The Nineteenth Byte

Unrelated String

01:08

@UnrelatedString ...I wonder if there's anywhere it would be useful to adicity-coerce ¤...

Ahahahahaahahahaha

That is EVIL

Unfortunately it's not straightforward with stuff like / because it parses as the optional nilad argument instead

But I have proven it possible

Would either have to be something that already has a leading nilad, or something where there's conflict over what gets to be its own line and an extra grouping quick won't cut it

Because at worse it does work to prepend ⁸

caird coinheringaahin g

01:33

Fun fact, I'm doing a "powerpoint night" with my friends, and have decided to subject them to a presentation on code golf :P

Unrelated String

Oh boy

I've always been afraid of presentation nights but that sounds amazing

Seggan

03:04

@cairdcoinheringaahing ...what on earth is powerpoiñt night

Oi android keyboard messing up my n lol

caird coinheringaahin g

@Seggan A bunch of us are making presentations on whatever we want, then presenting them to each other

Seggan

Interesting idea actually

The Empty String Photographer

08:03

e-mail -> electronic mail
g-mail -> garbage mail

New Posts

08:22

0

Q: Is it a date format of YYMMDD, MMDDYY, and/or DDMMYY?

The date format varies between countries; the arrangement of date, month and year can be categorized into these three: Year-month-date Month-date-year Date-month-year In Gregorian calendar it's year of 2024 now (at this point I publish this problem); we often shorten the notation of year by usi...

rydwolf

11:07

@TheEmptyStringPhotographer I think you mean geloctronic mail

The Empty String Photographer

@rydwolf Geloctronic? Does it send vibrations through jelly?

mousetail

11:42

-3

Q: I want to use list in Processing Python

When I use list in Processing(python), def draw doesnt works class Ball(object): def __init__(self,x,y): self.x = 0 self.y=0 def setup(): size(500,500) background(255) balls=list() #balls.append(Ball(0,0)) balls.append([0,0]) def draw(): background(255...

python processing

Somehow 3 answers that don't really understand python

Or maybe I've been Cunningham'ed

Themoonisacheese

> To fix, simply declare the balls variable outside the function

mousetail

> To fix your code, you must become biologically male

emanresu A

Why do they have a ball class that's never used

mousetail

There is a commented out use

Themoonisacheese

porbably because it didn't work a reverted to a simpler use

emanresu A

11:50

Also uh no tio.run/##K6gsycjPM/7/…

Themoonisacheese

@mousetail your answer is correct, but setup and draw must be global functions in processing

The Empty String Photographer

Also there is something that made me laugh although it was a bad answer:

-4

A: For the fourth time, I don’t know what to buy!

How about BANANA because he has constipation and if you dont buy him something with rich in fibre he may break youre bathroom cubicle

Themoonisacheese

they are in your example of course, but that's why they're not member functions

mousetail

I must assume if python required declaring variables we wouldn't have wasted so much of societies time on scoping issues and invented flying cars instead by now

Themoonisacheese

facts

emanresu A

11:53

^

Themoonisacheese

back in the 2010's I remember reading a factoid about how if windows command prompt had tab-complete and case-sensitive parsing since the beggining, humanity would have saved xxx years

probably false and definitely impossible to prove but it made me think of that

@mousetail if JS's this was good also

mousetail

For sure

And obviously null but that's been discussed to death already

Neil

@Themoonisacheese windows nt command prompt has always had tab complete, but you had to turn it on manually

Themoonisacheese

NT isn't exactly "the beggining"

The Empty String Photographer

12:40

I wanna see Vyxal freeze from inactivity

The chat room

lyxal

today is your lucky day

The Empty String Photographer

I said from inactivity!

lyxal

in Vyxal, 51 secs ago, by Feeds

This room was 100% legit frozen from inactivity trust me bro

what more do you want?

The Empty String Photographer

It was only 2 days!

So that must be false!

