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@derobert - not sure if you saw this
You can see a bit of the app being built here
 
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@derobert and this is why you don't use Nvidia proprietary drivers. or proprietary drivers in general. or Nvidia.
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@MountainX That's off-topic on Information Security. It's a programming question, it belongs on Stack Overflow. Your original Unix & Linux question could have fit on Information Security or Cryptography, but not that one. — Gilles Jan 13 at 1:02
didn't know there was a crypto.SE. am I the only one who fails to see why that's a thing when we have security.SE?
 
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@strugee Yep. I assume you've seen my later messages about buying more Intel hardware. Heck, I hope Intel has too :-P
07:55
@strugee They're different fields. IT security folks generally couldn't design a cipher (well, at least not a secure one). Cryptographers (who are often mathematicians) probably couldn't configure an enterprise firewall (at least not correctly).
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Does Intel make standalone graphics cards, or only integrated cards?
 
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This Q is a dup, I voted then retracted if others could please close it I'd appreciate it.
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Q: How to highlight some text on a man page?

Question OverflowI find the manuals very difficult to read using the terminal. Is there a way to highlight specific text on the terminal? I tried piping to gedit using man man | gedit, but it opens a blank file instead. Perhaps there's some way to find text within a man page and have it highlighted?

dup:
http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/96095/reading-and-searching-long-man-pages/
@slm not sure if we should vote as duplicate something specific for something more broader...
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@Braiam - via meta: "...Now, notice that this is subtly different from saying "If that other question isn't asking the exact same thing as yours..." That's because the proof is in the answers. If the question looks the same, but the answers aren't solving the asker's problem, that is not a dupe – that is a legitimate new question. Neither the person asking nor the person who lands from Google cares if the question has been asked before: they care if it has been answered...."
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Q: Changes to "close as duplicate" (part deux)

David FullertonI feel like we got off on the wrong foot. Due to me being an idiot miscommunication, a partial change snuck out early, and even though we announced it we didn't really explain why we made the change. So let me just start over... We've made some changes to Close as Duplicate. First, some back...

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Hello, does anyone know of a way to see the structure of your network, like what's connected to what, what is accessing what cloud resources, etc...?
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search our site
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Q: Discover clients connected to a network

juanroHow can you discover who is connected to a wifi network near you? (you not being connected to it). I know that some tools can scan your own network, and that some tools like Wireshark can monitor packages (and you can see the MAC addresses of these packages). But what I want to find is a tool t...

You can use the tool fing (you'll have to install it) to see all the clients on the network. It won't show structure, just connectivity.
To see what's accessing what you need to use a monitoring tool to collect this data on the host that it's passing through. For example if you have a router/switch that is acting as a NAT for your entire network, you need to collect the data there or periodically collect it from that host and store it somewhere else.
 
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Q: Could Autorun Virus, affect my PC via Wine?

DewI have installed wine and i am afraid that viruses will affect my PC now. I will not open any other .exe file other than mine one (which i use everyday)

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I just came across this old question of mine. I forget the details, but it seems I did not consider it a duplicate, though it was closed as such.
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Q: Adding a line to the beginning of a file

Faheem Mitha Possible Duplicate: Inserting text at the beginning of a file with sed via the terminal in Linux I need to add a line to the beginning of a file. The line in question is \def\submit{} I've got a semi-working solution using sed. I don't know sed, but got it from somewhere on the net,...

Can anyone comment as to whether this is really a duplicate?
18:04
@derobert yeah, I did
and I'll buy your explanation of the difference, thanks
@Dew don't spam people in chat. if you think you'll have a better chance on U&L, flag for migration. when you simply post questions in chat it makes us want to help you less, not more
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@strugee i am just attain some attention to my question and nothing else
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@Dew I understand that. we don't like it when people do this.
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@strugee okay
 
