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Anonymous

5:00 PM

Dysarthria (from Ancient Greek δυσ- dys, "hard, difficult, bad" and ἄρθρωσις arthrosis, "articulation") is a motor speech disorder resulting from neurological injury of the motor component of the motor-speech system and is characterized by poor articulation of phonemes (cf. aphasia: a disorder of the content of language). In other words, it is a condition in which problems effectively occur with the muscles that help produce speech, often making it very difficult to pronounce words. It is unrelated to any problem with understanding cognitive language. Any of the speech subsystems (respiration,...

Jim Reynolds

Maybe he can't move his tongue well and makes a more pronounced glottal stop, or puts more effort into making a glottal stop, or .. well, something.

O.O

It's interesting, but I notice that I don't desire to develop an expertise in pronunciation to that level.

Anonymous

Which is totally fine.

Anonymous

I find that studying phonetics and phonology helps me pronounce the languages of the world more easily :-)

Jim Reynolds

Which sort of takes me up to your earlier comments about feeling disappointed with community member's lack of expertise or willingness to guess on ELL here, and to upvote whimsically.

Sure it would!

Anonymous

@JimReynolds I think a lot of questions on ELL can be answered without a great deal of expertise.

Jim Reynolds

5:04 PM

Agreed. But some feel a need to go beyond the answer.

Most?

Me?

ha.

I think answering is a way of learning.

Anonymous

Sure. I think that's okay.

Anonymous

I think all of us are learning as we contribute.

Anonymous

None of us know everything there is to know about English, even if it is our native language.

Jim Reynolds

@Dam Ok. Taiwan is . . . trisected (?) by the Tropic of Cancer, so it's southern third is tropical. Up here in the north, we are not too far from the tropics!

Damkerng T.

Oh! What a location!

Jim Reynolds

5:08 PM

Offhand, I'd say that lows in the winter rarely go below around maybe sort of . . . 8C?

Damkerng T.

I thought snow is common up there because many (mostly period) dramas have snow settings.

Jim Reynolds

I wonder if it's ever snowed in Taipei? I'd guess never or almost never.

Really? !

You could knock me over with a snowman.

Damkerng T.

The settings are perhaps about what happened on the main land, though.

Haha!

Jim Reynolds

That sounds more righter.

But ... Movie: Snowfall in Taipei; Chinese: 台北飄雪

Anonymous

@JimReynolds Seems like an unwieldy tool.

Jim Reynolds

5:11 PM

But a fairly safe thing to get knocked with!

Damkerng T.

:D

Jim Reynolds

Unless the corncob pipe gets you in the eye.

I wonder how frustrated the average person who spends substantial time editing Wikipedia feels.

Damkerng T.

Like, a lot?

Jim Reynolds

I remember once deciding that I could design a much better grammar wiki last year.

Now, I don't recall what I was really thinking.

Experts having more control.

Damkerng T.

I don't think information on Wikipedia is geared toward learners much.

It's useful, still.

I link to it times and again.

Jim Reynolds

5:14 PM

True. I'm fairly sure I'm a good English teacher, though not an expert on English linguistically.

Anonymous

Wikipedia is supposed to be a faithful synthesis of published source materials, accurate but not really pedagogical.

Damkerng T.

Why my I didn't get capitalized, huh, iPad?

Anonymous

snailboat-wikipedia

Dec 8 '15 at 23:52, 4 minutes total – 17 messages, 3 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked 8 secs ago by snailboat

Jim Reynolds

:-)

Anonymous

5:18 PM

I wrote something else about Wikipedia, too.

Damkerng T.

@JimReynolds I think they're independent. But it's true that it's rare to find both in the same person.

Anonymous

Just wait, this one is going to be even more exciting!

Jim Reynolds

Ah, well-said about Wikipedia and grammar.

Oh noooo !

Damkerng T.

excited!

Jim Reynolds

Here it comes.

Anonymous

5:19 PM

snailboat-wikipedia-2

Dec 9 '15 at 0:05, 10 minutes total – 25 messages, 4 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked 5 secs ago by snailboat

Jim Reynolds

I'm hoping for a confrontation!

in English Language & Usage, Dec 9 '15 at 0:07, by snailboat

I occasionally make an account, but then I usually forget what I named it :-)

Hahahaha!

