The Nineteenth Byte

lyxal

00:07

@Seggan you nerd this can be one byte: T

thejonymyster

36 mins ago, by Seggan

@DLosc Fig, 0.823 bytes: T (Try it Online)

lyxal

Different languages

26 mins ago, by Seggan

@DLosc Vyxal, 3 bytes: ⁽ḃḟ Try it Online!

Try it Online!

thejonymyster

whoopsie daisy

lyxal

And besides, one byte in Fig doesn't make sense :p

thejonymyster

~~lets be real its basically just one byte~~

Bubbler

00:13

How to get a cheap win: remove the least used byte from size 256 codepage, and multiply the score by log 255 / log 256

lyxal

May 10 at 6:23, by emanresu A

And as I've said many times before, Jelly with a 255-char codepage would beat Jelly 99.9% of the time

@Bubbler ninja'd by several months

thejonymyster

at this point we should just go back to counting chars :P

lyxal

@thejonymyster you fool, the byte count is real - it's just irrational too :p

Seggan

@lyxal hmm search didnt show it

anyhow Fig is still shorter

mwahahaha

lyxal

@Seggan what were you searching then?

Because it comes up when you search for truthy indices

Seggan

00:24

i searched truthy

nvm searching it now gives me a lot more

i mustve misspelled

caird coinheringaahing

00:45

51

Q: Bookmarks Are Evolving Into Saves

TL;DR: We're always working to make knowledge more accessible and easier to reuse, so we're excited to announce that we're making some feature updates to facilitate that. Later this quarter, Bookmarks are being renamed to Saves, as well as getting a suite of upgrades to make the feature more usef...

Welcome to SE the Social Media site

Also, it's fun when Staff ask Staff questions:

It's not clear why the rename is necessary. Bookmarks are already things that users have saved for future revisiting. That's why we renamed the feature from the original Favorites to Bookmarks, because Favorites didn't make sense for how it was used in practices. But it's not clear how we went from confirming that feedback in the survey to wanting to rename the feature to something more generic and confusing. Why is Saves better than Bookmarks here? — animuson ♦ yesterday

Unrelated String

the rename is utterly inscrutable

lyxal

5

A: Bookmarks Are Evolving Into Saves

In terms of why the switch was made from bookmarks to saves — It was done in part because "save" is a bit more explicit than "bookmark" in terms of what the feature does. Bookmark is a great term for ebooks and browsers. When it comes to content consumption we wanted to make a clear distinction f...

@ColleenV that's the point, with Saves now, you can save multiple things from the same page (as answers can be saved too), it's not about bookmarking links, it's about saving content of interest into lists. — SCoSO 11 hours ago

caird coinheringaahing

Saved? Sure. Saves? Ehhhh

thejonymyster

i think we may be nitpicking a bit :P

Unrelated String

i would assume that "saves" would have a similarly flat, low-feature organization to current bookmarks
and "bookmarks" would be fine-grained and structured

caird coinheringaahing

00:50

@thejonymyster Have you ever been to MSE? :P

thejonymyster

@UnrelatedString i would never assume anything that in depth about anything

caird coinheringaahing

I'd be fine with Saved, Saves just feels... wierd

lyxal

@thejonymyster neither

thejonymyster

neither?

lyxal

as in I wouldn't either

caird coinheringaahing

00:51

Alternatively, it should be "Those posts you thought were interesting a few months ago, but haven't looked at since"

4

thejonymyster

did you forget the "me"

Seggan

^^

Unrelated String

save files in a game exist in a flat list and are generally "dumb"; they just save all of the state and don't let you do much with it other than resume
bookmarks in a web browser can be placed in files and can contain arbitrary javascript

*folders

caird coinheringaahing

I dislike that mods can't see them tbh

thejonymyster

have you ever saved a file

caird coinheringaahing

00:52

What info can't mods see? The personal info you enter when you edit your profile?

