The Nineteenth Byte

lyxal

00:01

@emanresuA where crossword

emanresu A

Nowhere yet, would you like it

lyxal

Here is good

Neil

@DLosc I had a book of cross-numbers once. It would have clues like "1a square root of 1d" "1d half of 2d"

emanresu A

Vyxal Crossword

south

00:24

first timer here, is there a specific meta related to a single user posting an answer in more than one language?

emanresu A

Nope

caird coinheringaahing

@south Go ahead and post multiple answers in different languages if you'd like

south

alright thank ya

caird coinheringaahing

The general consensus however is that if there's no "significant" difference between an answer in language X and language Y, then there's no real point in posting both. But, it's up to you as to whether that applies or not

DLosc

@emanresuA Why not post it on Puzzling ~~so one of us can get some free rep for solving it~~ ?

lyxal

00:33

@south if there was, I wouldn't have over 10 answers to FizzBuzz :p

south

@cairdcoinheringaahing sounds good

was just making sure, ive got a simple octave solution to this which is in fact fairly different from my J post :s

lyxal

@emanresuA what dlosc said but ~~also so we can continue our eventual infestation of every SE site~~

Seggan

00:49

@south hey, ure the Fig guy!

feel free to join us me in the Fig room

caird coinheringaahing

CMC: Given a triple [a, b, c], output [1, a, b]

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing vyxal, 4 bytes: Try it Online!

caird coinheringaahing

I'm surprised Jelly beats it at 3 bytes tbh

lyxal

Well the 4 bytes is the obvious approach

Steffan

@lyxal Ṫ1p

lyxal

00:58

There we go

Steffan

To me the 3-byter is much more obvious lol

lyxal

The 4 bytes is input[-1] = 1 and then rotate right

Steffan

It would take me a while to even think of that

caird coinheringaahing

Jelly's 3 byter is pop-append 1

Steffan

Ṫ1p is the same

curtail, prepend one

OldSandboxPosts

01:00

Sandbox posts last active a week ago: Enumerate the rationals

lyxal

I'm just built differently :p

caird coinheringaahing

I've probably mentioned this before, but I've just (re-)realised there was a 4 year gap between me getting Inquisitive on meta and literally anyone else getting it

Unrelated String

caird coinheringaahing

Shit, how did they know I'm built???

Tuxysta

Holy crud, moderator election's a real hard choice.

caird coinheringaahing

01:06

I mean, normal human things, hello fellow people, how goes sports?

south

@Seggan haha nice, didn't know there was one. i should start coming around to these rooms more often

Tuxysta

Sports goes badly, for I m overweight!

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing you left your gradle files in the open :p

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caird coinheringaahing

@Tuxysta I'm entirely unbiased, but that caird person looks super cool. After all, they have a dog profile picture with a Santa hat :P

emanresu A

@cairdcoinheringaahing Greetings, fellow humans typing with normal human hands

caird coinheringaahing

01:08

@emanresuA Hel7lo

lyxal

@Tuxysta I made a little program to help you decide who to vote for: Try it Online! :p

south

@cairdcoinheringaahing what about a dog with a witch hat to honor this wonderful month

Tuxysta

@lyxal Seems a tiny bit biased, dunnit?

caird coinheringaahing

If anyone wants to add a witch hat to Patch, I'll use that as my profile pic :P

lyxal

@Tuxysta must be a problem with python's random choice then. "℅ puts the two names into a list and chooses a random item

That last line totally does exactly what it says

There's absolutely no way it's doing something else like pushing a dictionary string

Tuxysta

01:13

Does it now? Who's the owner of the server? Also, I don't know vyxal, so I can't verify that. :P

caird coinheringaahing

@cairdcoinheringaahing The unedited image

Tuxysta

Ah, makes sense. Good wishes to y'alls campaigns! I think I'll keep my vote a secret.

@cairdcoinheringaahing cute cute cuteness overflow.

emanresu A

@lyxal Lol

lyxal

@Tuxysta (the joke is that ₴ṁ is a compressed string for lyxal - the "℅ really does choose at random)

caird coinheringaahing

Actually hang on, Pepper is the more halloween-y (almost all black), she's better suited to a witch hat :P

Steffan

01:14

vyxal can't even access /dev/null without eval as python.

