The Nineteenth Byte

Romanp

20:05

the AI just created something saying that the DOD called for a jihad against Mathematica and that a war started between the two. Confusing, especially since it ended with something about the US declaring war on the cute fluffy bunnies.

Ginger

what

allxy

@lyxal My science teacher's iphone is "FBI surveillance van 4"

Unrelated String

the bit on the sidebar that shows you what's going on in rooms you're in other than the one you're looking at clipped that to "the AI just created something saying that the DOD called for a jihad again"

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allxy

@RadvylfPrograms Same lol

Unrelated String

i'm weirdly bad at doing rot13 in my head

forest

20:18

I don't think anyone is good at that.

Mayube

@UnrelatedString so am I, doesn't stop my brain from trying

forest

I'm quite good at rot26, though.

Unrelated String

whoooooa

Romanp

ehem, I prefer rot52 /s

Unrelated String

that's twice the rot

absolutely incredible

Romanp

20:19

twice the rot, half the teeth!

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Mayube

I'm much better at decoding rot13 than I am at encoding, probably because I expect to understand the output when decoding, which helps with like error correction

des54321

@Romanp im especially good at rot104 :P

Romanp

The more rot, the better!

Radvylf Programs

rot6.1561196e+36

Mayube

rot26000

@RadvylfPrograms too much rot, go back

Radvylf Programs

20:20

rot-26

forest

I can beat all y'all. rot(26*TREE(3)).

Romanp

rot26000 sounds like a really bad package made by someone with no idea what they were doing

Ginger

rot(3↑↑↑↑3)

des54321

@forest i think you mean rot(26*TREE(3))

forest

Yes

des54321

20:22

rot(26*loaders number)

forest

But rot(26*Rayo(10^100)) is better still. :^)

Because who needs computability?

Unrelated String

can't break the cipher if you can't compute it

flawless security

Ginger

powerpoint be like

forest

That 26* makes it a little easy.

Ginger

rot(3↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑3)

Unrelated String

20:23

just maybe

Radvylf Programs

TREE is a fast-growing function right?

forest

To put it mildly, yes.

Ginger

yes

Radvylf Programs

TREE(TREE(TREE(Rayo(100))))

forest

@RadvylfPrograms Rayo(TREE(TREE(TREE(3))) would be even better.

Ginger

20:24

TREE(TREE(TREE(Rayo(100))))↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑3

Romanp

I prefer rot-Cos[1/2 (125/12167 + (2475 \[Pi])/10051 + (16335 \[Pi]^2)/8303 + (
35937 \[Pi]^3)/6859 - (5/23 + (33 \[Pi])/19)^3) Sinh[1]] (26 +
23/32 (1/121 - (-(1/11) - (10 \[Pi])/47)^2 + (20 \[Pi])/517 + (
100 \[Pi]^2)/2209) Cosh[\[Pi]]^4)

forest

Always put the fastest growing function at the front.

@Romanp So what exactly is a fraction of a character rotation?

Radvylf Programs

@forest Well at that point just replace all the TREEs with Rayos :p

Ginger

Rayo(TREE(TREE(TREE(TREE(TREE(TREE(Rayo(100))))↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑3)))

I can do this for as long as needed

Romanp

I don't know. Mine evaluates to 26, but I would assume you multiply until you get a unicode character which is valid?

but irrationals then would have no value

forest

20:26

@Ginger Not as impressive without recursion.

Also

I screwed up. It's Rayo(10^100), not Rayo(100), which would be rather smaller.

