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Unrelated String
Unrelated String
00:01
feels like it ought to be a bit older than that
unless you mean like modern doge
in which case yeah 2014 seems real damn early
lyxal
lyxal
00:12
Doge is 2012 iirc
Unrelated String
Unrelated String
yeah that sounds about right
lyxal
lyxal
2013 according to Wikipedia
Which means that the funny doge I posted on r/dankmemes one April fools where they only allowed 2012 memes was technically illegal
Unrelated String
Unrelated String
what's confusing user is probably that 2013 is much doge many wow
and it's more like 2019 that that cheating bitch karen took the feet pics
lyxal
lyxal
> took the feet pics
I'm sorry what.
Tf kinda meme subreddits are you looking at?
allxy
allxy
00:42
So TIL websockets are kinda cursed
Bubbler
Bubbler
how?
allxy
allxy
Or more specifically, the ws module
When a string is sent from the frontend, ws decodes that as a Buffer on the node.js end, and when that's sent back it becomes a Blob on the frontend ಠ_ಠ
allxy
allxy
00:56
user image
https://i.sstatic.net/SHklK.png
Even better lol
user
user
01:22
@UnrelatedString wait which doge is this
@UnrelatedString many wow is the doge i have seen
Did not realize that was a single message
lyxal
lyxal
Nov 17, 2021 at 0:19, by lyxal
@UnrelatedString what tf is wrong with your newlines?
Nov 17, 2021 at 0:21, by Unrelated String
the newlines represent emphatic pauses
@user it's a rookie mistake to make
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Unrelated String
Unrelated String
think it's like
dogelore or something
user
user
Is this something i should check out for memes or stay well away from?
@lyxal i even asked unrelated about this on e iirc, how did i forget their unique way of sending messages?
Unrelated String
Unrelated String
01:41
@user honestly no idea, haven't really been there myself
des54321
des54321
@allxy that should be illegal
Bubbler
Bubbler
02:09
Random rant of the day: deploy is very annoying to type
allxy
allxy
Agreed
de is fine, but plo requires I type the o and l both with my ring finger
Unrelated String
Unrelated String
02:35
trying it out myself reminds me i really need to relearn actual typing skills
i actually have learned proper home row based typing for russian since my keycaps don't exactly match the layout and it's still slower than my english typing since i don't do all that much russian but it feels good to not just have my hands flying everywhere
Radvylf Programs
Radvylf Programs
02:46
@allxy Has to do with invalid UTF-8 IIRC
My hands don't even really fly everywhere when I type, I know the locations of the keys so well my hands just...optimize and barely even move
allxy
allxy
03:03
Qwordle 100 4/6

🟨🟩⬜🟨⬜
⬜🟩🟨🟨🟨
⬜🟩🟩🟩🟨
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
That was an unusual one
@RadvylfPrograms :|
Jo King
Jo King
03:15
@RadvylfPrograms rather than learn touch typing for QWERTY i decided to learn Colemak, and it's very satisfying to type so much without having to leave the home row most of the time
Sandbox Posts
Sandbox Posts
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Matthew JensenTranslate Text into Matoran The Matoran Alphabet is the alphabet used by many of the characters in the Bionicle universe. Your challenge is to create a program or function that takes a string as input and creates an image of the input written in the Matoran alphabet. The input will only consist ...

PyGamer0
PyGamer0
@JoKing you are a colemak user?
@Bubbler its just 6 characters
Jo King
Jo King
04:02
@PyGamer0 um yes, i just said that
PyGamer0
PyGamer0
04:13
today last exam: chemistry
allxy
allxy
05:10
Got back from end busting in minecraft and now I have a lot of sorting to do
graffe
graffe
06:02
@des54321 any luck?
graffe
graffe
06:16
CMQ if you have an image with some noisy rectangles in it, how would you find where they are?
PyGamer0
PyGamer0
define noisy
Aiden Chow
Aiden Chow
@graffe example image? is it only shades of gray, or any color?
