The Nineteenth Byte

The Empty String Photographer

20:00

I have 0 hours :)

(:

Ginger

I feel like now I have to start checking people's bios more often :p

The Empty String Photographer

Which way do you think the smiley face should be?

emanresu A

Don't you have the pronouns userscript?

Ginger

well yes but actually no

Bbrk24

I remember seeing this one graph where the X axis was "autistic fanbase" and the Y axis was "amount of lore"
There were a lot of things in the top right
and then in the bottom right was Factorio

Ginger

20:01

you may recall that my setup™ is cursed as all hell

The Empty String Photographer

Btw I’m not trans, if my monkey pronouns led to believe you otherwise

Bbrk24

Your username + pronouns take up six lines of text on my screen

Ginger

would you mind, like, changing those pronouns to something that doesn't take up an inch of screenspace? please?

Bbrk24

Ginger

if it's a joke it's not a funny one

Bbrk24

20:03

...wait wut
I just noticed my computer is showing the ethernet symbol rather than the wifi symbol in the bottom right even though the connection is wireless

Ginger

wireless ethernet, it's all the rage

@Ginger so whether or not I have the userscript available depends on a lot of things :p

@Ginger @TheEmptyStringPhotographer to be clear, I'm asking you to do this

Unrelated String

@Bbrk24 It’s taken me a while to really own my body preferences and otherwise figure out what out of the things I experience is and isn’t actually dysphoria, but I have gained more confidence in my own identity (and in knowing that cis people actually exist LMAO) from exchanges about other aspects of gender and “feeling right” with gendered attributes/interactions

Ginger

@Bbrk24 satisfactory would be in the middle right, plasma and its ilk would be with factorio but probably closer to the left

Rydwolf Programs

@Ginger @TheEmptyStringPhotographer As an RO I'm seconding this

The Empty String Photographer

Wdym by seconding

Rydwolf Programs

20:06

I'm agreeing

The Empty String Photographer

better look it up

Oh

Rydwolf Programs

Please change it, it's an abuse of a tool that makes an assumption of good faith

And it worsens other peoples' experience in chat for no real reason

Unrelated String

^

It creates these huge gaps that cripple readability

Ginger

^^, ^

emanresu A

^

The Empty String Photographer

20:09

Changed.

Ginger

thank you

emanresu A

Thanks

Rydwolf Programs

...that's not much better

The Empty String Photographer

now shorter but still a joke

Rydwolf Programs

How about just not making pronouns into a joke

Ginger

20:09

frankly I don't think pronouns should contain jokes at all, unless you actually want us to use subject/object as your pronouns

Bbrk24

I had to reload the page for it to even take effect anyways

emanresu A

@UnrelatedString It's interesting looking back at some of my past actions and realising there were signs even then

Ginger

one of my userscripts is spamming the console with debugging messages ಠ_ಠ

Unrelated String

IKR

Ginger

I think it's Who's Typing

emanresu A

20:10

whos typign?

Ginger

glares at rydwolf

Rydwolf Programs

@Ginger That'd be who's typing lol

emanresu A

(also turns out humans are very good at explaining away dysphoria)

Unrelated String

And it’s stuff you, like, had different rationalizations for

Ginger

@emanresuA TRUE

Unrelated String

20:10

YEAH LMAO

Ginger

I think this is a universal experience for gender nonconforming folks

Unrelated String

Some of it I literally rationalized as being too much of a man

The Empty String Photographer

Now they’re still a joke, but the same length as they/them

Bbrk24

I have a couple experiences which were very obviously dysphoria but idt I've shared all of them

The Empty String Photographer

so no cluttering now

emanresu A

20:11

@Ginger Comment out lines 102/107

Unrelated String

“I have zero interest in men’s clothing and actively dislike shopping for it? Of course a real man doesn’t have time for that girly-ass bullshit”

Ginger

I think there's a race condition in TW2 :|
the send file button is weirdly inconsistent about when it appears

Rydwolf Programs

I think even the cissest of men hate buying mens' clothes tbf

Unrelated String

See that’s what I THOUGHT

Ginger

might actually be tampermonkey being buggy

...or edge
god I hate edge

Unrelated String

20:13

But some of them actually think some of it looks good on them, or just get excited about the fit or other practical things