But I can now edit my old posts. :P

Ginger

looking through the transcript and found this:

des54321

i feel like theres a very relevant xkcd for this nonsense we're doing right now

Romanp

there always is.

forest

I've noticed in my short time in this channel that nonsense describes almost every interaction in here.

des54321

It means shuffling quickly past nuns on the street with ketchup in your palms, pretending you're hiding stigmata.

third panel

Ginger

20:29

There are 5 mods in this room

Radvylf Programs

@forest We're in one of our less-on-topic phases right now

Ginger

@forest pretty much

there are plenty of on-topic discussions ofc

forest

@Ginger Yeah well don't count me. I only signed up to moderate Crypto.SE, not chat. :P

Radvylf Programs

CGCC has been a bit low in activity recently so on-topic discussion hasn't happened much at all

Ginger

but we like to have fun every once in a while here at Pode Polf Cack Gxchange

Radvylf Programs

20:29

Plus a lot of the more uh...mature users (no offense to y'all) aren't active right now

Ginger

:>(

forest

That is something I noticed as well. :P

Ginger

...whoops

I do not like that emoticon

Radvylf Programs

We need a The Nineteenth Byte's Silliness room

Actually, that could be a good idea

Ginger

reddit.com/r/tnbquotes

Romanp

20:31

but then it's not in the main channel, preserved for posterity forever

Radvylf Programs

@Ginger No, a room we can move especially off-topic stuff to

Ginger

hm

Radvylf Programs

Sort of like The Tarpit's Silliness

Ginger

call it the Byteenth Night

Radvylf Programs

That way TNB keeps a better signal-to-noise ratio and the clutter and starboard spam isn't as offputting to people who actually want to discuss CGCC

I'm proposing this on meta brb

Ginger

20:32

well, if you see any I'd love to talk to them

contrary to appearances I do want to do code golf

there just hasn't been too much discussion of it here

Radvylf Programs

Because we have been a bit off topic recently, and while people are having fun I don't like how legitimate discussion of our site has been buried

Mayube

@Ginger I approve of this name, and will only be joining the room between the hours of 1am and 6am

Ginger

@RadvylfPrograms hate for the name to be a misnomer

as such I shall now discuss code golf

Romanp

Yeah, in reality, having a channel either for migrating stuff afterwards or just for a change of location could be helpful.

Mayube

prfr txt glf, n vwls mns shrtr wrds. glfy

Romanp

20:35

n ned 2 typ s mch f yu glf it al

Ginger

CMC: Given an input string, output a truthy/falsy value depending on whether or not it follows xkcd.com/1045 (the first letters of every word are in reverse alphabetical order)

lemme make a Python solution

Romanp

LexicographicSort@StringSplit@#==Reverse@StringSplit@#&

Long but works (mathematica). Although it is case-sensitive, so IDK if that qualifies.

Unrelated String

@RadvylfPrograms could also make every answer cw language showcase style

Romanp

Block[{b = First[Characters /@ StringSplit@#]},
LexicographicSort[b] == Reverse@b] &
Longer but if something like "AA AB" is acceptable within the terms, this fixes.

Radvylf Programs

Yeah, but that doesn't reward people who spend hours and hours designing and implementing a language

Ginger

20:42

see? I am doing golf of code

DLosc

@RadvylfPrograms Okay I'm back ;)

hyper-neutrino

maturity? in this chat room? pfft. but yeah I'd be in favor of a secondary chat room, will have to wait and see how it goes by meta vote

forest

Maturity is overrated anyway. I'm an adult but I never grew up.

DLosc

@UnrelatedString I pretty much lost interest in the language showcase when it became CW. Not because I only wanted to get more rep, but because 1) the question was predicated on a correlation between upvotes and permission to post more, and CW'ing destroyed that correlation, and 2) the little green +10 notification is pretty satisfying to see. It's affirmation in abstracted internet-points form.

Ginger

Python 3, 116 bytes: lambda i:all([x>=y for x,y in zip(*[iter([string.ascii_lowercase.index(x)for x in[h[0]for h in i.split(" ")]])]*2)])

@RadvylfPrograms see? code golf!

New Posts

20:51

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Q: Should we make a room for TNB's off-topic discussions?

The Nineteenth Byte, CGCC's main chat room, is no stranger to silliness. However, especially recently, I've felt there's been a much larger volume of off-topic conversations. In order to prevent discussion of the site being buried, I propose that we create a second room, for TNB's silliness or ot...

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Radvylf Programs

Phew, you scared me for a sec NP

That took longer than usual, almost 1.5s!