Aiden Chow
Aiden Chow
06:36
for nominations for lotm, can i nominate langs which im not really familiar with but i think would be interesting to learn and use, or do i have to know how to use that lang before nominating it
Unrelated String
Unrelated String
i think that's sort of what happened with piet
Aiden Chow
Aiden Chow
@UnrelatedString im talking about lotm, not lyal. ik u can do that for lyal, not too sure for lotm tho
Unrelated String
Unrelated String
oh yeah hmm
yeah it should be even more fine for lotm
Aiden Chow
Aiden Chow
hmm ok
graffe
graffe
@AidenChow just black and white
@PyGamer0 imagine a rectangle with half the pixels set to black and half to white set randomly
graffe
graffe
07:20
@AidenChow I will make an example image in an hour or so.
 
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graffe
graffe
09:00
(maybe a few hours :) )
PyGamer0
PyGamer0
when you still havent learnt makefiles properly
pxeger
pxeger
make is kinda stupid tbh
PyGamer0
PyGamer0
@pxeger why?
pxeger
pxeger
the shellscript you just wrote does the job already
PyGamer0
PyGamer0
well it will recompile everything, for larger projects its definitely an issue
pxeger
pxeger
09:07
I don't think any of make's features are so compelling that it's worth learning make instead of just reimplementing them in shell script
@PyGamer0 that can be fixed pretty simply though
PyGamer0
PyGamer0
@pxeger how can i "compile only if updated"
pxeger
pxeger
just compare the file modification timestamps of the source files and result files
PyGamer0
PyGamer0
how do i get that timestamp
pxeger
pxeger
you can use [[ file1 -nt file2 ]]
which will succeed iff file1 is newer than file2
PyGamer0
PyGamer0
in sh?
pxeger
pxeger
09:11
yes
allxy
allxy
I kinda wish I was better at shell script
pxeger
pxeger
@allxy I can teach you :)
PyGamer0
PyGamer0
@pxeger ok cool
allxy
allxy
@pxeger Thanks for the offer, but I'm fiddling with canvas
pxeger
pxeger
Ok lol
allxy
allxy
09:14
Speaking of which, would you mind checking canvas-1209.surge.sh on your phone again?
In theory, everything should work...
PyGamer0
PyGamer0
i can paint stuff and download stuff
pxeger
pxeger
@allxy yep
allxy
allxy
Any scroll? How's placing pixels?
pxeger
pxeger
except there's still a little bit of horizontal scrolling, but I'm guessing that's not worth fixing
@allxy placing is perfect, they don't get placed while zooming either
the only thing I'd say is I'd like to be able to see the countdown timer when I'm zoomed in
allxy
allxy
That's good. I'm going to add an actual zoom system in soon
The one I've found is kinda archaic but should work
graffe
graffe
09:17
github....argh!
allxy
allxy
@allxy So, zooming in will zoom in on the canvas and leave the rest alone
PyGamer0
PyGamer0
09:45
@JoKing so instead of wasd you use wars lol
Jo King
Jo King
09:56
frst actually, i shift it to the right by one
pxeger
pxeger
10:11
Opinions on my notes site? amd2.pxeger.net:8000/edit
allxy
allxy
Why does stuff reload whenever I do anything?
pxeger
pxeger
Probably the websocket disconnecting?
allxy
allxy
Never mind, just reloads when I hit enter
pxeger
pxeger
Oh. I'll fix that
allxy
allxy
Rickroll successfull.
pxeger
pxeger
10:18
Hmm, newly inserted nodes don't respond to any changes until you reload
allxy
allxy
You probably shouldn't make this global
pxeger
pxeger
what do you mean by global?
allxy
allxy
Everyone can edit a single copy of it afaict
pxeger
pxeger
Oh yes, it won't be hard to make separate documents
Jo King
Jo King
r/place but text
pxeger
pxeger
10:21
but for my use it probably won't be public anyway
@JoKing that wasn't the intention, but it could be made into that I guess lol
allxy
allxy
Feature request: Arrow keys / enter
/ backspace
Wait it's on pxeger.net? You own that as well?
