@FaheemMitha Cristobal. The give me 3 and I return 2 guy.

@FaheemMitha "Columbus"

@JeffSchaller yeah, didn't referenced that in the article.

@Braiam What?

@Braiam the Billion Oyster Project is referred to from the 99pi article

@JeffSchaller Cool!

@Jesse_b Actually, I've got a bit of a thing about that terminology. But nobody cares.

@FaheemMitha What is your thing

I like dealing with Germans. They're weird like me. They fill in forms I send them, and they're fussy about details.

@Jesse_b I hate that terminology. It's idiotic.

@JeffSchaller It doesn't help that they start talking about Sandy.

@FaheemMitha Yeah I was making fun of it. I think it's offensive to both Indians and Native Americans, but more than either it's offensive to the US. How dumb must we look that we still call Natives "Indian"

@Jesse_b Many think it's perfectly fine. In fact, I think I may have had arguments with people right here on SE. Maybe even in this room.

Then again it also bothers me that we call ourselves "America" and pretend like we are the only country on this continent

I have definitely heard people say something similar to "These Mexicans need to leave America"

I guess they should just put their whole country on a big ship and move it to another continent

@Jesse_b Now, honestly, I think the people who say things like that would actually be delighted if Mexico packed up and moved to Africa.

Actually, Mexico is a complicated mix of Natives and European immigrants.

My history is fairly sketchy.

@derobert Yeah I know and they are also the type of people that if you tried to explain "America" is a collection of continents containing dozens of countries they would say "Yeah but we are the only one that matters"

As I understand further South they didn't murder all the natives, and there was intermarrying. The US murdered all their Natives, so there are basically no Native genes in the population. Though I may be oversimplifying.

They probably also consider everything south of Texas until you get to Brazil to be "Mexico"

@FaheemMitha I'm not sure where to look up genetic data like that to even begin wondering how true that is

(Though very much doubt it. The history of the Americas is way too different from area to area for a generalization like that to hold. I suspect.)

@derobert I think these genetic testing services are going to be very important for the advancement of mankind but I still don't feel comfortable giving my DNA to some database lol

(sort of unrelated I suppose)

@derobert Shrug. Well, native blood is clearly more visible further south. I think that's obviously true.

I mean, compare South America with North America.

And the US treatment of the Natives is extremely well documented.

I'm not familiar with how things went down in South America, though.

@FaheemMitha So is Cortés's treatment of them. A disgraceful history all around on that one :-(

I think history is mostly a collection of lies

@derobert Sure, but I meant more long term. Cortés was just one person.

Genghis Khan was but one man but he was responsible for enough deaths to make a noticeable impact on the carbon footprint of the earth during his reign

@FaheemMitha So was Andrew Jackson.

(who has got to be #1 in terms of mistreating the natives in the US)

At least the ones in the Eastern half. Western half of the US has a fairly different history, not even being part of the US for quite a while.

MANIFEST DESTINY

"We bought this land from someone you don't even know for $65 and a wheel of cheese, you have to move"

@derobert What is more disgraceful is that in some churches in Spain, today cherubims are still covered with 24 karat gold stolen from the Incas...

@Jesse_b That includes history today...

One of my ex-bosses told me once:

He who controls the minutes, controls the meeting.

@Fabby for sure, I think especially today. Anything that is reported has an agenda

He who controls the budget, controls everything...

@Jesse_b noagendashow.com

under construction

2 orld farts whining to one another about current news, but extremely funny

@Jesse_b sorry. Edited.

Take it with a ton of salt, listen to it for the comedy factor only as one of the podcast hosts is the man that famously said: "a mouse? Who wants that?" when the Lisa was launched.

@Fabby I felt that way for a while

mouses are a crutch

@Jesse_b I had a serial mouse long before the Lisa came out: it was the cheap man's digitizer.

@Jesse_b I can still use a PC without a mouse and it annoys me terribly that the tab stops on an input form are in the wrong spot.

@Fabby I found a mouse in my cereal once, it was a cheap mans protein source

:D I once crushed a mouse with my foot...

I think windows 10 is no longer mouse optional (there are certain things you need a mouse to do)

.. by accident: it ran under my shoes while I was walking

@Jesse_b I'm still on Ubuntu with Unity.

I do have a W10 partition, but the only thing I use it for is:

1. Do Windows updates (mostly)

2. change my keyboard backlights

Once the kernel supports that, Windows goes rm --recursive --force /sda

I threw some cheese wrappers in my trash one day and that guy kept getting in there while I was trying to sleep

I caught him with my blow gun

@Jesse_b :O For real?

Yeah the first shot only pinned him to the can but he was still alive :(. I think the second one hit his spine because he stopped moving immediately afterward

I thought you posted this because

Just shows: you don't need a gun to kill something...

hold on: still a blow gun

@Jesse_b And you took a photo of it and saved it?

Well, I guess that's some pretty good aim?

@FaheemMitha You don't hit a mouse with a blowgun and not take photos for evidence

@Jesse_b It sounds like an option to me.

@FaheemMitha :p yeah but then I would be telling Fabby that I hit a mouse with a blowgun and he would think "yeah right...suuuuuuure"

@Jesse_b Well, I suppose if you want to tell people about it...

@FaheemMitha I was pretty proud of it, although I'm not very happy about killing things I don't eat. But that was at my grandmothers house and she used to set those glue traps for them all over too

And I can be sure that a quick blowgun death is much more humane than starving to death while stuck to a piece of plastic

@Jesse_b Well, if it was moving, it was probably quite hard to hit.

When I was in Carrboro, I was once woken up by a small mouse that had somehow got into my waste paper basket. I put a book or something on top to stop him getting out, and I think it fell and killed him, because when I checked later, he was dead.

But I forget the details.

@FaheemMitha Should have taken a picture

@Jesse_b There wasn't much to take a picture of. No blow guns in sight.

@FaheemMitha Yeah but if you took a picture of you bludgeoning a mouse to death with a book you would have remembered

@Jesse_b No bludgeoning. I think I just places it over the bin. But I forget. I think the cover dipped and the book fell in. Might have been a telephone directory. They still printed those back then.

@FaheemMitha Gives a new meaning to library mouse. ;-P

Is this more or less correct?

Anything else major that I should add?

Damn! just did an lshw: forgot the SCSI bus!

:D

@RuiFRibeiro ---^ @FaheemMitha ???

I think I've discovered the dark arts. I put some trail mix in with my snack nuts and now I'm addicted