The Nineteenth Byte

DLosc

00:00

Yeah, it's probably your best option. If you use it more than once or use something else from sys, you save bytes with from sys import*.

Redz

ok thanks

DLosc

(though of course your best option is to take inputs some other way, but I assume you have to use command-line args)

Redz

yeah it uses command line args

Unrelated String

00:41

@DLosc 🫂

Bbrk24

01:09

@Ginger Why are only some pronouns broken?

Ginger

I have no clue lmao

Bbrk24

Oh I see

Redz has "pronouns:" in her bio, DLosc doesn't

Jacob and I also have "pronouns:" and are also fine

UnrelatedString also doesn't have it and also has broken pronouns

noodle person

DLosc's pronouns work for me

Bbrk24

Are you using Glorfindel's userscript or Ginger's?

noodle person

Was there an update to the userscript that broke it or something?

Idk lemme check

Bbrk24

01:19

Not an update to the userscript, but to one of the APIs Ginger's version calls

noodle person

Trying to figure out which it is

Bbrk24

Ginger's would have "Reloaded" in the name

noodle person

Seems to be Glorfindel's yeah

It links to their github page in a comment

Why did Ginger make a version of the pronouns script in the first place?

Glorfindel's works fine for me

Bbrk24

@noodleperson It uses outdated DOM APIs and doesn't work in all browsers

noodle person

Hm

Does Ginger's use the same SE APIs but different DOM APIs? or different SE APIs too

Bbrk24

01:34

same SE APIs, different DOM APIs, but also other third-party APIs. and it's this last one that broke

noodle person

Ah

Bbrk24

en.pronouns.page/api/pronouns started returning an empty JSON object recently

Ginger

01:58

my attempt at fixing it did not in fact fix it

this will be a problem for tomorrow ginger

Simd

07:42

@att cool! Thank you

emanresu A

1

A: Create a Pride Flag

Kap - 62 bytes 58 characters gui:draw⊃⍪(1 0 0)(1 0.6 0)(1 1 0)(0 1 0)(0 0 1)(0.5 0 0.5) Try in the browser

Simd

@DLosc :)

emanresu A

new array lang just dropped

Adám

@emanresuA ?

RubenVerg

@emanresuA really interesting how it rescales automatically

> new

emanresu A

07:45

Okay yeah the first commit is 2019

But this is like the second answer in it here so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

RubenVerg

this one probably should be linked too then:

4

A: Create a Pride Flag

TinyAPL 0.9.0, 69 66 bytes (46 43 chars) ⎕DisplayImage 2÷⍨34⌿⍉◡⍉300⌿∧3‿6⍴3⊤373714568 Try it: TinyAPL REPL This is the first TinyAPL submission to CGCC! And, probably one of the first TinyAPL programs written by anyone other than RubenVerg, the language's creator :) Here's the resulting image: (o...

actually new array lang

emanresu A

Well yeah but I've known about tinyapl for a while, cool that it's functional enough now to be used here

RubenVerg

would've never expected for someone to actually pick it up and do stuff with it

emanresu A

Alright, I'ma go make an absolutely awful fizzbuzz in it, see you in half an hour

RubenVerg

@emanresuA I thought I had a Kap answer

maybe it was a cmc?

emanresu A

07:53

Probably, that and one older answer are the only two I can find that aren't referring to a user called "R. Kap"

uh does tinyapl have a modulo primitive

RubenVerg

dyad |

emanresu A

Ah, "remainder", I can't read :p

lyxal

@emanresuA kap? Fr fr?

Also, is jelly considered an array language?