pxeger
pxeger
yes
amd2.pxeger.net is just a server I own
allxy
allxy
Guys, they're growing. There's a whole network of pxegers out there. We need to stop them.
pxeger
pxeger
I couldn't be bothered to set up a proper service domain for it, so it's running straight of the server domain
@allxy I have much more infrastructure than you probably realise
allxy
allxy
Oh. Ohhh....
pxeger
pxeger
10:33
I have a repository of Terraform code which defines it all
allxy
allxy
We thought Radvylf owned the hivemind, but maybe we were wrong...
pxeger
pxeger
btw, please hard-reload to make sure you've got the fix I pushed a minute ago
PyGamer0
PyGamer0
@pxeger ctrl-f5 right?
pxeger
pxeger
probably
I use Ctrl+Shift+R
allxy
allxy
What is this:
user image
Specifically those buttons
pxeger
pxeger
10:36
if the websocket disconnects, it falls back to plain HTTP forms
those buttons submit the forms
the arrows should pretty much do what you expect, I think? (up and down move the nodes, and the curvy arrow reparents)
although I'm not sure why the last one only has one button
PyGamer0
PyGamer0
it updates live?
cool
@pxeger git still doesnt remember my credentials :/
allxy
allxy
Seems a little sussy to me
o/
PyGamer0
PyGamer0
o/
PyGamer0
PyGamer0
11:04
@pxeger i am slowly making my build into a make like thing
so far it works properly
PyGamer0
PyGamer0
11:16
HOLY
it works
@pxeger this now checks the timestamp of the files
could probably be improved
but very cool
Ginger
Ginger
cnarett
I now have the Ukraine PFP again
speaking of pfps, why does caird still have a Santa hat?
PyGamer0
PyGamer0
its still christmas for him i guess
mathcat
mathcat
#Worldle #80 3/6 (100%)
🟩🟩🟨⬛⬛⬅️
🟩🟩🟩🟨⬛↙️
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩🎉
https://worldle.teuteuf.fr
I AM GEOGOD
Ginger
Ginger
now, time to get bakina to makina
PyGamer0
PyGamer0
@Ginger i read bakina as :%s/a/i what the frick
i should go to an eye doctor
lyxal
lyxal
11:53
I have discovered the power of OTG connections for Android, and can I just say wow! Using a real keyboard + phone is cool as anything
Now to figure out how to use autocomplete with this thing
Found it!
Ctrl + 1/2/3
Ginger
Ginger
12:08
is cool
3d print failed again :/
I log in to CGSE and the first thing I see is "Fifty Shades of Gray"
graffe
graffe
user image
how can I find those three rectangles?
Ginger
Ginger
by looking at them /s
graffe
graffe
@Ginger excellent answer number 1 :)
bpa.st/5XBQ
that's the data
Ginger
Ginger
Keep in mind I have no qualifications, but I'd look at each coordinate and count how many others are near it, or smth like that
pxeger
pxeger
@PyGamer0 the condition on line 10 is redundant, and the one on line 13 could be removed if you just use rm -f $out
PyGamer0
PyGamer0
12:26
@lyxal TYL
@pxeger if i remove that, it stops working?
the line 10 condition
also what is the difference between [ ... ] and [[ ... ]]?
pxeger
pxeger
[ is POSIX standard (also test), and normally just implemented as a system binary (check /bin/[); [[ is an extension which some shells use to provide special syntax
because [[ is a reserved word, so the parser can treat it differently to a normal command
PyGamer0
PyGamer0
oh
pxeger
pxeger
Example: ato.pxeger.com/…
If you change [[ to [ in that, you'll get a syntax error for two reasons
One is that < is treated as a file redirection in normal commands, but is treated as an operator in [[
Ginger
Ginger
where is the FizzBuzz challenge?
