The Nineteenth Byte

user

17:01

Radvylf, could you please run this harmless little command? It'll make your computer run faster. killall -9 user :P

Ginger

ಠ_ಠ

Sʨɠɠan

NO DONT

we have the chance to see an advanced AI in operation :P

Sʨɠɠan

@DialFrost change BEGIN to END

Sʨɠɠan

CMC: according to this, how many Sʨɠɠans exist in the year given as input?

2022 -> 2
111 -> 1
1101 -> 1

Ginger

17:17

that's only the 3rd challenge of some sort that my offhanded joke has spawned, I feel so proud :b

Sʨɠɠan

this one, stegganography, and whats the 3rd one?

DLosc

@Sʨɠɠan How far out do we need to handle? Will 1121222 ever be an input?

DLosc

17:39

If so...

@Sʨɠɠan BQN, 19 bytes: (⊑⎊'0'⍒∘⊒⊸⊏)1⊸<⟜⊒⊸/

which is, broadly, "Filter out the first and second occurrences of each character; get the most frequently occurring character in the remainder; if the remainder was empty, return '0' instead"

Sʨɠɠan

@DLosc signed integer limit for your lang

DLosc

(I'm taking input as strings, but okay)

Sʨɠɠan

18:05

Vyxal, 8 bytes: Try it Online!

Neil

@Sʨɠɠan I thought a better choice was the second least frequent digit, so 2020 0 is most frequent followed by 2 (secondary sort by value), 2021 2 0 1, 2022 2 0, second least frequent is 0 0 2 as desired. (2023 would be 0 under this calculation.)

Sʨɠɠan

Oops, that doesn't work. 9 bytes: Try it Online!

Actully 8 with that useless builtin: Try it Online!

Sʨɠɠan

what does ↑ do

Radvylf Programs

18:28

Ugh I hate 2021 Radvylf, why did he do this to me

sections[0] = (a => a[0].reverse().concat(a[1]))(sections[0].reduce(([a, b], c) => a.length > b.length ? [a, b.concat(c)] : [a.concat(c), b], [[], []]));

Ginger

ideal JS

Sʨɠɠan

thats unintelligible as unintelligible gets

Ginger

I've made worse Python

DLosc

18:42

@Ginger For a moment I thought you were saying you'd invented a new language that's like Python but worse

Ginger

~~well I did, it was called Etch~~

Radvylf Programs

@RadvylfPrograms If anyone wants to know what/why this does, it's given a roughly ascending list of numbers, and it rearranges them such that the ones closest to the end are in the middle of the resulting list

It's for terrain generation, this picks the sizes of city blocks. It has a list of city block sizes, sorted, and this orders them so that the biggest ones are close to the center

Ginger

@RadvylfPrograms question: wtf does this js code do? for(let s of ss) for(let _ in [...new Array(s.w)]) xs.push(s)

Radvylf Programs

@RadvylfPrograms (That's actually not a very realistic way to do it, but since the factories go in the center of the city in this game, and they're big, I need big blocks in the center)

@Ginger Pushes s.w ss to xs for each s in ss

Is this my hexasweep code?

Ginger

no, it's something else

Radvylf Programs

18:47

ah

It feels like something I've written, but it also very much doesn't

Ginger

it's not you

Radvylf Programs

I might have a JS soulmate out there then

Ginger

maybe :b

now I have to make sure you never meet

for the good of the world

Sʨɠɠan

@RadvylfPrograms what did you need terrain gen for? im interested now :P

Radvylf Programs

My zombie game

I'm working on it again

Sʨɠɠan

18:50

never heard of it

Ginger

@RadvylfPrograms one(?) more thing: is the behavior of this js code the same as that of Python's list.sort function? let sortby = (xs, f)=> xs.slice().sort((a, b)=> f(b) - f(a))

Radvylf Programs

It sorts by a key

Descending

Ginger

hmm

ok

mousetail

Ginger

vyxal git commit graph be like

mousetail

18:53

I made windows by accident

Sʨɠɠan

@RadvylfPrograms randomly?

like whats the algo

Ginger

what does this regex match? [\n.?!]

