The Nineteenth Byte

Number Basher

12:32 AM

NEXT CLASS: talk through a 144 page ppt in 5 minutes

@lyxal My greed control has +1 on sand and -4 on main

Number Basher

12:48 AM

Unfortunately we ran out of time

emanresu A

@NewPosts There's got to be a neater solution than anything we have

PyGamer0

o/

emanresu A

As in hello or goodbye?

PyGamer0

why would i say goodbye

i am generally asleep at this time

OldSandboxPosts

Sandbox posts last active a week ago: King of the Cards

emanresu A

1:05 AM

@PyGamer0 Is it 6am or 7am for you?

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Encoder and Decoder Every submission is an encoder and a decoder Encoder An encoder must: Be less than 100 bytes Produce the same output given the same input Produce different outputs given different inputs Be coded in Python 3 The output must have length \$ l \$ such that \$ \frac{x}2 < l <...

lyxal

@emanresuA I think it might be 8am or 9am

@emanresuA 6:30

for me, 9am

@lyxal wrong

1:06 AM

@PyGamer0 Oof

Number Basher

@PyGamer0 where are you from

PyGamer0

@NumberBasher i think i have said that in chat before..

Number Basher

Where...

PyGamer0

i am in your neighboring country :P

Number Basher

China has like 10 neiboring countries and I think you said it t least 1 day ago

(You were last active a day ago

I give up...

PyGamer0

1:10 AM

@NumberBasher literally the largest country towards the south west

Unrelated String

from the account on hinduism se i'm assuming india

Number Basher

India i guess then

PyGamer0

yeah

Number Basher

without your last message it could as well as have been nepal or pakistan

or stuff

PyGamer0

yeah

Number Basher

1:12 AM

@PyGamer0 i suspect you said it weeks ago...

it's impossible to type chinese blind so I always type english if I can

plus i suck at chinese (little smile

PyGamer0

May 12 at 5:28, by PyGamer0

lets hope india starts making semiconductors so i can buy a bunch of DIP ICs :P

@NumberBasher ^ last week

Number Basher

hmm...

Is there a way of writing brainfuck code that isn't O(1) or O(x) or O(x^2) or O(x^3) ...

BTW does this support latex? \$ x \$ $y$

no

Radvylf Programs

in Discussion about potential RO election, 1 hour ago, by Feeds

This private room has been automatically frozen for lack of moderator activity.

wh...

emanresu A

potential RO election

Hm yes, it might happen in future

Radvylf Programs

Just a possibility :p

Number Basher

1:31 AM

> codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/24771/…

I think everyone is going to tie

Radvylf Programs

@NumberBasher Yes, you can, for example, calculate 2 ** input and decrement that until it's zero

PyGamer0

^^

lyxal

CMQ: When you're making a UML diagram, do you include constructors in a class box?

Number Basher

@RadvylfPrograms isn't it still O(x)?

emanresu A

I think certain people are gonna try and force a ttie

Radvylf Programs

1:32 AM

@NumberBasher No, it would be O(2^n)

Where n is the input number

Number Basher

@emanresuA unless some people decide they like a candidate and all vote him

@RadvylfPrograms on i thought 2*input ok

emanresu A

Radvylf Programs

Since BF is turing complete, you can also just translate any non-polynomial-time algorithm in another language into it

Number Basher

i think someone should add a random addon for bf

Radvylf Programs

@emanresuA I keep reading this as (Writing Good) Analysis which sounds funny

@NumberBasher There's a ton of languages almost identical to BF but with slight differences, so I'm sure it exists. But I think taking the random number as input is allowed here, so it's not really necessary.

Number Basher

1:35 AM

me too when i read it

lyxal

@RadvylfPrograms Writing Good - where a high school english teacher gets into the drug buisness

Number Basher

hahahahahaha

Unrelated String

@lyxal i would hope so but have never been exposed to uml

Number Basher

how do you tell the time in bf?

