The Nineteenth Byte

Radvylf Programs

00:10

Userscript finished, now I just need to write the back-end

Fmbalbuena

Any feedback?

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Q: CGAC2022 Day 7: Fen The Wicked

Part of Code Golf Advent Calendar 2022 event. See the linked meta post for details. Fen is a magician Elf. He can cast spells on an array of numbers to produce another number or array of numbers. One of his inventions is the Wick spell. He loves to use this spell because "once this spell is appl...

Radvylf Programs

00:39

Okay, got an almost working back-end

Bubbler

01:34

feedback?

Steffan

01:51

ok so supposedly it is supposed to be lyal

Seggan

@Bubbler lgtm

Steffan

i guess lyal is basically dead

Aiden Chow

@Bubbler i think u skipped a step for explaining base 5, at step 4 u said 21(5) but at step 5 u say 1111(5) even tho the sequence u show above has 1100 after 21?

(and also im dumb so i dont understand why it cant have 2 or 3 digit at step 5 in the first place lol)

@Steffan ok what lang?

errrr did we do prolog yet?

Jo King

yes

Seggan

02:07

@Steffan ye i think the last one was fig

Aiden Chow

ok ummm what about labyrinth??

Jo King

we did that

Aiden Chow

which lyal is this anyways? 30th?

im pretty sure we didnt do trianguish yet right

Bubbler

@Bubbler Huh? someone downvoted this without comments

Aiden Chow

@Bubbler riiip

Bubbler

02:10

@AidenChow Fixed, thanks

@AidenChow because the next number would have a leading zero

Aiden Chow

ah ok duh

ok r we just not doing lyal anymore

DLosc

I'm not especially excited about any of the top-voted nominations, unfortunately

Aiden Chow

ok what about any of the nominations

also damn there hasnt been a new nomination since august, lyal is actually dying

lyxal

that's not necessarily a bad thing

caird coinheringaahing

02:25

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A: Biweekly Mini Golf is Half Dead

Let it die BMG was first started over a year ago, was popular, had a bit of a slump after a couple of months, and, over the last 10 months has slowly died. And, that's okay. If people aren't engaging with an event anymore, the proper thing to do is let it die. It was fun when it started, and that...

lyxal

That's exactly what I meant to refer to :p

Aiden Chow

damn never heard of biweekly mini golf before

also ye that makes sense

but like what should our next chat event be lol

caird coinheringaahing

One of the main reasons behind chat events when we first started them was to encourage participation in chat, and to break up the "monotony" of chat by doing something fun. But, if people no longer want to do them, or if they feel like chores, there should be no pressure to continuing them

Aiden Chow

sad, i like chat events

lyxal

that's not to say you (or others) can't come up with new event ideas

there's no rigid/strict process for starting new events

caird coinheringaahing

02:30

The only thing is that we mods/ROs have to "approve" them, and add them to the schedule

lyxal

it's just a) come up with idea (the hardest part), b) post idea on meta, c) people vote on idea say "i think i'd like that, yes let's do that" and d) get ninja'd by caird

caird coinheringaahing

E.g. nothing inappropriate, but so long as there's support for an idea and it's relevant to the site, we're not gonna say no

@lyxal See, I remember 4 years ago, when I was the one always being ninja'd by people. It's nice to see that I'm now the ninja :P

lyxal

so that's why there's been a few extra ninja stars in the fridge nukes lately

good to know

I was getting concerned that someone was interfering with the nukes, but if it's just you, then that's fine

just a regular day that ends in y

Aiden Chow

yep, just a normal conversation about ninjas and nukes, nothing to see here

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caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal Oh yeah, we're doing some fridge nuke testing next week, in case you wonder what those explosion noises are :P

I suggested doing it over Christmas, but hyper said that'd be too mean to you :P

lyxal

02:36

does that mean I'll have a bit of time to start refilling the treasury to save for new fridges? Because I tell you what, you code golf mods are making me go through my limb stealing profits rather quickly.

Aiden Chow

@lyxal yea definitely the hardest part, i dont think im creative enough to think of a good chat event idea anyways lol

Seggan

if someone without knowledge of chat culture reads this...

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing Like ffs, give a guy some time to get financially sound and repay back some of the whitegoods loans he's taken out

Aiden Chow

@Seggan im still not entirely sure what they are talking about lmfao

caird coinheringaahing

@Seggan Oh trust me, it used to be way worse

May 17, 2021 at 20:46, by Redwolf Programs

Imagine Lyxal wakes up in the middle of the night and there's some random moderator rigging a nuclear warhead under their fridge

May 17, 2021 at 22:59, by lyxal

Anyone know why my fridge is completely destroyed and people in my local area are now experiencing radiation poisoning?