Ginger

np is showing signs of its age

it's almost a year old!

Radvylf Programs

Ooh it's almost its cake day!

Ginger

we should hold a birthday party for NP/NSP when they turn 1

Romanp

11 days!

Ginger

20:54

perhaps we shouldn't be discussing this party in their sight

Radvylf Programs

I was about to kick-mute NP but then I realized it wouldn't show up for y'all lol

Romanp

we do need a code-golf themed off of New Posts.

Ginger

don't do that :(

anyway

I have the perfect present planned

Romanp

Maybe shortest program to fetch a new post when it's posted?

prefectures are amazing

Radvylf Programs

How about a kolmo for its pfp

Ginger

20:56

ooh good idea

I want some rep so I'll make it

Radvylf Programs

And maybe we could make it so you take a bool as input, for whether to print NP's or SP's

Ginger

good idea

@RadvylfPrograms what size should the output be?

I've never really made a challenge like this before

Mayube

@Ginger are you going graphical or ascii art?

Ginger

graphical

Mayube

I would say replicating this 32x32 icon would be fine

alternatively, the original is 128x128

Sandbox Posts

21:07

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Draw New Posts' Profile! kolmogorov-complexity Note: this question will be posted on NP's cake day. New Posts and New Sandbox Posts are chatbots that occupy CGSE's main chatroom, The Nineteenth Byte. They've been doing their jobs for almost one full year now, so I thought I'd make a challenge to ...

Mayube

TIL about Planck's Principle which basically sums up how I feel about generational politics

Ginger

21:22

@DLosc why 48x48?

DLosc

@Ginger Did you try downloading the images and opening them in an image editor? At 32x32, they're blurry (not two-color). (The blue image isn't two-color even at 48x48, but it's closer.)

Ginger

oh, sorry

did not know that

DLosc

There's also a small bump along the bottom right edge that is clearly one pixel at 48x48, which is strong evidence that that's the correct size.

Ginger

changed to 48x48

DLosc

Much better. The blue image still has multiple shades of blue pixels, tho.

Ginger

21:28

I put the shades to use in the challenge itself

DLosc

Sure, but you also say "Here are the images you need to output." So the images you link should match the description of the images we need to output.

Ginger

bluh

*opens Piskel*

allxy

Imagine not having Piskel as an app

(Or do you?)

DLosc

@allxy MS Paint, baby

Ginger

ok, fixed it

Radvylf Programs

21:37

@DLosc 48x48 is the original size yeah

DLosc

@Ginger 👍

Ginger

posted a link to campfire in the comments of another broken chat application, let's see what happens

user

@RadvylfPrograms I hadn't seen this before, but I'm pretty sure mathcat did that by themselves, not as some sort of "official" move by "Vyxal Corp"

Radvylf Programs

Yeah, I figured it was just one of y'all (didn't know who though)

user

I personally don't think Vyxal has a superiority complex problem. Admittedly, Lyxal is very proud of it, but that's pretty understandable

The rest of us don't view Vyxal as the best golflang ever (and I really doubt Lyxal does either)

Radvylf Programs

21:52

yeah, probably bad wording on my part

user

No it's fine, at some points some of the Vyxal people got a bit ambitious

Lyxal even made a team in the Github org at one point to advertise Vyxal or something at one point but obviously nothing came of it

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@DLosc ...and come to think of it that probably goes for a lot of people since it's been pretty dead lately

Newly Featured Posts

23:00

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Q: King of the Ziggurat

Background You awake on the ground. Above you is a giant stepped pyramid-like structure. Based on your ancient history lessons, you recognize it as a ziggurat. You have been transported by Dr. Sargostein back into ancient Mesopotamia to play a game. In this King of the Hill Ziggurat challenge, yo...

king-of-the-hill

allxy

\o/ finally beat the wither

only took twenty iron golems

Radvylf Programs

Nice!

allxy

I pretty much did negative damage to it lol - I hit it twice and got killed by wither at least three times