Bbrk24

@Ginger I had to switch to ViolentMonkey because whichever one I previously used for Firefox didn't play nice with all of my userscripts

Ginger

violentmonkey is like the edgy alternative one right

the mill of userscript managers

Unrelated String

(also you probably know this but a lot of trans men go CRAZY over cargo pants)

Ginger

cargo pants are peak

The Empty String Photographer

🐵🔪 📝

Ginger

20:14

I'll stand by this belief till the day I die

Rydwolf Programs

I've had a discussion in person once about userscript managers and oh boy did we get some weird looks

Ginger

I also like jeans! a lot of transfems I know don't for some reason

(although tbf I hadn't realized last winter, so maybe I'll like them less)

Bbrk24

I love cargo shorts because the button/zipper pockets are great for amusement parks and I used to live really close to Kings Island

emanresu A

I'm that kid who almost exclusvely wears trackpants

Rydwolf Programs

Y'know I could probably pull off black cargo pants if I paired it with a jacket or something

emanresu A

20:16

... add that to the list of "things I should've noticed a long time ago"

Rydwolf Programs

I own seven identical pairs of pants and that's it

They're just black dress pants with pretty large front pockets, so they work well with basically anything

Unrelated String

@Ginger I used to hate jeans but I’ve warmed up to them

Turns out there’s a LOT of different ways jeans can be cut

Ginger

~~warming up is what they're for, yes~~

Unrelated String

And the reason I used to hate them wasn’t even hating how they looked on me as much as it was

Bbrk24

I wore jeans pretty much exclusively (except in the summer) throughout middle school and high school

Unrelated String

20:18

- half the only pair I ever tried being way too tight

- half internalized misogyny + seasonal outrage over pre-ripped jeans or whatever making me feel like I had an obligation to hate women’s jeans which I instinctively equated with all jeans because they were the only jeans I actually cared about :P

@emanresuA Yeah I didn’t even realize this was a thing until after I cracked LMAO

Or I was kind of aware of it but didn’t connect the dots

emanresu A

mhm

It was just "what I was comfortable in"

Unrelated String

Like I didn’t feel like only wearing athletic pants made me feel better about my body or anything (even though I always kind of knew I liked how they hid my leg hair even though I convinced myself I liked my leg hair and only wanted to shave it because it’s a pain to clean)

It was just something I was in a habit of doing and didn’t see any reason to change

Rydwolf Programs

ugh Vite just suddenly decided it doesn't want to start

Unrelated String

…and the reason I got in the habit was because wearing my gym clothes all day and collapsing due to overstimulation from being caked in my own sweat after gym class was preferable to using the men’s locker room in middle school 🤔

Rydwolf Programs

okay so I accidentally copy-pasted a word from this tab instead of the other one and

I wonder why it doesn't work??

Ginger

20:27

40% trackpants

Rydwolf Programs

rare hsl cheatcode

emanresu A

Freudian slip but digital

Rydwolf Programs

tanksv2 now featuring trackpants

Unrelated String

@emanresuA Out of curiosity, how would you characterize your former identity/self-concept? Was it that you went by they/them because you didn’t really feel attached to being male, and maybe considered yourself NB on that token, but didn’t feel like you could actually consider yourself trans because there wasn’t anything else you were actually drawn to?

@RydwolfPrograms hmmmmmmm

emanresu A

That pretty much sums it up :p

I never really considered that I could be trans until recently, I just ... thought I was weird in other ways

(once again, humans are very good at explaining away dysphoria)

Unrelated String

20:31

Yeppppp

I was halfway there but felt like it was disingenuous to imply I deserved not to be treated as a man :P

emanresu A

Bow before my shitty drawing skills

Rydwolf Programs

and they just kinda flap in the wind as your tank drives

emanresu A

[y'know when tanksv2 comes out I could totally make a client mod for that]

Rydwolf Programs

The pants go from green to red as your health decreases

Ginger

I looked away for a bit and upon looking back my brain saw "trackpants" and parsed it as "trackball but pants"

Unrelated String

20:35

That’s

fascinating

emanresu A

interesting

Rydwolf Programs

I have no idea what that would even physically mean but I support its research and development

Ginger

trackpants

invest today

I don't know if it would be a trackball covered with denim or a pair of pants with two trackballs on the rear

emanresu A

trackball but pants, trackball shaped like pants, pants shaped like trackball or trackball-decorated pants?

mousetail

Rub your pants over your knees to move the mouse?