Seggan

02:38

@AidenChow lyxal's limb stealing business is use to fund fridge nukes, why shouldnt you understand it?

lyxal

no no it's used to fund the new fridges I have to buy each time

Seggan

ah

lyxal

Larry (my fridge dealer) used to think it was funny, but I feel he's getting a bit tired of my frequent visits

I mean, sure, I'm his best paying customer, but that's a lot of stock to keep having to refill

Aiden Chow

man i feel like i dont understand 99% of tnb culture, wtf am i reading lol

caird coinheringaahing

@AidenChow In summary: lyxal realised that the ping sound for chat is similar to him getting a thing of milk out his fridge. we then joked about hyper nuking lyxal's fridge to prevent the ping noises. lyxal joined in. it is now a running joke that us mods can nuke lyxal's fridge whenever we want, and that lyxal runs a limb stealing business to afford the new fridges

The limb stealing thing is a whole different joke :P

lyxal

02:41

basically, it's trying to say the most absurd stuff in the most deadpan way to get stars :p

caird coinheringaahing

I think the limb stealing started with a typo for a wave (i.e o/)

lyxal

something like that, yeah

Aiden Chow

ok what, u guys spin some wild backstory off of the most random things

thats actually crazy

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Rolling a 1x1x2 block This challenge is inspired by the game Bloxorz. Like that game, there is a 1x1x2 block, which may be moved about a square grid in any of the four cardinal directions. It moves by rotating 90 degrees about one of its edges which is touching the ground. Initially, the block is...

Radvylf Programs

Good news! The userscript is finished

caird coinheringaahing

02:48

@AidenChow I've been here for almost 6 years, a lot has happened since I joined :P

lyxal

@AidenChow drive.google.com/file/d/1RCCYOZgTXC8mGhBvl0SQyTlZ4Riem66Y/…

Aiden Chow

@lyxal ok wait that actually kinda sounds like the ping noise

lyxal

that's right

radvylf made a userscript once that replaces the chat ping noise with the fridge noise

caird coinheringaahing

I'm still sad that lyxal washing Aaron got deleted :(

emanresu A

And AAAAAAAAAAAaAAAAaaaAAaAAA

lyxal

02:55

@cairdcoinheringaahing you're not sad, you're caird :p

Radvylf Programs

github.com/Radvylf/userscripts/blob/main/whos-typing.user.js

Click Raw to download!

emanresu A

Sep 27 at 0:34, by caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal This is comparable to the burning of the Library of Alexandria

@AidenChow If you want more random TNB jokes, se-nitro.surge.sh

caird coinheringaahing

@emanresuA Thank you for quoting me at me :P

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Radvylf Programs

@hyper-neutrino ^^^^

emanresu A

Oops lol

Aiden Chow

02:57

@emanresuA da hell is se nitro

is that a real thing

emanresu A

Long story

Radvylf Programs

@AidenChow Only if you believe

emanresu A

It's every in-joke from the past two years

Aiden Chow

wtfffffff who drew those

Radvylf Programs

I did :p

emanresu A

02:59

Sadly,it's unfinished

Did someone named no one install the typing userscript?

Radvylf Programs

I guess so

caird coinheringaahing

> G'Joink

Radvylf Programs

'no one' is lyxal

Aiden Chow

@emanresuA its unfinished??? theres so many pages tho

Radvylf Programs

Who seems to have already figured out how to spoof usernames

lyxal

03:00

lol ye

Radvylf Programs

Was going to do an fkey-based authentication mechanism, but I didn't want to be sending private data to my own server

lyxal

@RadvylfPrograms it's surprisingly easy

Radvylf Programs

Yeah, since it's pretty harmless I just left it as a "please don't touch" instead of doing some sort of sanity check :p

caird coinheringaahing

@emanresuA Completely inaccurate, I didn't steal WW's diamond

~~I stole Doorknob's~~

lyxal

well frick

emanresu A

03:06

Radvylf, why use innerHTML and sanitise instead of using innerText?

lyxal

I uh maybe have broken the userscript

Radvylf Programs

@emanresuA Because if their username is missing, I put user[id] in italics

It could happen in some rare situation where a message gets skipped (not entirely sure TLS/WS allows that, but wanted to handle it gracefully anyway)

emanresu A

Challenge: Figure out what I tried to XSS with (did it even work?)

