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2:40 AM
Well, I’ve scratched that itch. Posted a meta Q about asking good questions.
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Q: What else can I do to make my question well-received and improve my chances of getting answers?

Jeff SchallerI’m new to the UNIX & Linux site and I would like to ask a question. There is some guidance in the Help Center, but what are other actions I can take to make my question well-received and improve my chances of getting answers?

Feedback welcome!
 
3:11 AM
@JeffSchaller +1 Gracias
 
3:39 AM
@JeffSchaller That's really elaborate, but I was thinking more like a short list of bullet points.
Given that mostly people don't like to read.
Anyway, I've upvoted both the question and the answer.
@JeffSchaller You wrote:
> If they do ask for clarification, respond by editing your question using the “edit” link towards the bottom of your question -- assuming you registered your account -- DO NOT respond in comments!
Actually, responding in a comment may be perfectly appropriate. And editing an answer may be appropriate. Or both. It just depends.
Just because comments may be deleted doesn't mean you can't respond with a comment. And lots of comments stick around forever, anyway. Unless deleted by a mod.
And if you want to have a dialog with someone, it's either comments or a chat room.
Which functionally is really the same thing - the chat room just has more sugar, so to speak.
And creating a chat room at request to discuss a question isn't trivial, last I checked. In fact, I still don't know how to do it. Newcomers will have no idea that's even possible.
 
 
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9:42 AM
You should also respond in the comments or else they'll never know you edited.
 
9:53 AM
@MichaelHomer That too. Well, at least it won't be so obvious.
 
@FaheemMitha I'd like "If you add code or other terminal output, it should always be edited into the question, not posted in a comment".
 
10:19 AM
@JennyD Sure. You'd like it where? In Jeff's answer?
 
@FaheemMitha As a general policy, and also in Jeff's answer. So I should have pinged him instead of you if my brain had been willing to brain a bit more :-) Ping @JeffSchaller !
 
Hi @JennyD. How's it going?
@JennyD Well,you can still ping him.
 
@FaheemMitha It's been a very intense month but finally the election is over and the stress is going down. It's been the most stressful time I can remember since the time the storage systems for the entire customer email storage broke when I was working at an ISP.
It's really hard to plan everything technical for a thing that only happens every 4th year
 
@JennyD Election? Some Swedish thing?
 
@FaheemMitha Yes, the national, regional and local election for all of Sweden. And I'm sysadminning at the election authority.
But most things worked well, and the things that did fail are things that don't affect the actual election.
On the actual night of the election, I worked from 5pm until 2 am, then went to a nearby hotel to grab a few hours of sleep. I was back at work at 9 am and stayed until 5pm that night. I am too old for that kind of hours...
 
10:28 AM
@JennyD That sounds rough. Were there a lot of you on that gig?
 
Three sysadmins. One of the others went home at 10pm so he could be in early. There were also four developers present, watching over the application where the election staff enter the vote numbers for computing who gets into the parliament.
We've taken turns to have a few days off after election days to recuperate. It was really rough, but we've all had a lot of support from the rest of the organization, which makes a huge difference.
 
@JennyD That sounds like a really small number of people.
 
@FaheemMitha The election isn't digitalised - people still vote with paper ballots that are counted by humans. So we don't really have that many systems to watch over. We did have a few more people on standby though.
 
@JennyD Good work, there!
 
@JennyD I see. I hope you got paid well. What's the current voting proportion/percentage in Sweden?
 
10:39 AM
85%
 
@FaheemMitha yes, we get paid double for working weekends and nights, and of course we also get some pay for being on call. The voting percentage was 87.18% this time.
 
... of voters voted.
87? That was higher than I thought I saw. I might have seen old numbers.
 
@JennyD That's high. Most countries have much lower percentages.
 
@Kusalananda Thanks! It was very unfortunate that the web servers went down, though the actual election systems were still running, and we were still feeding the results in real time to media. (And I can't talk about the reasons for the web servers going down until the analysis of what happened is finished and the agency has made a statement)
@Kusalananda There were a lot of mailed-in ballots that came in late, so they weren't included in the preliminary result
 
@FaheemMitha I believe it was unusually high for Sweden too.
 
10:42 AM
The participation was higher than last time
In 2014 it was 85.81 %
I am now relaxing by writing a script in Python instead of Perl, because I don't know Python so it will take longer and be more fun
 
What? Not a single vote for the satanists? Or Galagopartiet? That's odd...
 
I don't think all of those have been entered yet - the regional governments have two months to report all the names written on ballots that were for non-registered parties
And their staff have been working around the clock to get the vote counts done, so I think they can be allowed to not hurry with the stuff that's only relevant for fun and statistics and not for actual result
 
@JennyD That's totally understandable.
 
