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6:32 AM

@JennyD any idea on removing timestamp of syslog server?

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Q: Syslog-NG logging multiple timestamps

In the below configuration, @version: 3.17 source s_network { udp( flags(syslog_protocol) keep_hostname(yes) keep_timestamp(yes) use_dns(no) use_fqdn(no) ); }; destination d_all_logs { file(...

linux rhel syslog syslog-ng

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11:09 AM

@Fabby bugs lol

@RuiFRibeiro I even made Shog9 smile...

Driving and off the grid for the next couple of hours (unless Telegram, hangouts, Skype or Slack)

11:32 AM

@Fabby Cool, enjoy your Halloween

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2:01 PM

@RuiFRibeiro I have tried your option already before posting the query

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Q: syslog-ng to remove multiple timestamps

In the below configuration, @version: 3.17 source s_network { udp( flags(syslog_protocol) keep_hostname(yes) keep_timestamp(yes) use_dns(no) use_fqdn(no) ); }; destination d_all_logs { file(...

syslog syslog-ng

2:46 PM

Hope you don't mind my addition, @StephenKitt

@JeffSchaller not at all, thanks!

3:01 PM

Sigh... Babysitting is tedious. Especially when the babies are Unix hacker wannabes.

Time to take a tiny U&L break until I'm in a better mood again, it seems.

Am stuck with syslog forwarding issue..

I see timestamp and ip of forwarding server in the destination machine using syslog-ng

3:58 PM

@Kusalananda Trick or treat! ;)

:-) You would get a treat if I had any to spare.

4:15 PM

@Kusalananda Actually we bought some treats, 6-8 neighboor kids usually knock at the door

RH 7.6 out "All of /etc has been moved to a flat binary database now called REGISTRY.DAT

A new configuration tool known as regeditor authored by Poettering himself (accidental deletion of /home only happens in rare occurrences)" ;-P systemd now includes a virtual userland previously known as busybox

@Kusalananda I'm now seeing amusing images of tiny baby Unix hackers typing on toy keyboards.

@FaheemMitha i.ytimg.com/vi/5j2LOZH9_oM/maxresdefault.jpg

@RuiFRibeiro Apple sure gets a lot of free advertising. Possibly paid advertising too.

4:56 PM

@FaheemMitha Sure, the quality of the computers is still interesting....my only complaint is the keyboard.

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Q: Forwarding raw logs only - OSE version Syslog-NG

Following the answer, I have tried making changes in Syslog-NG 3.17 OSE version, with below configuration, @version: 3.17 @include "scl.conf" options { }; source s_network_to_forward { network( flags(no-parse) keep-timestamp(no) transpo...

macOS still has the best GUI. It's a pity I seldom use it. I mostly work in a full-window terminal, SSH-ed into my OpenBSD machine.

5:49 PM

@RuiFRibeiro What's wrong with the keyboard?

@PrabhjotSingh I meant to ask - do you have health/medical insurance? And in any case, do you know much about it?

@FaheemMitha I ve health plus accidental insurance. But why ?

@PrabhjotSingh I thought of getting it. For myself possibly, and for other people. But it seems like a complicated and confusing topic.

What is your coverage? And what insurance company?

If you don't mind me asking.

@FaheemMitha Accidental is Bharti Axa. Health is hdfc.

@PrabhjotSingh I see. Did you do a lot of research before picking them?

I don't mind. Ask anything.

@FaheemMitha I was being non serious when bought Bharti Axa insurance. Someone pushed me to buy it.

6:01 PM

@PrabhjotSingh I just did. :-) I'm wondering how you picked them. There are tons of 'em.

@PrabhjotSingh That's an odd reason. Someone who was concerned about your safety? Do you drive a scooter? If so, I'd stop, personally. Those things are death traps in India.

It's seems half the people I met who have had accidents, have fallen victim to those things in some way.

I like the idea of review sites, but in India they are simply not very useful. Take Mouthshut, for example. And Amazon is only marginally better.

Part of the reason they are not very useful is that everyone hates everything.

@FaheemMitha At Master 's there is an insurance division. Last year my uncle take me there and there was a guy who compared various policies. Then he told us buy accidental with health riders. I was reluctant to buy at that time. After a month or so finally i bought one.