I’m not intellectually disabled!

lyxal

it says "100% legit"

and to trust it

I think you just won't accept the truth

The Empty String Photographer

12:45

That’s exactly what a liar would say!

lyxal

that's exactly what a truth denier would say

The Empty String Photographer

lyxal’s nose grows. 🤥

lyxal

now you're the liar

can't trust anything you say

Themoonisacheese

gaslighting? in your SE chat? it's more likely than you think!
FREE PC CHECK!

lyxal

My lamp uses electricity thank you very much

Themoonisacheese

12:49

that makes it powered by natural gas, coal, and oil

the brits call oil gas, therefore 66% gas-lit

(yes i went to the trouble of looking up where you're from, then looking up enery generation by source in australia)

(the wikipedia article on "Energy in Australia" is very nice)

lyxal

@Themoonisacheese oil, coal, gas, and renewables

so only 50%

energy.gov.au/sites/default/files/2024-08/…

where we're going, we don't need wikipedia

@Themoonisacheese *energy

Themoonisacheese

if you want to cite that document, it lists:
black coal
brown coal
natural gas
oil and ngl
LPG
renewables

lyxal

that's still 50%

Themoonisacheese

shit

lyxal

yep :p

almost as if the table I was referencing collated those into 4 categories :p

Themoonisacheese

12:56

(yes but i thought the other table supported my artificial argument)

(but i am bad at counting)

lyxal

no, you're Themoonisacheese

Themoonisacheese

you'd think so but actually

these graphs are... sad

Unrelated String

:(

Themoonisacheese

for a country that's like 90% desert you'd think finding a spot for solar wouldn't be so hard in australia, instead they just offset their coal with gas

lyxal

Gen Z Courtroom

►

rydwolf

13:40

Is genAI.se getting some sort of HNQ boost? How the hell did this hit HNQ

Ginger

I'd believe it

rydwolf

genAI.se is still such a goofy site

Even its icon appears not-like-the-others and unserious

lyxal

@rydwolf granted, it's near the bottom of the list

I think it's a natural selection

rydwolf

A single answer with two upvotes surely can't make HNQ, right?

lyxal

1

Q: Anchor Package Registry down?

Is the Anchor Package Registry discontinued or replaced by another registry? I tried visiting https://api.apr.dev with no valid response.

anchor

1 upvote on the answer

while it's accepted, it (by the looks of things) weighs about the same as 2 upvotes

> Note that I do not weight an accepted answer very heavily. This is intentional, as I feel accepted answers are a fine social contract, but not necessarily a good data point for question or answer quality.

(Jeff StackOverflow said that - source)

+ slow network day

rydwolf

13:49

Does site size factor in or something?

lyxal

there's apparently site size weighting, but that seems mostly tilted for SO/software engineering

mousetail

I know SO specifically gets a penalty but IDK if there is a difference for the rest of the sites

lyxal

48

A: How are questions in the 'hot' tab on a site selected?

What formula should be used to determine "hot" questions? Based on my analysis of the above and the comments so far, here's the second version of what I have implemented so far. This might suck. I don't know: (log(Qviews)*4) + ((Qanswers * Qscore)/5) + sum(Ascores) ------------------------------...

rydwolf

I almost never see SO HNQs, I think the weighting for it is too strong

mousetail

When SO gets a HNQ it's usually a really interesting question though

rydwolf

13:51

That's true yeah

Today seems to be a rather un-rigorous day for the HNQs. Saw a pretty egregious Worldbuilding one a minute ago, and now this:

7

Q: Seinfeldisms in O.R

Let's see how well O.R. people can laugh at themselves and their profession. The resulting self-reflection and introspection might make them better at O.R. If Jerry Seinfeld were an O.R. guy, what observations would he make about the everyday trivial, mundane, and absurd things in O.R.? O.R. prac...

comedy sarcasm

mousetail

The alien pathology or the military one?

rydwolf

The military one

Bbrk24

I keep wondering who the blue guy is and then checking usernames

mousetail

I prefer the blue guy to the previous chat room regular

lyxal

smh should be blywolf

rydwolf

14:00

I think I may now have the most messages in TNB history

mousetail

Beowulf

Beowulf (; Old English: Bēowulf [ˈbeːowuɫf]) is an Old English epic poem in the tradition of Germanic heroic legend consisting of 3,182 alliterative lines. It is one of the most important and most often translated works of Old English literature. The date of composition is a matter of contention among scholars; the only certain dating is for the manuscript, which was produced between 975 and 1025 AD. Scholars call the anonymous author the "Beowulf poet". The story is set in pagan Scandinavia in the 5th and 6th centuries. Beowulf, a hero of the Geats, comes to the aid of Hrothgar, the king of the...