DLosc

@mousetail Related

Radvylf Programs

@Ginger Newline, possibly one non-newline character, then an exclamation point

Ginger

ok

graffe

19:01

@Sʨɠɠan that's fascinating. None start with a 2?

Radvylf Programs

@RadvylfPrograms Wait no

DLosc

@RadvylfPrograms That's a character class, isn't it?

Radvylf Programs

^

It's actually either a newline, dot, question mark, or exclamation point

graffe

@Sʨɠɠan oh you took it back

Ginger

ah, ok

Radvylf Programs

19:01

Alternatively, it's not a regex, it's the koala-with-a-monocle emoticon

emanresu A

Punctuation detection probably

Ginger

thx

Sʨɠɠan

3 hours ago, by Sʨɠɠan

@Sʨɠɠan it seems that it does follow this rule for n >= 78

major digit as in the repdigit digit

this was me hand-scanning the b file on OEIS lol

graffe

@Sʨɠɠan so for n =78 there are no near repdigit primes that start with 2?

Sʨɠɠan

1 min ago, by Sʨɠɠan

major digit as in the repdigit digit

i.e. for 1999999 the major digit is 9

graffe

19:06

Ah

That's still get interesting

How high did you get?

I guess if it's even then the minor digit has to be at the end and has to be odd

It can't be 5 or 0 ever

That leaves 1, 3, 7, 9

Sʨɠɠan

@graffe up to about 350

i was just scanning with my eyes while scrolling the b file, so i probs missed smth

graffe

@Sʨɠɠan does it get slow then?

@Sʨɠɠan ah ok. What is a b file?

Sʨɠɠan

edited in link

thats the file with all near repdigit primes on oeis

graffe

This is one for each n?

Sʨɠɠan

no

idk if theres one for each n

graffe

19:11

Who made that file?

There are multiple with 3 digits

Sʨɠɠan

first 5k were by Arkadiusz Wesolowski

oeis.org/A164937

graffe

But 0 only doesn't seem to occur much

Sʨɠɠan

more info ^^

graffe

Cool

Sʨɠɠan

oeis.org/A065074

near repunits with 0 ^

graffe

19:12

Thanks!

Sʨɠɠan

oeis.org/…

heres a search for related stuff ^

graffe

None start 20

@Sʨɠɠan that's cool

I wonder why none start 20, 30 etc

I really should pose my challenge

Sʨɠɠan

19:37

@Sʨɠɠan read the docs

max by tail

Sʨɠɠan

ah

thats weird

Ginger

ok so

I have ~~shamelessly ported from JS~~ made a markov-chain-powered chatbot which I intend to hook up to GingerBot

but it needs training data

Radvylf Programs

I have a TNB if you need it

Ginger

(I'm typing)

Radvylf Programs

It's a couple megabytes

Ginger

19:48

if you want to help, simply write a text file with each line alternating between a question and a response (so like "Hi\nHello there\nHow are you?\nGood, thanks"), upload it to a Gist, and send me the link

Radvylf Programs

@RadvylfPrograms Okay wait it's 470 MB

Ginger

try to make the dialogue make sense, and preferably don't make the bot be a giant asshole

Radvylf Programs

I'll just find every TNB message which ends in ? and has one or more replies

Ginger

ok, sounds good

Sʨɠɠan

@Ginger just use gpt or smth

Ginger

19:51

._.

Radvylf Programs

20:03

Okay I've got 110k question-answer pairs

Ginger

oh boy

where can I find it?

Sʨɠɠan

but

what if they dont match at all, like the pair above?

Radvylf Programs

@Ginger Gotta do slightly more processing, hold on

Ginger

ok

hopefully it doesn't take 5m for it to process an answer...