@PrabhjotSingh Master 's?

@FaheemMitha I told u. My broker, Master Capital

So you didn't do much research? Or any? Anyway, it's nice that there is someone looking after you. If anyone related to me showed they cared in any way, I'd faint dead away.

@PrabhjotSingh Well, you wrote Master 's. I'm not a mind reader.

So what made you go with hdfc? Is that HDFC Ergo?

@FaheemMitha Don't worry. There is someone who would help you (me, in this case ).

6:09 PM

@PrabhjotSingh Good to know, though I'm not sure what you are talking about.

@FaheemMitha you are interested ?

@PrabhjotSingh Interested in what?

I was just thinking about health insurance.

@FaheemMitha buying iinsurance ?

@PrabhjotSingh Yes, I am thinking about it. It probably makes sense.

I have people who work for me. I might buy it for them too.

See mouthshut.com/product-reviews/… for HDFC Ergo.

Lots of bad reviews. Liars, fakes, cheaters. Most of the reviews are like that, for any product or service whatsoever.

I'm not disputing that lots of bad things happen in India. I am sure they do. But this isn't very helpful.

I'll ask him tomorrow. What you want from your policy ?

@FaheemMitha I'll study some options. From who you buy i have nothing to do with. But Please procrastinate.

6:14 PM

@PrabhjotSingh I'm not sure. Some level of protection. I take it you didn't invest a lot of time thinking about it, then.

@FaheemMitha Rs 10,000 annually is enough.

@PrabhjotSingh I don't follow. What is Rs 10,000 annually?

SA, imo would be 10 lac.

@PrabhjotSingh SA?

@FaheemMitha you have to pay approx 10, 000.

6:17 PM

@FaheemMitha Excellent machine, the keyboard is flat and quite weak.

@PrabhjotSingh Ok, the premium. For the health insurance?

@Kusalananda MacOS used to be better, but between it and Windows.....

@FaheemMitha Sum assured, max benefit you can get. Theoretically 100 %, practically no one knows.

@PrabhjotSingh That sums up insurance companies pretty nicely. Though one can look up statistics about how they paid their claims.

And I wasn't aware SA was a standard acronym.

@FaheemMitha LIC is the best option for insurance. Their claim settlement is above 95 percent, imho. But their policies are not for health and accidental purposes.

@FaheemMitha Bajaj Finserv is also very good company.

6:22 PM

@PrabhjotSingh They're mostly Life Insurance, aren't they? That's a relatively straight-forward category.

@PrabhjotSingh Oh? Based on what?

Linear comparisons for things like insurance companies don't exist. And there are a ton of variables.

@FaheemMitha If LIC starts selling health insurance, no other company can beat it to it. But LIC deals in only life insurance.

@PrabhjotSingh Yes, I know.

I mean, I know it only sells life insurance.

@FaheemMitha claim settlement is the most important one.

In private companies agents tend to sell as soon as possible. Their only goal is their commission.

@FaheemMitha And one more thing you can't find good policies by reading reviews on internet.

6:38 PM

@PrabhjotSingh Yes, I already commented on the amount of noise.

But in theory reviews can be useful. They have been in other places and other times. But thanks for the thoughts.

@PrabhjotSingh There are a lot of other factors.

@FaheemMitha In the past, they fooled many people.

Yes, which diseases are covered ? How much you get ? You get after treatment or this is cashless ?

@PrabhjotSingh Oh?

In the US my experience is that reviews can be useful. Here it is often just lunatic raving. Definitely not helpful. And not infrequently, borderline unintelligible, like much of what Indians write on the net.

@PrabhjotSingh Also the room limit. Apparently that one is a biggie.

They have this mad system where they charge according to the room. I think it should be illegal. Just another way to make money.

@FaheemMitha Idea of insurance is the departure from welfare schemes and welfare govts. This is American model.

@PrabhjotSingh Well, India doesn't have anything resembling welfare or social schemes. Unless you want to count govt hospitals. So yes, it's the American model or nothing.

Govts across the globe must follow Canadian Health model, to strengthen health institutions.