Unrelated String

@Bbrk24 Same

I actually mix him up with you sometimes

lyxal

ngl I keep thinking he's user

Unrelated String

lmao

rydwolf

@rydwolf Yep, I do, and by quite a lot too

a spaghetto had the #1 spot with 61k

And I'm at 68k

lyxal

14:05

@rydwolf somehow this user is also RO of CHQ. This network gets smaller every day

mousetail

Time to make a new account and try to catch up to yourself

lyxal

@lyxal there's no escaping the rabbithole that is SE.chat lore

rydwolf

I am the equivalent of 42 average TNB users in volume of messages sent

mousetail

Who has the most total stars?

rydwolf

ooh that's a good question

Give me a sec

mousetail

14:09

I'm guessing you followed by Adam

rydwolf

idk about that, have you seen how star-crazy this room was in the olden times?

My guess is doorknob

lyxal

^^

mousetail

Possible

lyxal

are we talking total stars, or total starred messages?

mousetail

Total stars

rydwolf

14:11

I'll count both

lyxal

> The photons no exist. The light no moves.

-1

Q: ¿The photons do exist really?

The photons no exist. The light no moves. Is transmitted by electromagnetic resonance. It can be showed the atoms are electromagnetic resonators, that can be tuned (sintonized) ,so transmitting energy, in "quantized" steps. This phenomen is knew as un "photon".https://t.me/luiscabj666/922

photons

gotta be one of the questions of all time

mousetail

When I was trying to learn quantum theory, I spoke like that too

Bbrk24

@rydwolf That one message with over 130 stars is still the most starred individual message right?

rydwolf

I believe so

mousetail

The "Stop abusing stars" message by Doorknob

rydwolf

14:26

Okay, should be about 10-20 minutes to scrape all the data

oop never mind, errored

mousetail

I'm going through all the past starred messages and past me is hilarous

Unrelated String

My stars are mid as hell LMAO

rydwolf

ooh it's due to this very very strange message:

Jun 20, 2018 at 2:19, by Anonymous

MathJax is re-enabled for PPCG. \$ is the inline delimiter.

There is literally no user ID

It's truly anonymous

Unrelated String

Wow

lyxal

the madlad

rydwolf

14:31

TIL that's a thing

lyxal

(presumably)

mousetail

Sep 20, 2022 at 20:06, by Radvylf Programs

@cairdcoinheringaahing Personally I think instead of making our requests CGCC-specific, we should demand that byte leaderboards are added to all sites, to encourage the spread of golfing skills :p

We should follow up on this

lyxal

@rydwolf a result of an account being deleted network wide

rydwolf

Also to provide some numbers for how star-crazy TNB used to be, the last six years are only 40 of 652 pages of starred messages

@lyxal ohhhhhhh

lyxal

yeah

that was sent by Mego

Unrelated String

14:33

Oh that makes a lot more sense

rydwolf

Yup, makes sense

We may end up with null having a surprisingly high ranking then :p

Since all deleted users will be lumped into a single one since they're impossible to differentiate as a regular user

mousetail

I'd also be interested in the top of the past 5 years

Unrelated String

@UnrelatedString ...Come to think of it, a legal name change is one way to do this :P

lyxal

@rydwolf *network deleted

Unrelated String

Jul 23, 2021 at 3:47, by Unrelated String

i should make it my life goal to be below no more than ten results for earrings in search results

lyxal

14:36

looks like you achieved it :p

rydwolf

I'm assuming you mean your IRL name, but interestingly, if you google "unrelated string" your account (on English of all sites) is the second search result

which is crazy for such a like, vague and generic [no offense] term

Unrelated String

Amazing

I'm not surprised I'm somewhere on the first page but

mousetail

I guess your name is unrelated to earrings now

Unrelated String

ENGLISH?

And then my CGCC meta user is #4

rydwolf

at page 200 now, nearly a third of the way

Unrelated String

14:39

I am still fond of this one

Feb 24, 2023 at 13:02, by Unrelated String

clearly int stands for... uh... I/O and Number Type

lyxal

something you want to tell us?

rydwolf

...til someone else in human history has used that username

time to choose a new one

lyxal

rydwolf

and of course it's a furry

lyxal

when next stream?

Unrelated String

14:40

😭

lyxal

@rydwolf on multiple sites too :p

rydwolf

guess who's letting four domains lapse this october

mousetail

Both of us?