Sʨɠɠan

nah it takes 6

Ginger

20:07

:/

Radvylf Programs

20:29

Well it's a 12 MB file

Not sure I'm going to attempt putting this in a Gist

Sʨɠɠan

google drive

38

Q: Build a golfing language with me

A lot of PPCG users helped with the creation of this challenge, both in chat and the Sandbox, specifically Martin Ender, AdmBorkBork, Emigna and user202729 Our community has found it necessary to create a set of languages designed specifically for golfing, "golfing languages" as we call them. Su...

just found this

cool concept

emanresu A

not great implementation

The lang's too complex and the challenges too kolmogorov-complexity

Sʨɠɠan

true

DLosc

Yeah, the results were disappointing

Radvylf Programs

@Ginger drive.google.com/file/d/1BPScL2Eh9dy13sMjkfLBYfRdcQzyQMs4/…

emanresu A

20:36

My idea for a better one involved a jelly-like language with no strings and a fractional byte system, and challenges involving manipulating integer arrays/matrices/etc

Radvylf Programs

@RadvylfPrograms One issue is that a ton of answers are going to start with #252;ttner

emanresu A

what

why

Sʨɠɠan

@emanresuA that would have been the first fracbyte?

DLosc

@emanresuA And the kolmo challenges ended up just as "here's a string literal, print it" anyway :(

emanresu A

@Sʨɠɠan Definitely not

It was mid-2021 or smth

Sʨɠɠan

20:39

ah i thought you suggested that exact challenge be your lang

Radvylf Programs

@RadvylfPrograms Okay fixed

Sʨɠɠan

> Anyone here?
Hi @Aurel300!

emanresu A

This reads like one extremely long conversation

CMC: Pick messages from the flle to create a conversation

Radvylf Programs

If someone could process it in a good enough way, I feel like TNB's transcript could be the base of an incredibly powerful tool. Just type in a possibly CGCC-related question, it searches the transcripts for similar discussion, and generates the answer

It would take some pretty crazy AI to pull off though I think

Sʨɠɠan

> Also, how do you make it filter out HQ9+ and other nonsense entries?

huh?

never seen a single one

@RadvylfPrograms oooh

Radvylf Programs

20:45

With two million messages, we've got a lot of discussions on a lot of topics

Sʨɠɠan

i wanna train an ai now :P

Radvylf Programs

I think it would probably be best done with multiple AIs

Sʨɠɠan

how?

Radvylf Programs

Something like, one to break down the question into things to look for, one to find the information, and one to construct that into a response

emanresu A

Idea: AI that does maths based on internet results and calculates averages

2 + 2 would be 4.0000001

Sʨɠɠan

20:51

@RadvylfPrograms i think the 1st is not an ai at all

huggingface.co/tasks/question-answering

Ginger

back

caird coinheringaahing

@emanresuA Given that 2 + 2 = 5, I feel like the average would be larger

emanresu A

That's the point

Ginger

importing data now

it's taking a little while :p

caird coinheringaahing

@emanresuA If everyone got one free "redo" for a challenge they wrote, this would be mine 100%

Radvylf Programs

20:56

@Sʨɠɠan Is that not an AI

emanresu A

@cairdcoinheringaahing Thing is, you get unlimited redoes - as long as it's different enough

Ginger

it's still loading

Sʨɠɠan

@RadvylfPrograms no, but its a lib

remember that spam post last week about the antichrist and stuff?

Radvylf Programs

I'm...pretty sure it's AI. It lists PyTorch and TensorFlow as related resources.

It includes a "scripts for training" section

Ginger

@Sʨɠɠan I do :p

Sʨɠɠan

20:58

nvm i misunderstood ur q

Ginger

any minute now

Sʨɠɠan

@Ginger it said "Vincent Fusca" will win PA senate, and the person just got proved wrong

caird coinheringaahing

The biggest problems:
- actually contributing to the interpreter was most of the challenge. I'd rewrite it so that essentially, we work on the specification of a language, not the implementation
- the challenge selections for scoring. ideally, to get a general good golfign lang, you need much better variety of challenges, and potentially even to keep them "hidden" so there's no obvious special-casing
- I tried to make it as "open" as possible, to allow people lots of different ways to advance (hence the list 5 different memory models). it would've been better in the long run to decide on a …

Ginger

thanks for fukin restarting my repl replit

Sʨɠɠan

@cairdcoinheringaahing u saying we should do it again?