Rydwolf Programs

20:39

@Ginger I was thinking more the former subconsciously

Ginger

rub your butt on the floor to move the mouse :p

Rydwolf Programs

Or like, your entire pants are the trackball, in some sort of weird topology thing?

mousetail

That would require pants without holes

emanresu A

@RydwolfPrograms Do a backflip to move the mouse?

Rydwolf Programs

I was thinking more like curl up into the fetal position and roll around

But that could work too

emanresu A

20:41

You could totally just attach several accelerometers to the pants and treat their orientation as the trackball position

Rydwolf Programs

Okay I'm currently imagining an office building that's just a warehouse full of people in high tech pants rolling around on the floor

Unrelated String

@Ginger I was thinking some kind of joystick-touchpad hybrid where both reshaping and dragging across the pants are part of the input method

Rydwolf Programs

You could even integrate left and right clicking

emanresu A

Standing desks but even more active

@RydwolfPrograms ~~left buttcheek, right buttcheek~~

I think we were all thinking that one

Rydwolf Programs

glad we both came to the same conclusion yeah

I think we should take this to VC, we could get a lot of funding

emanresu A

20:44

If this ever becomes a thing, someone somewhere is going to try to beat minecraft with it

mousetail

Can I be one of the roles matching C[A-Za-z0-9]O?

Ginger

C2O

Rydwolf Programs

Will we have a C_0 to have the full C\wO?

(which looks like a cursed version of OWO lol)

whoa all-caps owo is intimidating

att

oh fun bunch of trains cancelled

emanresu A

CthuluowO

Ginger

20:47

the employee in charge of dicarbon monoxide

thanks edge

Rydwolf Programs

Me when potato: owo
Me when mashed potato: owO
Me when bakde potato: OWO

Ginger

so true

mousetail

I could be the chief dicarbon monoxide officer

In charge of the memory loss division

Ginger

are you extremely reactive and not often encountered in everyday life?

mousetail

Yes

Rydwolf Programs

20:49

You're hired

And we'll even write it on this sticky note for you in case you forget

We recommend placing several around your house

mousetail

Funny thing is my landlord already regularly leaves me sticky notes

Not sure what that's about

Unrelated String

Oh boy

Rydwolf Programs

Maybe they haven't checked their carbon monoxide detector in a while

emanresu A

We want to hire you to write on our computers

Unrelated String

@RydwolfPrograms I did not read this as venture capital on my first try

mousetail

20:51

I personally only have arsenic detectors, that should cover it right?

emanresu A

Here at CompanyName.website, our main strengths are an unlimited supply of dicarbon monoxide, the ability to breakdance whenever needing to use a mouse, and that we physically cannot die

8

Ginger

TIL companyname.website redirects to xkcd.com

Rydwolf Programs

We are the seemingly abandoned warehouse playing caramelldansen with flashing disco lights at 2am with ambient reverb

Ginger

REAL

Rydwolf Programs

god someday our Prosus overlords will be like "let's examine this 'chat' feature on this platform we've invested in" and we'll have a lot of explaining to do

@Ginger I've never been so angry to not get rickrolled

Ginger

20:54

~~there's still time to move to matrix~~

I keep forgetting that Stack's owned by Prosus

Rydwolf Programs

Proimpostor

Bro provented

mousetail

Maybe CompanyName.website can buy a controlling share in Prosus?

Ginger

@RydwolfPrograms I can't tell if lyxal made you like this or if you always had it in you and lyxal just triggered it

att

@UnrelatedString what’s stopping your voice chats from raising lots of money

Rydwolf Programs

@Ginger Probably the latter, my Instagram note today is "we built this house on galvanized square steel" lmao

Unrelated String

20:57

@RydwolfPrograms Holy shit we actually are

That is eerily true

Ginger

you can shitpost without succumbing yknow
my tastes in bad internet humor are very similar to lyxal's and you don't see me making skibidi toilet jokes

Unrelated String

^

mousetail

If you where born 10 years later, would you be making skibidi toilet jokes right now?