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20:14
@slm You know things like sed better than me. Do you think unix.stackexchange.com/q/21192/4671 is a dupe?
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@FaheemMitha Seems like it, plus it was the moderator that marked it as a dup.
@slm But the dupe question didn't give me an answer. Is it regardless (in your opinion) equivalent in some sense? I don't know sed. And moderators can be wrong. :-)
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@Dew - if you post Q's here I'll make sure to ignore them, esp. if you continuously do it! Also you asked your new SU Q a while back here and it was marked as a dup. I left a comment on your SU Q about this. What do you want with this Q? HINT BE MORE SPECIFIC!!!! YOUR Q IS VAGUE AND MAKES FOR A DISCUSSION, NOT ROOTED IN FACTS OR DATA!!!!
@FaheemMitha - maybe let's tear your Q down more then. What exactly did you want that wasn't addressed in the dup? The title of the dup and the A's seem to be what it sounds like you want: "...Inserting text at the beginning of a file with sed via the terminal in Linux..."
@slm Yes, the title of the other question is the correct topic, but didn't contain my answer. I'd prefer to have it reopened so I can add my answer - currently at the end fo the question.
I actually don't understand why the working solution worked.
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20:37
@FaheemMitha - I voted to reopen it. We'll have to ask around here to get others to do so as well. I reopened mainly b/c you had a working solution that you wanted to post and it wasn't available on the other Q nor would it have made sense to add it to that one.
@slm Right. Actually, both questions are examples of a more general question which it probably impossible to answer in general. Can you explain why my answer works, though? Just curious.
I voted too. How many votes are needed?
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@slm That's a lot
@slm I think there are border case scenarios where the "general solution" don't apply to some question.
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3 more
Might be tough on a Sunday. I think the votes last for 48 hrs. then expire
@Braiam - can you vote to reopen?
20:48
where?
here? in UL, still can't :(
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Under the Q is a reopen link
yeah here.
nope, I can't, 478 more rep to go ;)
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might want to ping deroberts, strugee and terdon, they're often around on weekends.
@slm Ok.
@derobert Can you vote to reopen? unix.stackexchange.com/q/21192/4671
@strugee ditto
@terdon ditto
@FaheemMitha I recommend you a single ping for them all... is more effective ;)
20:51
@Braiam Didn't know that was an option
they can read in their messages what is the ping about
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@Braiam - we'll get you up to 3k this week. I'll go around and bump you up
@slm If you do that too fast, i think there is a bot that will dial it back down.
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you're here all the time anyway 8-)
I know
that's why I said this week.
I had 3k on SO for 1 day, a couple weeks ago, now i'm stuck at 2945
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if you're bored
it isn't like I don't have the Q&A's there, just low visibility
It's hard to get rep on SO, I find.
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20:53
@FaheemMitha - I'll mix him in when I have extra votes and no where to go with them, I generally like to exhaust my votes every day
yeah
I have a narrow niche there of Linux, Apache, Perl, and Ruby
Also, answering programming questions is hard work, so I don't do too much of that.
If there are easy, there is lots of competition.
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That's the prob. there, lots of eyeballs
@slm Only for certain things.
Sufficiently obscure questions don't get answers.
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@FaheemMitha - yeah that's the issue w/ my stuff
@Braiam - you're at 2622 now
we'll chip away
It was hard to find A's you had that I hadn't already UV'd
I just upvoted the umask question
and answer
@slm you didn't upvote the umask question. it was at 0
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21:04
where's that one?
I sorted his A's by most votes and then voted
you got a badge for one of my votes too, nice A badge I think
10 votes
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Q: How umask is calculated in Linux?

BraiamSo I know umask can restrict privileged users, using this format umask ugo. I understand that the read = 4, write = 2, and exec = 1. However, when I type umask, it returns 4 digits which is 0022 or 0073. I have no understanding of how does this work now because there is an extra digit. What is t...