Tuxysta

Ah, makes sense.

south

damn, that is a such a cute dog

caird coinheringaahing

I have another one :P

lyxal

@Steffan I know :p that was the best explanation I could come up with for having ṁ :p

Seggan

@cairdcoinheringaahing Fig, 2.469 bytes: J1q Try it online

beats 3 byters mwahahaha

Steffan

01:16

why would we have a builtin to move to /dev/null lmao

south

vyxal be damned

lyxal

@Steffan We have a built in for amogus, why the hell not?

caird coinheringaahing

@Steffan Given the shit lyxal puts in, I wouldn't be surprised

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing hey it's not just me anymore - it's a community effort :p

caird coinheringaahing

CMC: Put a spooky witch hat on my puppy Pepper. Best edit will get an upvote on any post you choose, plus I'll use it as my profile picture until Christmas

Radvylf Programs

01:29

caird coinheringaahing

Adorable :P

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing when's the submission deadline?

caird coinheringaahing

I'll be going to bed shortly, and I'm busy tomorrow, so let's say 24hrs from when first posted

Seggan

argh image not uploading

south

gimp is taking too much memory its pissing me off

Seggan

01:38

lol another gimp user

imgur.com/a/7SZB8LA

south

image manip is not my forte lol

i think this would go well with the doggy if anyone wants to steal it :s

Seggan

@cairdcoinheringaahing note that this is some random hat from google, may or may not have copyright :P

@south you can see the inside, not good

Radvylf Programs

Just use the mirror tool and pick the z-axis

Seggan

how does that work

emanresu A

Radvylf Programs

01:47

@Seggan It doesn't, I'm joking

lyxal

Can't believe y'all are manually editing it

Radvylf Programs

I remember reading a thing from a graphic designer who had to keep constantly explaining that he couldn't rotate the angle of people in pictures

lyxal

Seggan

@lyxal how are you determining the top of the puppy's head

eh, mine is obv best

too bad upload wont work....

lyxal

@Seggan erase a triangle above the dog and get ai to fill in hat + erased floor

DALLE-2 ftw

emanresu A

01:49

wtf is that hat

lyxal

emanresu A

@emanresuA I did this entirely with clone stamp lol

Seggan

@lyxal is that... motor oil?

lyxal

Tf you mean motor oil

Seggan

lyxal

01:53

I made another one

Seggan

ahh there ya go

Unrelated String

02:12

@Seggan lmao

Radvylf Programs

It looks like an upside down frosting piping bag lined with newspaper and filled with squid ink

New Posts

02:35

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Q: Zottffssentettffssen

Print or return the following string: zottffssentettffssenttttttttttttttttttttffffffffffffffffffffsssssssssssssssssssseeeeeeeeeennnnnnnnnno This is the first letter of each of the numbers zero, one, two, all the way up to one hundred. Standard I/O rules apply, but the output must be exactly as s...

south

@Seggan i was thinking of erasing that part, it looked sorta fine if you do that

lyxal

03:42

→ 1 pineapple flavoured can of soda moved to The Nineteenth Bakery

Number Basher

04:10

Is it lyal today?

@PyGamer0 BTW that's not mine lol

lyxal

@NumberBasher no

it's LDW today

Number Basher

OOOOHHHHhHHHHH

lyxal

LYAL was last week - we had a whole meta post on it remember? :p

Number Basher

Hmmmmmmmmm, ~~I wonder who posted it~~

Guess I'll develop my golflang

if i have time

anyways

yesterday i was trying to do graphics

but i just can't get it to work

so i stamped a few million turtles...

my golflang is called FENstack, but bye for about 7 hours

mousetail

06:11

@Neil Would add 16^x instead of 10

@NumberBasher Are you pedanticHacker?

Bubbler

06:57

@mousetail the more fundamental problem would be that e is a valid hex digit, so the e notation is ambiguous

mousetail

True

I guess use G instead then, but it's not really necessary in the first place. I mainly want hex floats so I can do math without loss of precision

Feeds

0

Q: Make each languages official tops page look more like the LYAL and LOTM templates?

