Hi @Fabby

Was looking at bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=678946

This is a textbook example of not how to fix/close a bug report.

Various people over several years complain about a bit in the init script for this package. The so-called maintainer doesn't respond to anything. Then he rips everything out, and replaces it by systemd?! In a stable version, no less.

@FaheemMitha This is the same thing that you talked about yesterday, right?

@Kusalananda Well, it's related to that bug Rui filed. We discussed it recently.

I can't remember whether it was yesterday or not.

This sort of thing is really what the Technical Committee is for. In theory, anyway.

@FaheemMitha And they never restored sysV again in Debian 9....Only in Buster.

@RuiFRibeiro Is sysV support back in Buster?

@FaheemMitha I moved to BIRD.....

@RuiFRibeiro Oh, yes. So you said.

@FaheemMitha SysV for quagga, yeah

@RuiFRibeiro Ok. A different maintainer? This one clearly had a screw loose.

@FaheemMitha Back in Buster....but I do not understand the logic of not establishing it back in 9 "because it is stable" when they took out the carpet from our feet in the first place.

stackoverflow.com/questions/193896/whats-a-good-c-decompiler/… Installed an NSA reverse engeneering tool in my Mac...from NSA. I am doomed ;-P

@RuiFRibeiro You mean fixing it?

@FaheemMitha Oui.

@FaheemMitha "Move to systemd or suck it. We fixed it in Buster."

@RuiFRibeiro Like I said, the guy had a screw loose.

I've seen Debian maintainers do some weird things, but this one takes the cake. And not even an explanation or justification.

@FaheemMitha I moved to BIRD....it allows multiple instances of BGP/OSPF, and is more saner handling interface aliases.

@FaheemMitha Initially I ofered to look at the sysV scripts, but they told me like "do them from scractch ".... yeah, yeah....idiots.

@RuiFRibeiro They?

@FaheemMitha Him.

@RuiFRibeiro The guy who ripped out the SysV scripts.

@FaheemMitha Yep.

Was trying Ghidra a few minutes ago.

@FaheemMitha BIRD seems more solid from the pov of a seasoned network guy.

@RuiFRibeiro ok

@FaheemMitha So I did some tests, and migrated to BIRD my anycast DNS

@FaheemMitha Had all my DNSes in an anycast setup

@FaheemMitha In retrospect, should have left one out of it, but it was damn convenient.

@RuiFRibeiro I don't know anything about networking, but glad to hear you found something that works for you.

@FaheemMitha pointing to DNS using VIPs....

@FaheemMitha You move the VIPs around depending on location/when one is down/when you want to do maintenance.

Virtual IP addresses?

@FaheemMitha Yes.

@FaheemMitha Had 5 DNS servers, if all went down except one, that one would assume the 5 VIPs.

@RuiFRibeiro Why would so many machines go down?

@FaheemMitha Shit happens, network segments go down, hypervisors go down. It was just an example.

Ok

Would these DNS servers be virtual machines?

@FaheemMitha When I wanted to do upgrades/mainteance/reboots, I just took that VM out of the anycast setup, and another one picked up the VIP.

@FaheemMitha Oui, but they could be physical....it happened that I migrated everything to VMs....

@RuiFRibeiro Ok

@FaheemMitha 100% VMs.

@FaheemMitha Debian, but later on started using some FreeBSDs

@RuiFRibeiro Ok.

I thought you were going on vacation? Or is that later?

@FaheemMitha Next week!

Oh

@FaheemMitha We are having rains now...it will be going from 10º to 40º lol

@RuiFRibeiro Rains where? In Lisbon?

@FaheemMitha yeah.... 1.5 weeks ago it looked summer and yesterday an huge storm

@FaheemMitha Carnival was ruined....not that we have a good carnival, but I digress.

Hmm. Nothing much happening here, fortunately. It was a bit cooler today. It's not really hot yet.

@FaheemMitha seen it? theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jan/19/…

@RuiFRibeiro No

@FaheemMitha Madness.

record temperatures nudge 50C lol

Climate change fun.

@FaheemMitha Enjoy! I am out.

Take care.

yro.slashdot.org/story/19/03/06/1434207/…

NSA Releases Ghidra, a Free Software Reverse Engineering Toolkit

2

"An established user (say > 6 years tenure, > 10k reputation, > 100 posts) has developed a tendency to ask low-quality questions (e.g., debugging help without MCVE, too broad "write my project", POB security issues, etc). These low-quality questions are closed by the community, and comments are left suggesting ways to improve.

The user does not heed this advice, and continues to ask poor questions. The automatic question ban won't kick in, since their old posts attract a few upvotes each week. As a moderator, is this something you should take action on, or something you should leave to the community to handle? If you do take action, what would you do?""

Seems familiar :)

@RuiFRibeiro What?

There are an awful lot of deletion votes on answers to that moderator questions meta question

All but three non-deleted answers have at least one

@MichaelHomer You should ask a question.

Like what?

I just tried to draft some and they were all too cynical

@MichaelHomer Dunno. If I could think of something I'd have written it.

@MichaelHomer Like what? Example?

We don't seem to be getting a lot of moderating enthusiasm here. The mods need to tell everyone what fun they have. It's a Party!

Are you enthusiastic to run?

@MichaelHomer Who, me? I'm neither qualified, nor interested.

Well, there's your answer, isn't it?

Qualification is, I think, having a few hundred reputation and not having been suspended in a year