The Nineteenth Byte

???, 519 bytes UMMMMM PLEASE START THE PROGRAM UHHHH HIDE ALL ERRRRR UHHH, PLEASE SET VARIABLE n TO 99 DISABLE ERRRR FOR ABOVE LINE UM PRESET VARIABLE y TO 0 START A LOOP HEH YOU BETTER START WORKING WHAT IN THE WORLD BUT ANYWAY, INCREASE y BY 1 UM YOU ALSO HAVE TO PRINT y YEAH CHECK CONDITION y ...

have fun

Anyone?

0

???, 100000 bytes https://urlcc.cc/numberbasher Oh, and by the way, this sentence means nothing. I just want my body to be at least 30 characters...

0

???, 274 bytes push=1; goto 3; push 100; line 11 push; goto 11; push 10; pop; equal 1; goto 10; pop 100; push=80; push=10; pu=push; go=pu+1; goto 20; pushe=1; goto=10; this=10; line=19; NGGYU~~; push=go; b=99 max push; ch=b-68; goto ch; Never~/ Gonna/ Give/ You/ Up/ ,/ / goto 02; 100;

12:36 AM

@NumberBasher That's invalid

Since no one's had a crack at it yet:

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???, 13 bytes :+1_#_@#-d',: I rate this easy-medium, with the right perspective.

@emanresuA obviously we dont have the right perspective here :P

@emanresuA technically, it was under the "to compete" category

> ...must fit into your answer in full (so it must not be longer than 65,536 characters) - this shouldn't be an issue for any serious submission.

quoted from the challenge body

deleted that

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???, 2022 bytes +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +...

@AidenChow It is under "To compete as a cop:", technically

To compete as a cop:

BLABLABLA

Stop techincality-lawyering, and anyway your answer is a cop

12:46 AM

@NumberBasher not sure what point u are trying to make with that... ur answer cant be longer than 65536 characters, no exceptions

@emanresuA technically i'm not competing, +whatever i deleted it anyways

hyper-neutrino

wdym "you're not competing"

@NumberBasher well if u really want to interpret the rule like that, u can ignore all the rules and just post an answer saying "lmao this answer is not competing so im not gonna put anything here suck it losers"

> ... closed to further competing cop entries

whatever ialready deleted it i'm not going to argue

Anyone?

9 mins ago, by Number Basher

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???, 2022 bytes +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +...

@AidenChow it looks like J but it's not J...

hyper-neutrino

12:51 AM

@NumberBasher my point isn't to argue but clear up an apparent misunderstanding

@Steffan It's pretty much as far away from J as possible :P

But it's a language y'all have almost certainly heard ofo

Ok, that's good news. I don't have to be prowling on esolangs.org

It's on TIO

lol idk that many langs of the top of my head :\

OH!!!

no more new contributor for me~~~

12:56 AM

@emanresuA oh good to know, im just gonna scroll through tio and try any langs that look familiar to me (is that even allowed??)

That's what I'm doing too

I may or may not beat you to it

Yeah, what's not allowed is automated bruteforcing

@emanresuA i wouldnt even know how to do that lol

@emanresuA does this have the numbers printed or the characters with codepoints printed?

Chars

12:58 AM

Quadrefunge-97/Quintefunge-97

@lyxal da hell?!?!? that is definitely NOT a lang im familiar with

I've definitely not heard of that

or alternatively befunge98 works too

Oh, I've heard of befunge.

never heard of that in my life

12:59 AM

u havent heard of befunge?

you've been living under a rock

how?

@lyxal Yep, intended lol

post a crack

I tried befunge-93 but not befunge-98 lol

Works in befunge 96 & 97 too

bro i literally skipped right over that, didnt recognize it :| -_-

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1:00 AM

:+1_#_@#-d',:

A random guess would be: you push 100 and then push in top-1 until top is 0, pop one and output stack reversed?

esolangs.org/wiki/Funge-98

it was the d' that hinted at a multi-directional language

Romanp

@OldSandboxPosts Should probably post one or both of these

@lyxal Oops lol, should've disguised that better

because 'd would be 100, but it's in reverse, so there has to be some sort of IP movement

1:02 AM

If you look over it you'll see just how much effort I put into avoiding signs of a 2d lang, but I missed that one.

