The Nineteenth Byte - 2022-10-04 (page 2 of 2)

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2:02 PM

tbh it actually looks fine either way dw about it

@RadvylfPrograms what system does the new posts bot use to detect new posts?

the paren version is probably better for like, the clicky reasons

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@Ginger Front page websocket

I'm really not vibing with that gray tho

It just doesn't look clicky enough

Especially next to non-clicky text

figured, but I'm watching the traffic coming through and I don't understand HOW it tells that something is in fact a new post and not, say, an edit

the socket only seems to notify that "something changed!", not what it is

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@Ginger It doesn't, I use the HTML it provides

2:04 PM

oh

I can do that!

thanks

@RadvylfPrograms give it a speech bubble that says "click me!"

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lol

or make it a button instead of plaintext :P

like clippy: "It seems you wanted to write a function to create n parity bits for an input bitstring"

Pick whether to use sbcs, utf8 or hex at random with each input

That way you don't need a clicky

2:08 PM

wide brain

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I think I'm going to go with a full dropdown thing. Like, with an internal cell membrane. Endosymbiosis ftw.

what

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Problem is, it's way taller than the byte count or even the bold title of the box

@DialFrost I had already looked at your profile before you asked

@Fatalize Aw crap

Honestly I don't look at people' country section I just quickly scroll down lmao

2:20 PM

TIL that CGSE has site ID 200

caird coinheringaahing

We aren't the 200th SE site however

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CMC: Given two numbers, determine if they are consecutive fibonacci numbers (you can assume the first is not greater than the second)

@RadvylfPrograms trying to figure out the Magic Text to send to the socket to get it to start telling me stuff

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@Ginger Did you look at this:

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Q: How do the Stack Exchange WebSockets work? What are all the options you can send to them?

The Stack Exchange WebSockets are handy for various things (like handling spam). For example, try running this JavaScript in your browser's console: var w = new WebSocket("ws://qa.sockets.stackexchange.com/"); w.onmessage = function(e) { data = JSON.parse(e.data) data.data = JSON.parse(...

support web-sockets

@RadvylfPrograms Assuming 1,1 initialization?

2:27 PM

I am: dumbass

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@Fatalize Yeah, or 0,1

3:02 PM

@RadvylfPrograms so we can snoop in each others inboxes?

cool

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No, it only shows the number of notifications

The notifications and achievements themselves are behind an authenticated POST request since things like mod messages are private

<userid>-inbox: User inbox/achievements

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Yeah, it's only the number

But you could use it to spy on when someone is active

Might be worth pointing that out given that they removed "last active" for privacy reasons

how?

only way i can think of is badges (kinda)

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@Seggan Because when they check their inbox the count goes back down to 0

3:14 PM

ah yes

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So just upvote one of their posts every 11 hours, with a couple of socks, and after a few weeks you'll have a pretty good idea of when they're online

3:28 PM

in R what does a$b do?

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Q: Websockets can be used to spy on users' activity

Stack Exchange's removal of "last seen" has demonstrated that the time that users are active is considered private information. However, there are still a variety of ways to circumvent that, and I've found what I believe is a new one. SE's websockets have a <userid>-topbar endpoint. This is used ...

bug profile-page top-bar privacy web-sockets

3:52 PM

What do you call a number which is an element of the permutations of an other number?

eg. 1234 and 1324?

CMM: repost 6174 with looser I/O?

4:09 PM

define looser IO

it's IO for loosers

@mathcat without the 8532 - 2358 = 6174 bit

4:29 PM

@Ginger how many challenges do we have with no input or output

shortest infloop w no output is the only one i know of

oh sorry for the reply there i thought you said something else lol

oh i guess also the language design questions?

@DialFrost I suppose it's true that "loads" is usually used for objects, but I don't think there's anything wrong with saying "loads of people." It sounds informal and maybe a bit British.

@Fatalize Same :D

@DLosc apparently it's new profile season

caird coinheringaahing

4:54 PM

@DLosc Excuse me, we say "an absolutely fizzwizzingly bonkers number of people", get it right smh :P

I thought yall just said "lots."

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5:21 PM

@Ginger sorry for being so late, ‘twas some code that would turn your IDLE unusable by truncating your run code

h

5:33 PM

CMQ: what's a task/operation that you've never had to do in normal programming, but that you feel comes up more often in challenges?

make the code as short as possible

... ok fair i walked into that

is the actual intent of my question clear? i can rephrase if not

you make this too easy

and yes it is I was just doing a microscopic quantity of trolling :b

very good work

@thejonymyster reductions, flattening and sorting numbers come to mind

5:35 PM

??? I use sorting all the time in python

oops i meant sorting numbers

also number -> digits

and the other way around

yes finally my Rol parser is beginning to take shape

Statements(BinaryExpression(1.0 + 1.0))

Update: Her Majesty is now posting any activity on CGCC to the Sandbox

working on getting it to just be new posts

6:02 PM

@all if anyone has a sandboxed question to post now would be an opportune time to do it

actually, I'm just gonna reprogram it to check SO for questions :p

done

...

mf I JUST stopped the bot

eh ill repost it :P

can you like delete it and try again

ok ready

done

6:08 PM

frick

I got nothing

oof

...did you actually ask it????