Radvylf Programs

21:00

We should do a redo of that challenge, really. It seems like it has a lot of potential

Ginger

^

caird coinheringaahing

I might redo it

Sʨɠɠan

lets do it

caird coinheringaahing

I do ask that, if it is redone, I get "first dibs" on deciding if I want to redo it myself, or let someone else take over

DLosc

^

Ginger

21:02

ok, it seems to be loading the pairs at a rate of *drumroll* 5 per second

oh, and it gets slower the more it loads

:/

Radvylf Programs

Well the good news is there's definitely room to optimize things

Ginger

yea

caird coinheringaahing

ಠ_ಠ I literally just cut my nails, and immediately needed to do something that's 100x easier with nails

Ginger

the code is a straight port of a JS implementation, so yea it can 100% be optimized

caird coinheringaahing

Like, I know that's always the case, but the pure immediacy of this was stupid

Ginger

21:04

the JS one is much faster

ATaco

@cairdcoinheringaahing Every. Damn. Time.

Ginger

ooh, tried the data with the JS one and:

USER: hi
SIM: hey, you about fun only want them using weight the first mark Knight in good enough questions with never by would point to program that colume helix confirm: You have bot will language people out ever?

hmmmmmmm

caird coinheringaahing

@ATaco tbh, I should've seen it coming. Used the scissors in my swiss army knife to trim them, then needed to open out the bottle opener from the same swiss army knife :P

Ginger

USER: how are you feeling
SIM: Working that the heigh?

Radvylf Programs

confirm: You have bot will language people out ever?

It knows its purpose already

To language us out

Ginger

21:06

ಠ_ಠ

ATaco

@Ginger yeah, that looks like a markov chain bot to me

Ginger

it is

USER: Are you going to language us out?
SIM: Looking on the Programming but findicate no ideas of you prove on search 12, 1951, into type ASCII pronourse (before that's on the lenient.

ATaco

What size tokens are you using? Words?

Ginger

dunno, I didn't make it

Radvylf Programs

Looks less than words, given findicate and pronourse

ATaco

21:08

Oh true, probably characters then

Ginger

I g2g for a little while, for my parting gift here's the website whose code I ported

Radvylf Programs

Nah, a markov chain on characters would look like ASCII spam, right?

Ginger

the author is actually a CGCC user, which is how I found it

biya

ATaco

The site will always be PPCG to me

Sʨɠɠan

never

> Can you rephrase that for me?
Can you rephrase that for me?
What if the best approach is wordy (i.e. ill suited for code-golf) but there is a short, ugly hack that will often work?
What if the best approach is wordy (i.e. ill suited for code-golf) but there is a short, ugly hack that will often work?

hehe the midnight utc lag

Jo King

21:22

this site is bookmarked under both PPCG and CG.SE for me

Sʨɠɠan

21:35

i was like

waiiiit, i never said that

DLosc

21:51

@cairdcoinheringaahing My redo would be this challenge. It's not a bad challenge, but in hindsight I should've been a lot more flexible about extra whitespace.

Sʨɠɠan

DLosc

@Sʨɠɠan Array(17).join(1 + undefined) + " Batman"

Sʨɠɠan

That will print something like NaNNaN....... Batman, I think

Yep

I knew that 1 + undefined was NaN, but I thought null acted the same

Just use ~~ :P

1 + ~~undefined = 1

DLosc

22:08

4

A: Implement Takewhile

Perl 5 + Perligata, 173 bytes 145 bytes, plus 28 for -MLingua::Romana::Perligata Use as perl -MLingua::Romana::Perligata foo.pl; input (from stdin) and output (to stdout) are underscore-separated strings of decimal integers. Tested on Strawberry 5.20.2 with version 0.6 of Perligata, released two ...

There's a Perl package that lets you write Perl code in Latin o_o

emanresu A

@Ginger It's python, what do you expect

Radvylf Programs

Ugh I want to buy a very specific mousepad but it is sold out literally everywhere except the DRC

Does anybody here live in Australia who's willing to international-ship a mouse pad to me

I found a shady Australian mouse pad dealer who's charging twice the normal price for a backorder one but they only ship within AUS

Ginger

cc @lyxal

or is he the shady mouse pad dealer? :b

oh dear, I summoned him

emanresu A

22:23

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lyxal

So let me get this straight - you want one of our high quality mouse pads

Radvylf Programs

:o There's exactly one left at a store in Canada, only in-person, in Waterloo Ontario

emanresu A

gl

Radvylf Programs

Maybe I could get hyper to ship it to me :p

Ginger

I'm going on vacation to Canada in December, maybe I can get it for you :b

hey @hyper-neutrino are you near Waterloo, Ontario?

