The Nineteenth Byte

Seggan

21:05

did you fix the black and whiteness

Ginger

ffs the repl is so big it causes replit to break

@Seggan idk because replit isn't letting me download the result

working on it now

Seggan

why dont you do it locally

Ginger

I can't answer that.

Seggan

why are you being so secretive :P

Ginger

because answering that question would involve revealing personal data

which I am not willing to do

Seggan

21:07

oooh

ok then

interesting how

but i wont ask

Ginger

look if there were an easier way I'dve'd done it by now

hmm, wait

one sec

Seggan

@Ginger im not mad at you or anything, just interested in what ure doing

Ginger

it's fine

Radvylf Programs

@Ginger Sure. How big are they?

Ginger

well

the image I'm working on rn (which is of all of mars at medium resolution) is 247.5 MB

which might explain why replit had issues with it

if you have a SFTP URL I can send it to you

Radvylf Programs

21:15

Oh well that's nothing, I'll host it for you

Ginger

problem: it's still in black&white for some reason

Radvylf Programs

SFTP requires you to have SSH creds to my server, doesn't it?

Ginger

I think so :b

Radvylf Programs

@Ginger Seems like you should make sure the image is the correct one before you publish it :p

@Ginger Send me your SSH pubkey, I'll make an account for you on my droplet

Ginger

here's a resized version of the latest image:

Radvylf Programs

21:20

Well worst case scenario you can sell it on the black market as modern art

Ginger

is it safe to put the public ssh key here?

Radvylf Programs

Yeah, as long as you're sure it's the public one

Ginger

ok, here it is:
ssh-rsa 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 ginger@gingerbox

Radvylf Programs

And don't post the private one ofc

Ginger

yea lol

Radvylf Programs

21:26

Okay try SSHing to [email protected]

Lmk what fingerprint you get so I can check it

Ginger

hmmmmmmmm

I got SHA256:ixJuvHM5GJEMfEwIertp+MndEUNYke8zVoavV7RwSLU for the fingerprint but it's not letting me in

gimme a sec while I check my config

Radvylf Programs

What error does it give you, I could have stuff misocnfigured on my side

Ginger

permission denied

I set a special key file for you but I don't think ssh knows that

Radvylf Programs

Try again, I didn't have you listed as an allowed user

Ginger

oh

yup, works!

Radvylf Programs

21:29

Nice

Ginger

lemme send you the file rq

Radvylf Programs

Don't do anything dangerous with the droplet since that's the one that hosts all my sites and stuff, but if you need it for anything else later on I can give you sudo access

Ginger

got it :p

Radvylf Programs

I can type

Ginger

ok, file has been put

it's not the final one but it did get put

Radvylf Programs

21:33

Okay I see it

A tiffany file

Ginger

can you do me a favor and set up a NFS share on that droplet that I can use? (if you forgor how to do that I like this guide)

brb

Radvylf Programs

When I get home I guess

For now, you can access that file at https://radvylfprograms.com/outbig.tiff

Ginger

cool and spicy

@RadvylfPrograms wait, why can't you do it remotely? it's just a little bit of file editing and I'd assume you have control over what ports are visible

also, fun fact: I contributed (minorly) to that guide

although IDK how secure NFS is d:

Seggan

22:14

hmm ginger did you find out why its still black and white

Ginger

will work on it tmrw

Radvylf Programs

@Ginger I can do it remotely, but while I'm driving home would be a bit irresponsible, right? :p

Ginger

lmao

you'll be fiiine

Radvylf Programs

(not that someone didn't almost drive right into the side of my car at 45 mph anyway, thanks person)

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing shiiiiiiit. Now where am I going to go to get help with the two windows phones I never use if I ever need help?

emanresu A

22:25

oh noes

Now we don't have sandbox.se anymore

Ginger

darn it

lyxal

@RadvylfPrograms I think that'd be cool

Ginger

~~time to write up an Area51 post~~

/srs there's already a Conlangs.SE, why not a programming language one as well?

Radvylf Programs

It's just a matter of getting enough people aware of it

Seggan

^^

Ginger

22:33

@RadvylfPrograms ~~make a meta post~~

lyxal

@RadvylfPrograms I know a few places that would appreciate it

So I could do a little word spreading

I think it'd genuinely be a good idea

Ginger

how about we collectively write up a proposal then?

Radvylf Programs

I can post it I guess, since I came up with the idea (makes smug face)

lyxal

You'll need 5 example questions and 5 initial users

Ginger

me!

I'd raise my hand but you couldn't tell

lemme come up with a question...

DLosc

22:42

@Ginger 🙋‍♀️🙋‍♂️

Ginger

@Seggan how'd you feel about us using your Rol multi-target if question for a sample?

lyxal

Example question: why did language <x> choose to implement feature <y>

Ginger

very good

lyxal

Iirc example questions are best made generic if possible

It's been a while since I last did any area51ing lol

Ginger

what's the name of that shared text editing service we tried for katlani?