Radvylf Programs

Replacing all of our PFPs with lyxal's

Aiden Chow

@RadvylfPrograms what the, this allows u to see whos typing? even ppl who dont have the script?

emanresu A

03:08

@RadvylfPrograms yep lol

Radvylf Programs

@AidenChow No, only people with the script

DLosc

~~Ha ha, I'm typing and you can't even see it~~

caird coinheringaahing

@RadvylfPrograms Please not this again

Radvylf Programs

@cairdcoinheringaahing Oh no, it'd only have been client side, even if it had worked

it was just a script tag that would, if I had forgotten to sanitize the HTML, have changed every .avatar img on chat to lyxal's pfp

Aiden Chow

@emanresuA what is xss anyways?

Radvylf Programs

03:11

Cross-site scripting

emanresu A

Cross site scripting

ninja'd

Radvylf Programs

Injecting HTML/JS into another site

E.g., if you change the innerHTML of a box to someone's username

They could then make their username a script tag, allowing them to inject lyxal's pfp into your website

Seggan

lets gooo the script works

wait whos joe mama

Radvylf Programs

Lyxal being lyxal

lyxal

believe or not, I'm not Joe Mama

I'm trying out something quite different to funny names

Aiden Chow

03:12

wtf is going on with the script lmao, u guys see someone named joe mama??

Seggan

ye

Aiden Chow

huh thats actually hilarious

Radvylf Programs

Okay, please stop with the spoofed names. Yes, it is possible. No, it is no longer creative.

DLosc

@RadvylfPrograms Relevant Ozy and Millie

lyxal

@RadvylfPrograms what if not spoofed, but just a little accented?

Radvylf Programs

03:16

Slightly modified is fine if you really want to. Zalgo and similar is not.

lyxal

okie doke

Aiden Chow

@lyxal what are you trying anyways

Radvylf Programs

Ayy broadcast works

lyxal

@AidenChow just trying to see what happens when sending multiple websocket requests at once

probably didn't work

user

What does sync do btw?

lyxal

03:18

is the cursive showing up for y'all?

Radvylf Programs

It is for me

lyxal

good

I'm leaving it as that

Radvylf Programs

@user Synchronizes time across clients

user

I can't see it lol

Ah ok

lyxal

just making sure it works

Radvylf Programs

03:20

Okay you don't need to packet spam my server lyxal

It works

Whoever is using the name user and ID 123. Stop. Please.

lyxal

that ain't me

user

Crap, that's me

I was trying to spoof my username

Let me stop it

Radvylf Programs

How...did you mess it up that bad lol

user

I may or may not have confused setInterval with setTimeout

Radvylf Programs

You know you can just change user_name to some other string right :p

user

03:25

I just wanted it to send "joe mama is typing" once

Okay but imagine how powerful I could be if I could just go into the console and be like send("joe") :P

Radvylf Programs

It would be cool if there was like, a standardized chat modding API userscript. It's an idea I had a while back but never really worked on

It would let people build a ton of chat userscripts that built on one another, so that you could have things like emotes, reactions, typing indicators, etc. all available in one convenient "app store" sorta thing, which would all be able to work with one another

UndoneStudios

04:15

"Programming language with coffee cup logo" now what is that

caird coinheringaahing

Java?

UndoneStudios

11 letters

I'm filling a crossword

Oh wait it's 4 letters I'm so dumb

sorry my bad but thx for the answer anyway

graffe

07:09

@Bubbler if you use li(x)-(1/2) lii (sqrt(x)) it looks more accurate for all the cases I could test up to 10^12?

Bubbler

@graffe I mean, if you want some real mathematical results better than Wikipedia's, you'd better post it on mathoverflow, not here

hyper-neutrino

07:25

@RadvylfPrograms ooh, very nice - thanks!

Jo King

07:39

@UndoneStudios Java-script

UndoneStudios

07:56

@JoKing nvm I got the answer already

mousetail

08:09

Is generating a crossword from a given list of words to maximize overlap NP complete?

