Does working with bash by entering commands and stuff count as working with bash programming language?

Or does it have to be actual scripts?

Sure, why not

"Count" to whom?

@JBis I don't think that's well-defined, because "count" isn't well-defined. Perhaps explain what the context is?

@JBis there are situation where you could say "no" -- by executing only other commands (grep, ls, email, etc) you're not invoking very many of bash's features. If, on the other hand, you're using if, test, while; or variables and background jobs, etc -- then I'd consider you to be "working with bash" as a "language"

@JeffSchaller I was talking more the lines of the first example. Like using apt to install things. Nano to edit. Managing files with ls, rm, mv, cp, cd, etc.

and by "count" I mean I want to put bash on my resume. But I have used loops, variables, conditionals, minimally (in bash). Would my experience using bash shell without full scripts be included.

@FaheemMitha

@MichaelHomer

It's a CV, of course you list it if it's relevant

Then if need be you learn what more you need once it comes up

@FaheemMitha I always wonder why people write "code" instead of scripts. ..

Hey there. Does anyone else have problems on Debian with the Intel e1000e network driver? My network always disappears after suspend/hibernate since a recent update (cannot pinpoint which update unfortunately).

@HenriMenke You'd have a larger public looking at your question if you post one on the site itself....

(I have neither Debian nor an e1000e)

@HenriMenke What Fabby said. I don't know why people keep asking questions here. This isn't the Q/A forum. It's chat.

It's ok if your question is ill-defined/poorly formed or otherwise unsuitable for chat.

Sorry, I meant, is unsuitable for the main QA site.

Because questions relating to Unix/Linux may be off-topic on the main site, for whatever reason.

@Fabby I was thinking about that but my question might be too vague because I can't pinpoint the problematic update.

@FaheemMitha ^^^

@HenriMenke Seems concrete enough to me. Are you able to supply details?

And the the e1000e Intel drivers are supposed to be pretty good. Intel releases all their specs and so forth - they're supposedly pretty cooperative.

My point being that the drivers aren't reverse-engineered or anything.

Maybe try rolling back your update? What OS/distribution?

@FaheemMitha Debian 9 but the update was probably weeks ago. I rarely reboot my machine, so the bad update might have happened some time ago.

@FaheemMitha I have a workaround for disappearing network interfaces.

systemctl stop NetworkManager.service
modprobe -r e1000e
modprobe -i e1000e
systemctl start NetworkManager.service

@HenriMenke Post all that and the version.

@Fabby Okay, soon.

@RuiFRibeiro :D :D :D :D

@HenriMenke It's normally possible to revert to earlier versions of a driver. Is e1000e part of the kernel or a separate package? I'm guessing the former. snapshot.debian.org should have all versions of all Debian packages, including unreleased/experimental ones.

Yes, looks like it is part of the kernel.

If could pinpoint what version of the kernel caused the problem, you could submit a bug report directly to the maintainers.

@HenriMenke I thought your name sounded familiar - you're on TeX SE.

Also, apt history should have the upgrade history, so you could look there.

I.e. /var/log/apt/history.log.

Also, term.log, though that is usually less useful.

linux.org/threads/linux-org-dns-hijack-incident.21073

Hi @PrabhjotSingh. Are you around?

@FaheemMitha Hi, how are you ?

@PrabhjotSingh Still not good. My mother is doing worse.

At this point, I think everyone has basically given up hope.

I was busy. That's why i wasn't here.

How are you doing?

@PrabhjotSingh Ok. So, busy weekend?

That is sad.

You work 5 days a week, or 6?

@FaheemMitha I am busy doing your work. 1940 Act.

@PrabhjotSingh Oh? Did you find anything?

5 days. Sometimes 6 days.

Are you really reading through a 600 page document?

Not very much related to pricing.

@PrabhjotSingh How often do you work 6 days? And are the hours excessive?

No, 550 page.

@PrabhjotSingh Like I said, I could not find anything myself. Though I didn't look that hard, I spent some time doing keyword searches.

@PrabhjotSingh Ok, 550.

@FaheemMitha Not often. But you know 9am to 8 pm.

That notice/notification claims that it is there. It would not be surprising if that notice was wrong, however. Because, India.

