The Nineteenth Byte

null

13:07

oh well

@mousetail My fault, one should never say "every"

@UndoneStudios Active users today don't even know Kamila Szewczyk? Looks like I'm old already.

mousetail

Can you give a example of a answer that's obviousy impressive even to someone unfamilar with the language?

UndoneStudios

Quest for tetris

i mean, you know cgol, nvm

null

Like this:

158

A: "DDoouubbllee ssppeeaakk!!"

Malbolge, 20775 and 2334 bytes Probably I didn't beat anyone with it, but it was incredibly fun to make. bP&A@?>=<;:9876543210/.-,+*)('&%$T"!~}|;]yxwvutslUSRQ.yx+i)J9edFb4`_^]\yxwRQ)(TSRQ]m!G0KJIyxFvDa%_@?"=<5:98765.-2+*/.-,+*)('&%$#"!~}|utyrqvutsrqjonmPkjihgfedc\DDYAA\>>Y;;V886L5322G//D,,G))>&&A...

And this:

72

A: "DDoouubbllee ssppeeaakk!!"

Seed, 6013 3942 3884 3865 3848 bytes 6 26861502285539102515901397070256150365632044978239636357177681292397718710660221735065504805108826282592670282262905779855845828299870996061109156561171771135550956468418415202248003337547937321765614798006118562588120066703859817091676793284978625032847731...

Not one of the APL answers.

UndoneStudios

@null Well I'm only 9 months old, so yeah.

mousetail

@null People just assume it's good because it's long

Or because that language is really hard to write anything in

null

13:10

@mousetail Well, can you reverse engineer Mersenne Twister?

mousetail

No, because I'm unfamiliar with the language

UndoneStudios

If we had access to _random, yes.

null

@mousetail I believe that already implies it's impressive/effortful enough.

UndoneStudios

@null unless she just made it up

mousetail

By that logic every pearl answer is impressive

UndoneStudios

13:11

which is 89.7563% likely

null

@mousetail What is pearl

UndoneStudios

@mousetail you've fell to the trap?

null

@UndoneStudios ?

UndoneStudios

@null a lang, apparently?

null

Perl?

IDK

UndoneStudios

13:12

@null that's my possibilities of her making up mersenne twister being reversed

null

@UndoneStudios Seed is on TIO...

UndoneStudios

and?

null

And?

UndoneStudios

ANd?

null

AND?

UndoneStudios

13:13

aND?

null

anD?

I don't get how people write Seed programs without reversing MT

UndoneStudios

and?

null

If you managed to do so I think you will get as many upvotes.

UndoneStudios

@null Actually I am making a CGoL answer to my RGB challenge

so

null

@UndoneStudios AnD?

@UndoneStudios wat challenge

UndoneStudios

13:15

apparently twas you who isn't active

20

Q: RGB to hexadecimal

Based off a Scratch project The pen extension in Scratch has a set pen color to () block. The () is normally a color dropdown, but you can also use the join()() block. In the join()() block, normally a hex value is in the first input, but the second is just an empty string. However, many new Sc...

null

I'm not active

I only returned two days ago or so

UndoneStudios

kinda explains why the only reason you love Kamilia is cuz she was active when you were

null

@UndoneStudios ~~If I see it I will downvote it because it's not written in Rule X3VI, which is, THE ONLY AND BEST 2-STATE CELLULAR AUTOMATON.~~

Ginger

boo

lyxal

@Ginger ah!

Ginger

13:18

hey who filled the starboard with random stars

UndoneStudios

Here @mousetail now manage my HR

lyxal

@Ginger don't startle me like that at this time of night!

null

@Ginger Not me, obviously.

Ginger

@lyxal >:)

UndoneStudios

@Ginger somebody starred my "> beeches" message

Ginger

13:18

in other news I think the word spreading is working

null

@UndoneStudios Which is, not me.