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Santa's Shortest Path Problem Trying to be as time-efficient as possible Santa needs to plan his trips carefully. Given a 5X5 (A1:E5) grid representing a map of villages it is your task to be Santa's flight controller. Show santa the shortest and therefor fastest route to fly his sleigh and give ...

mousetail

08:29

crosswordconstruction.com/npcomplete

It is NP complete

Ginger

12:35

hi

lyxal

howdy

Ginger

@AidenChow it's not just you q:

@AidenChow yeah the tnb lore goes miles deep and is also recursive for some reason

@RadvylfPrograms ~~when will you finish it~~

@RadvylfPrograms don't give me any ideas

UndoneStudios

if mods can nuke someone's fridge what more can they do?

mousetail

Nuke someone's microwave

UndoneStudios

12:51

I don't own one so I'm safe

but lyxal is only a uni student I doubt they could even steal a limb

mousetail

How do you think medical students practice?

lyxal

@UndoneStudios it's a front for my side business, duh

No one suspects the uni student

UndoneStudios

@mousetail he's a university student, not a medical one

mousetail

They are not that different, bot steal organs

It's very common for students of all diciplines to steal eachother body parts

After my first year at uni I had just 1 arm left, but I got better now I have 5

lyxal

@mousetail nods head in agreement it's true - where else do you think I got my seed money?

UndoneStudios

13:00

@mousetail if that's true, I'd have been dead already

mousetail

You can live with just one kidney

and one arm

UndoneStudios

> bot steal organs

imagine we created a bot doing that

mousetail

Plot of every horror film

UndoneStudios

@mousetail no everyone will tear off everything of me

mousetail

We're careful when stealing organs

UndoneStudios

13:02

you stole some too?

take a pic of... oh never mind

mousetail

Yes, like literally every college student

Like I said I now own 5 arms

UndoneStudios

I don't like limb stealing

it sounds too bad

to take

on

all by

myself

mousetail

You get used to it

UndoneStudios

don't any

of you think?

mousetail

My liver got stolen on my first day

UndoneStudios

13:04

meaning you're a zombie

mousetail

It sucked at first but then I learned how to steal a new one

You can survive a few days without a liver

UndoneStudios

liver = life, !(liver) = death

lyxal

@UndoneStudios but it's hella profitable

mousetail

You can't digest food without a liver though so I wouldn't recomend

UndoneStudios

@mousetail exactly what I meant

to say

my enter does not work properly

due to some kids at school

mousetail

13:06

I have 3 livers now, I can drink unlimited alcohol

UndoneStudios

does that mean most of my messages

will go to TN 🍞?

@mousetail don't tell me you're drunk?

mousetail

I'm not, my 3 livers digest the alcohol way too quickly for me to get drunk anymore

UndoneStudios

@mousetail so you also took a course in surgery

kinda strange

so y'all are medical students pretending to be code golfers?

mousetail

I kinda figured it out as I went along, trial and error

UndoneStudios

@mousetail me too

Ginger

13:10

@UndoneStudios bold of you to assume I haven't already

caird coinheringaahing

15:13

→ 1 batch of cookies ready for baking, put into the oven

Seggan

15:36

@UndoneStudios unnecessary parentheses

Ginger

the air pressure in the room I'm in is... weird

one of my ears is stuffed but the other feels fine

Seggan

16:06

why do i feel like thats me :P

Ginger

~~I think it's lyxal~~ but it can't be, lyxal is missing at that point

not sure if you were around when that comic was made :b

Seggan

@Ginger ye

Catija

16:19

Have y'all considered like... starting with a clean sandbox every year or something?

graffe

CMC given two 100 digit numbers x,y output the closest integer less than or equal to x/y

Aiden Chow

@graffe if im reading correctly isnt that just floor(x/y)

graffe

@AidenChow yes but your language doesn't support ints that big

Sorry I mean floats that big

Seggan

@Ginger yep i was around

graffe

I.e. python supports ints that big but will lose precision with floats

Seggan

16:27

my acc is over a year old

Aiden Chow

@Ginger when was that even made lol

Radvylf Programs

@graffe Isn't that just int division?

Aiden Chow

@RadvylfPrograms int division but with 100 digits apparently

and x and y can be floats apparently

Seggan

@AidenChow last comic was jan 26 of this year

Aiden Chow

@Seggan hmmm i think i started becoming active in code golf around that time

graffe

16:30

@AidenChow does that make sense?

Seggan

last repo commit was feb 3

graffe

@RadvylfPrograms yes

Radvylf Programs

I'm thinking about rereading the comics and writing part (4?) of SE Nitro

I have some plans

graffe

@RadvylfPrograms is that really simple large ints?

Ginger

@RadvylfPrograms :D

please do

Radvylf Programs

16:30

@graffe As in, writing it from scratch?