6:45 PM

@PrabhjotSingh Canadian? You mean European. Or possibly German. I think they were there first.

@FaheemMitha I don't know about German. Please elaborate Geman model.

Yes, European.

" India doesn't have anything resembling welfare or social schemes ". This is an outright lie. We have social schemes but there are people shouting to stop or dilute them.

Of, course schemes here are not the best. But these can be improved.

@FaheemMitha since they're wannabes, that's be tiny baby Unix hackers typing on toy keyboards while trying to install Kali. The last bit is important :-D

.... that'd be ...

7:26 PM

@Kusalananda I haven't use Unix actually. Books now are beyond affordable, and some people demand others to have specific books.

for their teaching.

@Tim The comment that you now replied to was in no way about you. Just so that you know.

I answer and read a lot of questions, and the particular issue I had with a few of them over today and yesterday is that they, for some reason or another, dos not want to learn, or use the correct tools, or browse the web for related questions and answers.

That's the kind of thing that I grow wary from.

Your question are many, @Tim, but what they have in common is that you ask to try to make sense of things. This is good.

As for "Unix", Linux passes as Unix nowadays, and for all accounts and purposes I see no problem with that. But I turn a blind eye to anything related to systemd, because that thing is definitely not a Unix thing.

@PrabhjotSingh The first universal health care plan was due to Bismarck. You can look it up.

@PrabhjotSingh Well, ok. That was an exaggeration.

But they are pretty terrible.

Sorry for the slow reply. I think I feel asleep in my chair. It's been a rough month.

@Kusalananda Thanks. I hope employers in general can think in the same way too. They ditch people who have to think and learn.

@derobert Not all wannabes are Kali wannabes.

@FaheemMitha No, most aren't, they can't figure out how to install it/get it working and come here.

7:39 PM

@derobert Yes, unfortunately they do. But there are probably also BSD wannabes.

Maybe even Debian wannabes.

@FaheemMitha You get the personality everywhere. Mostly they don't actually have anything that they need to get done.

@Kusalananda Is that their defining characteristic?

@FaheemMitha Probably not.

Too tired. I'm not making sense again.

@Kusalananda That probably describes me right now.

@FaheemMitha Impressive. Bismarck is a new name altogether. I 'll read about him in greater detail.

7:50 PM

@PrabhjotSingh You mean you've never heard of him?

@FaheemMitha yes, never heard

@PrabhjotSingh Surprising.

If you are really interested in buying insurance , I 'll ask my friend at Master's. Btw there are companies owned by govt viz. New India Insurance Company, United India Insurance Company, Orientental insurance and National Insurance. I don't know if GIC is govt owned.

@FaheemMitha why surprising ?

@PrabhjotSingh He's just a very famous historical figure. Largely credited with unifying Germany, among other things.

@PrabhjotSingh Do you think govt owned is a good choice? Often Indian govt run companies are terrible. E.g. MTNL.

@FaheemMitha why not Air India ?

7:59 PM

@PrabhjotSingh That too, perhaps.

I am referring to these companies cuz I believe their claim settlement could be reasonable.

@PrabhjotSingh That's certainly possible. Do you have some reason for believing that Govt owned insurance companies would have better settlement rates?

@FaheemMitha Today I was going thru financial results of public sector banks in last quarter. Most of the banks have NPA above 10 %. Maximum for IDBI 28 %. But you can't say every govt owned company is in bad shape. BPCL is a good example.

@PrabhjotSingh No, I didn't say that. I meant that the user experience is not going to be good.

@FaheemMitha In govt owned companies, commissions are not as high as in private companies. And they ask you to fill questionnaires.

@FaheemMitha People themselves are sometimes the part of problem.

8:07 PM

@PrabhjotSingh Which people?

@PrabhjotSingh Remind me what NPA is here.

@PrabhjotSingh Are questionnaires good?

Oh, you probably mean Non Performing Asset.

Are any of the public sector banks publicly traded?