Radvylf Programs

You can't, you just take it as input

Number Basher

1:37 AM

we can in computers, should be possible in brainfuck

Radvylf Programs

BF can only write pure code

It's entirely deterministic

Number Basher

then how does hour computer tell the time...:-)

Radvylf Programs

Well I'd hope your computer's not written in brainfuck :p

Unrelated String

it's not exactly in a pure-functional style but it has no access to any external state beyond its two i/o instructions

Radvylf Programs

Nah BF and Haskell are just different approaches to the same paradigm IMO :p

Number Basher

1:39 AM

i bet 0$ the candidates in ro will tie

Radvylf Programs

I think it's more likely they'll be 2-4 votes away from one another

Number Basher

i will force a tie

(try to

Radvylf Programs

I think it's pretty likely we'll appoint all three, whether it's a perfect tie or not

Number Basher

yeah...

i mean losing 100000 to 100001 doesn't make you bad, just makes you not have that many friends that has an see account ;-)

That's a big change...

465 rep in 8 days!!!

> codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/24775/111945

thanks

Radvylf Programs

It doesn't seem like it's possible

Number Basher

1:53 AM

but i think ciphers are very limited inside 100 chars

Radvylf Programs

But without a large amount of data, and some luck or human-y assumptions, it's difficult or impossible to determine whether a possible encoding that was used is the correct one or not

Number Basher

I added this

You may assume an info.txt file in the same directory that contains all possible words that may be included in the original message

Radvylf Programs

Well, problem is, this isn't really a KotH sort of thing. Because the decoder isn't really a competitive thing, it's either optimal and capable of handling any encoder, or it isn't (and then it's invalid).

Number Basher

no wait

it isn;t invalid

it only have to be capable to decode

his own encoder

editted a bit

Aiden Chow

2:21 AM

dang desmos added width and height builtin variables: desmos.com/calculator/mldgn3edyh

Unrelated String

2:35 AM

nice

Radvylf Programs

sets both to quadruple their value, sells first 8k 13" laptop

emanresu A

@lyxal Funny thing is, this is a maths assignment

Steffan

3:06 AM

Wait why am I at the top of the month and quarter rank

emanresu A

I'm almost certainly at the botttom

Probably because you've been answering a lot

Those messages were meant to be the other way around

lyxal

@Steffan vyxal rep lol

Steffan

ig

i haven't posted a single vyxal answer yet without upvotes tbh

lol

@emanresuA you're #873 quarter rank, #466 month rank lol

user is at the bottom of the month rank

you're second

and third on quarter rank

emanresu A

Lol

Steffan

suprisingly, caird is at the bottom of quarter rank

because he spend -1500 on bounties

actually 2000

Number Basher

3:21 AM

lol

@AidenChow what does it do?

Steffan

returns the width/height of the grid

minus the navbar and sidebar ofc

i think i'm going to sandbox the reverse of my question here but i have no idea what to use for a title

i'll just have to fill the title with zwsps

Number Basher

but i think you can't set them

(setting them no result

Steffan

yes why would you be able to set them lol

radvylf's comment is a joke

Number Basher

is there a way to set color of a plot

without going to settings

Steffan

wdym?

Number Basher

3:29 AM

i.e. modifying equation

Steffan

hold down on the graph symbol

Number Basher

so y=x^2 makes that graph, is there something like y-x^2{red} or something

Steffan

no

you can hold down on the symbol to the left on it and change settings there

Number Basher

that's bad

@Steffan i know

what is "The scale of the problem

Steffan

?

Number Basher

3:30 AM

in time complexity fyi

Steffan

u mean like big O?

idk

Number Basher

The time complexity of an algorithm is O(n), which of the following statement is correct? ___________
A. The scale of the problem is n
B. The execution time is equal to n
C. The execution time is proportional to n
D. The running time is equal to n

Steffan

Dunno

Number Basher

B and D are definitely wrong

Unrelated String

if it's select one then a is probably just meant to catch out imprecision

Number Basher

3:32 AM

and I think C is wrong

because it could be proportional to n+log(n) or n+19

Steffan

I'm not good at time complexity, but I believe C is correct

Well, idk

Unrelated String

since there's no formal notion of "scale" beyond what asymptotic complexity and direct profiling can really tell us

you're probably supposed to select c even though it's not strictly true

i guess it depends on how well you know your professor :/

are they a dick, are they imprecise, are they an imprecise dick, etc.