(bridging a discussion from a couple of discord servers here)

Or rather, considered an array language given its use of ragged lists

Adám

08:32

@lyxal k

emanresu A

09:16

@emanresuA (@RubenVerg) oh my gosh it actually works

It took me far too long to figure out how to concatenate a list of boxed arrays (and the way I did it is cursed)

RubenVerg

@emanresuA first catenate each reduce

I'll have a Join primitive soon though

emanresu A

Yeah I saw that

Also format would be nice, currently I have converting to base 10 and adding '0' to each digit

RubenVerg

also soon(:

> ⍋100⌿1

I hope you were going for intentionally cursed here

emanresu A

also range would be nice

That is genuinely the shortest way I could think of to create a range from 1 to 100

RubenVerg

...iota

emanresu A

09:27

If it works it works

RubenVerg

TinyAPL 1 is IO 1

@emanresuA soon™

emanresu A

@RubenVerg Which primitive is that? I'm not particularly familiar with APLs

RubenVerg

the one that looks like an iota

I think in the docs it's "index generator"

emanresu A

Ah

RubenVerg

docs for range have an implementation if you want non-starting-with-1 ranges

while there's no primitive of course

Themoonisacheese

09:34

monthly "please can we pretty please throw ARM into the sun" rant

Ginger

12:09

@Themoonisacheese :(

Ginger

12:44

apparently the vscode python plugin can detect version-gated dead code

Themoonisacheese

isn't it just that sys.version_info is a constant?

so the dead-code checker can easily detect that that if will never be true

Ginger

ah, makes sense

Themoonisacheese

i mean that's still a good thing to have

Ginger

me and aiohttp's cookie system are having a Time

RubenVerg

13:13

rydwolf is the Who's Typing server public? I'd like to integrate it in the dzaima/chat client for SE chat and wouldn't want to send 10000 malformed messages to the socket

Themoonisacheese

i've been spending the day reading code-bowling qs and i'm having a blast

only slightly interrupted by arm's ineptitude in fullfilling contractual obligations

Ginger

@RubenVerg it's not ~~unless you're me~~ but the protocol isn't very complicated

RubenVerg

haven't read through the code yet

Ginger

13:40

@Ginger apparently filter_cookies nukes a bunch of metadata that chat needs

so I guess I get to do it the hard way

noodle person

14:24

@Ginger ~~no, you're ginger and aiohttp's cookie system~~

att

14:36

@Redz code.golf/wiki/langs/python has a comment on that

The Empty String Photographer

14:50

A Vyxal interpreter can be made in just 1 byte!

In Vyxal, at least.

Themoonisacheese

so can a bash interpreter in 5 bytes

that's not exactly groundbreaking

Unrelated String

Jelly can interpret Python in 0 bytes :P

RubenVerg

15:30

getting 500s when requesting for /ws-auth from the chat library

@Ginger would you happen to know why this happens?

(sorry for asking so much stuff about se chat)

Ginger

@RubenVerg you're probably not providing the cookies it wants

Unrelated String

@Bbrk24 Probably just caching's fault but I added it and it's still broken

Ginger

the three important ones are acct (set by logging into QA), prov (set by logging into QA), and sechatusr (chat.stackexchange) / chatusr (chat.stackoverflow, chat.meta.stackexchange) (set by requesting a chat page with acct and prov set)

RubenVerg

have all three

haven't even changed anything and it worked until like 15 minutes ago

Ginger

your cookies might be expired

RubenVerg

15:43

even if i remove all the cached cookies

Ginger

idk then :p

make sure your cookies are correct, because 500s are caused by cookie issues (I think)

RubenVerg

hmm, it's something i changed because rolling back to last commit works correctly

i... have no idea. i changed the code to something i thought'd be equivalent but clearly it wasn't

RubenVerg

16:36

@Ginger sometimes when connecting to the socket i get events for my own messages and sometimes (more rarely) i don't; is there any way to control it?

Ginger

16:49

@RubenVerg you should always get events for messages you sent (and any other action you triggered)

Seggan

@RubenVerg can confirm this happens in my kotlin version too

Ginger

17:11

new sechat version just dropped

it's a bit more sane now :p

still needs docs though

RubenVerg

17:33

@Seggan have you found a workaround?

Seggan

sending a message returns the message, i just store that sent message

RubenVerg

does it always send the event for edits? because edits don't reply with the new message

which matters because you send markdown and you get back html

@Ginger anything i should know about or is it all UX stuff?

