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12:30 AM

Actually, I've always tended to program against the most recent version of C++ available.

I would be quite happy with a rule "Problems with Kali under WSL are likely to involve the underlying operating system and are more suitable on SuperUser", but that only really addresses proper usage of Kali, not the garbage questions

And the garbage questions are clearly on-topic.

terdon

Yeah. I don't see any good argument for making this off topic.

Well, other than "OH GODS PLEASE NO!"

And I don't think that one will wash.

Faheem Mitha

@terdon They could make that a close reason.

terdon

Hmm. I could too. It would just need to be approved by Michael or slm :P

cas

12:57 AM

We could just say something like "Kali isn't a general purpose unix system, it's an appliance for information security professionals - it's off-topic here. Questions about Kali belong on security.stackexchange.com/";. All true, and the valid/interesting questions about kali (i.e. the ones that aren't dupes of "why cant i install X / why wont anyone help me?") have nothing to do with unix/linux are about network testing and penetration.

terdon

@cas We have had the odd perfectly decent Kali question though.

Michael Homer

Most of the Kali-tagged questions aren't "about" Kali, anyway, they're about shell scripts or something generic. The tag is just to help people filter them out.

cas

1:30 AM

I should have ended that with "joking, but not entirely so".

user1404316

2:00 AM

Hi y'all. FYI. I just tried to access meta.unix..stackexchange.com, and firefox warned me that the site certificate was bad. After temporarily confirming a security exception, it transferred me to unix.meta.stackexchange.com. Is this the place to mention this kind of thing?

Michael Homer

2:45 AM

@user1404316 Because of how wildcard SSL certificates work the meta site addresses changed a while back, and also because of that there's no HTTPS support on the meta.unix domain. It's basically all the right behaviour, just unfortunate that it had to change

Kiwy

8:27 AM

Rise and Shine Unix chat

Kiwy

9:26 AM

@StephenKitt That's a lot of assumption considering the few information the OP gave :D

Stephen Kitt

@Kiwy call it the voice of experience

I’m pretty sure we’ve had these questions before

although apparently not from the same user

Kiwy

@StephenKitt Well I think that this is very unlikely to be solved but maybe the BIN ftp comment will help

Stephen Kitt

I always find it weird how people come along with a vendor-provided system and ask questions about it in a general venue, instead of asking the vendor

well, for some value of “weird”, I know there are contracts where vendors bill per question so...

and how does

4

Q: Broken packages in Linux Mint

When I run the apt-get upgrade command I get this error: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these. The following packages have unmet dependencies: libvlc5 : Depends: libvlccore9 (>...

get four upvotes? what research has the OP done?

Kusalananda

@Kiwy We will unlikely hear anything else from them. Just a hunch.

Jeff Schaller

1:16 PM

Stephen, thanks for catching the exception on that xdg-open question I tried to answer. I've already purged all 500+ gnome RPMs, but if you have any thoughts on a better solution, I'm game to refine the answer.

Stephen Kitt

@JeffSchaller I don’t think there is a better solution when using xdg-open — there simply isn’t a provision to wait. The same issue comes up when trying to use certain editors with sudoedit (ISTR answering a question about that here). I guess the real answer is to use emacsclient for everything ;-).

Jeff Schaller

I'm such a GUI caveman -- vi in an xterm is the fanciest I get. It seemed to help the OP, but I do enjoy solving a problem the best possible way.

I'm rather ... "impressed" that invoking gedit with a 2nd filename doesn't result in a process with that filename in it

surprised & confused might be better words

Stephen Kitt

@JeffSchaller well, it does, for a very short while

Jeff Schaller

I guess I wasn't paying enough attention to gedit; does it create a copied temporary file?

Stephen Kitt

just long enough for it to find the main process and say “hello, my good man, would you care to open this for me?”

Jeff Schaller

1:25 PM

ahhhhh

Stephen Kitt

@JeffSchaller no, no temporary file involved

Jeff Schaller

a little IPC action

Stephen Kitt

just D-Bus and co

yes

Jeff Schaller

ok; thank you!

Stephen Kitt

@JeffSchaller you’re very welcome

Jeff Schaller

1:26 PM

I don't think I'll climb that hill for this question; glad it helped the OP.

I tried not to @ you here, as it wasn't critical; I'm also a chat caveman!

Stephen Kitt

heh heh

Faheem Mitha

@StephenKitt Random weird question coming up. But first, you are British, right?

Stephen Kitt

@FaheemMitha yes

Faheem Mitha

@StephenKitt Ah. So, random weird question. Do people in the UK still remember the First World War?

I mean, not literally remember, of course.

Seeing as the number of people alive when WWI ended who are still alive is basically zero.

Kusalananda

@FaheemMitha I believe that's what they refer to when they talk about "The Great War".

Faheem Mitha

1:40 PM

@Kusalananda Who is "they"?

Stephen Kitt

@FaheemMitha yes, they do; every year there’s a big fuss over remembrance poppies

Kusalananda

It is my feeling that that is very much part of the UK cultural makeup.

Stephen Kitt

Remembrance poppy

The remembrance poppy is an artificial flower that has been used since 1921 to commemorate military personnel who have died in war, and represents a common or field poppy, Papaver rhoeas. Inspired by the World War I poem "In Flanders Fields", and promoted by Moina Michael, they were first adopted by the American Legion to commemorate American soldiers killed in that war (1914–1918). They were then adopted by military veterans' groups in parts of the British Empire. Today, they are mostly used in the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, to commemorate their servicemen and women killed...

Kusalananda

@FaheemMitha The British.

Faheem Mitha

@StephenKitt Never heard of those. But you learn something new every day.

Stephen Kitt

1:41 PM

the Great War is seen by many as a major turning point in history

Faheem Mitha

@Kusalananda Ah, ok.