Radvylf Programs

22:44

@lyxal That could be viewed as a bad question for SE's Q&A format

I know on SO questions about why languages made certain choices are disallowed, because of the difficulty of objectively determining that

Though those sorts of questions do seem to regularly appear on Retrocomputing

I guess one question is, what would the scope of the site be

lyxal

Programming language design

And even maybe history of programming language design

Radvylf Programs

Well yeah duh, but what aspects of it

Ginger

Example question V2: What is the most efficient way to implement <some language feature> in <some parent language>?

Radvylf Programs

Questions about implementing interpreters/compilers? Sort of like how Gamedev allows questions about gamedev technoologies

@Ginger That feels like a bad fit, "most efficient" is hard to judge

Ginger

~~sounds like it needs an objective scoring criterion then~~

lyxal

22:47

Maybe aspects like garbage collection, object oriented stuff, macros, all that kinda stuff

Ginger

Example question V3: Should I include <some feature> in my standard library? <description of language and goals>

Radvylf Programs

Ginger

well, you have a website

lyxal

Code golf stack exchange

Radvylf Programs

@Ginger 🚨 SUBJECTIVITY ALERT 🚨

@Ginger My website is not a "community"

@lyxal CGCC is not collectively supporting this proposal, four people on it are :p

Ginger

22:49

@RadvylfPrograms not yet... *opens lambda.chat code folder*

@RadvylfPrograms bruh this site isn't going to be CGCC /s

lyxal

@RadvylfPrograms make a github organisation of language designers :p

Radvylf Programs

@Ginger Questions which are more subjective than objective are strictly against SE's Q&A format

That question is basically a poll

I don't think Area 51's really meant for proposing sites without an existing group of at least 100 people willing to back it

Ginger

@lyxal you said you knew some people?

lyxal

discord.gg/WevqpTe6

384 members

Ginger

that'll get em

Radvylf Programs

22:54

"knew"? What did you do to them, Ginger?

lyxal

Server name is "compilers and interpreters"

Ginger

@RadvylfPrograms I'd advise you to stop asking questions like that; else they might be answered.

lyxal

I also suspect there could be interest from esolang servers

Radvylf Programs

area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/127456/…

Ginger

would it be a good idea to make a pinned message for that?

lyxal

23:00

Word has been spreadified

Radvylf Programs

It would probably be a conflict of interest if I did so

Ginger

this is Exciting

lyxal

Word has been even more spreadified

Radvylf Programs

If anyone here would be interested in supporting a proposed SE site for programming language design and implementation, follow this proposal, and check out the chat room!

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^ y'all can star that if you want, I prob won't pin it tho

Ginger

wait that's your Proposal Affiliate Link isn't it

Radvylf Programs

23:05

Yeah I make money with every purchase /s

Ginger

@RadvylfPrograms looks like that decision was made for you :p

lyxal

It sure was

Radvylf Programs

Ooh TIL Area 51 has disallowed future cryptocurrency-specific sites

Ginger

I wonder why

emanresu A

Welp it won't let me register

or login

lyxal

23:10

Holy frick I just remembered I've got another place to send the word: the langjam discord server

Ginger

I KNEW YOU WOULD [[Site Proposal Accepted]]!!!

lyxal

Ight that's 4 places I've advertised the site

3 servers + my github profile

Ginger

cool

Radvylf Programs

Ooh nice

lyxal

Next will be my profile here + r/programminglanguages

Radvylf Programs

23:13

Oh lemme add it to me profile

emanresu A

Can someone add these questions for me?
- What are the advantages and disadvantages of implementing a custom IDE?
- What are common ways to optimise an interpreted language?
- Should character arrays be distinct from strings or not, and why?
- What are the advantages and disadvantages of immutability
- How could custom infix operators be implemented in a parser?

Also would golflangs be on-topic?

Radvylf Programs

We only get five questions each

Ginger

^

emanresu A

Ah okay

Radvylf Programs

@emanresuA I think so

emanresu A

23:15

I'll see if I can sort mine out and add five

lyxal

@emanresuA I think so

Radvylf Programs

What error is it giving you?

lyxal

@emanresuA more generally, esolangs

Ginger

slapped in my bio

@lyxal there'll probably have to be a esolangs tag

emanresu A

golfing-languages

Radvylf Programs

23:17

^

No reason not to have a more specific tag for golflangs

lyxal

fair enough

it's working

my word spreadification is working!

(i think)

Ginger

oh yeah, it's all coming together

DialFrost

@Steffan the pysearch aint working still

lyxal

9 followers and counting

emanresu A

Guess I can't participate then

"no user found"

Ginger

23:28

@emanresuA it shows you as following on my end

lyxal

@emanresuA do you want me to add those?

emanresu A

Yeah, it won't let me verify/register/whatever

I can add them though?

Frick I can only submit them every three minutes ಠ_ಠ

Ginger

f

DialFrost

anyone know how to fix this code? (julia) happy numbers

for i=0:1001
 x=i
 while x>4 x=sum(Int(j)^2 for j in "$x")end
 x==1&&println(i)
end

emanresu A

It kinda makes sense that you don't need a regular SE account to join, but the way they've implemented it is cursed

Ginger

23:36

more followers be requir'd

DialFrost

@Ginger more followers for what?

Ginger

@emanresuA yea area51 isn't technically a SE site, it just looks like one

@DialFrost this

DialFrost

@Ginger issit just me or does the design of area51 look like crap

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