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9:00 PM
@Nihilist_Frost The /h/ is almost not there in the UK pronunciation. (A bad audio cut?) In the US, I think it's a clear [h].
 
@DamkerngT. UK audio was from an H-dropping accent I think
 
Oh, yes! That's quite possible!
 
what about the one in the American tab? sounds awfully like a stop.
 
Afaict, the key difference between [ç] and [h] is most energy of [ç] is concentrated above 3 kHz.
@Nihilist_Frost nods
 
@DamkerngT.,Sorry, bad internet, you are right about when, reduced clause etc. Thanks, good night, going to bed.
 
9:04 PM
@V.V. No worry! (BTW, it's AusE. :D) Good night! Sleep tight!
 
@DamkerngT. sounds like /cu:mən/.
honestly that sounds awful.
 
nods -- I'm looking for a way to download the sound file.
@Nihilist_Frost It looks like it's just a bad audio cut.
See the vertical bar just before 0.1s?
(I padded the clip with a short silence so we can have a good look at the beginning of the clip.)
It could also be synthesized as well.
Or it just went through a strong compression. The audio quality is not great, but acceptable.
On second thought, it's better than acceptable. It's good but not great.
Back to the audio clip (of hue) in Wiktionary.
 
what program is that?
 
WaveSurfer
 
9:29 PM
I use my own mod from 1.8.5 code base, BTW.
 
Anonymous
9:47 PM
@DamkerngT. What are those two thingies?
 
@snailboat Ah, they're proficiency levels!
According to CEFR framework, PET = B1, FCE = B2. (The levels are A1 to C2.)
I think the gaps get wider at the upper levels.
 
Anonymous
10:22 PM
@DamkerngT. Oh, thanks :-)
 
No problem! :D
I think most learners are either underconfident or overconfident.
This image should be useful:
Remember Ilan?
 
Anonymous
I do!
 
He took IELTS earlier last year, iirc.
He passed the 7.5 band. (IELTS is the red one in the chart.)
 
Anonymous
I think gauging the extent of your own knowledge is a really difficult task, and the less we know, the harder it is!
 
nods
However, passing IELTS 7.5 doesn't necessarily mean passing CAE (the third column).
CAE has got a wide range.
To live or study in another country, according to CEFR, passing FCE is the minimum.
 
10:36 PM
"marry" is never a good example of discussing pronunciation at the start of a course.
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Q: How can i pronounce letter 'a' correctly?

ahmedmarI've read different questions about pronouncing 'a' like this : Sounds of the letter a In my native tongue-Arabic- there are 3 degrees of pronouncing 'a' degree one is like able degree two is like marry degree three is like are My confusion is in 2 things: The symbols used in answers like ...

I don't understand which sound is he referring to with "marry".
 
Three degrees of /a/?!
Maybe MAR knows.
Wait, iirc, a migrated question will become a zombie when it gets closed, right?
> pure vowels, with short /a i u/ and corresponding long vowels /aː iː uː/. There are also two diphthongs: /aj/ and /aw/.

The pronunciation of the vowels differs from speaker to speaker, in a way that tends to reflect the pronunciation of the corresponding colloquial variety. Nonetheless, there are some common trends. Most noticeable is the differing pronunciation of /a/ and /aː/, which tend towards fronted [æ(ː)], [a(ː)] or [ɛ(ː)] in most situations, but a back [ɑ(ː)] in the neighborhood of emphatic consonants. Some accents and dialects, such as those of the Hijaz, have central [ä(ː)] in
 
/eɪ/, /æ/, /ɑ/
 
@DamkerngT. he's confusing between Arabic and English itself.
I think
 
@StoneyB A-ha!
 
I'm pretty sure no other language writes /eɪ/ as <a>.
@StoneyB I figured, but him referring to Arabic confuses everyone.
 
10:51 PM
But note that DT's passage gives "[æ(ː)], [a(ː)] or [ɛ(ː)] ... [ɑ(ː)]" as pronunciations for the /a/ phoneme -- pretty much the same set if you hear /eɪ/ as [ɛ] and don't distinguish /a/ and /ɑ/.
 
11:01 PM
Silly that many words with /ʌ/ are written with <o>.
son, ton, tonne, come, monk, monkey, tongue, done, some, none, among, won
 

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