Number Basher

imprecise i guess

emanresu A

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A: The Programming Language Quiz, Mark II - Cops

???, 6 bytes `|\X]- I seriously doubt this is gonna get cracked.

This was fun to make

Steffan

i just saw that

Unrelated String

3:35 AM

so yeah i'd vote c

if they're an excessively precise dick i'd vote a but c is far more likely it

Steffan

@emanresuA well, let's open up tio and try every language leaves

Number Basher

she once said that a graph is traceable with a pencil without lifting it off your paper iff (if and only if) it has 0 or 2 "odd nodes" but that's not strictly true

emanresu A

@emanresuA put a 50 rep bounty on this

Unrelated String

since O(n) would be better stated as "proportional to at most n", and meanwhile "the scale of the problem" would be exactly what someone would put if they inferred something from context but have no idea what it actually means

Number Basher

aye, the ] isn't paired, guess it must mean skip

@UnrelatedString i would say a wouldn't be incorrect but woulodn't be correct either

Unrelated String

3:39 AM

yeah

Steffan

@emanresuA I really hope it's not some weird lang you found on esolangs.org

emanresu A

@Steffan Good luck with that, it's not on TIO

@Steffan Nah, it's been used on this site checks 9 times before (all by its creator)

Unrelated String

hype

Steffan

Oh opens up ATO

emanresu A

I should probably edit in those hints

Unrelated String

3:40 AM

literally the second thing i searched has 9 results

time to try it lmao

Number Basher

> `|\X]-

i guess the language wraps around, the ` declares the start of the program, the |\ probably makes 100, X checks if it is 100 else skip, - makes it add, and ] terminates the program?

Even if All is correct I don't know much esolangs

Unrelated String

oh wait no some of the results are from different people and like half are on a related challenge and not in the language

emanresu A

Oof

Steffan

alright opens up esolangs.org

emanresu A

That's searching in the biggest haystack of all time

Unrelated String

3:42 AM

^

Steffan

Now it's time to write a script to loop through the esolangs list, search on CGCC, and filter for ones that result in 9 times

Number Basher

possible results:

Halticopter
3 KB (555 words) - 07:03, 25 August 2020
TISC
2 KB (296 words) - 14:34, 25 December 2019
Talk:Nors
529 bytes (88 words) - 20:00, 15 February 2017
Jumpmin
4 KB (534 words) - 13:06, 20 June 2020
Finite looping automaton
1 KB (203 words) - 19:59, 4 July 2020
PointerTape
2 KB (261 words) - 18:58, 26 July 2010
Talk:Deadfish 2
1 KB (197 words) - 05:55, 19 August 2016
Backwords
6 KB (1,000 words) - 21:28, 3 May 2021
Whopper
1 KB (191 words) - 21:38, 21 December 2021
Re:direction
10 KB (1,020 words) - 04:22, 12 July 2020

...

eish

Steffan

@Steffan and isn't on TIO

Number Basher

I think "A username" made this language himself/herself

hahaha

emanresu A

Nope

Number Basher

3:45 AM

is it on esolang...

pretty sure is

Steffan

Oh now lyxal posted one too

Number Basher

a what?

lyxal

1

A: The Programming Language Quiz, Mark II - Cops

???, 35 bytes /( * _ __ ____| _:. _\ /+ , It'll be interesting to see if y'all get this one.

Number Basher

hmm

I would bet a 2d language which everyone knows

Steffan

@lyxal That's Keg

Try it online!

lyxal

3:48 AM

well post an answer then lol

Unrelated String

lol

emanresu A

@Steffan Wow

Steffan

I don't know, I just thought, well, it's lyxal

Unrelated String

meanwhile keg was the first thing i tried for emanresu's cop but it didn't occur to me for lyxal's

Steffan

lol

emanresu A

3:51 AM

@emanresuA I've never used this language before, and sadly I can't use it for a week

Unrelated String

whoa

Number Basher

let me make y own too

emanresu A

@UnrelatedString What was the second?