The LYAL posts have a lot of good resources about most languages posted, this provides a very solid starting point for those wanting to learn to golf in some language. However, not every language can be nominated and I think it would be useful to have this information available for more languages...

discussion tips

pxeger

@Neil Done

PyGamer0

07:39

@NumberBasher i know :P

Fatalize

@DLosc we old

DialFrost

07:57

1.5 days to slack day!

mousetail

@DialFrost If you are anything like me you'll be very passionate about golfing while you don't have time but lose interest immediately when you actually have time to do it

DialFrost

@mousetail Hehe lmaooo

Techncially my exams ends in 7 days including today, but after my paper on friday the rest you hardly need to study

Fatalize

08:15

"you hardly need to study" famous last words

Neil

09:00

@pxeger thanks

PyGamer0

09:43

@Fatalize well i got 100% last time in computer exam when i didn't study at all :p

this time i will get 97% without studying :}

DialFrost

10:18

@PyGamer0 CS is way too easy

unfortunately I didn't take it and took triple science instead :(((((((((

@Fatalize hehe

mathcat

11:17

For a second I thought somebody said "CSS is way too easy"

graffe

hello!

mousetail

CSS is easy fight me

mathcat

no errors at all

mousetail

There are syntax errors

graffe

for j in 1...n-3 for k in j+2...n-1.. Sorry to be stupid but how many steps in this double loop as a function of n?

mousetail

11:21

exact or asymptotic?

mathcat

@mousetail 4 I just have a hard time getting along with css

graffe

exact

It is just confusing me

mousetail

Is .. inclusive or exclusive in whatever language that is?

graffe

inclusive, sorry I should have said

as it does look a little like python

mousetail

in rust .. is exclusive too

what language is this?

graffe

11:24

it's me trying to write math to make the question clearer

and not succeeding well

mousetail

So the first step runs from 3 to n-1, then 4 to n-1 etc. Lowest value of n is 4. So F(4)=1, then it's just triangle numbers.

I propose (n-3)*(n-4)/2 maybe

graffe

that looks right!

thank so you much

still the best chat room in the world

mousetail

11:43

Is there a compact way to turn a list into a dict in python, like ['bob'] to {0:'bob'}

DialFrost

@graffe and the most fun! :3

emanresu A

Idk if thtis works but {key: value for key,value in enumerate(lst)}

mousetail

That would work but it's very long

just using dict(enumerate(lst)) is shorter but still long

DialFrost

{enumerate(list)}?

emanresu A

Nope

That's a set

DialFrost

11:47

Oh

mathcat

@mousetail I don't think it can get shorter than that

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing I know you asked for spooky witch hats, but I can do one better

thanks imgur and dalle for cropping the picture so well

not.

There we go

Welcome to the Ninth Language Design Workshop! The general premise is that you can post work you've done or are doing on esolangs and people will give feedback. In short, you'll get to show off our languages and their features, chat about them, get feedback, try out WIP languages, and, hopefully get ideas over the next 24 hours.

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DialFrost

12:02

NLDW? Is that new?

and what's WIP languages? :3

Number Basher

@mousetail no; why?

lyxal

@DialFrost it's LDW, and the 9th time we've had one

@DialFrost any languages people are working on (work in progress)

DialFrost

ah, never heard of it before :(

im out of date

Number Basher

WIP language, my sort-of-done SunSip https://github.com/TvoozMagnificent/SunSip and my sort of never begun FENstack https://github.com/TvoozMagnificent/FENstack

mousetail

@NumberBasher A guy in some other chat who was asking about a lot of functions with FEN in the name

Number Basher

12:11

@mousetail no... where?

mousetail

Discord

Number Basher

whatever

Ginger

hi

mousetail

@NumberBasher Missed oppertunity for rick roll

Number Basher

FEN-stack is based on the FEN based encoding as in chess AND STACKS DUH

@mousetail i.was.being.lazy.com

mousetail

12:17

Oh the other guy was also a fan of chess, makes sense then you named your thing the same

Number Basher

HMMMmMmmmMmmMMmMMMMmMMMMMMM

This seems yummy: [activities.graspablemath.com/whiteboards/new]

https://activities.graspablemath.com/whiteboards/new

Seggan

12:43

@lyxal what prompts do you use for ur aicmcs?

just signed up for openai myself

lyxal

one second

I'll make a gist for you

Number Basher

me too

Seggan

i just stuck "Write a short coding challenge" and it gave me

Given an array of integers, return the sum of the integers.