@emanresuA I just know this because Keg lol

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???, 2022 bytes +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +...

what how is 'd 100 ???

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???, 274 bytes push=1; goto 3; push 100; line 11 push; goto 11; push 10; pop; equal 1; goto 10; pop 100; push=80; push=10; pu=push; go=pu+1; goto 20; pushe=1; goto=10; this=10; line=19; NGGYU~~; push=go; b=99 max push; ch=b-68; goto ch; Never~/ Gonna/ Give/ You/ Up/ ,/ / goto 02; 100;

@AidenChow IDK

' push ascii value of next char d has ascii value of 100

1:03 AM

@lyxal is that commonly used in 2d langs or just specific to some ?

i recognized d as 100 but i didnt recognize 2d

it's common in fungeoids where the only type is numbers

@lyxal OHH

Anyone, above?

"fungeoid" tf

what that

fungeoid : a language like befunge

anyone for chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/61145989#61145989?

1:04 AM

@AidenChow befunge is like only the second most influential esolang, so idk how you don't know this

@lyxal never seen an answer using it before :|

esolangs.org/wiki/Fungeoid

@AidenChow have you seen ><> before?

i have

@lyxal oh ye, it was mentioned in the bitcycle github

have no idea what it is tho

kinda looks like a fish

><> is a fungeoid

1:05 AM

ngl

yeah

that's the point

the language is pronounced fish

oh lmaoo

><> was the first esolang I learned and it's what introduced me to fungeoids and stack-based languages

i've def heard of ><> and seen it used lol

i dont know ><> tho

fish, meanwhile, is a sh derivative, like bash and zsh

wait theres a lang called fish too ?

o_o

gonna get confused by that im pretty sure

1:08 AM

Technically a lang, but not really a lang

it's a shell

fishshell.com

I made a fungeoid once

it was the first esolang I ever made

similar to sh, bash, zsh, etc.

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???, 2022 bytes +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +...

upvote for whoever solves this

@lyxal curlyfrick?

or minefriff?

minefriff

curlyfrick is a brainfrick clone

1:10 AM

i should make a crappy lang sometime

@Steffan that was the 3rd (or 4th depending on what you count as esolang) esolang I made

i guess keg and vyxal are technically esolangs

"technically"

not what I meant

well u also have keta

1:12 AM

Minefriff was first
Keg was second
Keta (which I never finished) was third (although if it was never finished is it really third?)
Curlyfrick was fourth
Vyxal was fifth

@Steffan that's what I meant

"technically" the technical world is the same as the reality

but in reality it isn't

so it's depending on what you count as "made"

yeah

Explanated

who would like to rate this

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???, 2022 bytes +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +...

I would personally rate it medium I guess?

This I would rate it hard:

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???, 274 bytes push=1; goto 3; push 100; line 11 push; goto 11; push 10; pop; equal 1; goto 10; pop 100; push=80; push=10; pu=push; go=pu+1; goto 20; pushe=1; goto=10; this=10; line=19; NGGYU~~; push=go; b=99 max push; ch=b-68; goto ch; Never~/ Gonna/ Give/ You/ Up/ ,/ / goto 02; 100;

1:17 AM

I first created Jyxal, a JS port of Vyxal which I never finished. This was a bit after I started helping with Vyxal though. Then I created Javastack which I had a fun competition of with Lyxal, but stopped because I didn't want to redesign the lang for that purpose. I created tarfish, which was kinda a disappointment, then tried and failed to merge Vyxal and Jelly. I helped with a few langs along the way and recently created Halfwit, which is complete but regrettable.

i've just been starting and abandoning jelly-except-it's-brachylog concepts for like two years

@RadvylfPrograms heres my thoughts on this challenge: i do like the sound of this challenge, and i feel like "largest turing incomplete character set" is the best way to phrase its name, but i feel like it needs some more specific rules on what actually constituted the charset, to prevent languages from being like "actually I could slap all of these 500 unicode characters into a string or whatever without being able to make it turing complete, so my score is 532"

possibly something like saying that unless your language actually needs unicode characters or has its own charset, your charset should be assumed to be ASCII/printable ASCII

