@msh210 @TRiG but seriously: "deleted account" ?

@IsaacMoses I agree with your instincts. Having enough copies is most important; color is nice but secondary.

@TRiG Also needs to be "e.g."

@TRiG I think it's the former. Changing one's fate seems to be the focus of the rest of the answer, rather than changing one's ways, so it seems likely that the significance of the way-changing here is subordinate to that of the fate-changing. Either could work, the author doesn't cite a source we can interrogate, and the author isn't here. So I'll leave it as written.

@TRiG Every other pronoun in than answer is "one," so this one can be, too.

@TRiG ... and it's all in. Thanks very much again.

First release candidates: Days_of_Awe-Mi_Yodeya_5776_v1.0

a .DOCX / .PDF

b .DOCX / .PDF

c .DOCX / .PDF

room topic changed to Days of Awe - Mi Yodeya: For planning/discussion/execution of a MY publication for the High Holidays. CURRENT DRAFT (v1.0): chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/23397671#23397671 (no tags)

Incorporated @TRiG's corrections. Brought Credits up to date.

What are a, b, and c for?

a is good old 52 pages.

But then, I realized that we have a little too much space between lines and between paragraphs, so I tried reducing it, and then doing a little fixing and editing for orphan control. That yielded b, which is 47 pages, and c, which has a blank page inserted after the cover, to bring the book up to an even 48.

If we like the format with a little less space, then c would be the one to put up on the web and ask people to download.

b would be the one to send to Staples, because they'll automatically insert a blank page behind the first one if you set the first one to be special.

So, for a color cover, instead of 2 special pages and 50 normal pages (a), we now only have to pay for 1 special page and 46 normal pages.

Bottom line: copies with a color cover come down to $1.05 each, and the mailing cost comes down to $0.17-$0.19, so our current budget would print about 1200.

With a color cover printed on 67# colored paper, the copies are 1.19 each, and I assume (not feeling like trying to calculate it) that the mailing would be at most $0.01 more. So, our current budget would print about 1050.

The colored paper that looks the best to me is 67# pastel canary, which previews like this:

We could also do 67# white if we just want a thicker cover.

Please take a look at these versions, and submit any final corrections or suggestions, as well as your opinion on whether 1.0a or 1.0b/c is better and whether we should use special paper for the cover, by this Saturday night, August 15.

@MonicaCellio ^^^^ Or we could just do both!

@IsaacMoses do they have an ivory or cream available in that weight? The light canary looks ok to me but monitors do vary.

I think the spacing in (b) looks just fine on-screen. (I'll try to print a page later when I have access to a printer.)

I don't have a concrete suggestion, but on the credits page it feels a little odd to me to say (approx) "thanks to these people who donated: (shorter list)" followed by "and finally, these guys". It reads to me like the first list is the full donor list and it's only clear after what was meant. Everybody on both lists "rose to the challenge" etc. But I don't know what I would change exactly; I'm hoping somebody else has an idea (or that I do later).

@IsaacMoses this is really excellent! Thank you to everybody who proofread, edited, and assembled.

I am really looking forward to putting copies in people's hands.

(Isaac, please put me on the distributor list. I'll fill out the form soon B"N.)

@MonicaCellio No. Here's a summary of the colors available in 24# and up: 24# - bright colors. 65# - bright colors. 67# - Pastel Blue, Pastel Canary, Pastel Green. 110# - Pastel Blue, Pastel Canary, Pastel Ivory.

Pastel Blue makes the brown tree look sickly.

@MonicaCellio I agree, and would heartily welcome rewrites or ideas for better phrasing. I'll give it another try on Saturday night.

@IsaacMoses that doesn't surprise me. Some shades of yellow work really well with our browns; I worry that some might not. On the other hand, I think I know what they mean by "pastel canary" and the color I'm thinking of should be just fine.

@MonicaCellio Amen

@MonicaCellio Me, too!

@MonicaCellio Will do.

@MonicaCellio Given the risk of unforeseen clash, the presence of colored ink to make the cover pop, even on white, and the opportunity to print ~150 more copies on uniform paper, I think I'm in favor of just going with 24# white throughout.

@MonicaCellio Incidentally, if it looks on-screen like the descenders of some 'g's and 'y's are cut off, I'm pretty sure that goes away when the document is printed. That, incidentally, was already true in the wider-spaced v0.2, and was what prompted me to start playing with the spacing.

Example in wider space: v1.0a Intro, 3rd paragraph, all three 'g's in "interesting practices to long expositions of the meanings"

Example in compacter version: v1.0b, p. 3, 4th paragraph, 'g', 'j', 'y', and 'g' in the line "Taz (subsec. 2) and Magen Avraham (subsec. 2) justify the practice of saying it, on the"

@IsaacMoses I think that's right. A color cover at all should get people's attention; let's just go with 24# white.

@IsaacMoses interesting -- the "g" in "Magen Avraham" is clipped but on the very next line, the "g" in "grounds" isn't (or if it is, it's very minor). Difference: the former is italic.

Also, farther up in the "Alex answered" paragraph, "kingship" looks fine.

But we should check this on paper, yes -- even with improved technology our monitors don't have the resolution of laser printers yet. :-)

@IsaacMoses ah, that could be.

@MonicaCellio Is that the issue? Resolution? Interesting. I thought it was just a weird quirk in how PDFs display on screen, or something.

@IsaacMoses it's probably not just that, but when you print on paper you're getting something like 600 DPI (dots per inch). Compare that to the number of pixels and pixel weight in a monitor. The PDF has more detail than your screen can show unless you have a big and high-end display.

@IsaacMoses according to this, a typical LCD monitor has PPI (pixels per inch) around 67-130. Your laser printer is probably 300 DPI (dots per inch), on the other hand, and a print shop is probably using better equipment.

@MonicaCellio Interesting. I think my printer lets me print 600 dpi or 1200 dpi.

@IsaacMoses I don't remember offhand what mine does -- either 300 or 600.

More later -- got to run.