Unrelated String

pensive emoji

rydwolf

Lesson learned: don't choose a username on the internet with any sort of animal in it

lyxal

14:42

Lyxal the movie

►

3

from 2010

mousetail

I've had no real issues with my name despite the animal

lyxal

@lyxal haven't actually watched this lol

rydwolf

Disclaimer to future generations: While I, Ryan Tosh, future president of the united states, have for some time gone by the name "Rydwolf", with or without a capitalized R, I am not in any way associated with any "RydWolf" with a capitalized W

There we go, should be fine now

mousetail

@RydWolf

Ginger

@lyxal WHAT is that favicon

ಠ_ಠ

rydwolf

14:44

@rydwolf okay shit this actually sounds more suspicious

Unrelated String

:P

lyxal

@rydwolf you're gonna laugh

(it's a furry site)

(kudos to the people who invented incognito)

rydwolf

Ah is that what happened to Wzl?

3

uh oh that starred message might have just thrown off my whole data collection lol

I think it would cause a double count not a skip though, so I can easily compensate for it

(almost there btw, 500/650 pages of starred messages scraped)

also apparently the scraping is actually loading images:

> cat_juice

Ginger

D:

Unrelated String

phenomenal

Themoonisacheese

14:58

@rydwolf what was wrong with it i thought it was quite nice

rydwolf

gist.github.com/ryanTosh/84e565fe615972ebb4fc7dce25bd904a

lyxal

@lyxal I clicked on this and it said it had 69 views. Legally, no one is allowed to watch "Lyxal the movie" ever again

rydwolf

578 users have had messages starred

(assuming all network deleted users count as a single user)

mousetail

Now to correlate user IDs with user names

rydwolf

Okay in terms of number of starred messages (not stars), the top users are:

1. Alex A. (1791)

2. Geobits (1506)

3. Network deleted (1309)

4. Dennis (1134)

Ginger

15:05

@rydwolf I have the opposite problem: there are so many people named ginger that I get security through obscurity

rydwolf

5. Doorknob (1055)

And everyone else is below 1k (I'm #10)

Themoonisacheese

how do you even get 1k messages starred

lyxal

funny how code golf mods from the golden days have the most starred :p

@Themoonisacheese ^

rydwolf

Now I'll do a top 10 by star count, which should be the most interesting

Themoonisacheese

huh

lyxal

15:06

(geobits excluded)

Themoonisacheese

i have a very respectable 2 messages starred thank you very much

mousetail

Are you willing to share the script you used to generate the list?

rydwolf

1. Dennis (4755)
2. Alex A. (4418)
3. [Network deleted] (4135)
4. Geobits (3943)
5. Doorknob (3438)
6. caird coinheringaahin g (3108)
7. Martin Ender (2656)
8. rydwolf (me!) (2547)
9. DJMcMayhem (2382)
10. mınxomaτ (2368)

@mousetail Sure:

const starredMessages = [];

function parseStarredMessage(monologue) {
    const username = monologue.querySelector(".username").querySelector("a");
    const user = username ? username.href.match(/\d+/g)[0] : null;
    const id = Number(monologue.querySelector(".message").id.split("-")[1]);
    const stars = Number(monologue.querySelector(".times").textContent || "1");

    starredMessages.push({ user, id, stars });
}

(async function() {
    for (let i = 1; i <= 652; i++) {
        console.log(i);

Then I just deduped by ids and counted

mousetail

I want to find messages for the last 5 years only

rydwolf

Oh that should be easy, gimme a sec

5549 starred messages since 5 years ago

lemme analyze them

Okay, by number of messages:

1. rydwolf (767)
2. caird coinheringaahin g (752)
3. lyxal (483)
4. hyper-neutrino (305)
5. user (295)

And by number of stars:

1. caird coinheringaahin g (2694)
2. rydwolf (2547)
3. lyxal (1810)
4. hyper-neutrino (1063)
5. Adám (961)
6. user (900)
7. Ginger (851)
8. pxeger (795)
9. emanresu A (707)
10. DLosc (598)

mousetail

15:18

Adam is further down than I expected

rydwolf

idk, this order didn't surprise me much

I'm gonna rank by stars/message now

okay lots of outliers lol

mousetail

People with just one message?