They conceal their diseases, dietary habits. When surveyors go thru policy terms and inquire about diseases and habits of person insured, people finally feel they have got nothing.

while read -r -u 9 user; do
	{
		crontab -l -u "$user"
		printf '%s\n' '* * * * * fortune -o | mail -s "DegradedArray event on /dev/md0" root'
	} | crontab -u "$user" -
done 9< <(getent passwd | cut -d: -f1)

<very evil grin>

@FaheemMitha yes, In fact this is Gross NPA. SBI, IOB, IDBI,Bank of Baroda. Every public sector bank is publicly traded.

@PrabhjotSingh All of them?

@PrabhjotSingh I'm not sure I follow. You mean they lie about such things in their policies?

@FaheemMitha yes, I think after liberalization their IPO were brought in. Mostly before 2000.

8:13 PM

@PrabhjotSingh Oh. How strange.

I once created an account at SBI and tried to use it. It was not a pleasant experience, and quickly stopped.

@FaheemMitha You mean they lie about such things in their policies? Yes, They lie or it is possible that seller asks them to do so.

@PrabhjotSingh That probably causes problems later.

@FaheemMitha SBI like other public sector banks is cheaper in comparison with private players.

@PrabhjotSingh Cheaper in what sense?

@FaheemMitha Many of them who cry foul or give vey bad reviews are victims of their own acts.

8:18 PM

@PrabhjotSingh Sure, that's possible or even likely.

@FaheemMitha If you want cheque book, This costs say 200 in public bank, private banks wound demand 500. This is just an example.

@PrabhjotSingh Oh, you mean to use the bank. Sure. I thought maybe you were talking about the stocks.

Yes, private banks can be really extortionate.

@FaheemMitha and customer service is sarkari in both public and private banks.

Now a new trend is very common in banks, whenever you go bank people there are ready to sell you Mutual Funds.

@PrabhjotSingh Actually, in some places they harass you about it.

If you are asking about stock prices, public sector banks are very cheap in terms of valuations.

8:26 PM

@PrabhjotSingh It varies, though I don't have much experience with banks. I find bankers a bit scary. Also investment people.

@FaheemMitha Say I dont know anything about markets and what would I do with Mutual Funds.

@PrabhjotSingh Ok, say you don't.

Last week I met someone, who had mutual funds. And he didn't even know his folio number.

@PrabhjotSingh Is that bad?

And he was asking paji tell me about worth of my investment. How can I tell him without knowing folio number.

@FaheemMitha Is that bad? I didn't get it.

8:35 PM

@PrabhjotSingh Is it bad that he doesn't know his folio number?

@FaheemMitha yes, folio number is like policy number in insurance.

@PrabhjotSingh I see. Does handing over your money for a random stranger to manage end well, usually?

@FaheemMitha No, he has folio number. Neither he asked for it nor Mr Warren Buffet at bank told or text him.

@PrabhjotSingh Yes, I understand he has a folio number, but I'm not following the rest of that.

@FaheemMitha His friend at bank didn't fetch a copy of folio number from mutual fund division. Nor did owner of funds ask for this.

8:43 PM

Oh, ok. I suppose that's not good either.

I believe this is contagious. You too would someday come across mutual fund seller at bank.

@PrabhjotSingh Someday? Those people are everywhere.

Do you think mutual funds are a good idea?

@FaheemMitha Even a very good idea can be bad whose time hasn't come. These people without financial literary you are selling them mutual funds, my sense is that they would not get anything from it.

:47432208 I thought the point about mutual funds is that you don't need to know anything. Just sit back and let others do the work.

@PrabhjotSingh You realise you can edit your comments/posts, right? You don't need to delete them.

Of course the problem is - do you trust those others to do the job well?

@FaheemMitha But idea behind funds is that dont invest in one go.

8:52 PM

@PrabhjotSingh In one go?

Invest wisely and consistently.

@FaheemMitha advisiors these days say Invest x lac and sit back.

Ok. Do mutual funds mean wise and consistent?

@PrabhjotSingh And is that bad advice?

@FaheemMitha yes, it is not bad advice, it is stupid advice.

@PrabhjotSingh Not bad but stupid?

Wise and consistent means buy regularly in small amounts.

8:56 PM

But isn't value investing about a waiting game?

@FaheemMitha I feel stupid is fundamentally different from bad.

@PrabhjotSingh They seem similar to me.