@FaheemMitha I am going through page by page. Nit by keyboard searches

@PrabhjotSingh That's a brutal work schedule. But I think you said you have a long lunch break or something. Unless I've confused you with someone else.

@PrabhjotSingh Yes, I understand.

If you find anything relevant, let me know, of course.

@FaheemMitha As i earlier wrote this is contrary to Article 21.

@PrabhjotSingh keyword, not keyboard.

@PrabhjotSingh In the Constitution?

But it would be nice to have something in law that prohibits it directly.

So far i read 143 pages.

Also, do you think you could get me a good and complete English translation of that Marathi notice?

@FaheemMitha Yes, Constitution. Right to life and liberty.

@PrabhjotSingh All very good things. :-)

@PrabhjotSingh That's a lot of pages. Did you find anything even vaguely relevant so far?

Not on pricing.

Any such wording seems to me quite contrary to the general tone of the Act. Which is also quite old. Of course, there have been modern updates.

@PrabhjotSingh Actually, one thing I wonder is whether the version I pointed you to is completely up to date. I did not check that.

@FaheemMitha Do you think any hospital can force you to buy from a particular thing ? and if you believe it is your mistake.

@PrabhjotSingh Well, in practice they do.

Just to be clear, how they do it (referring to my personal experiences), is that they get ti from the pharmacy, and just add it to your bill.

If you give me 10 days, i can read amazon.in/Drugs-Cosmetics-1940-Along-Rules/dp/B01BTZL9IG/…

Thus taking you, the patient (or patient's family), out of the equation. That seems to work quite well in general.

@FaheemMitha And there is a word in angrezi Fightback.

btw i asked a friend, no one really knows.

@PrabhjotSingh Take all the time you need. But do you think that one is up to date? More generally, why would it be preferable to the PDF you downloaded?

@PrabhjotSingh Ok. Can you suggest any specific strategy? I'm all ears.

@PrabhjotSingh No one really knows about what? A Marathi translation?

@FaheemMitha 1940 Act.

@FaheemMitha What strategy ?

@PrabhjotSingh No body really knows what about the 1940 act?

BRB tea is up.

@PrabhjotSingh In the situation I described above, you suggested "Fightback".

So, how do you suggest fighting back?

More recently, we moved my mother to the ICU general ward. There they do medical purchases in cash. I don't know why, but it worked for me. The nurses gave us a number (or numbers), which we were supposed to take to the Hospital Pharmacy, and then pay for the medicines. They refused to give us the list of the medicines. So I got the bill from the pharmacy, took a photo if it, left the medications etc. on the counter, and walked away.

But I think I've already mentioned that. But if they put it directly in your bill, it's more difficult. I suppose I could just have refused to pay that part of the bill or something, but even separating out the medication from the rest of the bill would have been non-trivial.

It was all mixed together.

It is very opaque. Sad to hear that is happening in Bombay.

PIL is a way out but there should be more people who can back you up.

@PrabhjotSingh What is opaque?

@PrabhjotSingh I wrote to a organization that in theory might help with this. I could also try writing to individuals. Obviously, it's better to do such things as a member of a good. Or at least with solid legal support.

And I'm pretty sure it isn't just Bombay. I'd bet a substantial amount of money (in theory) that this is going on all across India. Maybe not where you are, though I don't see why your area should be exempt.

@PrabhjotSingh i-probono.com

@JohnDoea You mean serial downvoting, or something else?

@FaheemMitha You don't know for what you are paying. You are not getting break down of that. Isn't it opaque ? Other attendants are not complaining.

@PrabhjotSingh Oh, yes, it's all done like that on purpose.

Apart from the issue of overcharging, there is also the question of whether the stuff you are buying is being used for your patient.

I'd say it's quite likely it isn't.

@PrabhjotSingh "Other attendants"? You mean patient families?

@FaheemMitha Punjab has witnessed public spending on that. People here prefer public system. Things have changed in last 5 - 7 years.

@FaheemMitha Yes.

@PrabhjotSingh Interesting.

Maybe Punjab is a bit different from the rest of India. I know that in some ways it is in better shape than other places. How far are you from Chandigarh?

