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The Quantum Physicist

9:00 PM

I want to upgrade to the latest version of php...

Faheem Mitha

What version of php5 do you want installed again?

Also, apt-cache policy, please.

The Quantum Physicist

latest over what I have now...? Whatever that gets php5-curl to install

Package files:
 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
     release a=now
1100 debianbuild64.zdv.uni-mainz.de/debian ./ Packages
     release v=1.0,o=Uni-Mainz,a=zdv,l=Debian-Local,c=
     origin debianbuild64.zdv.uni-mainz.de
 500 ftp.de.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports-sloppy/non-free Translation-en
 500 ftp.de.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports-sloppy/main Translation-en
 500 ftp.de.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports-sloppy/contrib Translation-en
  90 ftp.de.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports-sloppy/non-free amd64 Packages

Faheem Mitha

@TheQuantumPhysicist Wow, that's horrible.

Ok, so, quoting:

9 mins ago, by The Quantum Physicist

php5:
  Installed: 5.6.6-1~dotdeb.1
  Candidate: 5.6.6-1~dotdeb.1
  Version table:
     5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1 0
         80 http://packages.dotdeb.org/ wheezy-php56/all amd64 Packages
     5.6.14-1~dotdeb+7.1 0
         80 http://packages.dotdeb.org/ wheezy-php56/all amd64 Packages
     5.6.13-1~dotdeb+7.1 0
         80 http://packages.dotdeb.org/ wheezy-php56/all amd64 Packages
     5.6.12-1~dotdeb+7.1 0
         80 http://packages.dotdeb.org/ wheezy-php56/all amd64 Packages
     5.6.11-1~dotdeb+7.1 0

You have 5.6.6 currently installed, it looks like.

The Quantum Physicist

Yes... I need 5.6.15... apparently

because curl exists with that version

Faheem Mitha

@TheQuantumPhysicist Ah, ok.

Do you realise this upgrade might break other stuff? Well, break it more, since PHP is pretty much intrinsically broken...

The Quantum Physicist

9:04 PM

really?

crasic

@FaheemMitha Yes, but I'm at the point where I need a gentle nudge before I can even write a question

The Quantum Physicist

I looked at other policies and they all seem to have the same new version, 5.6.15

crasic

I'm trying to trace a real time system call that will on occasion drop bytes in the buffer

I have strace logs of all the threads, and can point to the calls that represent the bad data

Faheem Mitha

@TheQuantumPhysicist Ok, well, the first thing you can try to do is apt-get install php5=version_num_you_want. This will probably return an error, but that is Ok.

Just paste the error.

The Quantum Physicist

Tried that, gave errors...

Faheem Mitha

9:06 PM

@TheQuantumPhysicist Ok, paste the errors.

The Quantum Physicist

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 php5 : Depends: libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1~) but 5.6.6-1~dotdeb.1 is to be installed or
                 libapache2-mod-php5filter (>= 5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1~) but it is not going to be installed or
                 php5-cgi (>= 5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1~) but it is not going to be installed or
                 php5-fpm (>= 5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1~) but it is not going to be installed
        Depends: php5-common (>= 5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1~) but 5.6.6-1~dotdeb.1 is to be installed

Now if I try, e.g., this: apt-get -f install libapache2-mod-php5=5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1

Faheem Mitha

@TheQuantumPhysicist Ah, well, that does not look so bad. Ok, add the packages mentioned to your install line, and specify the dependencies versions are desired versions.

The Quantum Physicist

I get this:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 libapache2-mod-php5 : Depends: php5-common (= 5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1) but 5.6.6-1~dotdeb.1 is to be installed
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.

like all in one line?

crasic

Ok, the conflict is dotdeb

Faheem Mitha

apt-get install php5=5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1 libapache2-mod-php5=5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1~ ...

What does apt-cache policy libapache2-mod-php give?

crasic

9:09 PM

php5-common version dotdeb 5.6.15-1~detdeb+7.1 which is not the same as 5.6.6.1~dotdeb