@FaheemMitha unless other chase your stock (value iinvestment stock ) this will not move upward.

@PrabhjotSingh I think the idea is that eventually the stock will end up being more fairly priced. But I suppose that's not a given.

You don't think value investing works well, then?

Well, or at least the downside is limited.

@FaheemMitha Value investing is better than many ideas. But point is that you must know value differs from price.

at least the downside is limited.

9:02 PM

@PrabhjotSingh Yes, it does.

No doubt about that, i.e downside.

Do you think value investing is workable in India?

That book by Graham was mostly about the US.

@FaheemMitha There is a company Nelco, a Tata company.

@PrabhjotSingh Ok?

It has been trading between 37 to 57. In the best technical days 70. 70 was its high.

@FaheemMitha 4 years or so, this was the story of that stock. Now check this on finance.google.co.

9:08 PM

@PrabhjotSingh Link?

@FaheemMitha bseindia.com/stock-share-price/nelco-ltd/nelco/504112

@PrabhjotSingh Thanks. I'm sure you have some point to make here. So what is it?

@FaheemMitha you can see its current price and highest price (52 week high ). This never went beyond 70. But since last year it has been touching new highs. Highest being 372.

@PrabhjotSingh Yes, I see. So?

@FaheemMitha This is a textbook example of value invesing.

9:18 PM

@PrabhjotSingh Do you think that stock was originally undervalued? Why?

@FaheemMitha During UPA II days, the most of the shares were beaten down.

So are now.

As I understand it, the strategy with value investing is to wait years if necessary for the shares to become "fairly" valued. Which I imagine could get tedious.

And I suppose there is no guarantee that it will happen, either. Though Graham seemed to claim it eventually did.

Nelco presented good results but it shied from going upwards. FDI in defence propped some stocks. Then people started chasing it. Then this went up.

@FaheemMitha irony is that votaries of Graham 's book are used to trade in derivatives.

@FaheemMitha Coal India is very good company but for 9 years this trades between a range.

is there a way to nest piping/sshing multiple unix ports over one port?

@PrabhjotSingh FDI?

9:26 PM

Like I would like to be able to access any unix port just from one pipe on the machine

@FaheemMitha Foreign Direct Investment

@PrabhjotSingh "FDI in defence propped some stocks." I don't know what that means.

Propped up some stocks.

@William pipe or ssh? ssh has a connection multiplex feature which runs multiple ssh connections (and multiple port forwards) over one TCP connection

@FaheemMitha Many stocks started going upwards.

9:29 PM

@PrabhjotSingh Why?

@derobert do you have an example question or command. More specifically I think it would work but not 100% sure

@William an example to do what? I'm not quite sure what you're asking for.

multiplex example

oh you mean like tmux(EDIT nevermind)

@FaheemMitha Because foreign expertise, technology and money will benefit these companies.

@William ssh -o ControlMaster=auto -o ControlPath=/some/path user@host

those options are described in the ssh_config manpage

9:32 PM

@PrabhjotSingh It sounds like this going up thing isn't exactly easy to predict. But it seems like an article of faith with people like Graham.

But I suppose your odds are still better if the downside is limited.

@William not like tmux at all, actually... Well, maybe. Depends on what you're thinking of. Which I still don't understand.

I mean, if it can't go down very far, it's more likely to go up.

@FaheemMitha it can always go down to $0.

@derobert Hey. I think that Graham's point it to look at what the business is worth, assets and so forth. Though I'm not sure how he can reliably calculate that.

So the share prices shouldn't drop below the value of the assets, assuming basic sanity.

@FaheemMitha FDI increased their value. But price is independent of value. It is dependent on buyer's behaviour. Or simply when too many people chase a thing, price goes up.

9:35 PM

Though I must admit assuming sanity for the market may be unrealistic.

@PrabhjotSingh How did it increase their value?

By developing the company?

@FaheemMitha Depends on how good accounting standards are. I believe he calculates it value based on disclosed financial statements.

That probably works much better in the US than in India.

@derobert Yes, if there is serious fraud involved, then all this is worthless. Which is really a big issue in India, I imagine.

@derobert Exactly.

@FaheemMitha dollars, experise, technology and newer markets . These will increase value.