Anonymous

I would've put them all in one message, but they went across midnight UTC, which is a magical boundary across which you cannot bookmark a single conversation from the transcript view.

Nihilist_Frost

0

Q: Is 'went down well' correct conjugation of 'go down well'?

I'm trying to construct a sentence where I would like to use the 'go down' phrasal verb. The sentence I am working with is follows this pattern: They decided to play Mozart; it usually went down well with most clientele. Is this the correct use of 'go down'?

Jim Reynolds

I think they are required to do that by international law, snailboat.

You know, clicking across the international dateline can slow the rotation of the earth.

OMG

There will be a lot of fun had with that one

Anonymous

Fun having not allowed!

Anonymous

5:23 PM

ELL is about not having fun.

Damkerng T.

@Nihilist_Frost I replied to something that isn't there anymore.

Anonymous

hot-dog's;

Jim Reynolds

Fun is a sin.

in English Language & Usage, Dec 9 '15 at 0:14, by Cerberus

Oh, well, such is life...

Damkerng T.

But to be fair, most OPs don't ask their questions in the titles, or not only in the titles.

Jim Reynolds

I'm inclined to agree with that, most of the time. But then it's usually people who insist on something better that make great things happen.

Or am I just talking? @snailboat, what do you think?

Has anything great ever happened?

Anonymous

5:25 PM

Dunno. Probably.

Damkerng T.

@snailboat I didn't know that!

Jim Reynolds

Aside from the development of @Dam's model.

You didn't know about ... bookmarking?

Damkerng T.

About no fun having. :P

Anonymous

No one expects no fun having!

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

No fun having? What's wrong with you people?

Jim Reynolds

5:27 PM

Two sides of the same bitcoin.

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.: The older people are talking. Shush!

(In Mar's culture, he has to respect my age.)

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@JimReynolds On the internet, no one knows you're a ~~dog~~ ~~human~~ @Jim.

Anonymous

I've become older people!

Jim Reynolds

lol

It will happen over time.

Will that be all? Is it a "future tense"?

I mean, if there was a future tense?

Damkerng T.

Am I old? I'm just a robot.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

I believe in a future tense.

Jim Reynolds

5:29 PM

To clarify: In "Will that be all?" is "will" a future form?

Anonymous

First we have to get people to agree on what "tense" means.

Jim Reynolds

Oh jeesh.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Mhm.

Jim Reynolds

@Dam, remember when I told you I got CGEL?

I think more than a year ago?

Anonymous

In the analysis presented in CGEL, there is no future tense.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

5:30 PM

He lost it.

Jim Reynolds

I've read like ... two chapters.

:'(

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

I mean he lost the book.

Anonymous

@JimReynolds Hey, that's good! The first two chapters are the most important :-)

Jim Reynolds

But I'm determined to argue about grammar.

O.O

Damkerng T.

It looks like I overwrote it with something else, Jim.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

5:30 PM

@JimReynolds *grammer

Anonymous

The second chapter is sort of a short form of the whole book.

Jim Reynolds

MAT, I lost it long ago.

MAT, or MAR, whatever your name is.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Who be MAT?

Oh. How dare you.

Jim Reynolds

Oh, so in my wisdom, I realized that I'd absorbed the whole book?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

MATamazani? O_O

Jim Reynolds

5:31 PM

I can go forth propounding my wiseness?

Anonymous

To anyone who would like to read chapters one and two, they're available for free from Cambridge University Press: Chapter 1 - Chapter 2

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@JimReynolds You absorbed it when you were born.

Jim Reynolds

When are you going to be a licensed chemist / pharmacist, Mar?

I feel a duty to warn your future victims.

I just had a vision!

One day in the not-too-distant future, a dying person uses almost all their energy to slide a doctor's prescription across the counter to MAR . . .

The person gasps with effort .. . This is . .

finally succeeds in getting the prescription into Mar's hands,

And he throws it back, saying "I don't do proofreading."

Damkerng T.

Haha!

Jim Reynolds

@snailboat New hampster!

Anonymous

5:42 PM

@JimReynolds We have two new non-epenthetic hamsters :-)

Jim Reynolds

Don't fault them on their deficits, though.

Well, what is epenthetic?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@snailboat Big family, you have.

