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12:02 AM
@Ungeheuer what does "failure" mean? A wild guess would be a variable that's set by your interactive login environment that's not set in a non-interactive (script). But failure could be anything -- is the $PATH wrong and it's not finding gpg? Is the extraction failing? If you can spell these things out, it could be a question for the site
 
 
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2:07 AM
@JeffSchaller Failure meaning gpg reports it can't find the file in script, but can in terminal. I checked to make sure the for output file and signed file have the correct values, and they do.
Is there a log somewhere that records what gpg says it got passed to it? That would clear everything up if I knew what gpg saw.
This is on RHEL btw
CORRECTION: I checked to make sure the variables containing the output file path and signed path have the correct values, and they do.
 
2:24 AM
@Fabby add a set -x to see what gets executed
woops, wrong reply; sorry Fabby!
@Ungeheuer use set -x to see what gets executed
 
@JeffSchaller ooh. I'll have to try that when I get to work tmo
Is this site the right one to seek assistance for Linux install issues on? I've been trying to install Fedora on a laptop, and after finding the community respins, I finally made progress, but I can't get the Nvidia proprietary drivers to work.
 
 
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7:35 AM
@JeffSchaller No worries: setting my brain to debug mode would make me even more verbose and I talk too much already!
;-) :-)
 
 
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8:55 AM
"Debug mode" is what I call the conversation style of young people. "And then he said... And I was like..., And then she said..." (retelling word for word as opposed to actually describing what happened).
 
Hello !
https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/470481/53092
I'm sure this is duplicate question but I can't manage to find a question where someone ask how to put my output in a file
 
 
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12:16 PM
Well, gmane web links are broken. Wonderful.
 
Hi @FaheemMitha
 
I'm really not sure why someone can't just pick up Gmane. Not an individual, of course.
Lars ran it single-handed for years, so it can't be that much work.
@PrabhjotSingh Hey.
I see that Wikipedia is now linking to web.archive.org (the Wayback Machine), instead of LWN directly.
This is perhaps a defensive move, but is this now becoming a thing? Or is it just for LWN?
I wish Debian had picked up Gmane, but I never saw any discussion of this. I suppose it's way outside their mission.
 
@FaheemMitha Debian hosts its own infrastructure for its own mailing lists, but not others
 
@StephenKitt Yes, I realise that. But something like Gmane would be technically well within its capacity. Though I also realise the Project has enough on its plate already.
Regardless, it's unfortunate. I really liked Gmane.
 
@FaheemMitha yup, it is that
for all the money flowing around certain parts of the free software / open source world (see recent discussions about the LF), there’s an unfortunate lack of means in a number of important areas
 
12:30 PM
@StephenKitt Agreed. But I've said as much here, and in other places. As have others. Including on LWN. It's a well-known dysfunction.
@StephenKitt Did you see that LF tax statement? Some people, at least, are doing well out of Linux.
Recent discussions about LF where?
 
@FaheemMitha in a number of places, regarding the 2016 tax statement in particular
but really the LF is like athletes’ salaries
if LF directors are doing well, it’s because member companies are doing well
(plus some stuff about Bay Area salaries of course)
 
@StephenKitt I don't follow that analogy.
 
@FaheemMitha soccer players command huge salaries because football clubs make tons of money, in particular from TV rights
 
@StephenKitt $600k for some random administrator is a nice chunk of change, Bay Aea or not.
@StephenKitt Oh, ok.
And Torvalds seems to be doing quite nicely for himself too.
Though I don't suppose anyone has anything to say about that.
 
@FaheemMitha 600k for some random administrator?
 
12:34 PM
@StephenKitt Yes, at least based on that LF tax statement I was looking at.
 