I can't seem to find it
pxeger
pxeger
The other is that while has a special shorthand syntax which only works with [[ and not normal commands (otherwise you have to use do done)
PyGamer0
PyGamer0
12:40
oh
@pxeger is [[ zsh only?
pxeger
pxeger
182
Q: 1, 2, Fizz, 4, Buzz

Beta DecayIntroduction In our recent effort to collect catalogues of shortest solutions for standard programming exercises, here is PPCG's first ever vanilla FizzBuzz challenge. If you wish to see other catalogue challenges, there is "Hello World!" and "Is this number a prime?". Challenge Write a progra...

code-golf string kolmogorov-complexity arithmetic fizzbuzz
Ginger
Ginger
thx
pxeger
pxeger
@PyGamer0 it exists in Bash, but with fewer extra features
PyGamer0
PyGamer0
oh
Radvylf Programs
Radvylf Programs
What's up tnbeople
PyGamer0
PyGamer0
12:45
iamprogrammingincplshelp
Radvylf Programs
Radvylf Programs
I programmed in C
o n c e
Actually a couple of times
Neil
Neil
@pxeger so, in shell script, how would you say, "compile a.c if any of a.h, b.h and d.h are updated, but if only c.h is updated, you only need to compile b.c and c.c"
PyGamer0
PyGamer0
@RadvylfPrograms this is like my third or fourth time
and this thing i am working on is big
Radvylf Programs
Radvylf Programs
Hopefully not a golfing language?
PyGamer0
PyGamer0
no not a golfing language don't worry
an array langauge :P
k to be more precise
Ginger
Ginger
12:48
@PyGamer0 *cries in arduino*
PyGamer0
PyGamer0
(this is never going to completed lol)
Radvylf Programs
Radvylf Programs
I was thinking about something this morning. I wonder if there's a formula that would be a good approximation for how well an ordinary stack-based or prefix language does with n operators. Like, a full SBCS with 256 ops will obviously do better than one with 128 ops, but by how much?
Ginger
Ginger
I am makina nother FizzBuzz program in makina
wish me luck
PyGamer0
PyGamer0
luck'd
Radvylf Programs
Radvylf Programs
My guess right now is roughly log_n(ops), for some n
Since I'd predict the 128 new ops you get with 128 vs. 256 are used roughly half (or some other fraction, the reciprocal of which is n) as often as those you'd add to get from 64 to 128
PyGamer0
PyGamer0
12:50
@RadvylfPrograms what is the n?
Radvylf Programs
Radvylf Programs
Not sure, somewhere around 2
So while a 20 bit language with a million operators has thousands of times more than an SBCS lang, I'd predict it would only be about 2-3 times shorter in practice
pxeger
pxeger
@RadvylfPrograms A vaguely Zipfian distribution would make sense
graffe
graffe
CMC find the corners of the rectangles in ibb.co/JC9sf9R . Data at bpa.st/5XBQ
pxeger
pxeger
@PyGamer0 you're using -eq, which is only for numbers. Change it to =
@Neil Something along the lines of ato.pxeger.com/…
user
user
@PyGamer0 Here are two easy steps to programming in C:
1. Step away from computer
2. Run
Ginger
Ginger
13:01
Here it is: the Upgraded FizzBuzz Program 
v >n0; >0;
>>wv Cn0;
>JU>?e 1
^   v>n^Cn0;
^ v<?pv>%
^Uv<>OO^>n0;
vp?Ov>OtFizz;
Jtv^O<<
^>O>OtBuzz;
>>O>v
Jv%vv
^>IOOC
^ C>O>n0;
^>p<?v
^<<<O<
  v<|>v
 v%v!v%v
 v >>OI>n0;
 >>>>>C
   ;0n<
user
user
@Ginger *cries in robotC*
Ginger
Ginger
I'm 100% sure it doesn't work
user
user
Which language is this?