Lyxal is still active?

lyxal

@Ginger it sure is

Ginger

we have reached 19 followers for the Langdev.SE proposal

lyxal

@null I sure am

UndoneStudios

@Ginger obviously

Ginger

13:19

@null "active" might be an understatement

null

@lyxal Good thing.

UndoneStudios

@null you've got a long way to go sigh

Ginger

how many consecutive days so far?

lyxal

@Ginger if it wasn't for covid, probably 1.5k

Ginger

damn

null

13:20

@UndoneStudios What?

lyxal

1.2k probably actually

Ginger

aw darn I lost my streak

lyxal

but I just had to accidentally miss a day because I just happened to be too sick to use SE for a single day gosh dang it

UndoneStudios

I KNOW

I literally nearly got 50 days but broke at 48

lyxal

so now my streak is only 134 days

null

13:21

oh

lyxal

despite the fact I've still managed to see 99.9% of the last 3 years

UndoneStudios

@null you've missed a lot

so welcome back

lyxal

@null I managed a thousand-day streak that ended in July this year and now it's a meager 134

null

@UndoneStudios Oh

UndoneStudios

whoa

null

13:22

@lyxal Good thing

Ginger

I'm pretty sure that this is emanresuA trying to get Area51 working :p

the comments from the devs are the best part

mousetail

I had a lot of trouble too

UndoneStudios

what

lyxal

@Ginger I doubt it

null

@Ginger Is emanresuA A_?

Ginger

13:23

We've known Area 51 is very broken for a very long time. It's ancient code that's barely been touched in just as long and as far as I know there are no plans to touch it. The only real reason Area 51 is still up right now is that it still works, kind of, to the extent that it could possibly be useful, and nobody can really decide on whether to scrap it and start over with something else or actually invest the monumental amount of time it would take to "fix" it. — animuson ♦ 7 hours ago

see, even the devs agree that it's zucked up

UndoneStudios

> If I see it I will downvote it because it's not written in Rule X3VI, which is, THE ONLY AND BEST 2-STATE CELLULAR AUTOMATON.

lyxal

@null different people

UndoneStudios

@mousetail

mousetail

?

null

@lyxal just curious.

UndoneStudios

13:24

see I told you my Valentine's CGoL answer would get downvoted

and even Ginger booed

lyxal

@null I haven't seen A__ for about a year now

null

Bad thing :(

lyxal

precisely

null

@UndoneStudios Link?

UndoneStudios

It's not done yet

there is a reason why I called it "Valentine's answer"

lyxal

13:27

@null although the funny thing is that A__ and EmanresuA might as well be the same user - they've both been major supports in influencing Vyxal :p

null

Alright

Ginger

@UndoneStudios eh?

UndoneStudios

9 mins ago, by Ginger

boo

Ginger

@UndoneStudios that was not in reference to you lol

I just said that as a greeting

UndoneStudios

Strange

Ginger

13:28

also, please rember that the A51 proposal needs people to vote on question ideas in order to progress!

lyxal

@Ginger it wasn't very nice of you to spookle me like that especially when it's night time smh

null

> boo

UndoneStudios

I've seen no one use "BOO" as a greeting

null

> as a greeting

Ginger

@null we do minor quantities of frightening

5

UndoneStudios

13:29

@Ginger yes and what do we do abt it

Ginger

you vote on question ideas

and propose question ideas if you have any

null

A New Kind of Greeting, by Stephen Ginger Wolfram.

UndoneStudios

we need people

Ginger

we need 40 question ideas with >= 10 score

UndoneStudios

ask people

c'mon

Ginger

13:29

Apr 10 at 11:12, by Ginger

Mar 7 at 12:39, by Ginger Industries

yesterday, by Ginger Industries

Feb 3 at 23:32, by lyxal

@GingerIndustries Dang bro don't doxx me like that

mousetail

40 is a lot, 10 is a lot

UndoneStudios

I've done my part

Ginger

@mousetail ik, I guess it's to make sure that the site is, yknow, good

mousetail

Yea but it seems unlikely we'll reach it

Ginger

(we also need 41 more followers)

UndoneStudios

13:30

by advertising in discord

mousetail

Anyway I can post 4 more questions and am out of ideas. Anyone who has reached their question limit want to help?