@Kusalananda The Flying Spaghetti Monster Party was also overlooked.
 
@MichaelHomer Stephen commented similarly; are you OK with drawing a distinction between clarifying comments and conversational ones?
@JennyD first, congratulations on surviving the election! and second, I'm already taking grief for pushing clarifying-edits into the Question vs a comment, so I'm in violent agreement with you and feel like I'm missing your point :(
I'm guessing it's: "code looks horrible in a comment" ?
 
10:58 AM
@JeffSchaller grief from who?
 
"grief" is too strong a word -- feedback regarding whether OP's responses should be in an edit or a comment
 
@JeffSchaller Like I said, they could be both.
 
@FaheemMitha sure; like I wrote back to Stephen, it's probably wise of the asker to ping the person back, since it's highly likely that person would answer. But I didn't want to get too much into etiquette
comments are probably worth their own Q/A -- what they're for, and how they get deleted and flagged and moved to chat and ...
although the Meta FAQ probably covers them pretty well already
 
 
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12:10 PM
@JeffSchaller Thanks! And yes, that's my point - I am tired of trying to parse code/log lines from output in order to help someone. Sorry if I'm being part of a pile-on!
I do think that your response was a very good one and have upvoted it. There will always be people having strong opinions on details.
 
@JennyD By response you mean his answer to his question?
 
I do
 
12:30 PM
@JennyD gotcha; and you're not piling on; I overstated things when I said "taking grief" -- I appreciate your feedback!
 
12:43 PM
@PrabhjotSingh Here is some related discussion on a Discourse messaging board for Indian trading - tradingqna.com/t/aadhar-not-mandatory-for-private-companies/…
Related to the Aadhaar thing, I mean.
 
 
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2:21 PM
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Q: Memory buffers usage in Linux

user2360915I have been looking at the following free -h output for a while now and trying to find out what is currently being stored in -/+ buffers/cache. Here is the free output : total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 31G 31G 271M 68...

Why would this be off-topic ?
 
@Kiwy I don’t think it is
Yet another example of
 
of ?
 
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Q: Are we abusing "Request for learning materials" as a reason to close?

garethTheRedRequest for learning material, from what I gather, is a request for links or pointers to offsite learning materials, or books, courses, etc. In fact, How do we feel about requests for learning materials? is defines it quite clearly. That doesn't cover a request to be taught something, but there ...

I’ll rephrase: I don’t think the question is off-topic; the reaction is yet another example of the behaviour described in the above meta-question.
 
I get it @StephenKitt ;-)
I agree I usually not use this as a close reason except when someone asks explicitly for documentation and books.
 
2:46 PM
I'm trying to figure out what to do with the files linked to from this article irq5.io/2016/12/22/raspberry-pi-zero-as-multiple-usb-gadgets, and I'm trying to understand the first one. I'm not sure if the first line is part of the script, or an instruction for the user, or a comment: #!/bin/bash -e
On the git page, that line is grey. Is the "#!" a shell command, a bash thing, or something else?
 
@YetAnotherRandomUser it’s a shebang, it’s part of the script; searching for shebang on Unix & Linux will tell you more
 
k, thanks
k, so it seems I need to make the first script into a file; pasting it into a terminal doesn't appear to be its intended use (it also appears to fail)
 
3:47 PM
@YetAnotherRandomUser Ideally, you first try to understand what the script is doing before copy-and-pasting it into a terminal. The script is to be put into its own text file. The file is then supposed to be made executable with chmod +x scriptfile. The script can then be run with ./scriptfile on the command line.
But, as I said, don't run random scripts off from the Internet without knowing what they actually do.
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@FaheemMitha These discussions are taking place everywhere.
why you sent me tradingqna?
 
4:26 PM
@kusalanada I do think I have a good idea (good enough?) of what it does based on the article, at a conceptual level. If I was more familiar with Linux, I'd have been able to recognize what I was supposed to do with it.
 
 
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5:57 PM
Please review my edit here:
 
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@terdon I think this is absurd that this is edit is rejected.
 
user141350
One cannot understand @StephenKitt 's answer without understanding command substitution (on which I linked).
 
user141350
I assume Stephen meant the user will exit after all echos.
 
6:41 PM
@JohnDoea yes, the shell running the script exits when it reaches the end
 
@JohnDoea There's no need for an explicit exit. In fact, it's pointless unless you use it to exit with a specific exit code like exit 1 for example.
The single exit added to the end of the script doesn't alter the script's behavior. That said, the link you gave does seem useful, yes.
 