Ginger
Ginger
makina
pxeger
pxeger
github.com/GingerIndustries/makina
Ginger
Ginger
13:03
me: runs program
python: !!!DIVISION BY ZERO!!!
user
user
Floating point numbers go brr
@UnrelatedString Best if you time it to happen on April 1
des54321
des54321
@Ginger well it looks like im not the only person working on golfing a 2d fizzbuzz program right now
if you head over to piet chat you can see my indecipherable piet fizzbuzz
Ginger
Ginger
hmm
pretty pictures vs. ^>JO0JO;J J<
who will win
(yes that is 4 jumps within 11 characters and yes that is a required trailing space)
des54321
des54321
oh dont worry, for golfing reasons my piet is actually going to be turned into ASCII-piet encoding which will make a long string of indecipherable letters as the final solution
Ginger
Ginger
but is it as bad as this times-table program: 
v >n1;  >n0v1nI<
>Iw>>O>>wv ;  C^
>JU>>O>>O>>I>?e
^v<U ^1n< ;9nO<
^nHC<<  vI<<v?Ov >n1;
^0^<v*+vv;vP<>oH>On0;
H;1nOC^O<^JJ0nC>wwv>C
^   S v+t = ;H  U>O+H
;1n< v+I>CJ S v<<<<v>n1;
^ SC<+Itv>n0; J ;1n<
^Uv<< v<>JOJ<O * ;
HC+v^<wn0v>>^<<
^n v  >>>;>v
^>JO0JO;J J<
;1n<
I have gotten it to print Fizz once and then exit
:/
PyGamer0
PyGamer0
13:14
@user worked!
@pxeger ok
also i just realized my build system is shit
it will not detect header file changes
Ginger
Ginger
Super Header Identification Tools?
PyGamer0
PyGamer0
@Ginger yeah
Ginger
Ginger
reminds me of my idea for a Stack exchange cHat Improved TexT rEndereR
PyGamer0
PyGamer0
@RadvylfPrograms also my summer holidays started today
also i think i would be a good idea to write build in zsh
graffe
graffe
I found all the rectangles! :)
I have a perfectly working system now.. sort of
Ginger
Ginger
13:25
nic
e
haha 69 upvotes on Ukrainian flag challenge
graffe
graffe
next problem.. say I want to draw a random straight line but what I really want is the points on that line
and I want the line to be thick
any easy method?
Ginger
Ginger
where are you getting these questions?
graffe
graffe
@Ginger we are an emotional lot :)
@Ginger my head :) It's how I learn to code
just invent things and try to do them
Ginger
Ginger
ah
time to work on RTO KOTH
graffe
graffe
user image
very pleased with that
but I want to make the problem harder by drawing a line across the data set
Radvylf Programs
Radvylf Programs
13:28
@Ginger Oh for a sec I was thinking this was an RTO-based KotH lol
Ginger
Ginger
leeel
anyway
did you read that document I sent ya?
Radvylf Programs
Radvylf Programs
By which medium did you send it to me
Ginger
Ginger
chat
Apr 8 at 12:14, by Ginger
@RadvylfPrograms Here's the Python KOTH specs. It will likely be similar for other languages.
Radvylf Programs
Radvylf Programs
When was this
ah
I don't think isAlive is really necessary personally
Checking if bots are alive and only ticking those seems more like the controller's responsibility
Ginger
Ginger
hm
so do the bots have an isAlive method then?
Radvylf Programs
Radvylf Programs
13:31
Since a lot of KotHs have a concept of "alive", and most don't run all bots at once
Ginger
Ginger
but what if bots can be resurrected?
Radvylf Programs
Radvylf Programs
@Ginger Unless the controller adds one I guess, no
Ginger
Ginger
the whole idea of this system is for it to be as flexible as possible
Radvylf Programs
Radvylf Programs
isAlive reduces flexibility IMO
Just giving a list of all bots every tick is much better option IMO
Ginger
Ginger
yeaaa
Radvylf Programs
Radvylf Programs
13:32
Let the controller keep track of what's alive
Ginger
Ginger
that does make more sense IG
so no isAlive
also: can we please not do multi-lang KOTHs?