Ginger

@mousetail well the proposal's only existed for a day and we already have 19 followers and 2 question ideas with >= 10 score, so I think patience is needed

UndoneStudios

@mousetail I am in the same situation

btw if we do get this to exist who'll post the first question?

me

mousetail

No

Or I guess why not

Ginger

maybe Radvylf

UndoneStudios

13:32

@Ginger I agree

Ginger

the real question is who will be the mods?

mousetail

Is Radvylf automatically the first moderator?

UndoneStudios

@mousetail ~~probs~~

null

@Ginger Redwolf

UndoneStudios

@Ginger we elect them

Ginger

13:32

I think once the site becomes operational there's an election

lyxal

@mousetail one of the first

mousetail

He's under 18 though

Ginger

^ ninja'd

UndoneStudios

true

lyxal

protem mods are chosen when site creation happens

and they run stuff until an election can be done

Ginger

13:33

chosen by a vote or just automagic "first followers"?

mousetail

How are protem mods chosen?

UndoneStudios

@lyxal yeah we can elect him for that

but how?

lyxal

@mousetail good question

UndoneStudios

and do they still have under-18 limit?

Ginger

so is the site logo and stuff also set when the site is made? because I propose the esolangs.org lime logo (which is CC0 licensed)

UndoneStudios

13:34

@Ginger lime logo? why?

we need something else

Ginger

the lime is a language design tradition

lyxal

SE chooses the mods apparently

null

@Ginger I'm curious why the logo of Esolang Wiki is lime.

lyxal

Moderator Pro Tempore

Robert Cartaino on July 27, 2010

There’s a bit of a leadership vacuum inside the new Stack Exchange communities in public beta. We’ve put a lot of responsibility on each group to take ownership of their own site. The Stack Exchange team can act as guide, but we don’t always have the domain knowledge to understand the needs of each group.…

UndoneStudios

@null Ask the Limers

(idk who they are)

Ginger

13:36

ok so according to that blog post the best way to become a protem mod is to just be really active on the site

also brb

mousetail

Ok I'm active

UndoneStudios

@Ginger meaning all of us (Excluding null)?

null

@UndoneStudios I will be soon!

But actually, my name is TwilightSparkle/HighlyRadioactive, but not null.

mousetail

Ideally you'd be active on many sites

I guess

UndoneStudios

so am i

no

mousetail

13:38

So time to post a lot of answers on code review

UndoneStudios

im not

@mousetail gasps

our arch-enemy?

null

@mousetail How to use CR?

mousetail

CR?

null

I never really get it.

UndoneStudios

code review

lyxal

13:39

@UndoneStudios ~~you say arch-enemy I say perfect platform for advertising certain esolangs~~

mousetail

@null Post some code you want to review or review some code

UndoneStudios

as in, verbose answering

basically make your code the opposite of golfed

null

The way how CGCC works is clear, you post challenges and you solve challenges.

@lyxal :)

UndoneStudios

The way how CR works is clear, you post question and you solve questions.

@lyxal i only made ACCUMULATOR

available on my website

null

@UndoneStudios Well, then I'm posting Code Review stuff in CGCC in the last three years.

That's what I'm doing.

UndoneStudios

13:40

One Time Only

@null Then quit us

Ginger

and back

UndoneStudios

ok @ginger

null

hai

Ginger

you have to be active on the beta site

UndoneStudios

give us a crash course on being a protem mod

then

mousetail

13:42

But who will be the mods while the site is in beta?