The Quantum Physicist

Did that, got more errors:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 libapache2-mod-php5 : Depends: php5-cli but it is not going to be installed
                       Conflicts: libapache2-mod-php5filter but 5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1 is to be installed
 libapache2-mod-php5filter : Depends: php5-cli but it is not going to be installed
                             Conflicts: libapache2-mod-php5 but 5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1 is to be installed
 php5-cgi : Depends: php5-cli but it is not going to be installed
 php5-fpm : Depends: php5-cli but it is not going to be installed

crasic

I have had this exact sequence of issues but with another library

The Quantum Physicist

apt-cache policy libapache2-mod-php5
libapache2-mod-php5:
  Installed: 5.6.6-1~dotdeb.1
  Candidate: 5.6.6-1~dotdeb.1
  Version table:
     5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1 0
         80 dotdeb.netmirror.org wheezy-php56/all amd64 Packages
     5.6.14-1~dotdeb+7.1 0
         80 dotdeb.netmirror.org wheezy-php56/all amd64 Packages
     5.6.13-1~dotdeb+7.1 0
         80 dotdeb.netmirror.org wheezy-php56/all amd64 Packages
     5.6.12-1~dotdeb+7.1 0
         80 dotdeb.netmirror.org wheezy-php56/all amd64 Packages

crasic

somewhere there is a very low level package that has a forced version due to some other depednecies

@TheQuantumPhysicist php5-cli is the lock here, it is blocked for some reason

Faheem Mitha

@TheQuantumPhysicist Ok, select 5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1.

@crasic Good point

crasic

9:12 PM

@FaheemMitha I disagree that this is a good fix, unless he has an explicit reason to pick a specific version (i.e. development), this is a dependency issue that can be resolved

The Quantum Physicist

I tried to install all of these packages together

didn't work...

crasic

You have tied a dependency knot

find the linchpin

Faheem Mitha

@TheQuantumPhysicist What does apt-cache policy php5-cli give?

The Quantum Physicist

php5-cli:
  Installed: 5.6.6-1~dotdeb.1
  Candidate: 5.6.6-1~dotdeb.1
  Version table:
     5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1 0
         80 dotdeb.netmirror.org wheezy-php56/all amd64 Packages
     5.6.14-1~dotdeb+7.1 0
         80 dotdeb.netmirror.org wheezy-php56/all amd64 Packages
     5.6.13-1~dotdeb+7.1 0
         80 dotdeb.netmirror.org wheezy-php56/all amd64 Packages
     5.6.12-1~dotdeb+7.1 0
         80 dotdeb.netmirror.org wheezy-php56/all amd64 Packages
     5.6.11-1~dotdeb+7.1 0

Faheem Mitha

@crasic There isn't a good fix. This whole thing is a bad idea.

The Quantum Physicist

9:13 PM

I'm stuck with my university's pinning... that's why I'm doing all this...

Faheem Mitha

@TheQuantumPhysicist apt-get install php5-cli=5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1

The Quantum Physicist

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 php5 : Depends: libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1~) but 5.6.6-1~dotdeb.1 is to be installed or
                 libapache2-mod-php5filter (>= 5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1~) but it is not going to be installed or
                 php5-cgi (>= 5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1~) but it is not going to be installed or
                 php5-fpm (>= 5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1~) but it is not going to be installed
        Depends: php5-common (>= 5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1~) but 5.6.6-1~dotdeb.1 is to be installed

Faheem Mitha

@TheQuantumPhysicist Sorry, I mistyped.

See above.

The Quantum Physicist

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 php5-cli : Depends: php5-common (= 5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1) but 5.6.6-1~dotdeb.1 is to be installed
            Recommends: php5-readline but it is not going to be installed
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.

Faheem Mitha

Try to install php5-cli.

@TheQuantumPhysicist Ok.

crasic

9:14 PM

look, I have no clue what the differences are, but it seems it thinks that 5.6.6-1~dotdeb.1 < 5.6.15-1~detdeb+7.1~

The Quantum Physicist

Yes it's smaller, and I don't understand why it's not being installed...

that was my original question

Faheem Mitha

apt-get install php5-cli=5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1 php5-common=5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1

crasic

nvm

Braiam

at this point I would unistall/downgrade every dotdeb package since they offer older than current testing tracker.debian.org/pkg/php5

The Quantum Physicist

shit... it says these will be removed:

libapache2-mod-php5 php5 php5-gd php5-intl php5-ldap php5-mcrypt php5-mysql php5-readline phpmyadmin

Faheem Mitha

9:16 PM

@crasic Installation behavior is driven by the preferences.

@TheQuantumPhysicist That's normal. It's removing stuff that depends on the php version you are removing.

crasic

@FaheemMitha these are debian package dependencies, it is hitting a version check failure

Faheem Mitha

That's OK. You can reinstall them later.

@crasic I'm not sure what you are talking about.

The Quantum Physicist

I'm afraid of losing information...

Faheem Mitha

@TheQuantumPhysicist Post the complete output.

crasic

@FaheemMitha It is likely that the patch introduced from dotdeb.1 to dotdeb+7.1 is minor, but the package maker explicitly listed that version.