I know some of the LF admins and they don’t earn anything like that
 
@StephenKitt Maybe I'm mistaken. But it definitely looked like someone was. Oh, sorry, I guess you're misunderstanding what I mean by administrator. I didn't mean in the sysadmin sense.
I meant like the VPs or whatever.
 
it only lists “Officers, Directors, Trustees, Key Employees, Highest Compensated Employees, and Independent Contractors”
oh right, directors
right, in absolute terms the salaries are high
but again in the director world 600k isn’t huge, in the Bay Area
 
Eg. Mike Woster, whoever that is. Slightly over 600K.
 
and you end up in the nasty game of having to increase compensation because high-level directors can easily go elsewhere
 
12:37 PM
@StephenKitt So, what do these people do, exactly?
I knew some well paid people when I worked in universities in the US.
 
@FaheemMitha they’re in the schmoozing business, something I don’t understand
 
The more they were paid, they less they did.
Also, they used to lie a lot about the actual work they did. It would have been funny if it wasn't so disgusting.
@StephenKitt Ah, the world's oldest profession?
 
@FaheemMitha right, in those circles compensation seems to be linked to your ability to talk well and your circle of acquaintances, rather than the actual value you contribute
 
@StephenKitt Something like that.
 
although it’s not all roses, I know Neela Jacques struggled for a while to find another job after leaving the LF
 
12:39 PM
Frat Boy stuff, perhaps. I don't really understand those dynamics, either.
@StephenKitt I'm not clear what the LF actually does. Apart from paying LT's salary.
Do they pay for other Linux kenel devs?
 
@FaheemMitha I will be free at 10. Found interesting things related to aadhar.
 
@PrabhjotSingh ok.
 
@FaheemMitha Greg KH
they also host a number of projects, including the one I work on, OpenDaylight
 
@StephenKitt Oh, yes. I saw his name there.
@StephenKitt Ok.
 
they provide hardware, mailing lists etc
 
12:41 PM
@StephenKitt I see.
 
(which makes it annoying that they don’t provide mailing lists for the kernel...)
they also organise events
 
@StephenKitt So you know some of the sysadmins who work there?
 
@FaheemMitha yes
and some of the directors
 
Ok. So you're actually paid by them? I thought you work for RH.
 
@FaheemMitha I work for Red Hat, I just happen to work on a project which is hosted by the LF
 
12:44 PM
One hears these weird rumors about the LF trying to subvert free software, and that they are behind that bizarre court case. Hard to know what's true.
@StephenKitt Oh, so they don't pay you. Got it.
I guess not everyone uses GitHub.
Does the LF do certification, I wonder. That seems like a natural area.
 
@FaheemMitha ?
 
@StephenKitt You said the LF hosts the project you work on.
So it's presumably not on GH.
 
@FaheemMitha it’s mirrored on GitHub
but “hosting” is a lot more than what GitHub provides
 
@StephenKitt ok
@StephenKitt Oh?
Legal stuff too?
 
@FaheemMitha legal stuff, events (as mentioned), high-level discussions with member companies, marketing, press relations...
 
12:47 PM
@StephenKitt I see.
I see for example that Mike Woster has a business degree from Kellogg.
 
1:44 PM
@FaheemMitha a cereal company?
 
2:18 PM
Does this make sense to anyone?
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A: Bash script: bad interpreter

gaoitheThis happens sometimes when file system goes funny. Try to move or rename the file. If you see "Stale file handle" error this is your problem. e.g. happened us with CentOS docker $ ./test.sh -bash: ./test.sh: /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Invalid argument $ ls -alstr test.sh 20 -r-xr-xr-x 0 o...

Could that happen without docker being involved?
 
2:39 PM
@JeffSchaller Thanks for the tip with set -x! It helped, and it's nice to use. I'm slightly confused as to what the reason is for the + to indicate indirection. I've never really thought of indirection in anything but C with pointers. Anyhow, set -x shows me that what I expect to be passed to gpg is in fact being passed to it.
I even added --decrypt FILE to make it more clear which file is being decrypted.
I'm gonna ask my tech lead to look at it :/ The command is a straight copy-paste from what some other guy wrote. I just changed his script to be really paranoid and make sure we can actually enter directories and such things, log differently, and make better use of variables.
dunno how that would break this
 

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