UndoneStudios

pro-protem mods

i think

lyxal

whoever nominates themselves and is chosen to be a protem mod

UndoneStudios

what is the requirement for being nominated

is over-18 still there?

mousetail

Sad, it seems reddit is no longer active enough to farm karma on askouija so I can't quickly get a new account enough karma to post the language on r/programing

UndoneStudios

if so Radvylf is out :(

null

13:44

:(

lyxal

@mousetail what would you want to post there?

because I (a certified redditor) could do that

null

@UndoneStudios I think you can try to talk less aggressively.

mousetail

the langdev se site

lyxal

well duh

mousetail

the account would probably get banned so I don't want to use a real account

lyxal

13:45

but what message

null

@mousetail But why?

lyxal

r/programminglanguages is probably a better fit

mousetail

I'd suggest all of them

UndoneStudios

@null I'm always aggressive, I'm a nerd, I'm a programmer, I am a maths enthusiast and a topper, and I'm singled out for that

negatively

@mousetail knows

null

@UndoneStudios I'm a nerd, I'm a programmer, I am a maths enthusiast, and I'm not aggressive.

Probably in some communities, but not here.

UndoneStudios

13:46

@null maths topper?

mousetail

@lyxal Are you interested in designing and building programing languages? We're trying to build a community about that on stack exchange. However, we need more follows and questions to make that happen.

UndoneStudios

@mousetail I have an awesome idea for one, but i need this website to happen so I can make my lang happen

which is also why I'm aggressive for it

mousetail

Go ahead and post that

If we all post the mods can't ban us all

UndoneStudios

For that mods need to exist

mousetail

I mean the reddit mods

UndoneStudios

13:48

I'm not on reddit

I've too many accounts to manage all

null

I'm not on reddit

mousetail

Well r/askouija used to be a good way to join reddit

but today it seems slow

null

@mousetail But if we all post, will the people even want to join? :(

UndoneStudios

for some reason @null's been copying me

mousetail

A few probably

UndoneStudios

13:49

@null no one knows

until we try

lyxal

reddit.com/r/programming/comments/yykj9w/…

null

Personally I think that posting about something multiple times is a very good way

...to make people hate it.

UndoneStudios

I was about to complete that

but you did

with "to make people kill it"

null

:62398320

> are you interesting in designing and building?

Sound like typical spam.

UndoneStudios

@null OF COURSE

null

13:51

interested*

UndoneStudios

I need another lang so that I'm not at a level where people see me as someone who can't create a lang

but we need to work as a team to make this website happen

who knows what could come out of it!

DialFrost

@null ye lmao

UndoneStudios

So what are we gonna do about the Radvylf mod thing?

lyxal

@null but spam doesn't typically come from an account that is 4 years old and has 23k reddit karma

mousetail

It's not our problem

lyxal

13:53

y'all realise other people might be interested in modding the site, right?

null

@lyxal Oh well, good point.

UndoneStudios

@mousetail In a way, it's mine

mousetail

In what way?

UndoneStudios

@lyxal we should ask

@mousetail If I seriously don't get some questions answered, I won't get another lang off the ground

and langdev.se will help me in it

but if its not released becuz some issues I won't get another lang off

mousetail

Ok then propose those questions. You said you had some slots left

lyxal

13:55

so far so good

mousetail

@UndoneStudios Also you can ask questions during the LDW

UndoneStudios

Sounds too "self focused though"

DialFrost

@lyxal noice

UndoneStudios

@mousetail left ball wicket? no wait what is LDW?

Left democratic wing?

mousetail

Language Design Workshop

DialFrost

13:56

@UndoneStudios left directed winger

UndoneStudios

@mousetail That mean's radvylf's site is redundant

mousetail

It's the same thing but not in chat

and not specific to golfing

UndoneStudios

@mousetail done. Now radvylf must retract his proposal unless it truly is something different from LDW

lyxal

I've added 3 more questions

mousetail

@UndoneStudios There's room for both, the format is very different

DialFrost

13:57

@lyxal ~~I've added -1 questions because i have no idea what its about~~

UndoneStudios

@mousetail now your confusing me

mousetail

just saying you should not give up on a language just because you can't get your help in a specific format

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