Ginger

who knows

emanresu A

^^^

Ginger

20:59

it's just not my kind of humor really

emanresu A

Let the eight-year-olds on their moms' ipads do their thing

Unrelated String

I feel I either would have remained completely clueless to this day, or done it when it first started being a thing then sworn it off once it actually caught on

Ginger

that sounds more like you're talking about some illegal synthetic drug than an internet meme lol

emanresu A

God was like, "Let there be light," and there was light.

On the other hand, uh

Ginger

what I personally find funny is pretty different from the jokes I make online (and I would struggle to characterize either of them :3c)

emanresu A

21:01

What is :3c)?

Ginger

clearly

att

eyes nose sadmouth chin

Rydwolf Programs

That is kinda how I imagine you look in real life

emanresu A

LMAO

Ginger

LMAO

mousetail

21:02

What even makes specific memes funny and others boring?

Bbrk24

@emanresuA I know :3c is typically :3 plus hand/paw

Rydwolf Programs

But like, holding a screwdriver and surrounded by duct tape and disassembled machinery

Ginger

this is true actually

Rydwolf Programs

Did I doxx you

emanresu A

@mousetail Humans are weird

att

21:03

@mousetail obviously the ones i don’t like are boring

emanresu A

(how to explain the entirety of human history)

mousetail

I feel like most memes are funny only because they create an "in group" who understands them and an "out group" that doesn't. Except the in group only finds it funny because that's how they signify being part of the in group and the out group does not because there is no real joke

Yet even understanding this does not make pointless memes less funny to mee

Unrelated String

I feel like that’s a big part of how meme culture operates, but it’s still subject to and otherwise intertwined with the nature of humor in general

Rydwolf Programs

yeah the in-group thing I feel like is just a single component of why they're funny

mousetail

Some memes have a real joke in them, but others seem not to

Rydwolf Programs

21:07

Humor as a whole baffles me though. Like why do certain kinds of statements just bring us happiness for some reason? Like biologically, why do we have this instinct to react positively to things like puns or a coconut falling on someone's head

mousetail

I'm pretty sure it serves a social function

Unrelated String

I think some of that is also because, like, once a meme subculture is established it kind of becomes an “aesthetic” as well as an avenue for humor

So people end up participating in it with only the thin pretense of actually making a joke

And people support that because it still “fits”

Without having to actually find it funny

In a sense it’s just a normal subculture except with irony poisoning

mousetail

Real life communities often use injokes to bond. It seems pretty effective

Unrelated String

Yeah

Rydwolf Programs

I mean then there's the whole dark side of meme culture, how a lot of it is hand-me-downs from the alt-right using memes as a means of dog-whistling or introducing increasingly awful ideas in a nonthreatening/noncommital way

Unrelated String

21:12

@emanresuA (oh also before we get too far from this topic, are you “confidently NB transfem” she/they or “possibly binary but still figuring things out” she/they)

att

@RydwolfPrograms coded signs being used by fringe groups certainly isn’t anything new though

Unrelated String

@RydwolfPrograms Ooh, yeah, there is “retrofitting the pretense of humor to something that wasn’t supposed to be funny”

Ginger

8

this is me btw if you even care

Unrelated String

@att And they’ve always had various ways of maintaining plausible deniability

@Ginger That is most certainly you

Rydwolf Programs

There's construction next to my apartment rn and whatever fucking unmaintained bulldozer they have sounds like nails on a chalkboard every time it's running

Like buy some oil damn

At least I leave in (checks calendar) four days (!!)

Ginger

21:23

none of the stuff on my desk was staged, it always looks like that :p

Rydwolf Programs

Tbh that's less cluttered than I expected lol

Ginger

it's gotten a lot worse, but it usually isn't better

my other desk, however,

emanresu A

@UnrelatedString The latter, ish. I don't feel a full connection to being female, but that might change at some point

Ginger

is this more like what you expected :p

emanresu A

3d printer, random boards, plasma globe, lego - checks out

Ginger

21:32

that's only half the desk as well

att

that’s a pretty clean desktop

Unrelated String

@emanresuA Makes sense! I felt a super strong connection for a week or two, but it’s kind of faded into the background now. The main thing that assures me of my continued binary female identity is just that I really hate the idea of being treated as non-binary, but that’s mostly because I’m not used to it in the slightest (unlike being treated as male), so that probably doesn’t say much about you

Ginger

@emanresuA all essential items

Unrelated String

@emanresuA Multiple Raspberry Pi

@Ginger Just noticed the note in the top right and that is EXACTLY how I envisioned your handwriting

Ginger

yep

bad

Unrelated String

21:47

Charming

Bbrk24

@UnrelatedString What do you mean by “being treated as nonbinary”?