@FaheemMitha 45 KMs.

@PrabhjotSingh Oh. That's very close. You must have gone there from time to time.

Did you look at the i-probono.com site?

@FaheemMitha Not Punjab only, Himachal pradesh has improved better than us.

@PrabhjotSingh I see. Good to hear that not everyone is a bad shape.

I believe Maharashtra is in fairly bad shape. Particularly the rural regions.

@FaheemMitha Yes, My broker is there Sector 9.

@PrabhjotSingh I see.

What kind of city is it? Clean? Quiet?

> With a per capita income of ₹99,262, Chandigarh is one of the richest cities in India.

Wow, that's supposed to be rich?

Per capita, as in yearly, right?

Yes, Very good city. It is French city in fact. Have you been in Pondicherry ever.

@PrabhjotSingh No. I'm really not much of a traveller. Also, it helps to have a reason to go somewhere.

Yes, affluent people live there. But this is artificial city.

BTW, what are your thoughts on Infosys. It seems to have a relatively sane P/E ratio.

@PrabhjotSingh 1 lakh a year is hardly affluent.

IMO, anyway. Unless Chandigarh is a lot cheaper than Bombay.

In Bombay, that's verging on pocket change.

@FaheemMitha A good bet for long term. My suggestion would be L & T infotech.

You have heard Standing Committee on Health and Family Welfare ?

@PrabhjotSingh Larson & Tubro infotech?

@PrabhjotSingh No, I have not.

@FaheemMitha Yes, it would be way better than infy.

@PrabhjotSingh infy? You mean Infosys?

@FaheemMitha Do write to them. Even if doesn't help you it could help others.

@PrabhjotSingh Sorry, I'm not sure who you mean.

You mean Standing Committee on Health and Family Welfare?

@FaheemMitha You haven't seen its ticker. Infosys is infy.

@FaheemMitha yes.

@PrabhjotSingh Oh, ok.

@PrabhjotSingh Do you have an email address?

@PrabhjotSingh Yes, I just saw the ticker.

@PrabhjotSingh I don't see how any of this will help me. At least, not directly.

@FaheemMitha whose email address ?

I suppose if the hospitals stop overcharging medication, I will benefit from it, like everyone else.

@PrabhjotSingh Standing Committee on Health and Family Welfare. Whoever they might be.

@JohnDoea You mean downvote the same question over several days?

@JohnDoea I don't follow. "get a user banned from the site automatically"?

How does downvoting a user get the user banned?

@JohnDoea I didn't know that was possible.

But presumably the site would check that the downvotes weren't all from the same person?

@JohnDoea They do have internal checks. They don't necessarily advertise them.

@JohnDoea So in your experience, people can and do get banned based on a single person downvoting them?

If you think it's an issue, you could post on meta.stackexchange.

@JohnDoea Ok, then post about that on meta.

At least you might start a discussion.

Though I must admit SE doesn't seem particularly interested in feedback. But you never know.

@JohnDoea It doesn't have to take a lot of time. You could probably summarize the issues in a few minutes.

Say 10 minutes. Not a lot of time.

And I don't think SE cares how experienced users are. At least it's better than complaining here, where nobody will see it.

@JohnDoea Much time? How so? I've posted on Meta before. Usually you collect a few upvotes or an answer or two. In my experience, generally supportive/positive. And that's the end of it.

That should have been - and an answer or two.

@PrabhjotSingh Are you still around? I'm going to the hospital now. Should be back in a bit.

@FaheemMitha I would be free at 11.30.

@PrabhjotSingh Back now. It's just after 11.30 pm. Had quite a unpleasant, but short, experience in the hospital.

@JohnDoea In Meta, that's rather unlikely. But you're the one who bought this issue up here, not me.

@PrabhjotSingh Is it possible to have a blood infection without running a fever?

@FaheemMitha Yes, at extremes of age, septicemia there could be inf without fever. Fever is a non specific immune response.

@PrabhjotSingh Ok, thanks.

@PrabhjotSingh Are you free now? Or still busy?

@FaheemMitha I am free now.

Btw my friend i told u is a physician.