thejonymyster

or do you only save games and bookmark webpages

lyxal

If there wasn't badges involved with saving posts, I think it'd be fine for mods not to see saved posts/notes - what are they gonna do? Say "sorry lyxal, your 834 private notes on that saved answer that all say 'this user is big and smelly' are in violation of site standards"? But if there's potential for fraud and stuff then that needs to be moderated

and even then, only the saved posts need to be moderated, not the notes

caird coinheringaahing

If someone saves a bunch of posts, then the system flags them as upvoting posts in a suspicious pattern, and it happens to be that they're upvoting the posts they saved months ago, all at once, I'd like to be able to investigate that if I were a mod

lyxal

That's why I said only the action of saving a post needs moderation

caird coinheringaahing

Obviously, that doesn't necessarily mean that it's voter fraud, but if someone upvotes and saves the same 40 posts, that's worth following up on

OldSandboxPosts

01:00

Sandbox posts last active a week ago: Compute the Fabius function

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal Yeah, the private notes are probably not worth being mod open, but I still cite the precedent of "nothing is hidden from mods"

Aside from up/downvotes, I'm pretty sure mods can see literally everything

lyxal

huh, not even staff will be able to see saves

@RandomPerson regarding your question re: whether staff can see saved posts for all users, the short answer is no, not from the new user interface. Only users who are logged into their own accounts can view their saved posts. — tanj92 yesterday

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, I extra don't like that

Bubbler

It just sounds more like evolving an ad-hoc bookmark into a better bookmark

not really a save

caird coinheringaahing

Again, only up/down votes are entirely secret, saved posts don't have the same importance of secrecy to keep them hidden from mods or staff

user

01:40

If they make the number of saves on a question not visible to other users (like following), then there's no problem with saves not being viewable by others (and the more privacy, the better)

Radvylf Programs

It seems like this feature is starting to conflict with following

Although in its previous state it conflicted more with upvotes

I honestly think stars/bookmarks/saves aren't really necessary at all

caird coinheringaahing

I like the ability to "save" a post, and the personal note idea is alright. My biggest complaints are "saves" and that they aren't viewable at all by staff/mods

user

01:56

My biggest complaint is that bookmarks in their current form and saves are viewable by other users

There's not much value in showing how many people've bookmarked a question. Upvotes exist for a reason

Wezl'

this

caird coinheringaahing

Bookmarks and follows are both public

user

Modifying "Follow" to opt out of notifications would be better

caird coinheringaahing

@Wezl' Your bio breaks the pronouns userscript :P

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing Pretty sure other users can't see what you're following

Wezl'

01:57

@cairdcoinheringaahing wait which part

user

currently enjoying ... codeberg

The userscript doesn't realise it ended there

Wezl'

because before I misspelled pronouns as pronounce and that doesn't count as breaking :P

user

You might want to put a period after "they/we/you"

caird coinheringaahing

It shows your pronouns as "they/we/you | currently enjoying: Pride and Prejudice | codeberg"; :P

Wezl'

well great I think that's important information people should know about me :P

I'll be sure to abuse this feature in the future

caird coinheringaahing

01:59

@user Right, I can see what you've bookmarked, but not what you've followed. So why do we need saves?

thejonymyster

saves is bookmarks

theyre just changing the name (and adding functionality)

Wezl'

@user I am opposed to periods

and capitalization

caird coinheringaahing

Saves is bookmarks plus private notes, minus publicity

Wezl'

but not capital letters

caird coinheringaahing

So follows plus private notes

@Wezl' With all due respect, please could you? Currently, each of your messages easily takes up 1/5th of my screen due to the extra space given to your "pronouns"

Wezl'

02:02

oh dear. I guess I'll shift things around or something

heheh I guess there's a whole different discussion behind the scare quotes there :P

caird coinheringaahing

In case it wasn't clear, I'm aware your pronouns are they/we/you. The userscript shows, and what I'm referring to in quotes, is "they/we/you | currently enjoying: Pride and Prejudice | codeberg"; :P

Wezl'

02:16

(to all) I'm sorry, I realize I just acted rudely and seemed to ignore others' concerns because I made some assumptions. I'll try to understand and consider what others have decided is important enough to mention, and be careful about dismissing things in the joking way I often fall into. I should go to bed anyway l:

thejonymyster

peace on earth and goodnight

caird coinheringaahing

@Wezl' I don't think anything was inappropriate or rude. I think your profile was a good-natured attempt at concisely conveying relevant information, but due to a commonly used userscript and its limitation, it ran into some issues, which I (hope I) raised in a respectful nature

