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ais523
ais523
00:25
@emanresuA if "character"="byte" Incident can only do 128 of them because you need two different bytes to print anything – but you can do it with programs that are valid UTF-8 and share no UTF-8 characters in common, as long as you ignore the fact that Incident doesn't actually parse the input like that
 
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l4m2
l4m2
02:39
Can I write in asm or other binary-based language and claim it's UTF32?
Bubbler
Bubbler
03:24
@l4m2 That's a valid question to ask in comment
Btw I don't think it trivializes the challenge. UTF32 doesn't allow codepoints above 0x10ffff. You need a syscall to print anything, so you'll need all sorts of ways to modify code on the fly.
Sandbox Posts
Sandbox Posts
04:22
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Wheat WizardWe will say a string \$x\$ is cyclic maximal if there is no way to cycle its elements to get a lexicographically larger string. In other words there is no \$a\$ and \$b\$ such that \$a \oplus b = x\$ and \$b \oplus a > x\$. For example [3,2,3,3] is not cyclic maximal because you can cycle the 2 t...

Wheat Wizard
Wheat Wizard
04:33
@hyper-neutrino Yes. Come join me on the dark side.
emanresu A
emanresu A
@hyper-neutrino Tied you :)
Wheat Wizard
Wheat Wizard
@Bubbler Not the same idea, but I made a language called "unbalanced" where the balanced braces are noops requiring you to have unbalanced braces to write meaningful code.
Bubbler
Bubbler
haha nice
emanresu A
emanresu A
Pain-flak does exist (although it's a trivial translation of brainflak)
Wheat Wizard
Wheat Wizard
github.com/Wheatwizard/Unbalanced
Found the repo.
Bubbler
Bubbler
04:40
Joke CMC: solve a challenge in both Unbalanced and Brain-Flak, so that the two code has edit distance 2 or lower (you can choose the kind of edit distance)
Mukundan314
Mukundan314
What pastebins or URL shorteners do you all use when TIO link won't fit in a comment?
emanresu A
emanresu A
tinyurl mostly
Mukundan314
Mukundan314
thanks
 
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Simd
Simd
07:50
Some of my python functions accidentally use global variables. Is there a tool to help detect where this happens?
Bubbler
Bubbler
08:04
@Simd some quick search gives this SO Q&A
localscope package: github.com/tillahoffmann/localscope
emanresu A
emanresu A
→ 1 phone moved to pakistan
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Simd
Simd
08:32
@Bubbler thanks so much!
 
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l4m2
l4m2
10:54
Do this work on standard?

<style>.a,.a:checked~.b,.a:not(:checked)~.c{display:none}</style><label><input type="checkbox" class="a"><span class="b">+</span><span class="c">-</span> foo<label class="c"><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;456</label></label>
 
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DLosc
DLosc
16:06
@Bubbler Serious answer: Shortest infinite loop producing no output, Brain-Flak 8 bytes (()){()}, Unbalanced 7 bytes (()){)}, edit distance 1
Or if the criterion to optimize is total bytes rather than edit distance, the Unbalanced code can remove any one character except the last close-paren.
The Empty String Photographer
The Empty String Photographer
16:48
CMegaC: Make a program that doesn’t run what its code tells it to.
The Empty String Photographer
The Empty String Photographer
17:09
Another CMegaC: Make a program that’s always very tired, like me.
Seggan
Seggan
woo my custom-lang-smth-like-asm-called-gourmet to chef compiler is working! 
def $t0;
push 1;
pop $t0;
to 
test.

Ingredients.
0 a
1 b

Method.
Put b into 3rd mixing bowl. Fold a into 3rd mixing bowl.