 
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8:22 PM
@PrabhjotSingh No particular reason.
I was not aware these discussions were taking place everywhere.
 
@FaheemMitha I went thru The Telegraph, Statesman and Indian Express. i found that bench tried their best to keep every stakeholder happy.
 
@PrabhjotSingh I don't know what you mean. Stakeholder?
 
@FaheemMitha Govt, people in UPA, middle class
 
BTW, I read that that giant jackass Jatley implied that he was going to try to get around the restrictions the Supreme Court had placed on private usage.
@PrabhjotSingh Hmm. But lots of people object to Aadhaar. Though I suppose they object even more to the linking and general proliferation.
 
When this is declared constitutionally valid, so tinkering cant be ruled out.
 
8:29 PM
General message boards are useful, as opposed to news articles, because you get a direct, uncensored, from the horses mouth view of what people are saying.
@PrabhjotSingh By the Govt, you mean? Not sure what you are replying to.
 
exactly
 
@PrabhjotSingh Well, they are a bunch of dreadful crooks, so sure.
 
Amendments are possible?
 
@PrabhjotSingh Anything is possible. They were straight ignoring Supreme Court rulings for a long time, so why not even now?
 
@FaheemMitha Read but take with a pinch of salt. m.rediff.com/news/interview/…
 
8:31 PM
You'd think the Supreme Court would notice that, but they are apparently spineless.
@PrabhjotSingh It won't surprise you to know that I agree with most of that.
 
@FaheemMitha Do me a favour. Define about face or volte-face.
 
After all this UIDAI thing was set up by a private corporation. And I think they might be holding the data still.
@PrabhjotSingh It means you change 180 degrees. The opposite of what previously was. Why?
What's the context?
@PrabhjotSingh Anyway, this is an old interview. I wonder what she thinks now.
Anyway, I like the interview. Unlike some people, she is not afraid to speak her mind.
I'm unclear what the reference to the Gates Foundation is. What is their interest in this?
 
@FaheemMitha I have an example of about face.
@FaheemMitha She used to write in Outlook and The Statesman. reading her since 2014. She says some people want to make our coutry data rich. Jean too has said that.
 
Some attempt at an explanation, at any rate.
@PrabhjotSingh our country data rich? You mean they want they want to make themselves data rich. But exploiting other people's private information.
 
8:44 PM
That's not exactly news. I think everyone understands that is what is happening. Even though the Govt and their corporate allies won't admit it, of course.
 
@FaheemMitha I mean govt's stance was different in different cases.
 
@PrabhjotSingh That's not surprising, either. Whatever suits their convenience.
 
@FaheemMitha BTW coverage of this in press was not so good. Even the best newspapers disappointed me.
 
@PrabhjotSingh Oh, that's too bad. What about EPW - that periodical you subscribe to?
 
@FaheemMitha EPW will come in 2 days.
 
8:51 PM
@PrabhjotSingh ok
 
I m talking about newspapers. last year in privacy judgement they workef vey hard.
 
@PrabhjotSingh worked very hard in what sense?
BTW, I was asleep. Will probably try to go to sleep again in a little bit.
 
at that time, they gave apprix 5 pages to that judgement.
 
@PrabhjotSingh The privacy judgement?
 
@FaheemMitha last year in August, the court said that privacy is intrinsic to life and liberty.
 
8:56 PM
@PrabhjotSingh Yes, I remember. But it seems like they didn't actually mean it.
 
A nine judge constitution bench in fact.
@FaheemMitha remember one thing. Basic rights are not only protected by courts but by govts and social conscious of civil society.
 
@PrabhjotSingh Actually, it's mostly protected by civil society. The govt doesn't really care.
And the courts only protect it insofar as they are connected to society.
I.e. people need to defend their own freedoms.
 
@FaheemMitha I disagree cause govt is only reflection of society.
 
@PrabhjotSingh Well, ok. Fair enough.
In so far as it is a reflection on society, I suppose so.
Anyway, I'm going to try to go back to sleep.
 
@FaheemMitha Adios
 
9:46 PM
@terdon I think I did something stupid can you create a chat room for a rep1 user? if yes, I'll delete my answer and leave another comment.
Going for a smoke.
@Seth ----^as it's 1 AM for Terdon???
 
Sure I can do that but I can't move comments on U&L. I can just create the room.
Actually you create the room and I'll fix the rest.
 
Creating room...
Urgh... the prompt "create room for this user" doesn't seem to come up even when I post multiple comments...
@Seth ----^
 
Just create a random room and name it whatever you want @Fabby
you won't be able to invite the user, I have to do that.
 

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