Radvylf Programs

I tried to do a wither fight once, figured I'd do it in the nether to it blowing up stuff I like, and then it blew a hole in the floor and I fell into a pool of lava

allxy

Oof

Radvylf Programs

23:04

Iron golems actually sounds like a great strat

allxy

Hard mode is hard, and the Bedrock wither is even harder :|

Radvylf Programs

Do you have an iron farm?

allxy

Yep

Bedrock iron farms are also a pain

des54321

man why am I so bad at trig now I used to be good at this

allxy

It carved out this huge cavern

Radvylf Programs

23:05

I've heard that, yeah

My friend ended up making a zombie iron farm lol

Since I guess prior to 1.14 bedrock iron golem farms were practically useless

allxy

@des54321 Remember, COH-SAH-TAO

des54321

working on a python solution to Translate Text into Matoran, and the number part basically needs trig

allxy

There's no scare mechanic in bedrock, so you have to construct an artificial village

Radvylf Programs

Secant is the reciprocal of sine

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des54321

hold on do python math.sin() and math.cos() use radians??

Unrelated String

23:07

...yes?

des54321

great

Unrelated String

why would they use degrees

Radvylf Programs

Degrees (and especially...shudders...gradians) are evil

des54321

i could have sworn i used them before and they were degrees

allxy

IIRC radvylf made a language with a builtin where if n < pi, radians to degrees, else degrees to radians

Radvylf Programs

23:09

It's a perfect solution

allxy

Except for literally anything

des54321

well my solution is actually working now, except for a question on whether i need to handle spaces

Radvylf Programs

Look, it works for all of the following values:

0r -> 0°
pi/2r -> 90°
pi r -> 180°
3pi/2 -> 270°
0° -> 0r
90° -> pi/2r
180° -> pi r
270° -> 3pi/2r

That's 8 test cases, so using some statistics, there's an approximately 90% chance it'll work for any others!

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allxy

github.com/Vyxal/Vyxal/pull/872

Seggan

shh

allxy

23:13

C'mon, it's hilarious

So TIL you can afk minecraft through screen time limits

Radvylf Programs

I am in Minecraft :o

allxy

@allxy That's how I got the twelve stacks of iron for the wither fight, and the rest

My beacon's half-emerald and half-iron

Unrelated String

@allxy did you afk iron golem farm to get iron to build iron golems

allxy

Yep lol

Unrelated String

i wonder if there's any way to design an iron golem farm that just takes them out of village limits instead of killing them to just build an army faster

Radvylf Programs

23:22

I get playable FPS with some slight bugs

Around 30, which isn't bad. The cursor doesn't get captured, though

allxy

@UnrelatedString There's nether portal designs but those are complex

Unrelated String

makes sense

allxy

My iron farm's only at half efficiency because I couldn't bring myself to breed more villagers

o/

Unrelated String

i barely play minecraft at this point but one of my enduring interests when i do play is has always been building aesthetically novel villages

des54321

that KOTH challenge thats up right now does seem interesting, I might try a solution to it tomorrow

des54321

23:43

I feel like theres gotta be some way to compress this stupid-long dict I'm using in this program, like with some eval() BS or something

Seggan

@des54321 you might want to hurry, first bounty has been claimed ;)

Radvylf Programs

Well my sister stole and threw away my dry erase marker and eraser

So pog

des54321

@Seggan I'm pretty sure I'm bad at Java, but opening your base code for the bot wrapper in IntelliJ has led me down a rabbithole of package errors

Seggan

did you do a maven load

des54321

okay I dont have the JSON library youre using, thats at least one problem

I cloned the github and then opened it as a project in IntelliJ

Seggan

23:56

mhm do a maven reload and you should get the lib auto downloaded

des54321

sorry bad at java, how do I do that?

Seggan

nvm im using gradle, not maven

des54321

also in the Main class, your big MAP string has a Text block literals are not supported at language level '8', whatever that means

Seggan

yeah, use java 16

des54321

got it

Seggan

23:58

or 17 works too

thats the gradle reload button ^^

(grayed out on mine due to intellij loading my project)

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