Jim Reynolds

rogerebert.com/reviews/the-assassin-2015

Oops.

Nihilist_Frost

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A: I don't uderstand this sentence

He is referring to the fact that English doesn't have a gender-neutral pronoun when referring to people. We only have he or she and their variations. "it" is mostly not used on people. Many authors use "he" for gender-neutral purposes, even though it is masculine and thus not addressing females...

Jim Reynolds

Although that slip might be interesting, who knows. I'll leave it.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

5:45 PM

@JimReynolds Huh

Anonymous

They is gender-neutral. You is gender-neutral. I is gender-neutral.

Nihilist_Frost

@snailboat Oops, I was mindlessly paraphrasing Catija

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

So's we.

Jim Reynolds

Everyone's getting the question wrong, I think.

It's a joke that the OP doesn't get.

Nihilist_Frost

I fixed it.

Jim Reynolds

5:46 PM

The book is for dummies . . .

Yes. I'm right. No one got it so far.

The author of XXX for Dummies, doesn't want to pick on one gender of the (dummy) audience.

Usually a writer will say, I don't want to ignore females/women by using *he for everyone.*

That's beside the point.

Why does the author say they don't want to tell gentlemen how ignorant they are?

That is what the OP is asking.

Nihilist_Frost

I thought it was to mix things up.

Anonymous

@JimReynolds Explain the joke to him! :-)

Jim Reynolds

@Nih You know the Dummies series, I suppose, right?

Nihilist_Frost

I deleted my answer.

@JimReynolds Yes.

French for Dummies, so on

Jim Reynolds

The idea is that they are for novices.

All of them, I think, say something like ... "This isn't really for dummies, of course ... You are very smart to have gotten this book .. .etc, etc."

Anonymous

5:51 PM

No, no, don't explain it to us, explain it to Cookie! :-)

Jim Reynolds

Oh.

Well, Do you prefer to do it, Nih?

It is a way to mix it up. You are exactly right.

But it's confused the OP.

Haha

Ah, GoDucks did it, and Cookie got it.

@sna I learned something else from that chat of yours now .. .

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

To always be graceful of others?

Jim Reynolds

I wondered what the heck was wrong with people here that they didn't seem to know if it was the year of the sheep or of the goat this year.

O.O

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

To know grammar a lot?

Jim Reynolds

Mar!

Please go back to your bed under the house.

What I concluded ... somehow! ... from talking to a Taiwanese person or two, was that it was really goat, but recently people wanted to make it "cuter" by using sheep.

Obviously, there being a prejudice there.

Damkerng T.

5:57 PM

@JimReynolds I don't think it's a common thing in the west.

Anonymous

You could call it the Year of the Ovicaprid.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@JimReynolds Yeah, what year is chemical?

Anonymous

Doesn't really roll off the tongue, though, because we typically make that distinction in English, and the hypernym is uncommon and relatively unknown.

Jim Reynolds

What's not common in the west? To be Graceful?

Damkerng T.

But isn't this a year of Monkey?

Jim Reynolds

5:58 PM

Hypernym!

Anonymous

Well, it's not 2015 anymore :-)

Jim Reynolds

A supra category?

Damkerng T.

Ahh

Jim Reynolds

It's not a new Chinese year yet.

This is still sheep/goat.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@DamkerngT. Eh, your Calendar app is old.

Damkerng T.

5:59 PM

I guess y'all are right. :D

Anonymous

When is the Chinese New Year?

Jim Reynolds

The Persian calendar is old, too, I'd guess.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Feb?

Damkerng T.

Early Feb, usually.

Anonymous

February 8

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

6:00 PM

@JimReynolds Old is not always crappy.

Anonymous

I looked it up!

Jim Reynolds

Feb 8

Anonymous

Last year it was February 19.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Feb 8, dammit

Anonymous

Y'all are slow.

Jim Reynolds

6:00 PM

Last Western year, or last Chinese year, it was?

O.O

Anonymous

Snails are faster than you.

Damkerng T.

It's based on a lunar calendar.

Jim Reynolds

Because in Chinese, Adam and Eve are from the moon.

Damkerng T.

robo-slow-mo-mode

Jim Reynolds

Squirts oil at Dam.

Damkerng T.

6:01 PM

Thanks!

Jim Reynolds

In English, we use the same word for water and hot water. Good illustration, snailb.