@PrabhjotSingh Ok. So, if you want me to contact the Standing Committee on Health and Family Welfare, tell me know. It looks like a Parliamentary Committee, which doesn't look promising.

Also, I can tell you what happened in the hospital, if you want.

Interestingly patients with arthritis, receiving chemotherapy or radiotherapy can have fever without infection.

@FaheemMitha Yes, it's a Parliamentary Committee. But it is very strong.

@FaheemMitha why not ?

@PrabhjotSingh Fine, if you have contact information, let me have it. Though an email would be a lot easier than a paper letter.

@PrabhjotSingh Is that a yes?

@FaheemMitha Yes.

@PrabhjotSingh Ok. Well, my mother has become completely unresponsive in the last few days, with brief intermissions. This clearly looks bad, but the main doctor in charge, who doesn't come by that often, didn't seem convinced when I told her about it, and the other people don't seem interested or concerned.

One of the ICU doctors mentioned that she thought it might be sepsis encephalopathy. Apparently sepsis can affect the brain.

@FaheemMitha no contact info.

She has her eyes open, but it completely unresponsive. Wednesday she was quite responsive. Today she has her mouth wide open and her jaw was rigid.

Anyway, I asked those people whether they had done a blood culture, and they hadn't. And the ICU doctor present, a creepy little man, was quite rude to me.

Has jaundice set in ? cold extremities ?

@PrabhjotSingh Her extremities are quite cold. Don't know about jaundice.

@FaheemMitha You know about Stupor ?

I'm writing to the main doctor right now. Not sure how much she will care... But those people all do what they tell her. Hospital policy in India is distressingly hierarchical.

@FaheemMitha It could be septic shock.

Most of those people give them impression that they are going around with their minds firmly closed.

It is very unfortunate.

@PrabhjotSingh Yes, she has an infection in her throat/lungs. And in the urinary tract. But perhaps a blood culture could tell a different story?

Are these medical people really so incompetent that someone like me, who knows nothing about medicine, would have something useful to tell them?

@PrabhjotSingh My mother's situation, or something else?

@FaheemMitha Cold extremities point towards Septic shock. You should ask about it from them.

@FaheemMitha People there.

@PrabhjotSingh I'll mention that. But they've been cold for awhile. Until a few days ago, she was fully conscious. As of Wednesday.

@PrabhjotSingh Yes, it is. I was imagining myself lying there, at the mercy of these people.

The idea makes my blood go cold. I'm just an accident away from the tender attentions of an Indian hospital. We live such precarious lives on this planet.

You know about Vitals as respiratory rate , pulse rate etc.

@FaheemMitha you are bedside ?

@PrabhjotSingh Yes. Those are apparently all normal, more or less. She's in the ICU, hooked up to a bunch of monitors.

See pupillary response.

@PrabhjotSingh Am I in the hospital right now? No.

@PrabhjotSingh You mean, like shining a bright light into the eyes?

@FaheemMitha Yes, pupils are windows to the brain.

@PrabhjotSingh And what should happen? Contraction of the pupils?

@FaheemMitha yes.

@PrabhjotSingh Ok. I'll suggest it to the doctor, when I'm writing an email. Though she could easily turn nasty.

I find these people don't like it when they think you are telling them their business.

@FaheemMitha you can see it bedside.

And it seems very strange and disturbing if I would be in a position to tell them anything.

@PrabhjotSingh Yes, if I have a torch. I can try it tomorrow, but I'm not sure I'd recognize the response if I saw it. I have zero medical training. I'm not even sure what the pupils are. But maybe I can find a Youtube video.

I can tell you one more thing, I've started to become much more careful crossing roads.

Bombay roads are a nightmare, anyway.

@FaheemMitha For last 7 years or so, I haven't driven a bike.

@PrabhjotSingh You mean a motorbike? And did you before?

@FaheemMitha Yes, I used to drive at 50 - 70 kmph. Now except 2 -3 times in last seven years.

@PrabhjotSingh You don't want to drive a motorbike. It's extremely dangerous. And even more so in India.

@FaheemMitha I haven't touched for two years. I go on foot everywhere.

@PrabhjotSingh Cars are reasonably safe.