Unrelated String

Just the most basic things like being they/them’ed (or neopronouns)

And thinking of myself that way

Bbrk24

I mean you can be nonbinary and still use strictly she/her :P

So I guess I was asking if there was any more to that

Which, it’s okay if there’s not or you aren’t sure, gender is a complicated subject

Unrelated String

22:03

Yeah

I don’t feel entirely confident that I’m not descriptively something other than prototypically a binary female, but having that relationship with the gender binary still feels important to me

Bbrk24

you know what, fair enough

Unrelated String

Like, to the extent that I have either intrinsic attributes or secondary tendencies/preferences that aren’t prototypically female/feminine, I prefer to see them as contrasting rather than contradicting

I actively find that contrast valuable

Seggan

@Ginger ... is it me or is this actually possible

in SMILES i think itd be O1C#C1

Bbrk24

@UnrelatedString In that case, it’s good that you recognize and understand that, and stick with your identity for it (/gen, that feels kind of poorly worded)

Unrelated String

Yeah no that makes sense <3

Bbrk24

22:11

Dicarbon monoxide

Dicarbon monoxide (C2O) is a molecule that contains two carbon atoms and one oxygen atom. It is a linear molecule that, because of its simplicity, is of interest in a variety of areas. It is, however, so extremely reactive that it is not encountered in everyday life. It is classified as a carbene, cumulene and an oxocarbon. == Occurrence == Dicarbon monoxide is a product of the photolysis of carbon suboxide: C3O2 → CO + C2O It is stable enough to observe reactions with NO and NO2. Called ketenylidene in organometallic chemistry, it is a ligand observed in metal carbonyl clusters, e.g. [OC2Co3...

Seggan

💀

that is way more cursed than i thought it would be

@Seggan Apparently this is called "epoxy acyteline"

that doesn't sound very safe

Bbrk24

When I googled that phrase the third result was Chinese Wikipedia

@Seggan Looking at this, it probably wouldn't exist or would be extremely unstable because the bond angles are so tight

Seggan

i mean, it has an entry in pubchem

Bbrk24

It's the same reason cyclic ozone basically doesn't exist

Seggan

also cyclopropene is a thing, and its practically the same thing but with a double bond and carbon

Bbrk24

22:24

> Because the ring is highly strained, cyclopropene is difficult to prepare and highly reactive.

And then for cycloalkynes, wiki has this diagram:

Seggan

hrm interesting

emanresu A

Ayyyy

Y'know I'll be at 41k in like two weeks

att

quick make two downvotes

emanresu A

22:39

There we go

Redz

woah nice

att

grats

come to think of it my rep is mildly interesting

permutation of 01234

emanresu A

Neat :p

Bbrk24

I once had a debit card where the card number ended in 01234

att

just give the number out, no one will believe you

Bbrk24

22:50

I no longer have the card

Dannyu NDos

They say someone forgot 0 USD is neither credit nor debit.

I mean, their customer was charged 0 USD.

att

@Bbrk24 truly unfortunate

emanresu A

23:09

I cleaned up this and added some testcases, any feedback?

Bbrk24

The question is well-specified but I cba to verify your test cases

emanresu A

23:30

Fair enough :p

att

23:49

i think the 4th/6th tcs should be 4/10

emanresu A

6th you're correct, 4th I don't see a 4th option?

Unrelated String

It took me a while but I see a 4th

att

3 endpoint equivalence classes, pick 2 unique for 3, can pick one of them twice for the 4th

Unrelated String

There's 2 from the L thing to the X, and one within the L thing, but also 1 within the X

...oh yeah come to think of it, given that the graph is guaranteed to be acyclic it really is "just" endpoint equivalence classes

"""just"""

att

no, that doesn’t work for #2

Unrelated String

23:59

...I don't think #2 itself fails depending on how you actually define equivalence, but it definitely defeats the mergey way I was thinking of it

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