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Faheem Mitha

00:24

Fortunately figured out my problem. The cable modem and the wireless router both were using 192.168.1.1. Which was apparently enough to stop the wireless router from working.

It would be nice if one of those devices was intelligent to pop up a warning or something.

Faheem Mitha

08:59

I just the following message when running e2fsck on a filesystem.

root@orwell:/mnt# e2fsck -f /dev/mapper/debian-root
e2fsck 1.43.4 (31-Jan-2017)
Pass 1: Checking inodes, blocks, and sizes
Inode 2123010 extent tree (at level 2) could be narrower.  Fix<y>?

Does anyone know what this "could be narrower" message means? Google hits produce some hits but no explanation.

I said yes to that - the whole message wound up being:

root@orwell:/mnt# e2fsck -f /dev/mapper/debian-root
e2fsck 1.43.4 (31-Jan-2017)
Pass 1: Checking inodes, blocks, and sizes
Inode 2123010 extent tree (at level 2) could be narrower.  Fix<y>? yes
Pass 1E: Optimizing extent trees
Pass 2: Checking directory structure
Pass 3: Checking directory connectivity
Pass 4: Checking reference counts
Pass 5: Checking group summary information

/dev/mapper/debian-root: ***** FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED *****
/dev/mapper/debian-root: 731057/3055616 files (0.6% non-contiguous), 10193250/12206080 blocks

But really, it would be great if I didn't have to answer yes or no to a question I don't understand.

Pandya

10:39

@terdon I'm thinking to propose a site on Area51 about Free Digital Society (based on GNU & FSF Philosophy) where people can question answer regarding freedom in computing and net and so many other philosophical concepts of FSF like surveillance, security, privacy, software freedom, resources for free software, free software in education, hardware that are compatible with free software, tldr; FSF campaign and much more relevant things. How about it?

terdon

11:20

@Pandya Isn't much of that already covered by Open Source?

Kusalananda

16:17

"I want to do this with one bash command", "I want to do that in one command", "please give me a one-liner for doing this thing". Urrgh

terdon

@Kusalananda Heh; bear in mind that most people who ask for that consider foo | bar | baz to be one command.

Kusalananda

@terdon Yes, and that's technically correct too in a way.

It's just that that sort of question (or way of posing a question, rather) is indicative of wanting a "quick and dirty one-off solution".

Jeff Schaller

@Kusalananda bash and unix are just too powerful -- people assume they can do anything

one of my mini-crusades is adjusting people's "how do I (X) in bash" questions to focus it on scripting or command-line

just because it's your shell doesn't mean it's your everything

Kusalananda

It just puts me off from writing answers that someone might learn something from. "yes yes, just give it to me already!"

Jeff Schaller

you're under no obligation to answer; and if it bothers you enough, I say downvote

Kusalananda

16:23

Yes. True dat.

Jeff Schaller

or, write the answer you want to write, although that may risk downvotes since it "doesn't answer the (ill-advised) question"

Kusalananda

@JeffSchaller Mind if I join your crusade? :-)

Jeff Schaller

Tim's meta Q really got me thinking about my "purpose" on the site; also, reading what this site went through in beta where it needed a certain number of votes per day/week. I think we should signal good & bad questions with voting.

@Kusalananda enough pitchforks for everyone!

I mean, editing tools & goodwill! (mental note, the chat room knows our plans)

really oblique Simpsons reference:
Homer: Lisa, the mob is working on getting your saxophone back. But we've also expanded into other important areas. Literacy programs, preserving our beloved covered bridges, world domination --
Lisa: World domination?
Homer: Oh heh, that might be a typo. [Mental note: the girl knows too much]

Kusalananda

Remind me about Tim's Meta question? That's the one about downvotes or reviewing or something?

Ah, "Abusers of closing votes".

Jeff Schaller

yes

I vote up, and I vote down (and I leave a lot alone)

75% up, as of the last data dump - data.stackexchange.com/unix/query/473799/vanity-top-200-voters

Kusalananda

16:30

Hmm... I don't vote enough on questions. And I rarely downvote answers... Maybe I should change that.