I don't think there was any way you could've known about the space issue, and I do encourage you to include your pronouns in your bio, if you're comfortable doing so.

thejonymyster

how does it detect pronouns actually

does it look for stuff like/this or gfdsg

caird coinheringaahing

Regex matches I believe

thejonymyster

right but for what? is there like a list of pronouns XD

caird coinheringaahing

02:21

let allPronouns = [
  "him", "his",
  "she", "her?", // that covers 'he' as well
  "they", "them", "their",
  "ze", "hir", "zir",
  "xey", "xem", "xyr"
].join("|");
let pronounListRegex = new RegExp('\\W*((' + allPronouns + ')(\\s*/\\s*(' + allPronouns + '))+)\\W*', 'i');
let myPronounIsRegex = /(https?:\/\/)?(my\.)?pronoun\.is\/([\w/]+)/i;
let explicitPronounsRegex = /pronouns:\s*([^.\n)\]}<]*)(\.|\n|\)|]|}|<|$)/im;
let unlikelyCombinations = ["her/his", "her/him", "he/she"];

thejonymyster

omg

thats a bold variable name

caird coinheringaahing

allPronouns :P

Bubbler

"my pronoun is regex"

caird coinheringaahing

Then again, if you have anything that isn't recognised by the regex, you can use my.pronoun.is, which will match basically any pronounce

Wezl'

ofc them programmers have to shorten it to "her?" :P

caird coinheringaahing

02:23

@Wezl' Even Glorfindel can't escape the code golf :p

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing I like how the comment about her? covering he as well takes up more space than just adding "he" would have :P

Wezl'

personally I like it and 'e/'em/'er but the latter is more useful when speaking with lungs

thejonymyster

@cairdcoinheringaahing CMC: decision-problem decide if the input is one of he, him, his, she, her, they, them, their, ze, hir, zir, xey, xem, or xyr, followed by a slash, followed by a different one of those pronouns

caird coinheringaahing

02:49

Ugh I need to find out how to disable invites to OTTNB

lyxal

→ 104 mess/age/s moved to Off-Topic TNB

thejonymyster

thanks for keeping my silly cmc lol

py3programmer

How is xey a pronoun?

caird coinheringaahing

Because people, typically those outside the traditional gender binary, have opted to use it

forest

Anything can be a pronoun these days.

But I think that particular one is just a joke, like "grimble".

thejonymyster

02:52

xey is not a joke pronoun

forest

oh

caird coinheringaahing

No, I had a professor last year who used xe/xer/xey

forest

You sure you aren't thinking of xe?

oh wow

OK I'm gonna back out of this convo before I get myself in trouble.

caird coinheringaahing

xey is the third person form of xe

thejonymyster

i think most of those pronouns ive met people who use them

caird coinheringaahing

02:52

@forest No worries, it's easy to make mistakes

forest

:p

caird coinheringaahing

So long as you acknowledge them and accept that, that's fine :)

forest

I mean

I acknowledge that people who want to use those pronouns exist.

thejonymyster

thats good, itd be weird if you didnt

forest

But I'm not personally a fan of them.

(The pronouns that is, not the people)

thejonymyster

02:55

well thats ok, you can use any pronouns you like

and we will respect them #unity

@lyxal actually we should stop talking about this on principle of "this conversation just got moved"

caird coinheringaahing

@forest Yeah, I mean "acknowledge and accept that people use them, and so, you'll use those pronouns wehn referring to them"

thejonymyster

oh sorry i didnt mean to talk to lyxal i meant to use that as a pointing finger

forest

I don't care what pronouns people use for me, since my gender is irrelevant on this part of the internet.

thejonymyster

i forgot abt chat quotes lol

caird coinheringaahing

@thejonymyster I disagree with the idea that discussions on pronouns should necessarily be moved from TNB

thejonymyster

02:56

^^^ lol

caird coinheringaahing

@forest *looks at me listed he/she/they* I have no idea what you mean :P

forest

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'll use the pronouns when required, since that's part of the mod agreement, but I don't really do that in my personal life outside of this site.

thejonymyster

:eyeroll:

forest

But I don't like using pronouns that I'll never remember. It's hard enough remembering which of the two anyone uses, so I often just use "they".

caird coinheringaahing

@forest I don't know how to tell you that's not the intent of the mod agreement. It might be the letter, but it certainly isn't the spirit

forest

02:58

@cairdcoinheringaahing The intent and spirit is to prevent people from intentionally misgendering, which is fine.