> Like code-golf, competition is purely within a language, not between different ones
[...]
Since it's quite likely almost all of Unicode could go in the character set, you can also list the characters not in your character set and try to minimize that

still a good point though; maybe define the score as the number of excluded characters just so we don't have too much staring at numbers in the millions

i suppose, but that kinda forces scoring into being "how many are not in your charset"

another possible restriction would be requiring that the characters have to have some possible use outside of like string/char literals and comments

so if the only thing you can do with a char is name a variable or a function that, thats okay, but if youd have to put it in string/comment/whatever to make it valid in the code, thats not okay

that gets into subjective territory for no real reason imo

1:23 AM

that would help to weed out, for example, brainfuck being like "well every character that isnt an instruction is not parsed, so all those are allowable"

i feel like thats not that subjective? saying that it has to be useable in a context where its actually being parsed in some manner is fairly clear

@UnrelatedString My idea was Jelly's syntax * vyxal's builtins

oh like that
yeah good point

Yeah, I think that one could be an actually good idea

@UnrelatedString Agreed

@des54321 That's why I'm rewording it to the smallest set variant

@emanresuA i've entertained at several points the idea of designing a language that's fundamentally stack-based but looks fixed-adicity tacit under most circumstances

1:27 AM

It's sort of the default that you'll be able to put millions of characters in a string or comment

i guess what im trying to say is, its fine if you can put millions of characters into a variable or function name, but if the only way to make them not error is to stick them in a string or comment, that doesnt really count except to pad up your score

That's a bad idea for a whole list of reasons

It's unobservable, it undermines the point of the challenge IMO, it's unnecessary, and it goes against the recommendations for challenges even if it did manage to stay open

check this out

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???, 3333 bytes 1287+31235.21358235-13225+2135212335+1215.503412+23122533213+532-542335.23553-5113235+23315+3521.52354+12335.385123-5131234+513122353231+5134.05213+51123523341+653415-321335.1355432-64513735+7638+56579.7559+78639867.98-6781752685+76517256353634+5612.43605426+517245632+43643-64537....

Oh gosh this is gonna be very hard for Vyxal

So many ACE vulnerabilities

I managed to bypass that but there's still a ridiculous solution of sorting an infinite list by a global named function

> Every so often, the glossary can be printed out and distributed to team members or downloaded to a PDA (such as a Palm Pilot or BlackBerry).

this is from a 2010 textbook

1:34 AM

...

hard to believe PDAs were a thing once lol

ikr

i still don't entirely know what the use case was for them

What is a PDA?

Personal Digital Assistant

kind of like a precursor to smartphones

@UnrelatedString professional business probably

@lyxal basically proto-cortana /s

1:38 AM

lol that's a name I haven't heard in a while

man I remember using cortana on my windows phone 8 and thinking it was the coolest thing ever

lmao

then I got an echo dot and now Alexa is the coolest thing

you clearly don't accidentally hit win-c and get a message saying cortana isn't available in australia very often

Anyone try this?

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???, 2022 bytes +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+ :+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+: +...

@JoKing I genuinely didn't know that happened lol

only just found out that keybind exists

looks to me like Cortana is avaliable in Australia

1:41 AM

do you have your language set to English (Australia)?

@RadvylfPrograms seems to prevent pasting links?

@JoKing huh, so I don't

Yeah that's a bug, just a sec

@NumberBasher Please stop spamming

^

1:42 AM

I did && instead of || in an if >:|

imagine not just using the chat improvements userscript which, along with image pasting, provides a whole bunch of other cool stuff

Fixed

OK

@lyxal "blackberry" now thats a name i havent heard in years

now i want to eat some blackberries

1:48 AM

imagine eating fruit

made by I don't fruit gang

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A friend came up with this JS: for(i = 0; i < 100000; i++) clearInterval(i);

Better: for (i = 0; i < setTimeout(() => null, 0); i++) clearTimeout(i)

i have a feeling i should be horrified

but why?

why would you want to do that?