I don't see it

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Hello TNB! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I need more chars

oh lol, I meant like post on main

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Did you get the question someone just posted?

6:10 PM

@Ginger ah nvm then

no, I stopped the bot literally 30s before it was posted

>:(

also: SE just fukin renamed bookmarks

yeah i noticed

i dont like it

is not gud

who care

at lease we can ~~save~~ bookmark answers now

6:12 PM

wait they UNBOOKMARKED all my posts

ok thats an actual problem

I think????

am I having a moment

also the "how many people bookmarked your post????" thing is gone now

and with that it looks like they removed badges relating to bookmarks

@Ginger noo

@Ginger Yep!

i havent changed my profile on any site in 4 years :P

6:16 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing Ah, my bad. I'll file this phrase away for future use. ;)

STACK EXCHANGE DEVS: STOP CHANGING THE GOD DAMN UI. IT IS GOOD THE WAY IT IS AND YOUR CHANGES ALWAYS SEEM TO PISS OFF MORE PEOPLE THAN THEY PLEASE. JUST LEAVE IT BE.

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@thejonymyster Two that immediately come to mind: check that a number is prime; check that a string is a palindrome.

@Seggan +1, you should post to main

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Q: Brick a computer

Create a virtual machine. Cause the virtual machine to enter an unbootable state, also known as 'bricked'. Do so using the least possible characters in the language of your choice.

@Ginger Unpopular opinion: I think the new features actually look really cool :P

@NewPosts Does this also fall afoul of the "no malicious code" rule?

6:26 PM

it's just bad lol

@DLosc you mean you dont use godel numbering and palindromic logic validation in your daily programming escapades

@thejonymyster Nah. I do use a lot of comparison operators and if statements. :P

which you never use in code golf :P

Comparisons, yes. If statements, preferably not.

@Ginger ~~windowsphone~~

6:41 PM

fair enough lol

lets gooooooo 1 year anniversary of me on CGCC

exactly 53 secs ago

@Seggan how d'you know that?

yearling badge

you didn't write down the exact millisecond you joined?

sadly, no

6:51 PM

weird

also CMM: is inverted logic output fine? ive seen it used but never saw a consensus

@Seggan wait what?

you did?

who doesn't?

@emanresuA do you think they'd notice? I need to test this

7:08 PM

@Seggan Yes

CMQ: Good file manegers?

@Seggan gg :-)

@mathcat windows explorer

+ powertoys = mwa

@Ginger watch it become HNQ

@thejonymyster ty

lmao

given windows phone, you have a 80% chance of that happening :P

ooh nice got the yearling badge on meta too

7:25 PM

@Ginger Did you read the post? 1) They kept the old badges 2) they're adding new badges 3) the bookmarks will be migrated to saves, it just might take a while 4) now you can bookmark answers 5) You can add notes to bookmarks 6) bookmarks are private

don't see any reason why this is bad other than the name

@RadvylfPrograms @emanresuA @lyxal @pxeger I am ready to deploy GingerBot as a replacement for NP, currently working on NSP

lmk if or when you're ready

Radvylf Programs

I guess we could use it as a temporary replacement, but I'm a bit worried about putting something basically untested in here. NP/SP took weeks to get properly hardened against weird stuff happening, and if GingerBot were to go down, since it'd replace the feeds, we'd be back to square one until you're around to fix it.

I'd recommend just leaving it running in a sandbox room for a week or so, and if things look fine, we can move it in here

^

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Plus that gives me more time to stall so I don't need to go back to rewriting NP/SP :p

@Ginger I kinda approve of this

It's a bit of a redundant and useless metric

7:50 PM

^^^^

@Ginger I had one British professor in college who used "lots" almost as a generic measure word. IIRC he would pronounce 3x + 4y as "three lots of x plus four lots of y."

@DLosc ive heard that phrasing plenty from various folks

google has it, lot noun 1 informal

I think I'd heard it before in the context of concrete objects (something like "four lots of printer ink"), but I've never heard anyone else use it in the context of algebra.

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Huh, I think of a "lot" of something as like, a large but specific amount of it. Not in the sense of "a lot", which is a separate and more vague word, but like, "seven lots of planks", where a "lot" would be some specific number

^^

@RadvylfPrograms weird, i would expect a number before "planks" in that sentence

seven lots of (n) planks

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Oh true that would sound more natural to me

But if you'd previously established a "lot of planks" was 20 in some context, I guess you wouldn't always say "a lot of 20 planks"

"lot" is a confusion word, more so when you consider a "lot of planks" could also mean a physical lot which is filled with planks

8:04 PM

@thejonymyster Seems to be Wiktionary sense 2, which lists synonyms "batch, collection, group, set"

to which I would add perhaps "bunch"

@RadvylfPrograms yeah i was also about to say that but decided not to for reasons beyond my comprehension

point being: agree

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@RadvylfPrograms *ing

no i like the term "confusion word"

^

Sounds good in German, too: Missverständniswort

zameshatel'noe slovo in russain

looks great

8:11 PM

now what is "lot" in both of those languages

which meaning of lot?