Unrelated String

after you mentioned 9 results + no tio i tried apol then makina

even though it doesn't look anything like either of those

emanresu A

Apparently makina's like bitcycle and I kinda want to try it sometime

Number Basher

4:02 AM

0

A: The Programming Language Quiz, Mark II - Cops

???, I don't care how many bytes d#a#m#n#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#+-+#...

Aiden Chow

@NumberBasher probably this is im being completely honest: esolangs.org/wiki/BrainFuck%2B%2B

i havent ran it yet cuz idk where the interpreter is

nvm found it

emanresu A

Don't forget to pip install colorama

Aiden Chow

bruh whats colorama

emanresu A

idk but it's used in the file

presumably some terminal colouring thing

Aiden Chow

ok im gonna post my own, probably gonna get cracked hella easily but whatever

(its not gonna be desmos tho :p)

emanresu A

4:15 AM

Someone did desmos, and it took me two months to figure that out

They didn't mark it as safe tho

Aiden Chow

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A: The Programming Language Quiz, Mark II - Cops

???, 28 bytes Take(Sequence(-100,100),102) This has a high chance of working in multiple languages but whatever.

emanresu A

geogebra

Aiden Chow

lmao

too obvious i suppose

lyxal

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A: The Programming Language Quiz, Mark II - Cops

???, 307 bytes +- 2 3 4 5 6 7 @2@ @1@ @9=| 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 |89| )88) 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 9...

if you thought the last one was easy, try getting this one

Unrelated String

reminds me of pxeger's jelly one lmao

lyxal

4:21 AM

is it on TIO? yes.

is the latest version on TIO? no

emanresu A

Is it on esolangs?

lyxal

it's on esolangs

emanresu A

@lyxal Does this run on the TIO version?

lyxal

no

emanresu A

frick

Alright... I'm looking for (probably) stack-based, implemented and (probably) turing-incomplete.

lyxal

4:22 AM

wait frick I just remembered it isn't on esolangs

no no it is on esolangs

Unrelated String

nice

emanresu A

Interesting

caird coinheringaahing

I was wondering why I kept getting notifications for that challenge

emanresu A

4:39 AM

@lyxal Time to look through everything you / third-party-chef or whatever other usernames have ever interacted with

Also time to look through all the pull messages in TIO

lyxal

glhf

we did a lot back in the day

emanresu A

Waiiit.... this is starting to feel like a SBCS

lyxal

we did do a bit of that

emanresu A

esolangs.org/wiki/User_talk:A

Hmm

Number Basher

@AidenChow yep...

lyxal

4:45 AM

@emanresuA If I had a [kromer] for each draft esolang spec that's been on that page I'd be [very rich]

Number Basher

tho technically it is BrainFuck+

> The correct name is BrainFuck+.

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

code-golf The Zany Car Game is a tile matching game. You are given a number of tiles, with coloured cars split into a top and bottom half. To win the game, you need to find a square arrangement of the tiles so that only whole, correctly coloured cars are formed at each tile join , like the image ...

emanresu A

Maybe something?

lyxal

fun trivia: the reason why A doesn't have an about page and just a talk page is because they were suspended from esolangs for 7 days once because of the page content

emanresu A

Found that too

Aiden Chow

4:51 AM

who is A

lyxal

a user who I developed many esolangs with

they haven't been active for a long time

they had many usernames too

Feb 28, 2021 at 2:13, by Lyxal

User:A, A__, btup, a'_', petStorm, ThirdParty'Chef', 2x-1, A̲̲ and Λ̸̸ are the ones I remember.

emanresu A

This looks plauusible but it's not on TIO

Number Basher

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A: The Programming Language Quiz, Mark II - Cops

