
 
@derobert Yes, I know what it is, at least in theory.
 
@FaheemMitha Find a small supplier in the US and have the beef jerky mailed to you as "leather"
 
@Fabby Too much trouble.
 
@Fabby LOL
 
8:45 PM
No one in customs is going to try to taste leather...
 
Plus I would get taxed heavily on it. I don't really want beef jerky, anyway.
If I was going to import stuff from the US, I can think of lots of other things I'd much rather get.
 
EG When I send Belgian beer to the USA (which is illegal)
 
@Fabby I can find here stores selling me things from the USA and south africa. You pay a slight premium....
 
1. I ship magnum bottles only
2. denominate them "Decorative vase"
3. I add the following label:
 
@Fabby LOL
 
8:46 PM
So how does beef jerky taste?
@RuiFRibeiro Here you pay more than a slight premium. It's robbery.
 
@FaheemMitha Dunno, I was vegetarian at the time I was in South Africa....
 
"Not fit for human consumption, for display purposes only" In 6 languages (including Spanish, Russian and a few others)
 
Then again, that's India.
 
@Fabby lol
 
@FaheemMitha Errr.... salty and meaty?
 
8:48 PM
They always arrive and all the Americans are always surprised they do.
 
@Fabby lol
 
@Fabby Huh?
 
@FaheemMitha You should start your own business then as you seem to be a gourmet!
 
@derobert I meant, tasty vs not tasty. I realise that's a mite subjective.
 
Yes, alcohol is the food we have crazy restrictions on. Most others we don't, thankfully.
 
8:49 PM
@Fabby What makes you think I'm a gourmet?
 
@FaheemMitha Start reading from here:
4 mins ago, by Fabby
EG When I send Belgian beer to the USA (which is illegal)
 
@FaheemMitha Good, but then again what that's salty + meaty doesn't taste good?
 
@Fabby Ah, you are still talking about Belgian beer. Why not just put "Poison" on the label. Or "biomedical waste"?
 
@Fabby they sell american, mexican and south african stuff here
 
8:50 PM
@FaheemMitha You're always asking about food...
 
@derobert Dunno.
 
@derobert Hah! Try sending fresh Belgian meat to the US...
 
@Fabby I hadn't noticed. I thought I was a multi-topic animal.
 
@FaheemMitha I suspect "biomedical waste" might give him import troubles...
 
@derobert >:-) Or certain cheeses!!!
 
8:51 PM
Should I talk about Beyonce instead?
 
@Fabby I have here a burger shop specialized on belgian beer in Lisbon
 
@derobert heh.
 
@FaheemMitha :D :D :D
 
I guess it could be worse. Could put "nuclear arms" on the label.
 
@RuiFRibeiro Here In Belgium too! (not so much in Germany)
 
8:51 PM
@FaheemMitha Hey, not pop culture, I have not offended anyone....
 
@RuiFRibeiro Fair enough.
 
@RuiFRibeiro They're in every capital city. Even Moscow!
 
I was just reading that the Ambanis asked Beyonce to sing at one of their events. She apparently charges USD 2 million. Crazy Indians.
 
@Fabby Yeah, we have dairy laws that make it illegal to import or produce some young raw-milk cheeses.
 
@FaheemMitha I would pay for it not singing....
 
8:52 PM
I wonder how much the Ambanis pay their servants...
 
@derobert :D and have my friend tracked by the NSA for the rest of his/her life??? :D
 
@RuiFRibeiro I'd save my money...
@Fabby teracked?
 
@FaheemMitha loool
 
@FaheemMitha I don't think WSL is anywhere as bad as Kali. At least the people using WSL are largely using it for what it was intended for.
 
@FaheemMitha Tracked, sorry. Corrected
 
8:54 PM
@Gilles I see you are still reading chat.
 
@Fabby If only you could call the NSA when you accidentally delete a file to get it restored. But I think shipping something labeled "nuclear arms" might get you more attention than just the NSA.
 
@Gilles I am not sure they are using for what inteded for, but sure they are using it.
 
I would say welcome back, but it seems vaguely inappropriate.
 
@derobert I build a 1/5th scale model of Fat Man when I was 14-15 as a science project. (and called it Fat Boy)
 
@Fabby lol
 
8:55 PM
@Fabby I tried WSL a few months ago. I tried copying my .zshrc (which supposedly works with zsh 2.5 on SunOS 4, though it's been years since I checked anything pre-3.0). Got weird errors. It turned out that in WSL's zsh, true randomly returns 1, about 10% of the time.
 
Fat Boy the nuclear bomb? Fun exercise.
 
@Fabby Hopefully lacking the enriched uranium/plutonium!
 
I might try again in another decade or two.
Still, at least it's not systemd...
 
If we are all still here.
 
@Gilles :-P
 
8:56 PM
@Gilles :D :D :D Really???
@FaheemMitha Yup, in balsa wood, half open to show the interior workings.
(got full marks for that one)
 
@Gilles Bug reporting time.
 
Good thing you didn't build one of Little Boy, not sure what you would have called it.
 
@FaheemMitha from time to time
 
@derobert Well, it wouldn't have worked at 1/5th scale as it couldn't contain enough crutical mass of Uranium.
(Plutonium was the other one, looking for name)
Oh, shit! Fat Man was Pu
(ddamn, I'm getting old, but then it was nearly 40 years ago)
 
Nuclear bombs suck.
 
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