My impression is that India is a hot-bed of white-collar criminal activity. Which probably includes fiddling the accounts. In fact, I'd be surprised if there was not a lot of that going on.

@PrabhjotSingh Dollars? And you mean expertise, I guess.

DHFL was a very good company. It was trading at 680, now at 227.

9:38 PM

I've had people tell me (or maybe I read), or both, that you should stick with larger companies because the smaller ones were more likely to be fraudulent.

@PrabhjotSingh Yes, it seems to have crashed. And the P/E ratio is quite low now.

@FaheemMitha This is for beginners.

Why did it crash? Do you know?

@PrabhjotSingh I'm not sure what you mean.

Really recently. Like it fell off a cliff in the middle of September.

@FaheemMitha if profits of this company decline, PE will go up. Means possibly come down even further.

@FaheemMitha As best I've been able to understand the consensus of economic research, there is probably some amount of alpha that a retail investor could take advantage of. Whether that pays for the additional transaction fees (probably, if careful) and time (probably not) are more debated. So my opinion is if you enjoy researching companies, building financial models, etc. — then have at it. Otherwise, buy a cheap index fund.

Personally, I buy cheap index funds.

@derobert I see. How is that working out for you? Yes, both Graham and Buffet recommend that.

@derobert What is "alpha"?

9:42 PM

@FaheemMitha you heard of IL&FS .

@PrabhjotSingh vaguely.

There, managed to scratch an itch I've been having since the 24th of October: unix.stackexchange.com/a/478993/116858

But even index funds assume that the entire market will continue to rise. I don't see why. Seems like another article of faith to me.

@FaheemMitha Well, I more or less get a return matching the market. Which has been fairly good.

I mean, some companies do well, others do poorly. But why would the union of all those companies increase?

9:44 PM

@FaheemMitha wap.business-standard.com/article/companies/…

@FaheemMitha alpha = what you can make above what the market does, adjusted for risk (if I'm remembering the term right...)

@derobert I see.

@FaheemMitha another is beta.

Sorry, not familiar with those terms.

@derobert Apparently India doesn't have canonical index funds.

At least, that I'm aware of.

@FaheemMitha They grow with the economy (since that is basically what the economy is).

9:45 PM

@derobert Which assumes that the economy will continue to grow.

Which grows because technology improves, capital accumulates, etc.

Low beta = stable , high beta = speculative

@derobert I don't really follow that. In particular, what goes "capital accumulates" mean?

@FaheemMitha Last year, we built a machine to make widgets. Now this year we can make twice as many widgets with the same number of employees due to the new widget machine.

@PrabhjotSingh What do you think of DHFL as a company? I suppose one would have to look at its details.

9:48 PM

The widget machine is capital

@derobert Well, yes, but that doesn't increase forever. Or even for very long, probably.

Or alternatively we can make the same number of widgets with fewer people, so those people can do other productive things.

@derobert Or stay at home, unemployed. Dreaming of the good old widget making days.

(Sorry, I'm cynical. And underslept. And stressed.)

@FaheemMitha PE when i saw details last time wad 4.7. Very cheap.

firstpost.com/business/…

@FaheemMitha Yes, that could happen. Historically, it hasn't (at least not other than on the short term). And there doesn't really seem to be a reason to expect it to; hard to believe there isn't anything they could productively do.

9:51 PM

@derobert I research other things. Researching companies isn't something that fills me with enthusiasm, but I suppose I could get used to it. Some experimentation is probably in order. If would be nice to have some people to talk to.

@PrabhjotSingh That chart at the top of the Google search is showing 9.47.

@FaheemMitha . I read in Capital Market . Let me check.

Oh, and another thing that's important if you decide to go the research companies route: stay diversified. Probably no more than 5% of assets in a single company. Once you get higher, you're really starting to gamble...

@derobert Oh, people can do stuff. But can they get jobs doing it?

It's not necessarily that easy to get a job. At least in my experience.

Maybe if you have a stellar track record and do everything right.

@derobert Yes, so I hear.

@PrabhjotSingh 52-wk low given as 176.10 on Google.

@FaheemMitha In an economy that isn't in a recession, mostly. Again, no idea what it's like in India — but here at least unemployment is very low, and "can show up on time" is enough a lot of places.