Ginger

18:00

@RubenVerg uhhhhh

mostly UX stuff yeah :p

and I changed the login process slightly

Sandbox Posts

20:25

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

(For Sandbox) Notes/Possible concerns about this challenge I am planning on mentioning this in the actual question, however I would like to say that this is in fact based off of Iterated Prisoner's Trilemma by SIGSTACKFAULT. Sorry if it seems like I am directly copying from them. The main diffe...

The Empty String Photographer

20:50

@Ginger I don’t think you’ve released it yet

Ginger

?

The Empty String Photographer

@Ginger github.com/gingershaped/sechat/releases/tag/v1.1.2

Ginger

oh yeah

The Empty String Photographer

Latest release on GitHub is still 1.1.2

Ginger

I'm doing a rolling release type thing

att

20:54

👀

Ginger

because every time something breaks I have to patch sechat, so no point making releases when I'm pretty much the only one using it

The Empty String Photographer

Idk why it thinks I want to reply to your message when I open up chat

@att

att

I'm flattered

lyxal

21:19

@att no, you're att

att

@lyxal which is in fact part of flattered

emanresu A

4

checks out

lyxal

@att "which" in "flattered" returns false for me

ATaco

@lyxal Clearly this is meant to be which in flattered, where which is an element of the list, flattered

att

@lyxal your interpreter might be faulty

ATaco

21:31

"flattered\0which" // <-- Tehe

Redz

this deserves a comic

Ginger

citation needed

:p

ATaco

21:49

CMC: Show off your favourite toy language.

(Ideally that you wrote)

@lyxal Vyxal doesn't count

Ginger

github.com/gingershaped/makina

lyxal

@ATaco Vyxal 3

ATaco

👁‍🗨👁‍🗨

lyxal

Vyxal without a number refers to v2

So v3 is fair game :p

ATaco

github.com/Vyxal/Vyxal

That looks like Vyxal to me

lyxal

21:58

Because it links all versions

If you've ever seen a vyxal answer here you'd see that numberless is 2, with the 3 is 3 :p

@ATaco other than that, I don't really find my old toy languages interesting tbh

ATaco

I'm sure Vyxal is a great language to play with

But barrier to entry

DLosc

@ATaco See, I'm immediately questioning the exact definitions of some of those words, because my answer's going to be different. What counts as a toy language? (If it's "not for practical use," that's all of my languages.) And do you want to see my overall favorite, or my favorite that hasn't gotten much attention on this site?

ATaco

For the purposes, "language you toy with"

But if you've got a hidden gem, that's interesting too

DLosc

22:19

Ok, so the one I think is most elegant is Bitcycle.

It has very few primitives and thus is quick to learn, but it's hard to master, due to being a 2D Turing tarpit. Writing a working program feels like an accomplishment, golfing it even more so, and it's great fun to just watch it run.

(That's from my answer to Is this a Permutation of 1..n.)

The "hidden gem" (more like "diamond so much in the rough that it hasn't left the mine yet") is FunStack, which puts a different twist on functional stack-based languages by keeping a stack of functions rather than a stack of values. It ends up feeling somewhat like a tacit language (and in fact it draws significant inspiration from BQN), even though its syntax is very different under the hood.

Seggan

22:36

@ATaco Recipe, an assembly language to Chef

currently writing a C-like lang to Recipe

ATaco

My personal fave toy language has been a language that compiles to a barely-existant bytecode that was designed to be easily runnable in Brainfuck

At some point I stopped supporting the Brainfuck portion though, so now it sort of just, exists.

lyxal

22:59

@ATaco then none

I don't use my other 3 esolangs, so I can't say I toy with them

ATaco

Expected to hear as much, Vyxal is just so high-profile

noodle person

23:14

I've made some suggestions that got added to Uiua, does that count? :p

lyxal

@ATaco my choices are Befunge-like but worse, Brainfuck-like but worse, basically-every-first-attempt-at-a-stacklang but worse, and large scale golflang :p

not much variety :p

ATaco

basically-every-first-attempt-at-a-stacklang? Did you mean: RProgN

emanresu A

23:38

None of my esolangs are particularly high-effort but Positionally's neat I guess

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