The Nineteenth Byte

ATaco

00:33

@ais523 You'd probably get away with Fixed Point, especially as most Neural Networks don't like values outside of -1 to 1

noodle man

@Neil future ecmascript standard, 15 bytes Math.sumPrecise

lyxal

@Neil Vyxal 2/3, 1 byte: ∑

noodle man

@lyxal does that use math.fsum()?

lyxal

no it uses normal sum

all floats are arbitrary precision by default

noodle man

so there are no floats in vyxal?

lyxal

00:44

pretty much

all numbers are exact

noodle man

so how does ∑ answer "exact floating point sum"

that has a pretty precise meaning

lyxal

@noodleman sum of decimal values without precision loss

noodle man

for example even with exact floating point sum you'd still get fsum([0.1, 0.2]) != 0.3

lyxal

ah

cringe :p

imagine not having 0.1 + 0.2 equal 0.3

noodle man

it's just kinda misleading that 0.1 != the real number 1/10

Rydwolf Programs

00:51

@emanresuA The smaller exploit mentioned in the comments is cool too

@ais523 You can use ints, I've run Llama 2 on my GPU using 8-bit ints since it was the only way I could fit it in VRAM :p

Model quality suffers if you go that low, but purpose-designed float formats for neural networks tend to have fewer bytes for the exponents IIRC, which supports the idea that fixed point would be feasible

emanresu A

@RydwolfPrograms yeah, although the only 1000+ score answers I can find are Tetris

… and one to 2014

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Rydwolf Programs

01:14

@emanresuA There's also this:

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A: Build a digital clock in Conway's Game of Life

11,520 generations per clock count / 10,016 x 6,796 box / 244,596 pop count There you go... Was fun. Well, the design is certainly not optimal. Neither from the bounding box standpoint (those 7-segment digits are huge), nor from the initial population count (there are some useless stuff, and so...

(Found with score:1000 in search)

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02:35

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Rydwolf Programs

03:49

"I believe in equality of opportunity"
"Oh so you think we should address inequality in order to level the playing field for those deprived of opportunities by historical injustices?"
"nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"

Like why are people so bad at naming political stances

Rydwolf Programs

04:00

> Ultimately, parties have been weakened 😩 by these developments because candidates are less dependent on their support

I love unnecessary use of emoji

"parties have been weakened [moans loudly] by these developments 🥺👉👈"

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Rydwolf Programs

05:26

Guys I love college board so much...I have two AP exams tomorrow (gotta get up at 6:30), two the next day, one the next day, two the next day, another the next day, then another the next week

lyxal

spicy

Rydwolf Programs

Oh and it's half past midnight already

lyxal

extra spicy

Rydwolf Programs

At least my easy ones (gov and chem) are tomorrow

But I suppose I'd best be going, toodaloo gang o/

lyxal

@RydwolfPrograms you mean today

@RydwolfPrograms sleep, nerd :p

o/

Rydwolf Programs

05:28

@lyxal That's such a [name redacted] move >:|

That girl I almost dated twice would do that every night

"You mean today?"

lol

Like it's not tomorrow until I've gone to sleep, idc if it's 4 in the morning [name redacted] >:|

Those were good times

lyxal

[name redacted]? that's a funny name for a person

Rydwolf Programs

Why'd her grampa have to die right when I had w rizz

Anyway goodnight lol

lyxal

o/

ATaco

@RydwolfPrograms I am also team "Tomorrow is after I wake up"

which makes all nighters hard

lyxal

but now that rydwolf is going to sleep, that makes it today

meaning that my statement is still technically correct :P

The Empty String Photographer

08:35

@user database hosting

The Empty String Photographer

11:58

Why did a moderator remove my pins in MY CHAT ROOM?

jan

12:46

@RydwolfPrograms this does still look like a pretty hard problem though. There are so many edge cases if one wanted to solve this with rules that you might as well just use a brute force approach. For example: You want to use "c" and "m" on the largest numbers (zombies), ideally "c" on the very largest, except if that number is so low in the stack that the numbers behind it are not big enough for that to have enough of an effect. I don't know how to prove a general rule would work.

Ginger

got my second pull request to Neoforge merged :D

feels good to contribute

now, I did forget that M comes before P in the alphabet three times

but still

jan

@Ginger so you want to tell us how this is relevant to a mod loader

Ginger

github.com/neoforged/NeoForge/pull/918#discussion_r1589800413

and then I managed to do it two more times in the discord

lyxal

@Ginger silly ginger

everyone knows the alphabet goes ABCDEFGHIJKLPNOMQRSTUVWXYZ

Adám

There's a proposal to move N up before M. (I've been a proponent of this at least since I was in 3rd grade.) You can see it already implemented in BQN which is named after incrementing the letters of APL — assuming N before M.

lyxal

13:01

I thimk I could support that. Soumds like sonethimg I night be imterested im

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Q: Our Partnership with OpenAI