Stephen Kitt

it marked the end of British supremacy

and the end of moral certainty

Faheem Mitha

@StephenKitt Moral certainty?

Kusalananda

"Follow your leaders because they are always right", I presume. But when millions die, it doesn't seem right any longer.

Stephen Kitt

@FaheemMitha bit of a philosophical digression, but basically, before WWI, people could aspire to do good, good people went to heaven, bad people went to hell, certain things were true, others false, certain things were good, others bad

WWI put paid to all that to a large extent

Faheem Mitha

1:43 PM

@StephenKitt Oh.

The sorts of things that "The Way of All Flesh" was attacking, then.

Though I suppose that won't mean much to anyone who hasn't read the book.

Stephen Kitt

@FaheemMitha it doesn’t have to do with that really, more the fact that people gave up on the idea of moral absolutes

Faheem Mitha

@StephenKitt Oh. Have you read "The Way of All Flesh" then?

Kusalananda

@FaheemMitha I wonder how one could live in the UK and not have heard of poppy appeals?

Faheem Mitha

@Kusalananda I only lived in the UK briefly, and that was quite a while back.

Kusalananda

@FaheemMitha Fair enough.

Stephen Kitt

1:47 PM

@FaheemMitha I haven’t read it, no, but I’m aware of it (and should read it, I guess; I see it’s on Project Gutenberg)

Faheem Mitha

If you are referring to me, that is.

@StephenKitt Yes, it's out of copyright internationally, I think. Was published posthumously in 1903.

The poppy thing does ring some kind of faint bell, but I certainly would not have made any such association on my own.

@StephenKitt It's a pretty interesting book. Was a big deal back in its day, but now is almost forgotten, I think. I read it first as a child. Really related to it. I found it less interesting to read as an adult.

It's very strong on diagnosing the disease, so to speak. Less so as regards constructive action/improvements.

@StephenKitt If you have a Kindle, I suppose you could put it on that. I don't have an ebook reader myself.

Well, dinner time. Later, folks.

derobert

6:55 PM

unix.stackexchange.com/questions/428579/… @SatōKatsura @Christopher @JeffSchaller @maulinglawns I can't comment on the question now that it's locked, so here will have to suffice... but three of you (can't tell which) voted to migrate that to SO. Please do not vote to migrate bad questions. In this case, clearly bad due to complete lack of code formatting and replacing < > with other characters...

No idea how many of those folks will get that ping, but shrug. No better way to contact them, AFAIK.

terdon

@derobert First of all, thanks. I second that.

But you should be able to comment on the post, why not?

derobert

@terdon It's locked because it was migrated out

terdon

Really? I saw a "post comment" link. Maybe because I'm a mod?

derobert

Yep. You can probably comment on locked posts.

terdon

Seriously though, come on! How hard it is to edit?

derobert

7:01 PM

terdon

@derobert Fair enough.

derobert

I was hoping 3-2 wouldn't actually migrate. I should have commented before voting to close, apparently...

terdon

And OK, a bit harder than I thought. I thought it was only code formatting, hadn't noticed the [tag] -> <tag> need.

derobert

Right. Editing it, then voting to migrate would be best. Just voting to close and leaving a comment telling op how to post on SO (and how to use the code format button) would be fine too.

terdon

Even edited it would fall afoul of #rule1.

It really isn't a very good question.

derobert

7:04 PM

It isn't, but I'm not going to call anyone here out on that. You have to know at least some PHP to know that, which isn't expected here.

OTOH, you don't have to know anything to look at that and see its an unreadable mess!

terdon

yep

derobert

So far, it's picked up a few comments, an answer, and no close votes on SO. I'm sure that's due to the edit I gave it. No idea how it'll fare after a while...

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Q: How do I save a php form after submitting through my html page?

I have made an html page with forms and tables where I input words and numbers and have submit button. Once I click the submit button it outputs the right information that I inputed into a php file BUT it does not save, have do I save it is my question? Here is part of my html code where I input ...

php html

terdon

Nicely done on the edit though!

derobert

@terdon I guess you could comment on the migrated-out question, at least if you can tell which three voted to migrate. I don't think you can comment-ping multiple people at once, though. Or at least non-mods can't.

terdon

@SatoKatsura @Christopher @JeffSchaller @maulinglawns as @derobert pointed out above, 3 of you voted to migrate this question to SO. Please don't migrate questions with such obvious issues. That one was an unreadable mess. Other sites don't appreciate it when we dump our crap on them.

derobert

7:13 PM

Ah... was that one of those mod super-pings?

terdon

yep

Christopher

7:32 PM

lol - ok makes sense... the unformatted text was added after vote though

nope... was posted that way originally... sorry... and will do

Jeff Schaller

@terdon I was afraid that would happen; there were 2 votes to SO when I VTC'd as unclear.

I'll have to tweak my close-vote workflow screen to catch that scenario

terdon

7:57 PM

@Christopher Thanks :)

@JeffSchaller heh :)

Michael Homer

8:44 PM

@JeffSchaller Doesn't your meta post workflow already say to leave open in that scenario?

No, it says "It is on-topic at U&L, but vote to leave open; otherwise, the question could get incorrectly migrated to SO (since there are other votes to migrate)." which doesn't apply

I suppose the only working workflow is "vote to leave open, comment as such, come back in a few days when the existing votes aged away, vote to close", which is obviously stupid.

Jeff Schaller

9:40 PM

@MichaelHomer or if the number of migration votes is below N, VTC unclear and comment to that effect; if above N, ... I’m out of caffeine. Basically elaborating the in-between scenario

terdon

10:32 PM

This doesn't happen very often, so you can also just flag for mod attention and let us know what's going on.

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