It allows cheating on pretty much any timed game

1:51 AM

Oh huh

does js have like
timed events or something
that just exist as unprotected global state

Yep

In Node they're Symbols instead though

So instead

IT'S A FRICKING MEMORY LEAK and I HATE IT

like i guess that's not a problem necessarily
but it's fucking jank as a design choice for a high level dynamic language

@RadvylfPrograms That's smart

@RadvylfPrograms wow

1:54 AM

memory leaks are a proud tradition that humanity has continued into the computer age

7

Wezl 'l o - o l'

lol

Wezl 'l o - o l'

2:06 AM

sorry just had to art

are a memory leak

2:29 AM

is there a chess place in se?

hyper-neutrino

yes there's a chess.se: chess.stackexchange.com

2:45 AM

basically the polar opposite of anarchy chess

3:02 AM

ok

3:37 AM

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@NumberBasher i cracked ur 2022 bytes cop, its mariolang

@AidenChow post a crack then

saw that, nice

@emanresuA i just did :p

is it too obviously 2d?

@AidenChow how...

tio bashing?

3:45 AM

i was just trying random langs on tio that looked like they were 2d

i basically just stumbled upon mariolang and tried it

and it worked :)

i initially thought it was milky way or smth lol

i mean

do you understand how it works?

is it too obviously 2d?

@NumberBasher i mean it was kinda obvious

i thougt milky way cuz it looked like a bunch of stars lol

or like starry

i mean

1/10 of the symbols are fillers

9/10 i mean

lol

im working on the other solution now

in ;#+ it outputs 0235669910111212131520210 lol

3:49 AM

@Steffan lmao nice

in A Pear Tree, it outputs "a partridge"

wait which other solution ?

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???, 274 bytes push=1; goto 3; push 100; line 11 push; goto 11; push 10; pop; equal 1; goto 10; pop 100; push=80; push=10; pu=push; go=pu+1; goto 20; pushe=1; goto=10; this=10; line=19; NGGYU~~; push=go; b=99 max push; ch=b-68; goto ch; Never~/ Gonna/ Give/ You/ Up/ ,/ / goto 02; 100;

I patched the Garbage Collector for Funky3, so now there's no (obvious) memory leaks. Unfortunately, now while(1){} can freeze the browser.

@Steffan HAHA thats funny, most things i put as code prints out that too

probably some error msg?

3:51 AM

maybe lol

esolangs.org/wiki/A_Pear_Tree

> If there are no appropriate substrings, the interpreter prints a partridge and exits, rather than running the program.

@NumberBasher does mario just fall straight down ?

yah

because else it would be too apparent

basically like

see, mario is walking down here that is the wall this must be mariolang
============================================

@Steffan I feel like the ;'s in this are a part of a code-point based language

Rather than line enders

@Steffan that's in esolang and proabably not in tio

@ATaco hint, it is

oh its not on tio, that makes it harder

3:57 AM

lol

i was just bruteforcing tio lol

ok time for some other methods

goes to google search

prob wont work tho lol

What if all the numbers and letters are ignored

@AidenChow don't think that's gonna be helpful

^ yah

@Steffan then you end up with ;;;;;;;;;;; something

another big hint tho i think it is obvious, some lines are ignored

with tildes and stuff

Never gonna give you up is not helping you

3:58 AM

Obviously not

But the slashes there might

wait what if it's 2D

and something goes down the semicolons or smth

slashes remind me of marbelous, probably wrong though

hows we supposed to test it if it's not on tio

download it and compile it and stuff?

download the interpreter :|

codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/247433/111945 ~~~

@AidenChow let me check if there is an interpreter

bye for now!

4:16 AM

Ooh, silver kolmogorov-complexity!

bice

*nice

Back

@AidenChow there is a work-in-progress interpreter

That's nowhere near good enough

You need an actual concrete interpreter that works

good news, the interpreter doesn;t work

Then the answer's invalid

4:30 AM

i'll delete that

4:42 AM

What was the solution..?

imagine its esolangs.org/wiki/FuckPutin lol

That's quite the Terse C implementation

Unlike all the previous ones, the latest SO blog post is actually interesting, correct, and not trying to sell you something!

5:04 AM

Regarding the "noise issues

5:21 AM

@ATaco for that?

For the deleted answer

LAIN

esolangs.org)

6:32 AM

@PyGamer0 come and join us in the lyxture room

oh dang the lecture is starting ?

it's started

started 34 mins ago

@AidenChow Would you like the link?