Well, relatively safe. Just be careful crossing roads, if you are on foot.

Anyway pupillary and corneal reflex are very useful in less responsive patients.

I don't have car.

@PrabhjotSingh Yes, I see. Are pupillary and corneal reflexes different things?

@PrabhjotSingh Ok. Well, a regular bike might not be safer, either. Considering what Indian roads are like.

The trouble with walking everywhere is that it is extremely slow. Though good exercise, of course.

@FaheemMitha Different, yes. Corneal reflex is nothing but touching cornea with cotton.

@PrabhjotSingh Oh. And pupillary reflexes are shining a light into the eyes?

Never mind, I guess we covered that already.

@FaheemMitha One advantage is that beautiful thoughts are conceived while walking. Nietzsche or Stendhal. Don't know who said it.

@PrabhjotSingh I agree. Walking is good for thinking. That's been my experience too.

One should take a notebook so one can jot down thoughts or math when walking. I used to do math when I went walking. Not here, of course, but in the Triangle. I used to like walking behind the Chapel Hill Public Library. A very expensive neighborhood - I forget the name. Once I got stopped by the Police.

@JohnDoea I don't think there is anything further to say here. If you don't want to post, that's up to you. But as I also already said, talking about it here is pointless, because basically nobody will see it.

@FaheemMitha Yes, but both pupils will constrict if you put light in one eye.

@PrabhjotSingh Really? That's interesting.

@FaheemMitha Ipsilateral and contralateral.

@PrabhjotSingh Wow, technical details.

@FaheemMitha Yes, Pupillary tells us CN II and CN III are intact. Corneal tells about CN V and CN VII. And that pons or brainstem is intack. So no problem if normal.

@PrabhjotSingh Cranial Nerves?

@FaheemMitha yes, and you say you don't know medicine.

@PrabhjotSingh I just googled it. :-)

And I don't know medicine.

@PrabhjotSingh So how do you suggest I get in touch with this committee?

@FaheemMitha Never google. Duckduckgo it.

@PrabhjotSingh Good point. There is also something called Frontpage, I believe.

@FaheemMitha so far as i know, you have to meet them personally.

@PrabhjotSingh Walking in nice places is relatively enjoyable. I find walking in Bombay mostly upsetting. And the pavements are often terrible.

@PrabhjotSingh Not really practical for me, at least right now.

@FaheemMitha Startpage.com

@PrabhjotSingh Yes, that one.

@FaheemMitha But if you let them know it would help others.

@PrabhjotSingh But I'd have to turn up in Delhi personally?

AFK for a few minutes. I'm going to eat something. Back in a bit.

Interestingly One wrote in comments that I duckduckwent it. It's a verb now.

H1B1 is a mess for Infy and others.

@FaheemMitha Yes.

@PrabhjotSingh H1B1? You mean the US Visa? I think that's H1B.

@PrabhjotSingh If you are ok with that, I'll send you a copy of the email I'm sending the doctor. You don't have to do anything with it if you don't want to, but I'd be interested in any comments you might have.

Startpage has changed now. If you go anonymously, still it shows in browser history. It wasn't before.

@PrabhjotSingh That would be a lot of effort. Would it really be worth it?

@PrabhjotSingh I'm not sure what the implications of that are.

@FaheemMitha This may be start of a change.

@PrabhjotSingh I'd like some evidence that there would be some point. And wouldn't I need to get an appointment first?

I've no idea how such organizations even operate.

Standing Committees of Parliament. If you mention your problem, this would be taken into account while framing a new legislation.

@PrabhjotSingh Sounds good in theory.

For the moment I think it would be more useful to find some people who might actually be interested in helping. If you have any ideas, let me know.

@FaheemMitha Thx for correction. It's H1B visa.

@FaheemMitha Yes,

@PrabhjotSingh Got an email from you with just a title - a url, it looks like.

I'll try sending these people an email. Thank you.

Done. I also forwarded you a copy. It's basically the same email I sent to i-probono.

BTW, where did you find that URL?

@PrabhjotSingh ^^

@PrabhjotSingh I forgot to say that when I saw her just now, her mouth was wide open, and her jaw was rigid, which felt quite unnatural.