@lyxal it certainly seems so

lyxal

22:27

Well we don't give those out to just anyone

Ginger

what're the criterion?

lyxal

You need to sign at least 203 forms indicating your worthiness of owning it

Radvylf Programs

I can prove that I am a t r u e a u s t r a l i a

emanresu A

Also

Aug 30, 2021 at 1:19, by emanresu A

Find out if you have Lyxalitis

lyxal

@Ginger You're also required to commit tax evasion

Just a little thing to see if we can trust you + makes our lives easier

emanresu A

22:28

Or get vyxal bot to do it

Ginger

where's that joke about the guy who, upon being asked if he had committed any crimes while applying for Australian citizenship, replied "No, is that still required?"

USER: Eggs
SIM: "Baka"?

LMAO

that's pretty good for a markov chain

DLosc

@lyxal I know all the words to Waltzing Matilda, does that count?

hyper-neutrino

@Ginger i am; a) why do you ask b) how do you know

oh wait cuz of what radvylf said

lyxal

@DLosc good enough for me

hyper-neutrino

yes I happen to live in waterloo

Ginger

22:39

@hyper-neutrino exactly

cool, can you go pick up Radvylf's mousepad? :p

cc @RadvylfPrograms

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Also, for b) you've mentioned it beore

hyper-neutrino

ik but i think that was before ginger's presence :P

@Ginger huh

Sʨɠɠan

@Ginger do Lyxal

hyper-neutrino

i mean technically speaking that would be physically possible but like

where is it, what do you want me to do with it, etc. cuz if it's not in a convenient place i don't want to go to some random place and end up not finding it lmao

Ginger

USER: Lyxal
SIM: then Jeff Atwood challenge would we next of how a graph, where's alreading anythink through!

DLosc

22:42

@hyper-neutrino Just barely before, as it turns out

caird coinheringaahing

Nov 2, 2021 at 17:18, by hyper-neutrino

@Mayube I live in Waterloo, lol. been here since I was like 3 years old :D

Ginger

@hyper-neutrino ~~little do you know, I've always been present~~

DLosc

@cairdcoinheringaahing I like how we both picked the more obvious statement instead of the most recent one

caird coinheringaahing

Oh wait, that was 2021

Sʨɠɠan

@Ginger erm

caird coinheringaahing

22:43

Where's my quote about time and drugs

hyper-neutrino

Feb 28, 2021 at 1:17, by caird coinheringaahing

idk the physics behind it, but time has been on some hardcore drugs for the past 18 months

caird coinheringaahing

I thought hyper said that a week ago :P

Ginger

ninja'd

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Given how much this has been quoted, I'm surprised it only has 4 stars :P

Been quoted 19 times, and that's not even counting the quotes of the quote :P

Radvylf Programs

@hyper-neutrino Wait you live in the exact city that the mousepad happens to be

looool what are the chances, I was 90% joking

hyper-neutrino

22:46

i suppose that is the case

Ginger

exactly

that's what I've been trying to tell you

I really hope that yall can make this work, if only because it'd be pretty cool

Radvylf Programs

Fwiw that's where it is

Wonder if I could just email them and ~~bribe~~ request them to send it to me directly

Ginger

why do that when you can arrange a Nick Robinson-style international package delivery

Radvylf Programs

We could do a dead drop, like spies

We agree on a point to meet at, a random park bench in a city halfway between the two of us

DLosc

Nov 1, 2021 at 22:36, by user

@DLosc You're stuck in a time loop, DLosc, wake up!

Radvylf Programs

22:51

HN walks by, drops the mousepad, and keeps walking. Two hours later I show up, pick it up, leave the money in a newspaper nearby, and leave. HN returns for the money.