Today, we announced an exciting new partnership with OpenAI. We’re pleased that OpenAI shares our commitment to socially responsible AI. You can read more details in the press release. We share updates on partnerships here on Meta because we believe in providing a space for you to ask questions a...

discussion featured

new SE partnership with OpenAI just dropped

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find the press release here

> OpenAI and Stack Overflow are coming together via OverflowAPI access to provide OpenAI users and customers with the accurate and vetted data foundation that AI tools need to quickly find a solution to a problem so that technologists can stay focused on priority tasks

> OpenAI will utilize Stack Overflow’s OverflowAPI product and collaborate with Stack Overflow to improve model performance for developers who use their products. This integration will help OpenAI improve its AI models using enhanced content and feedback from the Stack Overflow community and provide attribution to the Stack Overflow community within ChatGPT to foster deeper engagement with content.

> Stack Overflow will utilize OpenAI models as part of their development of OverflowAI and work with OpenAI to leverage insights from internal testing to maximize the performance of OpenAI models. OpenAI’s partnership with Stack Overflow will help further drive its mission to empower the world to develop technology through collective knowledge, as Stack Overflow will be able to create better products that benefit the Stack Exchange community’s health, growth, and engagement.

Adám

@lyxal Didn't OpenAI already rip SO?

lyxal

now it's official and up to date

Ginger

@lyxal lies, treachery

@lyxal what

are you serious

lyxal

no

i'm lyxal

Ginger

thanks stack (lies)

Adám

13:05

@lyxal Are we taking bets on whether the post will reach -1000?

lyxal

this is news to basically everyone btw

no mod preview

Ginger

downvote number six 😎

lyxal

@Adám well that seems silly

Ginger

how much longer will this go on for

lyxal

Why would you place bets on something that's extremely very likely :p

so summary is this: OpenAI gets live SE api access, SE gets OpenAI models for OverflowAI

Ginger

13:08

wonderful :|

lyxal

That's different to OpenAI scraping SE, because it means that data can be fetched from actual posts intentionally

plus no retraining

just stick the api data in

Adám

@lyxal Is it though? Only one visible SE Meta post reached -1000.

Neil

@lyxal *sonethimg

lyxal

@Adám if the strike post can reach +1000, those people can easily downvote

almost spelt that downvore

@Neil fixed :p

@Ginger tbf there's already such an agreement with google

Ginger

yeah, I know

lyxal

13:14

besides, looks like technically speaking it's only SO data

not SE in its entirity

(based on readings of the overflow api page)

lyxal

13:28

@lyxal and to think I was planning to make alphabet rearrangement jokes :p

instead my evening is now watching TL :p

lyxal

13:43

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A: Our Partnership with OpenAI

Some questions that come to mind: Is it going to be possible for indvidual users to opt out of having answers touched by OverflowAPI? Follow up: can sites opt out of being included in OverflowAPI? Related: What sites are included/excluded from OverflowAPI? What applications do y'all plan to use ...

Ginger

"OverflowAPI"?

lyxal

literally the thing OpenAI gets out of this

stackoverflow.co/api-solutions

Ginger

oh

lyxal

14:05

honestly, SE can keep their AI stuff going

more MSE rep for me :p

and more discussion tag badge process too :p

math scat

@lyxal wait what

lyxal

that's right

SE + OpenAI

math scat

wrong decision, that's just going to make OpenAI's next models shittier

lyxal

no?

OpenAI is getting access to an API which can be queried by responses

this isn't training data as such

it's called Retrieval Augmented Generation

aws.amazon.com/what-is/retrieval-augmented-generation

math scat

yeah yeah I was joking

Seggan

14:14

@Ginger lol same, I've got PRs to PaperMC merged, had the same feeling

lyxal

@mathscat but hey, given the latest AI generated answer scandal over on StackOverflow, it might actually make things worse :p

1221 answers on SO were recently confirmed to be AI generated

"how were they confirmed?" you ask

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Q: A commitment to amend and move forward

I posted ~1850 answers between March 2023 and April 2024, including ~1100 answers to bountied questions during their bounty periods. Of those 1850 answers, about two-thirds were based on generative AI content. I would like to sincerely apologize for the series of answers I posted on Stack Overflo...

discussion account-suspension ai-generated-content

A user with 1.3 million reputation admitted to posting a massive amount of AI generated answers

also, bronze badge!

Unrelated String

people are great at naming political stances to make them sound more coherent and reasonable than they are
and claiming general values that don't have to be consistent with their judgments about any specific scenario :P

Ginger

@lyxal lul

how'd I miss that

lyxal

It wasn't featured

And even though it was temporarily on the hot on meta section, the down votes quickly removed it from there

I only found it because it was mentioned in TL lol

Ginger

14:30

ah

math scat

@lyxal okay wow

lyxal

It's been fun to watch over the last few days

Anyhow I'm off for the night

Gonna have some fun transcripts to backread

o/

Ginger

\o

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l4m2

16:57

Why end of comment is ->

DLosc

Looks like a bug to me. I wonder if it just affects the preview or also actual posts.

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