If you ask me to call you xir and I refuse and call you he, that would be rude on my part.

caird coinheringaahing

Tbh, from what I understand from what you're saying, we agree more or less, so I'm not going to try to argue

forest

Yeah probably.

caird coinheringaahing

My main belief regarding pronouns is: use "they" if you don't know; use what they tell you if you do. Remembering someone's pronouns is no harder than remembering their name, and if you forget, act sheepish and ask them again. I'm sure they'd prefer it to being misgendered; I know I would

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing Wait, I thought you just used "they" for everyone

forest

Yup, that's what I try to do. I use "he" for indefinite hypothetical genders just because it's what I learned in school and it's a hard habit to break, and "they" when talking about a specific person if I don't know if they're male or female (which is most of the time, since I don't really care enough to try to find out).

caird coinheringaahing

03:03

@user I do, unless told otherwise

@forest Yeah, I get that; the habit behind using he by default is tough to break out of :/

user

@forest I've come across very few people who use neopronouns so it's pretty easy to remember and they're also nice because there's less potential for ambiguity

caird coinheringaahing

"I don't care what your pronouns are, but I'll remember if it matters" is the best approach IMO

forest

@user Also, there are very few situations in which you have to talk about someone.

thejonymyster

@forest i use he for hypothetical people because its golfy :P

forest

:p

user

03:06

~~I use it for hypothetical people because it's golfy and rude~~

lyxal

@thejonymyster i use ~~he for hypothetical~~ people because ~~its~~ golf y :P

ftfy

caird coinheringaahing

Yes thank you imgur

thejonymyster

i ~~use he for hypothetical people because its golfy :~~ P

py3programmer

Nice strikes

user

:62005081 i.imgur.com/FqIvOEJ.png

bruh

Why didn't that onebox?

forest

03:08

I think you have to either reply to someone or post it on its own.

thejonymyster

@user classic

user

I literally had to put a #.jpg after a URL ending with .png to make it onebox

caird coinheringaahing

If my laptop were at all competent, I'd've posted it myself :P

forest

eh

lyxal

oh wai

I read that wrong

forest

03:09

That's a reply.

lyxal

8 secs ago, by lyxal

I read that wrong

caird coinheringaahing

Watch me be very originally funny

Laguh pesaants

forest

I don't think it's very funny.

But that's just my opinion.

caird coinheringaahing

Comedy is entirely subjective

py3programmer

Didn’t get this

caird coinheringaahing

03:11

And, tbh, I don't necessarily find it funny, rather accurate. The "look at me, this is funny" is in itself a joke

Please don't ask me to explain, I can barely explain my own sense of humor, let alone the style of humor I put on to make other people laugh

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing tbh it'd be more accurate if the left were "queer people" and the right were "straight people" or something

Even then, not the most accurate

caird coinheringaahing

@user Idk, perhaps there should be a middle ground for cis queer people?

emanresu A

Nah, that’s sexuality not gender

caird coinheringaahing

I've found that cis queer people "get" what I say, but not to the same degree as non-cis people

forest

Life was simpler when it was just straight, gay, and trans. :(

user

03:13

@emanresuA Yeah but I assume cis queer people still understand better than cishet people

forest

All this new stuff is confusing.

user

Ok boomer

forest

:^)

Jo King

queerness is clearly a multiplier rather than additive, so being ace non-binary means you understand 2*2=4 times better than cis straights /s

user

Life was simpler when we were single-celled organisms

forest

03:15

Life was simpler when we were protocells.

lyxal

Life was simpler

user

Life was simpler when we weren't

forest

I miss the good old days when the most exciting thing that happened in a day was bumping into another RNA molecule.

caird coinheringaahing

@forest having had this conversation with multiple people, my answer is: if it doesn't affect you, then be kind and call people what they want to be called

forest

@cairdcoinheringaahing Yeah I agree. It confuses me, but I won't be a dick about it and misgender people intentionally.

user

03:16

I think they were joking

Jo King

i was

8

forest

Now, I probably will forget, but that's because I have awful memory.

caird coinheringaahing

@forest Honestly, I'd rather people be nice and confused than understand it and be a dick

People accept apologies easily, people don't forget intentional insults

forest

Understanding and being a dick is even worse than being confused and being a dick.