The Quantum Physicist

9:18 PM

Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
  dbconfig-common libt1-5 libvpx1
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
Suggested packages:
  php5-user-cache
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  libapache2-mod-php5 php5 php5-gd php5-intl php5-ldap php5-mcrypt php5-mysql php5-readline phpmyadmin
The following packages will be upgraded:
  php5-cli php5-common
2 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 9 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

I'll brb guys, sorry!

Braiam

remove them all, dpkg don't remove files that weren't created by the packages

Faheem Mitha

@TheQuantumPhysicist That looks Ok. You'll need to reinstall those packages later.

crasic

@Braiam I agree, standard procedure is remove everything

then build the tre back up

if you have the dependency tree it may be worthwhile going through it individually and seeing what breaks the instal

Faheem Mitha

After you've run that command, install those package, but first only the php ones at your preferred version.

The Quantum Physicist

OK, I'll do it

Faheem Mitha

9:21 PM

@TheQuantumPhysicist First, just run that command and report the output. Don't do anything else.

The trouble with this remote driving is that often people don't follow directions.

The Quantum Physicist

I installed them... the others are removed now

Faheem Mitha

@TheQuantumPhysicist Ok, now try:

apt-get install php5=5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1

It will complain.

What is the error message?

The Quantum Physicist

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 php5 : Depends: libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1~) but it is not going to be installed or
                 libapache2-mod-php5filter (>= 5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1~) but it is not going to be installed or
                 php5-cgi (>= 5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1~) but it is not going to be installed or
                 php5-fpm (>= 5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1~) but it is not going to be installed
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.

Faheem Mitha

Ok, check the versions of all those using apt-cache policy. Is 5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1 the top in all cases?

I'm not sure what is with the 5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1~ thing.

Oh, I see, that's the dependencies setting. Ignore that, it doesn't matter.

The Quantum Physicist

What do you mean with "all cases"?

Faheem Mitha

9:24 PM

@TheQuantumPhysicist For all packages. Ok, example.

apt-cache policy libapache2-mod-php5

Is 5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1 at the top of the list?

The Quantum Physicist

Yes it's always on top

crasic

@TheQuantumPhysicist I suspect, and this is just me, that the dotdeb+7.1 has some dependency itself which is in conflict, causing the package manager to drop to dotdeb.1

Faheem Mitha

@TheQuantumPhysicist Ok, just go through and check it for all the packages that were mentioned in that error messsage. Just to be on the safe side. You can pass multiple targets to apt-cache policy.

The Quantum Physicist

I did

crasic

keep in mind that version changes at the end reflect, typically, distro specific patches or packaging changes (like dependencies)

The Quantum Physicist

9:26 PM

I can paste!

Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 php5 : Depends: libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1~) but it is not going to be installed or

crasic

You are asking to install the hgihest version of libapache2-mod-php5, which is dotdeb+7.1

however for whatever reason that version cannot be installed

that version of its dependency

Braiam

meh, I say again, testing offers .14

Faheem Mitha

apt-get install php5=5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1 libapache2-mod-php5=5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1 libapache2-mod-php5filter=5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1  php5-cgi=5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1 php5-fpm=5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1

Try that ^^

The Quantum Physicist

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 libapache2-mod-php5 : Conflicts: libapache2-mod-php5filter but 5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1 is to be installed
 libapache2-mod-php5filter : Conflicts: libapache2-mod-php5 but 5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1 is to be installed
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.

Looks somewhat circular...

Faheem Mitha

@TheQuantumPhysicist Yes, looks like you can't install both. take one out

The Quantum Physicist

9:29 PM

I took the filter out

Faheem Mitha

Ok, try again.

The Quantum Physicist

success...

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam They aren't allowing him to upgrade.

Braiam

chroot?

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam Dunno

crasic

9:30 PM

@Braiam or LXC

Faheem Mitha

It's a server side thing. He'd have to make it globally visible.

The Quantum Physicist

So now I should proceed and install php5-curl?

Braiam

@crasic afaik you need root for that, no?

crasic

@Braiam To set them up... I beleive so

Faheem Mitha

@TheQuantumPhysicist Just do a sanity check. apt-get -f install.

@Braiam What is that check involving dpkg?

crasic

9:31 PM

but they have unpriveleged container

The Quantum Physicist

Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
  dbconfig-common libt1-5 libvpx1
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

crasic

so you can run them non-root

Braiam

@FaheemMitha --check?

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam Yes, that one.

The Quantum Physicist

Does that look good?