Ginger

@DLosc you misunderstand, I quoted caird's message at the same type hyper did

@RadvylfPrograms that might be the first time two TNBers have actually interacted in person

DLosc

@Ginger I know, I just wanted to bring back an old joke

Radvylf Programs

@Ginger The whole point of a dead drop is that we don't interact :p

That way only one of us could be captured at the same time, limiting risk

Ginger

@DLosc ~~no necroposting please~~ half of this chatroom is necroposting so I can't say that

@RadvylfPrograms it'd be an indirect interaction I guess

if a decision tree falls in a random forest and nobody is around to evaluate it, does it influence the result?

6

DLosc

@RadvylfPrograms St. Louis, MO looks like a good option

hyper-neutrino

22:54

@RadvylfPrograms that's not all that far from the university so I could realistically pick it up between my two classes on a tuesday or thursday by bus

Radvylf Programs

I'm going to email them first and see if they could ship it to me, but if they can't, I guess maybe it would be possible to do that then?

Ginger

or you could get hyper to pick it up and remail it to you???

Radvylf Programs

I think I'm putting way too much effort into getting this mouse pad :p

Ginger

nah, this is TNB

hyper-neutrino

it better be a really fucking amazing mousepad xD

Ginger

22:56

we love doing lots of work for minimal results

Radvylf Programs

I have a different size of it now and really love it, but it no longer fits on my desk :(

DLosc

@Ginger True dat

emanresu A

@RadvylfPrograms Cut it up

Radvylf Programs

So I'm getting the small one, which apparently was really unpopular

Ginger

@emanresuA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

emanresu A

22:57

Or get a bigger desk

Radvylf Programs

@emanresuA That would ruin the aesthetics and destroy its anti-fray capabilities!

@emanresuA Not an option unfortauntely

emanresu A

Sew the edges otgether then

DLosc

Or nail a piece of plywood to the edge of the desk

caird coinheringaahing

Just glue the mouse to the mousepad

hyper-neutrino

i have an adjustable height desk on top of my real desk which is too small to fit two monitors so i legit have an old cabinet door on top of my adjustable desk so i can fit everything

Ginger

22:58

subvert the paradigm by rubbing your finger against the optical sensor

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing I wonder if you could actually do this if the mouse used an accelerometer

Ginger

I do not like that idea

emanresu A

lol

hyper-neutrino

well the mousepad would need to have an appropriate amount of friction with the desk

Ginger

like, it'd probably work with modern accelerometers, but it just feels wrong

DLosc

23:01

@cairdcoinheringaahing Instructions unclear

caird coinheringaahing

I just measured my desk and it's 40cm by 125cm. Not sure if I could really bother/fit with a monitor/mouse

user

Another option would be to use a camera and an AI that sees how your arm is moving, and the mouse would just be a dead piece of plastic

Ginger

I actually keep intending to try to do something like that with my Kinect

so I could use a wall as, like, a big drawing tablet

which would be cool

DLosc

I wonder if you could use a theremin as a mouse-type input device

caird coinheringaahing

You absolutely could :P

user

23:05

It'd be even harder to use than a digital keyboard, though

Oh wait it's a mouse nvm

Radvylf Programs

I may have gone overboard lol

Sʨɠɠan

help im trapped in a history factory

Ginger

@RadvylfPrograms lmk if the Canadian mousepad people respond to you

changing the subject, have we reached consensus on the AoC name issue? the community seems to be in overwhelming favor of renaming it "Code Golf Advent Calendar", which I honestly didn't expect to be so popular

Sʨɠɠan

me neither tbh

Ginger

23:23

well, you said that Wastl approves of the name change

and the mod team says "sure go ahead and do the rename"

sooooooo

Bubbler

23:48

yeah +30/-3 is a pretty strong consensus

@Ginger I guess you can accept the answer (because you asked the question), and then I'll change the title of the event

Ginger

cool, let's do it!

@Bubbler answer accepted

Bubbler

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Q: Announcing Code Golf Advent Calendar 2022! (+ Event challenge sandbox)

Following last year's event, we're doing Advent of Code Golf Code Golf Advent Calendar 20221! On each day between Dec 1st and Dec 25th (inclusive), a new challenge will be posted at UTC midnight2. It is a free-for-all and just-have-fun-by-participation event, no leaderboards and no prizes for sol...

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