I was looking at questions/answers with low votes
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I vote for the A's 1st since it's 10 the Q is only 5
Maybe I'll stop there. I'm not sure how much the bot will tolerate
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Yeah I'd lay off now. The votes still count but the rep they carry get's wiped out. So you can't revote on those Q's since you already did.
hehehe, I got serial downvoted in AU D:
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21:14
just now?
or before?
half an hour, give or take...
that will be reversed :P
@slm I don't have voting privileges yet. <200 to go but...
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yup
@strugee - I'll add you to the list 8-)
that's easier than braiams
@strugee Bummer.
yeah, 200 was an exaggeration
more like less than 120
more like less than 120
21:22
@strugee Your answer in unix.stackexchange.com/a/107363/4671 is not strictly accurate
> If you can find a copy of the original Minix book with source code, you can type it in from the book. Compile it, and then use a different decompiler on a different system to verify that the compiler generates the expected machine language binary output.
who in the world will do that?
(when you have already compiled Linux)
@strugee Ok, have an upvote for unix.stackexchange.com/a/107768/4671
Does Windows really execute files based on the extension?
If so, barmy
> If you are really paranoid, print source code listings and type them in by hand
@FaheemMitha yeah...
@FaheemMitha yes
augh, I want to delete my duplicate chat message but I can't. too long ago
@FaheemMitha yeah, OP said something different worked for him. feel free to edit it
I wish there was better wifi here. I keep retrying messages that timed out but then it turns out they actually went through
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@strugee - that guy can be a jerk, just a heads up!
This kind of crap is what he pulled with me: "why do you not recommend changing the program version? I changed it yesterday to 1.5.5 and it worked.. and I've changed it from the changelog file.. so what about this debian/control file that you are talking about??"
We aren't mind readers, I deleted my A to his Q and we voted to close it, it was a weak Q anyway and I was being nice, he came back and was giving me hell for not suggesting that he use find to find a file on disk or some garbage.
apparently our avatars say we're mind readers, I must be blind, cuz I didn't see it on mine 8-)
21:33
@slm oh yeah, I seem to remember you talking about him. he seemed fine, but maybe I was wrong
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"I guess you are wrong about the control file.. it has no version numbers or anything.. I'm just gonna try the changelog file since most of articles out there say that its first line is what determines the package release and version numbers and I guess they are right because I've tried it once and it worked. So I guess it's better to delete that part in your answer.. Ciao! "
He comes across as a know-it-all but is the one asking the Q's and then pulling that tone with us when we provide him with our understanding of it. I'd avoid him, he bites
@strugee Specifically the rules about how apt prefers stuff.
You didn't mention the preferences file at all
And there are other ways of setting preferences besides the preferences file.
I actually don't know the rules 100% myself.
That means if you download a Win .exe file off the net, and don't change the name, it is executable when it hits your disk? Augh.
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Another example: "@Totor I figured out that too late. I mean people here can be very misleading. It should have been obvious to them that both have same version. so it was like I did nothing.. Regarding security, my site is just a personal blog, and i guess nginx security holes are way complicated for an ordinary hacker to exploit. so i'll have enough time for that.."
" I accepted your answer as because at least you were the most helpful and concise but I urge you to at least put an example of pinning this particular package since your link is very useless at pointing that out. Looking forward to your edit. Thanks – Dr.SMS""
I would not engage him unless you're in the mood to get criticized for trying to assist. You've been warned.
@strugee ^^^^^^^
@strugee also don't understand the difference between your 2 and 3.
both 2 and 3 essentially say to "prefer highest program version".
Yeah, the SMS guy seems like a bit of an ass.
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Jason's timeless blog post: jasonwryan.com/blog/2012/03/17/vampires
A Taxonomy of Help Vampires
21:49
@FaheemMitha yes
In general most people on these help forums are less appreciative than one would like. For example, most people don't say thanks, even when accepting an answer.
@strugee That just sounds like a really bad idea.
@FaheemMitha yes, it is
as is almost everything else in Windows
@strugee Amen to that
or perhaps I should simply say
Word!
@slm thanks, I'll keep that in mind
To show that I am "hip" and "with-it".
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21:51
@strugee - helps to keep your sanity
But certainly having people insult you as a reward for helping them is worse.
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@FaheemMitha - yeah I don't care if there isn't a thank you but the backhanded comments are unnecessary, ppl here are learning and trying to help too. Plus no one is getting paid to be here, it's voluntary.
> i guess nginx security holes are way complicated for an ordinary hacker to exploit
he has the slightless idea what he's talking about?
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@slm All true. Though personally I like to be thanked. Rarely happens, though.
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21:56
@FaheemMitha - it's nice when you get them. I try to thank the OP's for their Q's all the time too.
@FaheemMitha just 3, the preference file (this is the most fine of them all), the default release in the apt.conf, and the order in the sources.list
@slm You mean when you are answering them? :-)
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in the comments
@Braiam sources.list does not affect preference.
@FaheemMitha it does when both have the same version ;)
21:57
I think that the remote server can set a default preference. maybe that's the default release thing you are talking about.
@FaheemMitha oh, I thought you were referring to Office
@Braiam By preferences, I mean that number that you see in apt-cache policy
ahh... in that case only preferences and the server side only those two...
@strugee Hmm? Don't follow.
@Braiam Yes, I guess only those two as well.
though the preferences file might include a preferences.d directory
Yes, there is one. Rarely used though.
@FaheemMitha I like to get thanked too, but I don't do it myself on the assumption that it violates the "too chatty" rule
accepts are usually enough
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@strugee You should (I think). There is a too-chatty rule?
@FaheemMitha MS Office. Word, Excel, PowerPoint...
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@Seiyria - you're quite welcome. Thanks for the Q and hope to see you on our site in the future. Good luck with your foray into Linux! — slm Jan 14 at 18:33
Thank you for the in-depth example. I learned a bit more about linux today! — Seiyria Jan 14 at 18:29
@FaheemMitha it's a deletion reason for comments. it's the same reason we remove "thanks" from questions
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@FaheemMitha - @strugee is correct but it's still nice. I'm more relaxed when it's the OP, if it's others then I would tend to agree w/ strugee
@strugee Stupid reason for deletion, imo. Regardles, if the person it is addressed to sees it, it served its purpose.
And yes, I was thinking of the OP
22:06
@slm that's a good distinction, I think I'll start using it
you need more reputation to comment than to upvote, I think it was for a reason ;)
btw @strugee about this comment I hope Debian decides before next release ;)
heh, yeah. I really hope they go with systemd
heh, yeah. I really hope they go with systemd
the discussion started to conclude about a month ago, IIRC, but I haven't had time to read the mailing list thread
There seems to be a lot of partisanship there
the Ubuntu people are backing Upstart
Russ came out in favor of systemd, but i think he is the only one so far
the only one?
it really bugs me that the Canonical guys are allowed to participate in that discussion, since they're so obviously biased
@strugee there was a fair amount of discussion about this, and there was a sort-of concensus that the CTTE members could be trusted to rise above such things. :-)
But I don't think humans are so lofty in practice. People like to think they are, perhaps.
Do you guys think systemd is better than upstart?
I've corresponded with Russ a bit, and by reputation he is one of the sanest people on the planet, as well as being pretty nice, so I'd tend to trust his opinion.
Some people thought Ian Jackson's post was rubbish, but I could not really judge.
I don't know a thing about init systems.
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I've used both only cursory and systemd is better IMO
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though I might be considered biased since I used RH distros
As long as you don't work for them.. :-)
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but the tooling stinks in upstart, the tooling in systemd stinks but not as much
i don't
@slm Ok. Not sure what you mean by tooling.
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the command line tools to interact with it
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A: How to "close" open ports?