Serves 1.
IM COMING FOR YOU BOUNTY
mousetail
mousetail
What's the most mainstream electronic circuit based esolang?
Else I'll build one myself
DLosc
DLosc
17:34
There's Chip, which is not at all mainstream, and Wireworld, which is mainstream enough to have a Wikipedia article, but I'm not sure if it's the kind of thing you're looking for.
RubenVerg
RubenVerg
17:53
tonight i had a dream where i made an esolang but can't remember any of the details. it was probably based on a very dumb idea
Mukundan314
Mukundan314
18:32
trying to detect cycles in a graph given undirected edges in vyxal, but having a very hard time any help is appreciated
New Posts
New Posts
18:58
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Q: Next cyclic suffix

Wheat WizardWe will say a string \$x\$ is cyclic maximal if there is no way to cycle its elements to get a lexicographically larger string. In other words there is no \$a\$ and \$b\$ such that \$a \oplus b = x\$ and \$b \oplus a > x\$, where \$\oplus\$ is concatenation. For example [3,2,3,3] is not cyclic ma...

code-golf
New Posts
New Posts
19:39
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Q: Can I Clear The Grid?

hyper-neutrinoI recently found this game and have been enjoying it. Basically, there is a grid of colored tiles and you act by clicking on empty spaces. When you click an empty space, the first tile (if any) in each of the four axis-aligned directions is selected. If any color appears more than once, all tiles...

code-golf decision-problem grid
 
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math scat
math scat
21:01
@NewPosts imma say this is indeterminable. QED
oooh, how about this, but it's an infinite (periodically repeating) grid?
hyper-neutrino
hyper-neutrino
@mathscat can't you literally brute force it
math scat
math scat
yea ig
Someone
Someone
21:38
maybe put a time constraint?
DLosc
DLosc
@mathscat "Can I clear the grid?" "IDK, can you?"
lyxal
lyxal
"depends tbh"
math scat
math scat
that's the correct mindset!
lyxal
lyxal
@mathscat you right
How are we supposed to know hyper's capabilities for any given grid?
Hyper might be able to clear a grid I might not
And where a program can find a solution, hyper might not be able to
So the challenge is basically impossible because it's not self contained
We'd need a downloadable copy of hyper in the post to know exactly what behaviour to replicate
math scat
math scat
either that or VTC as guesswork
I wonder if hyper's high score has any correlation to whether he can clear a grid.
we need more testing data
lyxal
lyxal
21:53
I imagine we'd need more data on reaction time and pattern recognition
He'd need to allow us to make an AI model of his game play to even have a chance at objectively determining whether he can clear a grid
Someone
Someone
22:09
not that kind of time constraint
hyper-neutrino
hyper-neutrino
you know, if you can somehow get a way to get that data and actually train an AI I'll allow it
Someone
Someone
I mean a "the program has to take this much time to find the answer for a grid of this size" constraint. Maybe as a sort of optimization problem, since it's not very codegolf-like?
hyper-neutrino
hyper-neutrino
how is it not code-golf-like
Someone
Someone
it's a coding challenge, but not a golfing one
it's still on-scope, but not as much
also, time constraints would have to be tweaked A LOT to prevent lang discrimination
hyper-neutrino
hyper-neutrino
explain how it's not a golfing one and how it's any less on-scope to this site than any other coding challenge
I don't get what point you're trying to make and why you're picking on my challenge specifically for "not being on-scope enough" or "discriminating against languages", which is a topic that's been discussed basically since this site was created and that I am much more familiar with
lyxal
lyxal
22:16
@hyper-neutrino gonna have to get in touch with zucky and get him to get you hooked on vr games so we can learn you behaviours and skills in 3d
Gonna use the lizard man to harvest you data
Code golf meta but without the code golf
Someone
Someone
@hyper-neutrino I did neither of those things. I was talking about my idea, not your challenge.
hyper-neutrino
hyper-neutrino
oh that's what you mean?
Someone
Someone
Your challenge is great!
hyper-neutrino
hyper-neutrino
sorry that was very unclearly stated. so your idea is the same idea but fastest-algorithm instead basically
Someone
Someone
@hyper-neutrino yep!
hyper-neutrino
hyper-neutrino
22:19
I considered that actually lol
ultimately decided to just keep it as code golf though, but I am sort of curious what the best time bound for it is
emanresu A
emanresu A
22:42
I'm fairly certain it's NP-complete
Bubbler
Bubbler
23:07
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