Radvylf Programs
Radvylf Programs
I think the KotH stuff should be as bare bones as possible, honestly. Just a function that ticks a bot, no Arena or classes or anything.
Ginger
Ginger
it makes the code 100x simpler
Radvylf Programs
Radvylf Programs
@Ginger That's literally the whole point of RTO's KotH tools
Ginger
Ginger
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
buh
@RadvylfPrograms no, classes are good
they make code simple and intuitive
(and easier to work with)
Radvylf Programs
Radvylf Programs
13:34
I think what you're working on is more of a general KotH library, which isn't really what I'm looking for
@Ginger Not when your code is a single function
Ginger
Ginger
hMmMmM
how about I make both a helper library (which you don't need to use but can) and a KOTH interface
Radvylf Programs
Radvylf Programs
Sounds like a good plan. Here's the functions we'll probably want for the KotH interface:
Ginger
Ginger
how register functions?
call a method from rto.koth I assume
like rto.koth.register(tick, ...)
Radvylf Programs
Radvylf Programs
Not sure how exactly Python imports work, so just however you'd normally do it
Looks like you can just do like import rto_koth; rto_koth.tick(...)
And all you'd need to do in rto_koth is def tick(...):
Ginger
Ginger
yea pretty much
what would an arena look like?
Radvylf Programs
Radvylf Programs
13:38
Whatever the controller needs it to
Ginger
Ginger
the whole reason I made the Arena class was so that the KOTH system knew which methods to call
Radvylf Programs
Radvylf Programs
KotHs vary a lot in what their arena looks like. One bot vs. another in a card game, or a giant square grid with all the bots on it, or a toroidal grid with multiple copies of every bot, etc.
Ginger
Ginger
I need an example arena to work with
Radvylf Programs
Radvylf Programs
I'm confused, what would this arena look like?
Like, a sample controller?
Ginger
Ginger
yes
like the one in my doc
Radvylf Programs
Radvylf Programs
13:40
Oh, okay cool. 
bots = rto_koth.bots_from("https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/217972/bot-factory-koth-2-0")

bot_insts = [rto_koth.start_bot(bot.lang, bot.code) for bot in bots]

for i in range(10):
    action = Null

    for bot of bot_insts:
        action = bot.tick(data)

    do_stuff(action)
Ginger
Ginger
bluh
what does start_bot do
pxeger
pxeger
starts a bot
Ginger
Ginger
which means what?
Radvylf Programs
Radvylf Programs
Well, there's two ways bots typically work in multi-lang koths:
1. They store their own state, in which case they're only started once, and start_bot does this
2. They're run once per tick, in which case start_bot just specifies which language to use
This lets us abstract away which approach the bot is using
Ginger
Ginger
hmMmmMmmM
how does this approach handle bot synchronization?
for multi-lang systems I assume you'd use a locally hosted server or smth
Radvylf Programs
Radvylf Programs
13:46
Bot synchronization?
Ginger
Ginger
wait bad phrasing
how do the languages communicate?
fok
brb
Radvylf Programs
Radvylf Programs
Not sure yet, probably JSON
That can encode all of the information you'd ever really need for communicating with a bot, but it's easy enough to use with most practical languages
My goal is to make it so that the controller can be written basically the same way it would be in a single-language KotH
God I hate things that don't let you control-click them
I decide how I want to click your link google
Google classroom is so inflexible it's almost funny
lyxal
lyxal
y'all still at school?
sucks to be you. School holidays (and uni break) just started over here.
Radvylf Programs
Radvylf Programs
It feels like a rubberized plastic cube, it looks like it's got all sorts of stuff beneath the surface but it's just a monolithic blorpg
pxeger
pxeger
I use middle-click all the time, and I hate links that should just be links but actually open modals
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