6% downvotes from me.

Jeff Schaller

wow; I thought I voted on more Q's than A's, but the data says otherwise -- 3k on Qs, 4k on A's

I was going to say, I think Q-votes are more important, as it's a signal to future askers what kind of Q's we like here.

tying back to Tim's metaQ, it's the participants (e.g. answerers) here that provide the real value, so "we" (I'm not a mega-answerer) should signal those with votes. That's my 2 cents, anyway.

Wow, I was going to shut up, but there's only been 112 users on the site who have earned the electorate badge -- unix.stackexchange.com/help/badges/28/electorate

terdon

@JeffSchaller That's not negligible. Remember that the vast majority of users are not really active.

We only have 584at >=2K rep, for example.

Jeff Schaller

16:46

It's just a little mind-boggling to think of so few people setting the direction/tone of a site. With ~200k registered users (estimated), that's 0.055 percent

I'm still not used to this place :)

terdon

@JeffSchaller Yeah, but most are drive by users, really. The regulars are relatively few.

Kusalananda

@terdon But they are a nice bunch of people, if I may say so. It's one of the reasons I'm sticking around.

terdon

17:09

That they are.

Jeff Schaller

@Kusalananda your answer got me curious; a furious bit of googling got me as far as some random person's copy of hosts.txt purporting to be from March of 1985, containing 1680 lines, ~1325 of which are HOST entries.

Kusalananda

17:29

@JeffSchaller :-) Some of those IP addresses are still in use. Probably reallocated.

Jeff Schaller

18.20.27.17 lost its bugs-bunny name

creativity never dies -- grep BLUE hosts.txt

Kusalananda

17:45

This cracks me up: 4 consecutive hosts, "BUN", "FUN", "NUN", "RUN"...

Jeff Schaller

GODEL, ESCHER, and BACH make an appearance

Kusalananda

I'm starting to make "funny" comments. Time to do something else, or go to bed.

Kusalananda

19:55

How do I search for words containing things like + on the site?

Tried flex++ but find only flex.

Stéphane Chazelas

try code:flex++

Kusalananda

Same with "flex++" and flex\+\+.

@StéphaneChazelas Nothing. I'm pretty sure there was an old question...

LandonZeKepitelOfGreytBritn

Hello everyone

Kusalananda

Was going t see if I answered.

@LandonZeKepitelOfGreytBritn Hi there

Stéphane Chazelas

Yes, I find the SE search is useless. I download all my articles as text to be able to search for it with grep

Kusalananda

19:58

@StéphaneChazelas :-)

Stéphane Chazelas

Or sometimes use google searches with site:unix.stackexchange.com search terms

LandonZeKepitelOfGreytBritn

I am trying to install teamviewer on my machine using sudo dpkg -i teamviewer_12.0.76279_i386.deb , but when I try to run it via terminal

I get:

And it just freezes there

$ teamviewer

Init...
CheckCPU: SSE2 support: yes
XRandRWait: No value set. Using default.
XRandRWait: Started by user.
Checking setup...
Launching TeamViewer ...
Starting network process (no daemon)
terminate called without an active exception
/opt/teamviewer/tv_bin/script/tvw_exec: line 40: 20613 Aborted                 (core dumped) "$TV_BIN_DIR/teamviewerd" -n -f
Network process already started (or error)
Launching TeamViewer GUI ...

any idea's?

Kusalananda

@StéphaneChazelas Thanks for the hint. Found it: unix.stackexchange.com/questions/362437/bison-command-not-found

LandonZeKepitelOfGreytBritn

I can see there is something wrong because of this:

This is when I hover over the icon in my linux bar (no idea how that bar is called...)

Jeff Schaller

@LandonZeKepitelOfGreytBritn looks a lot like: unix.stackexchange.com/q/358132/117549 to me

LandonZeKepitelOfGreytBritn

20:08

@JeffSchaller exactly

you got a black belt in google-fu I see...

Jeff Schaller

it's not always my first instinct, but there's often a similar question -- it's worth searching!