Anonymous

Thanks! I only know a few things, so I repeat them a lot. That's one of my go-to examples :-)

Jim Reynolds

What's an IE language?

Indo ..

That?

Like a family or category of languages, of which English is one?

Damkerng T.

@snailboat Ah, I can recall it now. That show on Discovery Channel is called Time Warp!

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@JimReynolds Internet Explorer's got its own language.

Jim Reynolds

6:09 PM

MAR !!!

Damkerng T.

@JimReynolds I guess it's Indian English.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

An IE language → Indo-European
IE → Possibly InE

Damkerng T.

nods

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@JimReynolds WHAT !!!! ???? !?!?

Anonymous

Indo-European, yeah.

Damkerng T.

6:10 PM

Context, context, context!

Anonymous

By the way, IndE and InE are two commonly used abbreviations for Indian English.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Please do not discriminate "I"s. They have all the right to be capitalized. — Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. 6 mins ago

Jim Reynolds

I'm reading snailboat's 2nd chat referenced recently

in English Language & Usage, Dec 9 '15 at 0:25, by snailboat

Just like how in Chinese caprids aren't generally distinguished from one another. You can talk about sheep or goats specifically, but people don't. So when you talk about the Year of the Sheep – or is it the Year of the Ram? – in English, things can get confusing :-)

Damkerng T.

@snailboat I guess Jim's IE was used for InE because I've seen it's been used that way several times on ELL.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@snailboat I despise 4 letter acronyms, initials, abbreviations (expect prep), or anything like that.

Damkerng T.

6:13 PM

I always feel weird when I hear people call it "Year of Sheep".

(It's always Goat over here.)

Jim Reynolds

My IE was Cerebrus's IE

O.O

Damkerng T.

Oh, now I wonder if this saying came from English: Have a goat rammed into a sheep

Jim Reynolds

Haha

well, I don't know what that could mean, but it's funny because ram has the double meaning.

Anonymous

In Japanese, it's Sheep.

Anonymous

Well, to be more precise, it's hitsuji, which means 'sheep'.

Jim Reynolds

6:16 PM

Then you also have your RAM, Dam.

Damkerng T.

It's a Thai saying (จับแพะชนแกะ), used for when someone read a little here and a little there and then says something as if they know stuff really well.

Jim Reynolds

So, is a sheep more valuable than a goat?

Or could it work just as well the other way?

ram?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

A valuable is more sheep than goat.

Damkerng T.

Another meaning, which I think is used more recently, is to pick stuff here and stuff there just to get away with the problem at hand.

Jim Reynolds

As in forced into?

MAR!!!

Damkerng T.

6:19 PM

@JimReynolds I think both mean something not really substantial, in the metaphor.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

ج!!!

Jim Reynolds

Did your parents have any children who lived?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@JimReynolds Who? Me?

I just soaked our TV remote. O_O

Jim Reynolds

Yes. That's supposed to be a clever insult, but even I don't know what it could possibly mean.

But do you feel insulted?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Yes.

You owe me a grand now.

Jim Reynolds

6:20 PM

Dances around the room.

Damkerng T.

@JimReynolds I'm sure Cerberus would use the standard IE.

Jim Reynolds

Internet Explorer?

Cerberus. Not Cerebrus.

Damkerng T.

Held Jim. Take Jim to MAR. :D

Jim Reynolds

Nooooooo!

He'll kick me.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Dissolves Jim in ج

Jim Reynolds

6:22 PM

Punch me.

Oh Cerberus and Cerebrus are alternative spellings of the same hound from Hell!

Who knew?

Damkerng T.

Hah!

Jim Reynolds

Time to go to bed.

Opens casket.

Night!

Closes casket.

Thud!

Damkerng T.

Good night!

Jim Reynolds

6:37 PM

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A: At what time I should / should I come tomorrow?

At what time should I come tomorrow? Is correct. We can also ask: I should come at what time tomorrow? But the first form is the most common. Please see "How it works?" vs. "How does it work?" for more information.

Reopened and answered, if quickly. Someone else can give it a better treatment.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Cook it with applesauce.

Damkerng T.

6:49 PM

Hmm... I don't know if StoneyB's bounty will bet a really good result.