Because one can be a dick because they don't understand, but if they do, that means being a dick is intentional.

user

If it's unintentional I wouldn't say you're really being a dick

forest

03:18

Well, you can be a dick accidentally. Or you can act like a dick, at least. E.g. if I called a transsexual a transvestite because I don't know that one is about gender and the other is about clothes, that would make me a dick, even if unintentional.

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, I can't emphasise enough how I'd rather be called a slur by someone whos message is clearly supportive, than I would be "supported" by someone who is deliberately transphobic

The former you can, at least, let them know that it feels bad to be called that slur. The latter is just an evil basterd

@forest I'd avoid either, and use the term "drag"

But, if you make a mistake, no worries, people should be there to help

forest

@cairdcoinheringaahing Isn't drag about fashion? Whereas transvestite is just about the clothes and can be a fetish (if I understand) or drag or whatever. And then transsexual is getting surgery to treat gender dysphoria (and I don't know what the difference between transsexual and transgender is, but I assume there's something subtle that differentiates them that I'm not aware of).

caird coinheringaahing

Kind of. There's a very weird blurred line between the two, but the main problem is that "transvestite" and "transexual" were, for a long time, used to harass trans people/drag performers

Jo King

i don't think anyone's reclaiming those words any time soon

forest

Transsexual was? I knew that transvestite was because it tried to reduce people with genuine dysphoria into "mere fetishists", which is awful.

caird coinheringaahing

03:22

As a general rule, the best terms are:
"drag": someone, who could be anywhere from cis to trans, who crossdresses, typically as part of a performance
"transgender": someone who identifies as a different gender to the gender they were assigned at birth
The two are not necessarily the same, but there is a considerable overlap

@forest Yeah, it rose as an offensive term in the 90s/early 2000s

forest

So drag is any cross-dressing? Not just the particular type in some kinds of cinema?

Jo King

@cairdcoinheringaahing uh, 2000s, not 2020s?

caird coinheringaahing

@forest Typically, drag is used as part of a performance, but can be applied to any kind

forest

huh

caird coinheringaahing

@JoKing Yeah, that's what I meant

forest

03:24

I guess my terminology's all mixed up.

caird coinheringaahing

@forest For example, my university has a drag society. For our Welcome Fair, there are typically a few people dressed up, in traditionally "cross-dressing" outfits, but it isn't for show or anything, just to exemplify "this is what we do"

forest

Interesting.

The only place I know drag is from that one musical, whatsitcalled.

caird coinheringaahing

@forest Honestly, that's not a problem. The world changes fast, and, so long as people are happy to update what they "know", it's all good

@forest Rocky Horror?

forest

That might be it, yeah.

I've never seen it, just seen references to it.

@cairdcoinheringaahing Things change a little too fast imho. Half the time a term I use which I thought was polite turns out to have turned into a slur.

I wish people could just accept what someone's intention is.

I mean, I recently found out that "schizophrenia" was an ableist slur. The last thing that I actually remember changing in society was "mentally retarded" going out of fashion as the politically-correct term for a very low IQ.

So all these new changes are quite difficult to keep up with. I tend to just avoid the topic for that reason.

caird coinheringaahing

@forest I can't speak to others, but I, at the very least, try to understand intention. While I'd like for everyone to think the way I do (don't we all?), I understand that's unrealistic, and so, if someone happens to use a term I consider offensive, my general response is to let them know that it's generally considered offensive, and ask them to use an alternative

forest

03:29

And then they use that alternate and someone else says that's offensive and gives them another alternate. It happens a little too much.

caird coinheringaahing

@forest I've never heard that "schizophrenia" is a slur, as far as I was aware it's a legitimate mental health problem

forest

huh

caird coinheringaahing

But yeah, there's always someone new claiming something is offensive. It can be very tough to draw the line

forest

Oh, maybe it was "schizo" as a shortened version.