@thejonymyster Which definition? :P

sniped :P

It's a pertinent question :P

for definition 1: mnogo. definition 2 is grupa. both definitions from wikitionary

8:14 PM

Wiktionary lists no fewer than five German words as possible translations for "separate portion; number of things taken collectively." My German's not good enough to guess which one(s) would be the most idiomatic.

@thejonymyster an alternate def 2 is sobranie

which is a group of people, but can be extended to objects

also means church in some contexts

@Seggan Ah, nice--as in "congregation," I assume

depends on context

it can be either a church service, the building itself, but ive never heard it used to mean a congregation

Hm, okay

The word usually translated "church" in the Greek New Testament is ἐκκλησία, which means something like "assembly." I think it (always?) refers to the church people/community, since they didn't exactly have church buildings back then.

@RadvylfPrograms will do d:

8:23 PM

@DLosc the word for the congregation is tserkov', which can also mean the building itself

why are your languages so weird looks at english

IMO russian is more logical than english

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Yeah I can't imagine a language which uses one word to mean different things in a way which causes confusion

spellings actually correspond to pronunciations in russain :P

Everything's more logical than english, except maybe Malbolge

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8:24 PM

@RadvylfPrograms never mind the fact that ure using it

Radvylf Programs

That's the joke :p

imagine trying to write a parser for english :D

itd mostly be special cases :P

though i imagine the way youd do it is to make general word categories / parts of speech and place words in it, and their arities / other usage data

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In English, there are no special cases, because exceptions are the rule.

^^ *not data, syntax rules etc. have a bunch of defaults but also a scripting language for special cases xd

^^ lolol

8:26 PM

yep

101% true

@RadvylfPrograms Eh, it's fun to rag on English, but I don't think that's actually true. E.g. the vast majority of plural nouns have an s on the end of them.

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Yeah yeah, I know :p

CMC: Find a single rule which is consistently applied across all of English. "Largest" (applies to the most things) rule wins.

VTC as unclear: what counts as a "rule"?

VTC as impossible

@RadvylfPrograms (Also Imma FGITW this with "a word contains at least one vowel sound," which applies to like all but two words in English)

8:30 PM

@RadvylfPrograms all words must contain a syllable

in russian there are actually 0-syllable words

i.e. к or с or в

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@DLosc Not consistently applied across all of english though

hmm and shh

@Seggan I don't think ^ count as syllables

> which applies to like all but two words in English

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> across all of english

> "Largest" (applies to the most things) rule wins.

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That's not all :p

@Seggan As in, makes sense to apply to

8:32 PM

then how does ^^^ make sense

VTC as ambiguous

Radvylf Programs

Like, "all words that are 'quail' have five letters" only applies to one word

@RadvylfPrograms Okay, so I assumed you meant "highest percentage of applicability wins"

Radvylf Programs

Yeah, my fault

All words have letters.

checkmate

But you meant "must apply to 100% of the items in a set," and largest set wins?

8:33 PM

@emanresuA ah, a fellow member of Tautology Club

@RadvylfPrograms howmanysyllables.com/syllables/hmm

@emanresuA uno reverse card. only written english has letters

All words exist.

@emanresuA Not according to Oxford University Press 😂

whaaaaaa-

@emanresuA not a literary rule

all existence exists

8:36 PM

speaking of tautologies, just found this great line in the wiki page on Arch Linux:

> Pacman, a package manager written specifically for Arch Linux, is used to install, remove and update software packages.

oh really I thought it was for cleaning the sink

i thought it managed the zillion boxes in my garage

@emanresuA Hmm, now this is an interesting statement to parse.

At first, I thought it was analogous to something like "All animals exist." But unicorns are animals, and unicorns don't exist [citation needed]. So maybe it's possible to have words that don't exist. But as soon as I tried to come up with an example, I ran into difficulty: for known made-up words like "chupaqueso," it's hard to argue that they don't exist, because they've been used by somebody; but for random strings of sounds like "soijuloc," my gut reaction is "That's not a word." Hmm.

but "soijuloc" was just used by you

rapper names be like

@Seggan Not as a word, though. I called it a random string of sounds, and I didn't define it or use it in a sentence.

8:45 PM

user image

there he is

Soijuloc

AI image generation be like

user image

@DLosc but you just used it

his hands aren't actually attached to anything and one of them appears to be made partially out of a headphone cup

question: why tf do people pay hundreds of dollars for TLS certs when letsencrypt.org will give them to you for free???

9:18 PM

The Puzzling.SE Monthly Topic Challenge for October is Cross-non-words: "a crossword wherein some (or all) squares are filled not with typical English alphabet characters, but with something else altogether." Sounds like a perfect opportunity to make a crossword where the answers are programs in some golfing language.

YES

9:46 PM

._.

10:02 PM

Made a vyxal crossword, debating where to post it

caird coinheringaahing

Here?

@emanresuA for ^^^^^?

10:25 PM

@DLosc ooooh that’s sounds like a good idea, too bad idk any golfing langs lol

1 hour later…

11:53 PM

@mousetail how would that work with the e of the exponent?

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