Faheem Mitha

9:32 PM

@TheQuantumPhysicist dpkg -C

Braiam

@FaheemMitha no, it's --audit

The Quantum Physicist

nothing came out of that

Faheem Mitha

@TheQuantumPhysicist Yes, that looks Ok. But what you are doing here isn't the best idea. I hope you realise that.

@TheQuantumPhysicist That's what you want to see.

Anything returned from that command would be bad news.

The Quantum Physicist

it didn't return anything

Faheem Mitha

@TheQuantumPhysicist apt-get -s upgrade.

@TheQuantumPhysicist Good

The Quantum Physicist

9:34 PM

I tried to install php5-curl, didn't work

apt-get install php5-curl
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 php5-curl : Depends: phpapi-20100525
             Depends: php5-common (= 5.4.45-1~dotdeb+7.1) but 5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1 is to be installed

Faheem Mitha

@TheQuantumPhysicist Hold your horses.

First, apt-get -s upgrade.

The Quantum Physicist

did that

nothing significant

Faheem Mitha

@TheQuantumPhysicist ??

What did you get? Post it.

The Quantum Physicist

apt-get -s upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

Faheem Mitha

@TheQuantumPhysicist Ok, good.

Ok,

apt-get install php5-curl=5.6.15-1~dotdeb+7.1

The Quantum Physicist

9:36 PM

worked!

Faheem Mitha

@TheQuantumPhysicist Ok. Did you need anything else?

The Quantum Physicist

Let's see what's missing now...

Seems to work perfectly! Thanks a lot!

Though I haven't tested curl yet, but I will

Does this look good now? What do you think happened?

Braiam

several BNU on testing :(

The Quantum Physicist

@FaheemMitha

Faheem Mitha

@TheQuantumPhysicist Happened with what?

@Braiam Hmm?

The Quantum Physicist

9:43 PM

I mean I'm trying to understand how bad this could be, what I did

What do you think?

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam You weren't around for a while, but you seem to be back.

The Quantum Physicist

Btw Faheem where are you from?

@FaheemMitha

Braiam

Nov 5 at 2:47, by Braiam

Frankenstein "It's Alive" Scene

►

Faheem Mitha

@TheQuantumPhysicist Well, bear in mind that upgrading PHP is intrinsically harmless. But if you other stuff running on your system which depended on that earlier version of PHP, it's broken.

@TheQuantumPhysicist India.

@TheQuantumPhysicist A couple of comments. (a) Consider using something less awful than PHP (b) Read man apt_preferences.

The Quantum Physicist

It's too late to change php

Faheem Mitha

9:45 PM

(c) Try and persuade your admin to ugrade to Debian stable.

The Quantum Physicist

anyway dude

thanks a lot

I'm so grateful!!

Have a nice evening :)

Faheem Mitha

@TheQuantumPhysicist No problem. But don't thank me yet, you don't know if it works.

The Quantum Physicist

The website is working...

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam So, slacking off at work then?

Braiam

@FaheemMitha nah

The Quantum Physicist

9:46 PM

oh shut

shit

Braiam

today is holyday

The Quantum Physicist

I just saw that mysql plugin is missing

there we go :S

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam Heh. Working hard or hardly working?

@TheQuantumPhysicist You're an experimental physicist?

What are you doing messing with PHP scripts? :-)

The Quantum Physicist

Well, for example we have data for our experiments which is like GB, and two days ago I wrote a script that would compress the data to ZIP and stream it to the user immediately

Yes I'm a physicist

I do mostly programming

Faheem Mitha

@TheQuantumPhysicist Oh

Braiam

9:48 PM

use Perl

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam holy day?

The Quantum Physicist

I do python mostly... I tried django, but didn't like it

Braiam

holiday

Faheem Mitha

Agreed, Perl is better than PHP. But then, most things are.

@TheQuantumPhysicist I used Django. Didn't like it much either.

The Quantum Physicist

I also hate their licensing... I must keep "powered by django" down there

I find that stupid

Faheem Mitha

9:50 PM

@TheQuantumPhysicist Next time, consider posting a question. Though these kinds of questions aren't really very useful for the site, so it's no big deal.

The Quantum Physicist

Actually I did post a question. No one even looked at it... and I was really desparate

I appreciate your help a lot!

So have a nice evening

I gotta go :)

Faheem Mitha

@TheQuantumPhysicist Oh? You could have linked to it.

The Quantum Physicist

Ciao!

Faheem Mitha

@TheQuantumPhysicist Take care.

@Braiam I don't actually know what you do. Sysadmin stuff?