??? though I think this is easy, 9 bytes [1...100]

emanresu A

Wtf

@NumberBasher Desmos

Number Basher

yeah

This is a no-brainer

emanresu A

4:54 AM

Many other langs would work, desmos is the first that came to mind

Aiden Chow

lol yeah instantly recognizable as desmos

lyxal

@emanresuA that's from the esolangs discord server

emanresu A

@lyxal Btup on github as I just discovered

lyxal

at one time, yes

Number Basher

@emanresuA yah i mean it's the lang of the month

ATaco

4:57 AM

@emanresuA I love how quickly this goes from Brainfuck to Matrix Transformations

emanresu A

I just realised - it's almost certainly not implemented by them

Because they constantly delete their github accounts

Unrelated String

oh yeah

emanresu A

It better not be on lyxal's gitdab

lyxal

oh lol it 500'd

gg gitdab

emanresu A

I saw lol

lyxal

5:02 AM

it's not on gitdab

I only cloned vyxal there to see what would happen

Number Basher

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A: The Programming Language Quiz, Mark II - Cops

???, 800 bytes I am asking. He is awake. I said, she is out there, Oh do! Oh do! Oh do! Oh do! Oh do! Oh do! Oh do! Oh do! Oh do! Oh do! Oh do! Oh do! Oh do! Oh do! Oh do! Oh do! Oh do! Oh do! Oh do! Oh do! Oh do! Oh do! Oh do! Oh do! Oh do! Oh do! Oh do! Oh do! Oh do! Oh do! Oh do! Oh do! O...

lyxal

Rip caird's inbox btw

Aiden Chow

oh lol he posted this q

emanresu A

5:20 AM

In theory I've narrowed it down to 53 langs

lyxal

what tf kinda drugs has Windows been taking lately

first the weather now the file extension list

Aiden Chow

@emanresuA for which one ?

emanresu A

Lyxal's

Aiden Chow

and how da hell u narrowing it down, dont u have to download interpreter and test each lang ?

emanresu A

A few guesses

And filtering TIO's language list

Number Basher

5:23 AM

@lyxal that's chinese

lyxal

what does it say?

emanresu A

My list:

2sable
Aceto
Actually
Add++
Bitwise
Brachylog
Brain-Flak (BrainHack)
Canvas
Charcoal
Convex
Cubically
Dirty
Dreaderef
DStack
Explode
Fission 2
Flipbit
Forked
Gaia
GS2
Hyper-Dimensional Brainfuck
Husk
Japt
Jelly
krrp
M
MarioLANG
MathGolf
Oasis
Ohm v2
05AB1E
Paradoc
Pyt
Pyth
QuadR
ROOP
shortC
Silberjoder
Implicit
Snails
Stax
Stencil
Triangular
Underload
V (vim)
Wierd (John's)

Number Basher

(technically traditional chinese that's a little bit more complicated than chinese

@lyxal JPEG file exchange format I don't need to translate the thing after that

and

i can't really read the PNG one because one it isn't clear (the font) and two I don't really know traditional chinese

lyxal

interesting

Number Basher

but it seems like it's the same thing like after PNG it just says the Chinese for PNG

lyxal

5:25 AM

I wonder why microsoft placed those there

Number Basher

i think nothing useful but

@lyxal hmm, maybe they think you are Chinese ;-)

lyxal

I don't know what they think I am

Number Basher

idk either

i'm 7 to 500!!!

yippee

lyxal

and it only happens in the Office suite

doesn't happen in Paint

Number Basher

strange

caird coinheringaahing

5:35 AM

@lyxal Thankfully, y'all have been posting during my "Do Not Disturb" hours, so my phone isn't buzzing every 15 mins

And I mostly ignore answers to the challenge when I see them in my SE inbox :P

emanresu A

... even though it's 5am

goto sleep

caird coinheringaahing

It's 6:30

And I was asleep, but then I woke yp

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing hopefully WheatWizard did the same last year during our little X without X shenanigans

emanresu A

I'm wondering if it's W, but I can't find a page for it anywhere

Ooh

Maybe

Yeah nah probably

Number Basher

5:55 AM

Just finished "Coyote Sunrise", very touching, recommend

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