(don't publicly share the link this week tho)

(but aiden has it iirc)

pretty sure i have it somewhere in my history

is it the zoom link with uonewcastle ?

6:35 AM

yee

Yeah, and the last chars of the password should be T09.

k

Q: Count the Liberties - Advanced

7:12 AM

@AidenChow oK or ngn/k ?

:P

New Posts

7:37 AM

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Here's an advanced version of the Count the Liberties challenge. The definitions of the terms liberty and group are the same as the previous challenge, so have a look at the previous one for details, but briefly put, A group is a group of stones that are connected horizontally or vertically. Lib...

7:50 AM

we had a student in our class and for 3 questions which are all the questions there and got all of them wrong

AND EACH ARE CHOOSE 1 FROM 2!!!

I had a mate in Maths class score a perfect 0 on a Multiple Choice, Calculator Test.

wow

8:03 AM

@ATaco what a gamer

8:29 AM

@UnrelatedString good thing i added those :P

yep lmao

i actually forgot for a second that you have both and you didn't just go from left fold to right fold when you went from ltr to rtl

wait i should have done that..

but the question is which is more useful foldr or foldl

foldr is more natural for a rtl language and more useful in the specific case of subtraction :P

9:01 AM

> Ask a public question

Yes!! No more qban-> answers improvement is useful

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Q: Encoder and Decoder

Encoder and Decoder king-of-the-hill Every submission is an encoder and a decoder Encoder An encoder must: Be less than 100 bytes Produce the same output given the same input Produce different outputs given different inputs Be coded in Python 3 The output must have length \$ l \$ such that \...

king-of-the-hill

You just got out of a qban, please take this as a lesson to use the sandbox properly and respond to feedback and downvotes.

Furthermore, you're asking people to create a bijection between sets of strings, and then to create a decoder that can somehow tell the difference between multiple bijections. It's trivial to create an encoder that'll fool every possible decoder - simply take an existing encoder and apply a simple transformation to the input to that.

For example, if the domain of what can be inputted is strings of lowercase letters, shifting each letter right a place before passing it into the encoder will yield exactly the same set of outputs, such that no decoder can tell the difference, but different decoded results.

flawr

9:25 AM

@pxeger Do you have a separate room for discussing ATO?

Attempt This Online

(ask in The Ninteenth Byte to unfreeze!) - Discussion and feed...

flawr

thanks!

pxeger should come online in an hour or so, maybe less

Adám

9:38 AM

How would you spell the sound of two decks of cards being shuffled together?

tthtthtthtthtthtthtthtthtthtthtthtthtthtthtthtthtthtthtthtthtthtthtthtthp

^

maybe toss a few rs in there

pxeger

@emanresuA hello

I can't estimate (at least not accurately)

9:49 AM

@UnrelatedString i guess i will switch the directions then :p

Al Spam Service, Clotter Baby Tower Dubai

1 1

WHAT (read the description)

tf

10:03 AM

why is there so much air conditioning profile spam?

i think this one's some attempt at a parody of it

> Our competitors put their knowledge to good use, we don't.

10:40 AM

hmm

@emanresuA this actually says Al

not AI

Al, not AI

caird coinheringaahing

> Phone : +9

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

ha ha ha ha ha

pxeger

11:56 AM

Any feedback:

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Categorising categories code-golf decision-problem graph-theory A category is an abstract mathematical object whose actual meaning is not really important here. A category can be viewed as a directed graph with the following restrictions: every node in the graph has at least one edge from and to...

Ginger

12:16 PM

uwnjd

I am having to use an inordinately large number of <div>s to make even a simple form

Adám

I just stumbled upon a dozen job positions at SimCorp that involve APL, though the main language is often C#/C++/Python/etc. Go ahead and contact them if you're interested, but note that some have deadlines that are coming up soon.

Ginger

huh

okay, about to test room creation

wish me luck

yO IT WORKED

:D

1:28 PM

> mouse copulation

I'm guessing this is AI generated then a human's gone through and added some randomness and humor than an AI's otherwise not good at doing

Can mods remove things from the Hot Meta Posts? This is still up there