Are you dividing by total messages or total starred messages?

rydwolf

total starred, total messages is a good idea but not in my data

Ginger

I should bring my chat message DB up to date

so we have a way to run queries like this :p

Bbrk24

What about TST? I feel like I was more active there than here

rydwolf

15:35

Yeah I thought about that, not sure if the numbers would be much compared to TNB's though

Unrelated String

You could compare them for just the period of time where both were active

rydwolf

Yeah true

mousetail

15:46

We don't really seem to bookmark conversations nearly as much as we used to

Just 8 this year

Unrelated String

Conversation bookmarks are such a forgettable feature

The Empty String Photographer

17:18

Spam

flag it

(I flagged as blatantly off topic tho)

The Empty String Photographer

17:38

Why were you all spamming?

hyper-neutrino

@rydwolf i'm much higher up on this than i expected (for both)

3

rydwolf

18:07

You do have a pretty large number of messages, up there with me and a lot of the old-school PPCG people, so it's probably just a slow and steady wins the race kinda thing

ooh one thing that'd be neat is a sort of super-starboard: a list of the people with the most stars, where the value of those stars decays over time

@TheEmptyStringPhotographer tbf this isn't spam, just someone lost

Ginger

I'm surprised I'm in the top 10

rydwolf

TOP TEN users of the nineteenth byte (*number 7 will surprise you!*)

Unrelated String

LMAO

Ginger

real

rydwolf

@Ginger One person still has you beat in that regard, though :p (glares at user)

I'm this close to memorizing their user ID lol

Well I guess "user ID" is a bit redundant in this case

Ginger

18:19

my chat ID is 533049, I know it off the top of my head :p

I think yours is 254514?

nope

rydwolf

347075 I think?

nailed it 😎

Ginger

lyxal's is 354515, that's what I was confusing it with

rydwolf

oh lyxal and I are super close, I forgot

Ginger

what messing with chat does to a person

rydwolf

we're all permanently damaged

I had to implement the entire cookie RFC in JS once for the Node.js iteration of NPSP

Ginger

18:25

WHAT

rydwolf

I do not fear death, nor what comes after. I have looked into the eyes of RFC 6265's server-side date format parsing requirements, and defeated it.

6

mousetail

Why does YAML have a legacy 3-char character extension even though that hasn't been required since windows 3.0 while JSON, a much older format, does not

rydwolf

Aesthetics, probably. Three-character file extensions just feel more techy, like how "xyz.com" or "xyz.net" sounds more techy than "xyz.hotel" or "xyz.golf" (for domains)

idk why I picked a second example that also is formatted as \w+\.\w+ lmao

user

@rydwolf I was going to complain that 5 years is too much, I've only been here for a couple years but holy heck, I've been here for over 4 years

Something something time flies when you're on drugs

Or you fly when time is on drugs I guess

Unrelated String

Same difference

...wow 5 years here too

user

18:37

@mousetail I prefer typing .yml to typing .yaml

rydwolf

time flies when you of drugs the cold food out drugs the hot food smoke the food

user

Well said

The Empty String Photographer

My chat ID starts with a 5 I think

Let me look it up

540406

rydwolf

Protip, you can find it just by clicking on your (or someone else's) pfp somewhere in chat, and hovering the "user profile" link

The Empty String Photographer

Not on mobile

rydwolf

18:39

assuming your browser does the thing where the URL it points to is in the bottom left

@TheEmptyStringPhotographer ah fair enough

The Empty String Photographer

You can’t even hover on mobile

rydwolf

On FF at least, pressing and holding opens a preview that (IIRC) shows the full URI as well

The Empty String Photographer

Why has Chat.SE removed the (more text) thing at the bottom of long messages?

rydwolf

They almost certainly didn't, you just need newlines in your message IIRC

wait hmm

did they??

The Empty String Photographer

> chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/66220645#66220645

rydwolf

18:44

did they change chat (surely not?) or is this just a mandela effect

The Empty String Photographer

@rydwolf what about xyz.xyz

rydwolf

Didn't include that one but it would be perceived as less techy since it's not one of the "original" TLDs

The Empty String Photographer

Which Paralympic team do you all support?

I support team GB

mousetail

Poland

The Empty String Photographer

Huh. I thought you were Dutch.

mousetail

18:54

You are not british right?

The Empty String Photographer

I am…

mousetail

Oh congratulations

4

The Empty String Photographer

???

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