LandonZeKepitelOfGreytBritn

issue is unchanged

$ sudo dpkg -i teamviewer_12.0.76279_i386.deb
Selecting previously unselected package teamviewer:i386.
(Reading database ... 357948 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack teamviewer_12.0.76279_i386.deb ...
Unpacking teamviewer:i386 (12.0.76279) ...
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of teamviewer:i386:
 teamviewer:i386 depends on libexpat1.
 teamviewer:i386 depends on libfontconfig1.
 teamviewer:i386 depends on libfreetype6.
 teamviewer:i386 depends on libjpeg62.

I then try

$ sudo apt-get -f install
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Correcting dependencies... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
  cmake-data git-man liberror-perl libjsoncpp1 linux-headers-4.10.0-28 linux-headers-4.10.0-28-generic linux-headers-4.8.0-36
  linux-headers-4.8.0-36-generic linux-image-4.10.0-28-generic linux-image-4.8.0-36-generic linux-image-extra-4.10.0-28-generic
  linux-image-extra-4.8.0-36-generic

and try to reinstall the deb package, but get exactly the same errors

@JeffSchaller does this ring a bell?

Faheem Mitha

20:33

@LandonZeKepitelOfGreytBritn Ask a question on the site, please.

LandonZeKepitelOfGreytBritn

@FaheemMitha you hungry for reputation

Kusalananda

@LandonZeKepitelOfGreytBritn It's just that the main site is for questions. Here, you might get advice or hints about formulations if someone is up for it, or a social chat if nothing else is happening, but the real stuff happen on the main site.

LandonZeKepitelOfGreytBritn

So far I m clueless

I ll just restart my entire system

and pray to be able to log in again on my machine

@Kusalananda I don't know how to stop this:

Hopefully you concur with me that it would be totally ridiculous to ask a question on the main site just for this...

I cliked on my .deb package, this opened the software center. I clicked on install in the software center. Nothing happened, so I decided to close the software center and now I am left with this

Kusalananda

20:51

@LandonZeKepitelOfGreytBritn I'm assuming you have tried to follow this: community.teamviewer.com/t5/Knowledge-Base/…

LandonZeKepitelOfGreytBritn

@Kusalananda I also tried this

without any success: see all posts above

strange...

Kusalananda

@LandonZeKepitelOfGreytBritn I see no teamviewer setup there, but you may have done that already?

LandonZeKepitelOfGreytBritn

@Kusalananda before doing teamviewer setup you need to install the software according to the steps they describe

well you have to "start the installation"

so I did:

$ sudo dpkg -i teamviewer_12.0.76279_i386.deb
[sudo] password for yalishanda:
Selecting previously unselected package teamviewer:i386.
(Reading database ... 357948 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack teamviewer_12.0.76279_i386.deb ...
Unpacking teamviewer:i386 (12.0.76279) ...
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of teamviewer:i386:
 teamviewer:i386 depends on libexpat1.
 teamviewer:i386 depends on libfontconfig1.
 teamviewer:i386 depends on libfreetype6.
 teamviewer:i386 depends on libjpeg62.

Kusalananda

Yes, and in your first post up there, you run teamviewer (but get errors), which I presume means you have done the installation.

LandonZeKepitelOfGreytBritn

lots of dependencies I can't install

@Kusalananda yes in the meantime I already did

sudo dpkg --purge teamviewer

to try to reinstall differently

I tried to fix the dependencies:

$ sudo apt-get -f install
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Correcting dependencies... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
  cmake-data git-man liberror-perl libjsoncpp1 linux-headers-4.10.0-28 linux-headers-4.10.0-28-generic linux-headers-4.8.0-36
  linux-headers-4.8.0-36-generic linux-image-4.10.0-28-generic linux-image-4.8.0-36-generic linux-image-extra-4.10.0-28-generic
  linux-image-extra-4.8.0-36-generic

I then try to install the deb pkg again, but I get exactly the same output again

so this all makes no sense to me

Kusalananda

21:03

Having no access to a Linux system ATM, and not even knowing what TeamViewer is, I thikn I'll leave this for the moment.

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