> ell.stackexchange.com/q/65568/3281

> Students were absentminded when thinking about what to do when home from school early.

It sounds just weird to me.

"They're thinking about when home."?!

Some reductions don't sound quite right, I think, even though it should be possible, syntactically.

> You can not say the following:
- Students were absentminded, thinking what to do when get home early.
This is because it is not implied who you are talking about in the second part of the sentence.

Right conclusion, but with the wrong reason, I think.

If only I knew when we can omit it and it still sounds right...

(It's easy to find in grammar books that we can omit "subject + be".)

V.V.

7:27 PM

@DamkerngT., I have just read this question. It's impossible. What do you thbink?

Damkerng T.

@V.V. I'm sorry. What's impossible?

Ah, you mean When not a teacher, he lived a life of a monk, right?

V.V.

To omit a subject in this construction.

Damkerng T.

I think it's technically okay.

(In other words, I think it's an okay sentence, but I don't like it much.)

V.V.

Whenever I doubt anything, I read Swan PEU, he says ellipsis is possible in complex sentences with "and,but,or" in written speech. Coordinate (are they called so?)sentences

Damkerng T.

Oh, you have PEU. Good! -- A moment.

73.4

"Climb when ready."

V.V.

7:38 PM

That's imperative

Damkerng T.

"When ordering, please send $1.50 for postage and packing."

V.V.

Just the same.

Damkerng T.

It doesn't have to be an imperative sentence.

V.V.

Look at the example When.not a teacher...You have different verbs

Damkerng T.

Different verbs from what?

V.V.

7:42 PM

You have a subordinate clause.

Damkerng T.

"He handed them to her through the crack he created when opening the door."

V.V.

Different

Damkerng T.

Enlighten me.

V.V.

I got lost in your examples. We omit words to avoid repetition, right?

Damkerng T.

I don't think it's about avoiding repetition.

But you seem to have some ideas about the construction.

I'm not sure why you think my examples are different.

V.V.

7:47 PM

Then it's your turn to enlighten

Damkerng T.

I've given some examples, which I think are okay. Why would you think it's different (or in other words, my examples don't apply)?

49 mins ago, by Damkerng T.

(It's easy to find in grammar books that we can omit "subject + be".)

The idea of omitting "subject + be" in the reduced when-clause is pretty much it.

But that's only about syntax, imho. Reduced when-clauses don't always sound good (or even sound right).

V.V.

Look at 78.3 third edition

Damkerng T.

Hmm... my edition doesn't have 78.3 (and I thought it was the third ed., but I could be wrong).

What's the title of the sub-entry?

"reduced clauses with when and while", perhaps?

?

(If that's the case, it's 73.4 in my edition.)

Damkerng T.

8:09 PM

in English Language & Usage, 12 mins ago, by Frondor

I consider myself really bad at english, although today I passed with merits my PET exam :D But moments ago I was writting a comment on youtube, and realized that I really suck! So can someone tell me if this paragraph is ok?

in English Language & Usage, 12 mins ago, by Frondor

When I have a child, first thing I'm gonna do is install Need For Speed: Underground 2 on a Pentium 4, so he/she feels the same goosebumps I felt while driving under heavy rains, at the very late night, through the most beautiful city of the virtual worlds. Then, when he/she grows up and listens to this song, he/she shall feel the same nostalgic feeling I feel right now, it's more than beautiful! Thank you EA, Thank you QoTSA! You made my childhood even happier!

Hmm... I don't think it's that bad, and they could even pass FCE.

Then again, PET and FCE are not that different.

1

Q: Is this Liverpool dialect? "I wanna hold your hand"

I like this song "I wanna hold your hand" by The Beatles. Paul and John sing the phrase "I wanna hold your hand" as "I wanna hol'-your hand". Other cover singers sing it as "I wanna hol d-your hand" "I wanna hol'-your hand" is Liverpool or England dialect? Please tell me, thank you.

pronunciation dialect

There are 13 "hold you hand"s in the song!

(If I counted them right.)

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Might be a bit out of place, but I see it too important not to say it here: PLEASE DO NOT SUGGEST TAG WIKI EDITS IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE TAG REALLY MEANS AND PLEASE DO NOT PLAGIARIZE TAG WIKIS, ESPECIALLY NOT FROM WIKIPEDIA. Sorry, I'm not usually in all-caps, but bad wikis are really a nuisance. — Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. 43 secs ago

Damkerng T.