Seggan

@RadvylfPrograms YES

~~and include me~~

Radvylf Programs

Okay okay okay. I think I remember what the plot was going to be.

Seggan

ooh you should add the steggan hivemind :P

Ginger

^

Radvylf Programs

I'll have a part finished tonight.

graffe

16:31

@RadvylfPrograms yes exactly

Ginger

@hyper-neutrino can you unfreeze chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/133489?

Seggan

the characters venture out of tnb, meet the evil sʨɠɠan hivemind, ???, profit

Ginger

the current plot is a bit screwy, imo the comic needs a new arc

Radvylf Programs

@graffe Just implement long division. Represent the int using whatever base you want (typically 256), then use the grade-school long division algorithm. It's probably not the most efficient, but it's definitely good enough for a few hundred thousand digits or so.

Seggan

wait whos john skeet

Radvylf Programs

16:33

Highest rep user on SO

Seggan

ah

graffe

@RadvylfPrograms that was the CMC :)

Radvylf Programs

Well all the languages I use have bigints built-in :p

graffe

@RadvylfPrograms hmmm :)

mathcat

@RadvylfPrograms ~~So you don't use brainf?~~

Radvylf Programs

16:40

Brainfuck has bigints in most implementations :p

mathcat

good point

graffe

@RadvylfPrograms it's possible x//y works in python. I am no my phone so did you please test that for me

@RadvylfPrograms it's possible x//y works in python. I am on my phone so did you please test that for me

Radvylf Programs

Yes, Python has bigints and integer division

graffe

@RadvylfPrograms it's possible x//y works in python. I am on my phone so could you please test that for me

Radvylf Programs

Python 2 has long for bigints, and Python 3's only int type is bigints

Okay so I've just realized Part 3 of SE Nitro is unfinished

There's only a single chapter

IIRC Part 3 was actually the last part

Seggan

16:43

well we need more

Radvylf Programs

Okay it's four parts apparently

mathcat

... wait

no way

caird coinheringaahing

@Ginger Enjoy the warmth

Thomas Ward

@cairdcoinheringaahing send hot coffee is cold here :P

caird coinheringaahing

@ThomasWard Smokey doesn't hang out in here unfortunately :(

Thomas Ward

16:51

no but I do ;)

takes $10 out of @cairdcoinheringaahing 's wallet, and heads to the coffee shop

Ginger

._.

caird coinheringaahing

That's some expensive coffee :P

Thomas Ward

@cairdcoinheringaahing it's 3 lattes :P

caird coinheringaahing

@ThomasWard Good, with how unruly this rabble are, we need all the diamonds we can get around here :P

@ThomasWard More of an iced coffee girl myself :P

Radvylf Programs

Fun fact: There are already 24 characters (not including bystanders and hyper's mom) in SE Nitro

Seggan

16:53

wait theres hypers mom

Radvylf Programs

Yeah she works at the Canadian CIA

Thomas Ward

@cairdcoinheringaahing 'tis also fun to just lurk here too it's a nice community

this channel IS on my favorites list :)

and as for diamonds being here well

points up at the orbital diamond platforms diamond strikes are always ready >:D

Seggan

@RadvylfPrograms we need orbital diamond strikes in SE nitro now :P

Thomas Ward

@cairdcoinheringaahing i mean i would

but it's cold as heck here right now

so i mean

consumes all the hot coffee and caffeine

caird coinheringaahing

17:08

@ThomasWard I drink iced coffee when there's snow on the ground :P

DLosc

@Catija It's been discussed before, yes.

Thomas Ward

@cairdcoinheringaahing i mean so do i

but the reason i'm not today is

because renovations in this building required them shutting off the gas lines today

so no heat

therefore, really really cold

caird coinheringaahing

@Catija We actually used to, but slightly more regularly, but eventually decided on sticking with 1

We got at least up to 10: codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/q/1211/66833

In fact, looks like our current sandbox is the 15th Sandbox

Radvylf Programs

Maybe we should start a new sandbox for 2023 :p

Catija

I was just thinking... it's got to be hard to find the recent answers, though I guess y'all just sort by modified date here instead of votes?

Radvylf Programs

17:17

yeah

Seggan

@Catija even with normal posts i always keep it on modified

caird coinheringaahing

@Catija I sort by modified by default on main and meta, so yep. Plus, there's a link in the question body to a search for your own posts if it's been a while since you edited it

Seggan

@RadvylfPrograms lets do that

caird coinheringaahing

Any feedback beyond the feedback already in the comments?