Example:

Input: [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Output: 15

Number Basher

ah, python 3: sum

py3programmer

lambda n:sum(n)

Ginger

12:44

I mean, at least it did the math correctly

Number Basher

or if you just need a name, i=sum

Seggan

:P

@NumberBasher sum is already a name

Number Basher

Anagrams in math LOL

activities.graspablemath.com/whiteboards/_25e13676c711fb5f

@Seggan whatever idc

Ginger

you should c because if you dc then you violate rules which we c

lyxal

@Seggan gist.github.com/Lyxal/68078c6b45723cb2a84719266c8cd556

Seggan

12:45

Write a program that outputs the first 100 prime numbers.

lyxal

make sure you use the codex models

(code-davinci is what I have mine preset as)

py3programmer

@Seggan well...

Ginger

@lyxal do you need credits to use codex?

lyxal

no

Codex is free

Ginger

does it have an API

lyxal

12:47

I think so

I mean, of course it would

Ginger

spicy

Seggan

is codex this thing

lyxal

no

that's normal GPT-3

that costs credits

Ginger

uh oh

Seggan

oof

lyxal

12:48

you want code-davinci, not text-davinci

not only does the code version not use credits, it's better suited for code

Seggan

mhm so for codex i need to join the waitlist apparently

lyxal

ah yeah, that's right

forgot about that

Ginger

oh nO

lyxal

I would say hopefully it shouldn't take too long, but it did for me

Seggan

how long did it take

@lyxal so which bits are the prompts?

Number Basher

12:50

~~like, a mere decade?~~

lyxal

@Seggan let me check chat transcript

@Seggan no no you don't understand

that is the prompt

the entire thing

Seggan

aaaaah

so based off of that it generates more

lyxal

@Seggan actually wait it didn't take long

I got mixed up with how long it took to get copilot

codex was pretty instant, copilot was the thing that took months

Seggan

yeah copilot took me 7 months

lyxal

Oct 27, 2021 at 2:18, by lyxal

Heh, looks like I just got access to github copilot. Like nevermind the fact I've had access to codex for a few months now and that I applied for the preview before I applied for codex

Seggan

12:53

ooof

oh wow those prompts work well enough in gpt3

lyxal

@Seggan looks like it took a month

I applied for it basically after it was announced in August last year and got access in September

@Seggan you can now get it to extend TNB conversations too :p

because that's basically the only use for it :p

Seggan

AICMC: Given a list of numbers, return all the even numbers in the list.

lyxal

oh, and don't go changing the Best Of slider

leave it at 1

otherwise you burn through your credits quicker

Seggan

k

lyxal

Aaron made the mistake of setting it to 20 once

Ginger

12:57

what happened

lyxal

it just means it chooses the best competition from multiple parallel runs of GPT-3 on the same prompt

Ginger

oh

lyxal

Number Basher

Hmmmmmmmm

hhh

Seggan

**Seggan - ooof
Seggan - oh wow those prompts work well enough in gpt3

lyxal - @Seggan looks like it took a month
lyxal - I applied for it basically after it was announced in August last year and got access in September**
lyxal - and I think it's been in beta since then

Seggan - @lyxal wow that's a long time!
lyxal - @Seggan yeah, I think they wanted to make sure it was good and stable before letting more people in
Seggan - @lyxal that makes sense. I'm just glad I was able to get in and try it out!

Ginger

12:58

huh

lyxal

> I'm just glad I was able to get in and try it out!

hmmm

Seggan

2 mins ago, by lyxal

@Seggan you can now get it to extend TNB conversations too :p

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mousetail

Wow 2 posts at once

Ginger

@lyxal relevant xkcd

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