slmDetermine you exposure Taking your output from the netstat command, what looks like a lot of services is actually a very short list: $ netstat -lntup | awk '{print $6 $7}'|sed 's/LISTEN//'| cut -d"/" -f2|sort|uniq|grep -v Foreign avahi-daemon:r dhclient dropbox nmbd rpcbind rpc.statd smbd sshd ...

When researching this Q there were basic things that you couldn't do around getting the status of services in upstart that seemed ridiculous that they weren't avail.
I have to step out guys, chat later!
@FaheemMitha I like systemd personally, but I haven't played with Upstart a lot.
@slm Ok, I see.
@slm This sentence is a bit obscure.
"Also some services such as Apache provide mechanisms within themselves to spin up more or less of their own listeners managing themselves."
mostly I like systemd because it's so simple to write services. I haven't yet gotten the hang of robustly parsing arguments in bash scripts yet, so systemd service files are much easier to read and modify than Upstart scripts
@strugee systemd doesn't use shell then?
@FaheemMitha nope.
that's part of the reason why systemd initialization is so fast: no spinning up a new shell process for every single service that gets initialized
22:40
@strugee May be better then. I'm not a shell fan. I suppose upstart uses shell?
wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd provides some nice examples, IIRC.
@strugee Thanks
@FaheemMitha yes, Upstart uses shell scripts with a special header.
systemd provides nice transitions for distros with older init systems, since it can use older init scripts
Canonical aren't terribly good team players, either.
e.g. if you don't have a single native systemd service file on your system, systemd will find all the shell scripts that you had for initialization and use them. if those scripts have Upstart or LSB headers, systemd will use that info as best it can. it's very clever
22:44
@strugee Sounds like it.
@FaheemMitha I feel the exact same way (see: Upstart on other distros, Mir, libnotify... the list goes on). that's why I don't touch Ubuntu systems anymore
the systemd journal is also a very cool replacement for syslog
@strugee Well, let's hope Debian choose systemd then. Well, I'm off. Take care, everyone.
@FaheemMitha bye!
I'll be here until noon tomorrow, so...
23:24
@strugee Sure, I'll talk to you later. Have a nice day/evening/night. :-)

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