DLosc

17:48

@lyxal BQN, 5 bytes: @+2×↕

mousetail

17:59

@Catija This entire site only works if you sort by modified

DLosc

@cairdcoinheringaahing 1) Do double conveyor belts chain indefinitely? I.e. if there's a sequence >> >> >> >> C1 and my robot lands on the leftmost one, does it get sent all the way to C1?

2) I assume if you try to move to PA you just stay where you were previously? And if another bot tries to push you into PA, both bots stay where they were?

3) Can bots move onto *v when they're not being rebooted?

4) "score: a boolean, indicating whether you have landed on Checkpoint 1 yet." Should probably make explicit that True means you have already landed on Checkpoint 1 (this is mentioned in passing later on)

Overall impression: It looks very complex; I'm not sure how many submissions you're going to get (what happens if there are fewer than six, BTW?). But I am now interested in playing the board game!

Seggan

^

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Q: ><> numbers metagolf

I struggle to easily encode big numbers in ><>. If only there was a program that could find the best way for me? What is ><> ><>, pronounced "fish", is a esoteric 2dimentional programing language. We will consider a subset here, consisting of the following commands: 0123456789 push one number to...

code-challenge restricted-complexity metagolf

caird coinheringaahing

18:24

@DLosc 1) Double conveyers simply move you two spaces along the direction at the end of the register. So if your robot's instruction in one register ended it on the leftmost one, it'd be moved 2 to the right (to the 3rd from left), then the next register would activate. If the instruction in that register left them in the same place (e.g. a turn), then at the end of the register, the robot would be moved onto C1

2) Yep, exactly.

3) Yes, and it acts like an empty space in that case. If a robot is rebooted, they shunt the robot on *v South.

4) Good point, will do. I'll edit the Sandbox post soon with the clarifications

@DLosc Then I'll either throw in an example bot or 2, or just run it with the bots submitted. The game works with 2 or more players. The actual board game is very fun. It comes with 6 different boards (2 sided) that you can combine into massive factories, with up to 6 checkpoints. Additionally, it has upgrades you can give your robot, additional "damage" cards like Spam but much worse, and multiple other board elements, like lasers, gears, shunts and pits

I think you can also change the location of the Priority Antenna, but I've never actually done that :P

Catija

18:41

@mousetail Score forever!!!

Ginger

~~if you like score so much why don't you solve the popcon problem for us~~

caird coinheringaahing

If SE could solve the popcon problem for us, and hadn't, I think we leave the platform :P

mousetail

19:07

LDQ Infinitely recursive flatten or single level flatten, or N depth flatten with parameter N. I would like to have just 2 of 3.

I have a builtin for infinity already

emanresu A

Vyxal overloads 2 and 3 into the same builtin.

mousetail

For parsing I need everything to have a fixed arity

Catija

19:26

Is the popcorn problem the fact that we're always out because my kids like eating it so much?

I'm going to have to figure out how to forget about my draft for a week so I can ask it during WB. The Chat GPT stuff isn't distracting enough.

DLosc

19:37

@Catija Popcon = popularity-contest: a challenge type where the scoring criterion, instead of code-golf or fastest-code, is simply "Which answer gets the highest score?" It's been controversial for years because it attracts a lot of poorly conceived challenges and it's hard to argue that "most popular" is an objective winning criterion, but at the same time there have been several really good popcon challenges, so we don't want to completely get rid of it.

Ginger

20:10

@emanresuA ffs vyxal even got builtins for numbers :p

emanresu A

And?

Ginger

yeah that too

DLosc

20:26

@Ginger So does Pip (but not 2 or 3) ;P

@mousetail Do you have an easy way to "do N times"?

Actually, even if you don't, I'd say flatten once is more useful. I don't remember the last time I needed to flatten less than all but more than twice.

Radvylf Programs

20:46

Maybe "flatten all but one time"

But that requires your "flatten N times" built-in to work with negative numbers

And it's easy to forget to implement that meaningfully

mousetail

20:58

@DLosc Not super easy, you could do range reduce but it would cost at least 4 bytes

Maybe I should add a builtin for that too

Fmbalbuena

21:38

Any feedback?

Catija

@DLosc Ah, thanks! :D I feel like that would be useful for the more artistic-style languages. :)

DLosc

Some of my favorite challenges on this site have been popularity contests. I understand why "Make something awesome" is too vague/subjective for SE--but the results were awesome!

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