(See, my memory sucks)

Unrelated String

yeah probably that

caird coinheringaahing

03:31

Yeah, I've heard that be used derogatorily before

forest

@cairdcoinheringaahing My line is "if it was said with the intent to offend, it's offensive".

Jo King

i think i saw the end of that conversation, and the person seemed to be overreacting

caird coinheringaahing

Typically, if it feels like it's a dismissive diminution of an important term (like schizophrenia), then it's likely offensive

forest

Yeah but all the syllables!

:p

caird coinheringaahing

Copy-paste :P

forest

03:33

I just wanna golf it into szphrna.

caird coinheringaahing

Golf it to s

forest

lel

Unrelated String

@forest ~~sad bi noises~~

forest

@UnrelatedString It's a bitmask, of course! Bi = straight | gay.

Unrelated String

true

caird coinheringaahing

03:34

@UnrelatedString That explains the profile pictures :P

Consistently purple, pink and blue :P

Unrelated String

what

caird coinheringaahing

@forest & not |

@UnrelatedString The bi flag :P

forest

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'm ORing them.

Unrelated String

& would be zero

because it's bitmasks

caird coinheringaahing

Hmm yes, see my amazing bit knowledge :P

forest

03:36

You'd AND it to get rid of one. E.g. BI & ~(STRAIGHT) would be GAY.

caird coinheringaahing

&, ^, | and ~ are indeed commands, used only by the ultimate bitwise magician golfers :P

Jo King

i just use maketrans from Python

8

thejonymyster

i use & and | twice as hard

&& and ||

Jo King

you only check whether you're gay once you realise you're straight?

caird coinheringaahing

@JoKing Gosh darn them gays, they're infecting our snakes!

user

03:38

@cairdcoinheringaahing That's asexual

caird coinheringaahing

Isn't asexual ~(allosexual)?

forest

It'd just be NULL. :P

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing Damn pedants

forest

Can the LGBT+ struct even fit in a cachline these days?

user

It's an interface that everyone implements :P

caird coinheringaahing

03:40

All modern programming languages come preinstalled with queer packages

Python for example has import yaaas_queen to turn the user gay

forest

Sounds dangerous. Does it toggle the gay or OR it?

It'd suck to be gay and accidentally use it and become straight.

hyper-neutrino

if you're already gay then it makes you gay²

user

from random import gender, sexuality for a surprise :P

forest

>become autosexual
>set gender read-only
>???
>profit

caird coinheringaahing

C'mon SE chat

forest

03:43

It's a webp. I don't think it can onebox.

user

forest

lmao

caird coinheringaahing

Ye, that's the sumbitch

user

@forest Webps cannot match the power of #.jpg

Unrelated String

coincidentally i'm like 90% sure my current pfp is bi (she considers herself a lesbian but is also way into bl and jokes that she's a man's "erotic slave"; if i understand the terminology correctly i think the implication is she's bisexual but homoromantic?) but i have no idea what you're talking about with consistently having bi flag colors
i can't remember having ever had a pfp with all three bi flag colors at once
like i actually have a folder with every pfp i've used here and not one of them has had all three colors

thejonymyster

03:44

(see full text) but it reveals nothing, thats a first for me

forest

My mind just broke. I'm going to go to try to repair it.

laters o/

thejonymyster

clicking it made the message shorter

user

Yeah that's happened to me too

Isn't chat just wonderful?

caird coinheringaahing

@UnrelatedString okay, I'm not even touching the first part of that. I was just remarking that your pfp tend to feature pink, purple or blue, which are the colors of the bi flag

Unrelated String

oh just like one at a time

i guess lmao

caird coinheringaahing

03:46

Wasn't suggesting you were bi, or that your pfps implied you were bi or that your pfps were all bi, or anything, just that there was a common theme that I noticed, that I guess you didn't :P

Also, when original deformed blue planet pfp?

Unrelated String

it's just an odd thing to notice because those are three pretty common colors

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing looks at vyxal logo huh guess vyxal (the golfing language) is bi

caird coinheringaahing

Everything is bi, duh

Unrelated String

never :P

i use it virtually everywhere else but i'm committed to the rotation here

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing kid named "is"

user

03:48

@lyxal Vyxal isn't just bi, Vyxal loves and carnally desires everyone, especially Poland

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caird coinheringaahing

@user Jimmy Carter is here to fuck, and he isn't leaving

lyxal

@user what do a bunch of metal poles have to do with anything? /s

user

CMQ: What would the languages you use be like if they were people?