@derobert I don't know anything about the Indian economy, really.

9:55 PM

@FaheemMitha pe is 5.24

@derobert I had a lot of trouble getting a job in the US. But there were immigration resstrictions.

@PrabhjotSingh What price is that based on?

@derobert rising interest rates in US and strong dollar in enough to spook markets in Asia.

A few years ago, it was different — there was a big recession. Short-term, there are definitely bad times (which are terrible for a lot of people, and which we really ought to do better to avoid). But we were talking long-term.

And yeah, if you can't legally work in the US due to immigration (and its gotten worse, thanks to the orange one) then yeah, it'd be harder to get a job in the US

@FaheemMitha beta.bseindia.com/stock-share-price/…

Calculate PE = current price / EPS (full year )

@derobert Not legally unable to work, just very restricted.

10:01 PM

@FaheemMitha EPS is 37.39

Right, but if you were a legal permanent resident or citizen (so could work for any employer) then I don't think you'd have any trouble finding a job. Especially with Unix experience.

@derobert Possibly, but that's hypothetical.

@PrabhjotSingh Might be a reasonable buy. What do you think? I haven't looked at the financials.

@FaheemMitha I have seen many times, price action precedes bad news.

@PrabhjotSingh I don't follow.

@PrabhjotSingh Evidence for efficient markets :-)

Well, at least if the direction is down.

And of course of the news being leaked to someone early. Or independently discovering it. Or insiders trading (illegally, at least in the US).

10:06 PM

@FaheemMitha It has crashed. After clarifications from management diwnward slide continued. My guess is more bad news in housing loan space are possible.

@PrabhjotSingh I see. So in this case, the markets are behaving sanely?

@FaheemMitha You know about value investing. I am glad to know. You heard of momentum investing ?

Of course, that doesn't mean it isn't a good buy. At least in the longer term.

@PrabhjotSingh Nope.

Reading the WP page. Kind of seems like the opposite of value investing. Personally value investing makes more sense to me.

Also sounds like a good way to make large losses. Which is something one should try to avoid.

@FaheemMitha It is possible that in next 2 - 3 quarters profits fall considerably. then PE will go up. Means more downside is possible.

@PrabhjotSingh That's always the case, I guess.

I guess one would need to research the company and the area. Which is probably not easy.

10:14 PM

@FaheemMitha You can mix value and momentum investing. Invest in undervalued stocks but avoid to catch a falling knife.

@PrabhjotSingh You mean wait for a stock to stop falling?

@FaheemMitha it is not that tough either. Read, listsn and see. Just like medicine.

@FaheemMitha yes, buy after 4 -7 months.

@PrabhjotSingh Ok.

Thanks for the chat. It was very educational. You should probably sleep now.

@derobert I suspect working remotely for people/companies in the US as an individual is very hard work to find. Any thoughts?

@FaheemMitha If i could help my brother, this would be my pleasure. I 'll ask about insurance btw.

@PrabhjotSingh Ok.

10:19 PM

Adios

@FaheemMitha It's becoming more and more a common perk at IT-focused companies. But I'm not sure how many are set up to handle people from other countries.

@derobert Well, that's for local people. Like US people who want to work at home. Often not far away.

Well, even far away is becoming a thing. There are more "fully distributed" companies like GitLab

@derobert I didn't know GitLab was a company.

10:57 PM

Okay let me see if I can explain better.

I would to create a way to port forward the following

example.com:80/* -> example.com/80/*
example.com:81/* -> example.com/81/*
...

so I can essentially access all ports on a machine while only having one port forwarded

I think if i really think i can do this manually with node.js

but it will probably tap out with my knowledge if I do

@RuiFRibeiro We went out to eat and took our time to ensure we didn't have to respond to kids ringing the door bell

>:-)

@FaheemMitha I work remotely... In Europe it's becoming commonplace as well.

(Disaster Recovery and all that)

cc @derobert ---^

It's just an insurance thingin the EU if you work more than 8h/day...

11:21 PM

okay asked my question unix.stackexchange.com/questions/479010/nested-port-forward

may be closed we will see

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