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. ♫ You know I love you. I'll always be true. ♫ -- youtube.com/watch?v=cEkMqXOuy3Q

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@DamkerngT. (づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ

Damkerng T.

8:26 PM

Whoo! The next song is my favorite: I Saw Her Standing There!

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

I rerererererelistened "Radioactive".

@Dam is this sentence grammatical?

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 19 secs ago, by Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

The only people that have a spare something are ones you don't want to have the spare.

Damkerng T.

A spare something?

I'm afraid it's not.

Hmm... maybe? With an omitted that?

"The only people that have a spare something are (the) ones (that) you don't want to have the spare."

(They are the ones you don't want them to have the spare.)

It sounds like it's missing something to me without any pronoun after want anyway.

Aww... In My Life...

Oh, I don't know if it's because I'm getting older, but the song seems to be more meaningful that I can remember.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Something spare would work, I think.

Damkerng T.

8:41 PM

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. I think "something spare" is okay. I just didn't have the context.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@DamkerngT. It's spammers.

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 29 mins ago, by Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Why are spammers asleep when I'm looking for flags?

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 13 mins ago, by Telkitty the Web Developer

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. how do you know that they are sleeping? maybe their machine broke down or maybe their internet connection was off

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 13 mins ago, by Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@TelkittytheWebDeveloper 'cause those never happen.

Damkerng T.

Hehe!

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 12 mins ago, by Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

The only people that have a spare something are ones you don't want to have the spare.

Nihilist_Frost

hue

Noun: hue ‎(plural hues)

(obsolete) Form; appearance; guise.
The characteristic related to the light frequency that appears in the color, for instance red, yellow, green, cyan, blue or magenta.
(figuratively) A character; aspect.
hue ‎(plural hues)
hue c (singular definite huen, plural indefinite huer)

(5 more not shown…)

Adverb: hue

today

Verb: hue ‎(imperative hu, infinitive at hue, present tense huer, past tense huede, past participle har huet)

in?(transitive) To please
hue

Interjection: hue!

yah!, cry to make (a) working animal(s) etc. advance or turn right
hue

does the audio recording use [hj] or [ç]?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

It's also an y helicopter.

Nihilist_Frost

8:45 PM

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. *a y helicopter

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@Nihilist_Frost I only hear a sneeze. O_O

@Nihilist_Frost I pronounced that as a vowel.

Nihilist_Frost

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. the Y letter is pronounced /waɪ/

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Actually, my speakers are set for a low volume and I can't turn them up right now.

@Nihilist_Frost Didn't pronounce it that way. (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

Damkerng T.

[ç] is voiceless alveolar affricate, right?

Nihilist_Frost

@DamkerngT. *voiceless palatal fricative

Damkerng T.

8:49 PM

Oh, it's voiceless palatal fricative!

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@DamkerngT. the voiceless blahblahblah

Nihilist_Frost

I misread.

Damkerng T.

What would [h] be?

Nihilist_Frost

@DamkerngT. voiceless glottal [something]. the [something] is disputed.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@DamkerngT. A helicopter landing sign improperly capitalized.

Damkerng T.

8:50 PM

@Nihilist_Frost Thanks!

Nihilist_Frost

Voiceless glottal fricative

The voiceless glottal fricative, sometimes called voiceless glottal transition, and sometimes called the aspirate, is a type of sound used in some spoken languages that patterns like a fricative or approximant consonant phonologically, but often lacks the usual phonetic characteristics of a consonant. The symbol in the International Phonetic Alphabet that represents this sound is ⟨h⟩, and the equivalent X-SAMPA symbol is h. Although [h] has been described as a voiceless vowel, because in many languages it lacks the place and manner of articulation of a prototypical consonant, it also lacks the...

Damkerng T.

My ear says it sounds like a [ç].

Let's see if I can tell the difference in spectrograms.

Confirmed. It's much closer to [ç]. I think it's a [ç].

Nihilist_Frost

what about this:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/huge?s=t

I don't hear enough trace of a /j/.

maybe [ç] too?

and this?

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/human

forvo.com/word/human/#en

Damkerng T.

Yes, I think it's possibly a [ç], too.

I think /j/ is definitely there.

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