Unrelated String

also fwiw i'm pretty sure i am bi
it's just not a meaningful part of my identity :P

caird coinheringaahing

Jelly is that arrogant nerd sat in the corner correcting everyone

@UnrelatedString Solid

lyxal

03:52

Honestly the answer to all romantic preference problems is to just be a gamer or an esolang designer - that way you have so little of a life that you're just chronically single and never able to be in any relationship

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Unrelated String

precisely

caird coinheringaahing

@user Vyxal is the "cool" kid who just repeats all of Jelly's jokes but louder, and gets the laughs

user

@lyxal This is what practically everyone here does already. We are true experts in the game of love, where the best move is not to play at all :P

hyper-neutrino

@lyxal lmao mood

caird coinheringaahing

Yes, I am awake at 4 am. Why? Code golf, duh :P

@user 05AB1E is that kid who graduated a few years back but still hangs out with the seniors and from time to time gives them answers to the exam questions

user

03:56

@cairdcoinheringaahing I've been thinking and...this is actually pretty accurate. Except I guess Vyxal has newer jokes that the older languages like Jelly think (mistakenly, of course) are cringe

caird coinheringaahing

Ugh, what kind of lame-o's use flags, honestly nerd, get with the times *flicks emo fringe*

mousetail

07:23

Are there any simple esolangs that are interesting but held back by a buggy/hard to run/missing implementation? I want to implement another language but don't have the creativity to design one

pxeger

@forest Crossdressing is and has been very common in pantomime for a very long time. Only recently has it started to become described as drag though

Oh apparently the word drag has been around for much longer than I thought

Bubbler

08:00

@mousetail Maybe try browsing on esolangs.org? I think they have "unimplemented" category; be sure to avoid "uncomputable" among them

mousetail

Ideally I'd want one that is implemented but something is wrong with the implementation. Non-implemented languages tend to be poorly specified.

Bubbler

random bashing time then

emanresu A

08:38

I wish the esolangs wiki had a better search function

Although if it did the programming language quiz would likely have no uncracked posts

mousetail

Who runs the esolangs wiki?

Jo King

08:50

@mousetail Lyricly? there's not as much overlap between our communities as you would think

mousetail

You could contact him and volunteer to build a better search function though?

emanresu A

There's a mediawiki plugin. I was discussing this with ais (who moderates the wiki) and apparently it has issues though

mousetail

plugins always have issues

lyxal

@JoKing I thought it was ais523

Jo King

i guess lyricly only runs the discord

lyxal

08:54

That's what I gathered from my days of frequenting the wiki and the discord

Jo King

there's a list of "bureaucrats" at esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Bureaucrats

Number Basher

12:38

Any suggestions until we do a test run?

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Q: Event Proposal: (Weekly? Monthly?) Puzzles Jam

I wanted to make a code golf (& coding challenges) puzzles jam here. Inspired by this and this and a lot more, I think we can start a puzzles jam where people can work in a group of 1-3 on a 3 hour continuous period every weekend to create a puzzle related to a specific topic. We can then vote on...

discussion event event-proposal proposal puzzles-jam

(https://codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/25119/event-proposal-weekly-monthly-puzzles-jam)

mousetail

@NumberBasher I still don't really understand it

Number Basher

which part

mousetail

The basic idea

Idea is just to get feedback on your challenges for 3 hours?

Number Basher

no

to group work a challenge

a new one

on a specific topic

mousetail

Like what would be a topic for example?

Also you still haven't clarified if it's specifically supposed to be programming-puzzles or just challenges in general

Number Basher

12:51

@mousetail for instance, mazes, or randomness

mousetail

I don't think it's doable to make a challenge in 3 hours, it typically takes me several weeks

I'm not that experienced though of course

Number Basher

@mousetail what's the difference?

@mousetail teamwork makes the dreamwork... and perhaps it could be simply an idea, or we can extend 3 hours... just a proposal, not refinement yet :-)

mousetail

@NumberBasher Not sure how teamwork would help. It's just that good ideas are few and far between

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