The Nineteenth Byte

lyxal

12:05

Ginger Industries

@lyxal olimar is already dead

(for now)

also it's raining rn

she does not understand that rain is not good

apparently my latest pakidge has Arrived at USPS Regional Facility

lyxal

Ginger Industries

...several states away from me

im sorry wat

lyxal

it's in a group DM with some of my friends

Ginger Industries

apparently it will take ~5hr for it to go from the Arrived at USPS Regional Facility to me

lyxal

12:17

I can't take "5 hours" serious anymore after playing a game called Antimatter Dimensions

because half the news ticker jokes are "<event> will happen in 5 hours"

Ginger Industries

1 min ago, by Ginger Industries

im sorry wat

lyxal

ivark.github.io

that's an example of what I mean

Ginger Industries

ah

lyxal

and I've been exposed to such joke for the last few days

because it's an idle game and I grind it

Ginger Industries

such joke

much funny

lyxal

12:24

anyhow so looks at time anyone got a 7?

Ginger Industries

it is 3/17

lyxal

not what I asked

do you have a 7 or not?

Ginger Industries

yes

lyxal

good. i don't have to go fish

takes 7

your turn

Ginger Industries

no, I do not have a 7. you asked if I had one or not and I did not have one

you must go fish

lyxal

12:26

oh

dang

goes and fishes

your turn

Ginger Industries

my deck is 0 cards long

lyxal

well mine's 𝝅e² * √i cards long

Ginger Industries

Can't convert that to int

lyxal

I like to play complex, you know what I mean?

most opponents are confused when I hit them with an irrational imaginary card

they say "that's not a thing" but it is

Ginger Industries

an error occured on [lyxal]'s side. Game forfeit, [Ginger] wins.

lyxal

12:30

you just can't handle irrational complex go fish

Ginger Industries

~~irrational complex deez nuts~~

lyxal

~~that's what she said~~

also hi mum if you're reading this

she found Vyxal on wikipedia lately so it probably won't be long until she finds TNB from google search

Ginger Industries

why is there a [MOTHER] headed towards my [CHATROOM]?!

lyxal

because it is what it is

SegFaultPlus4

@lyxal The (24-5)th Byte

lyxal

12:34

@SegFaultPlus4 well do you have any 7s?

SegFaultPlus4

@lyxal what does 7 have to do with this

lyxal

it's a simple question

do you have a 7?

SegFaultPlus4

@lyxal yes, i have 1

lyxal

10 mins ago, by lyxal

good. i don't have to go fish

SegFaultPlus4

do you have any Ls

lyxal

12:36

2

SegFaultPlus4

oh good, now i have 4

looks like you'll be taking the L

lyxal

but you just took them

so how am I taking it?

have you not played complex irrational go fish before?

SegFaultPlus4

have you nnot heard of taking the L

lyxal

I have, but we're playing complex irrational go fish

we're not playing forkknife

SegFaultPlus4

well then, you have took it

i am 1-0 up

and i want your 7s now

lyxal

12:39

Sure you can have my 7s. Let me flip and rotate them first so that they become Ls

enjoy the L I just gave you

(1-1)

Ginger Industries

*pulls out G-remover*

this is now O-fish

lyxal

complex irrational O-fish

ftfy

SegFaultPlus4

@GingerIndustries i want your e's

Ginger Industries

*OLIMAR joins the ame*

SegFaultPlus4

then i want your us

lyxal

12:41

@GingerIndustries ooh another user to play complex irrational O-fish with

welcome @OLIMAR to the ame

OLIMAR

I HAVE ALWAYS WANTED TO PLAY COMPLEX IRRATIONAL O-FISH

lyxal

I'll ive you your startin hand

OLIMAR

OH BOY

lyxal

deals 6.3 cards

ante is $3 and we're playin odd-even turns

OLIMAR

DUE TO PYTHON ROUNDIN ERRORS I NOW HAVE 6.00000000000000317 CARDS

lyxal

12:43

hey there ophact just in time to play complex irrational O-fish

Ginger Industries

nice

lyxal

I think it's SeFaultPlus4's turn

PyGamer0

what is olimar doing here

lyxal

@PyGamer0 playin complex irrational O-fish obviously

OLIMAR

EXACTLY.

lyxal

12:44

it's a reat ame

Ginger Industries

let's et started

PyGamer0

@OLIMAR DANCE FOR ME

OLIMAR

NO.

PyGamer0

sad

lyxal

@inerIndustries do you have any 8s?

Ginger Industries

12:45

I deal a null card

lyxal

fair enouh

I suppose I'll put a house on that

@OLIMAR your turn

OLIMAR

PROCESSING...

@ophact DO YOU HAVE ANY -19830210321S?

lyxal

oooh good play

Ginger Industries

I really want to see irrational complex O-Fish as an animatic

ophact

@OLIMAR what

lyxal

12:48

@ophact it's a simple question.

OLIMAR

@ophact DO YOU HAVE ANY -19830210321S?

ophact

no

OLIMAR

I DRAW A CARD FROM THE PILE.

lyxal

who's turn now?

Ginger Industries

I think it's your turn, @ophact.

ophact

12:49

I didn't know I was playing...

Ginger Industries

you are now

lyxal

^

OLIMAR

^

ophact

Uh... how do I play?

lyxal

it's go fish but with complex and irrational numbers

Ginger Industries

12:50

exactly

lyxal

and potentially a few other games

ophact

anyway I can't play now

OLIMAR

FOR EXAMPLE, I CURRENTLY HAVE 7.00000000000000317 CARDS

ophact

I will play in 20 minutes

bye

lyxal

and I have a house on the null card iner dealt

Ginger Industries

12:50

okay then

we are down to 4 players

lyxal

looks like it's your turn inerIndustries

Ginger Industries

it is now @Pyamer0's turn

(I think)

lyxal

actually I think you're riht

while we wait for Pyamer0 to have their turn, I'll place down 3 trap cards in defense position

and I'll promote my pawn on the h rank to a fork

OLIMAR

THIS DOES NOT BODE WELL. THE CARDS ARE APPROACHING CRITICAL MASS

I WILL SHIFT ALL UNNEEDED CARDS TO DIMENSION 4 UNTIL THIS IS RESOLVED

lyxal

@inerIndustries @OLIMAR you uys want to do anythin while waitin for pyamer0?

Ginger Industries

12:53

√-1-dimensional Rock Paper Scissors?

lyxal

sure

I choose ŗ̴̨͙̙̤̜͓͎͎̠͓̅̆̍̂͌̈̊̎́̀̄͑̕̕͝ȏ̵̧͖̰͎̳̼̱̠̱͓̹̓ͅc̷̢͎̯͔̳̗̦̮̠̞̲̮͋́̽̂͋̃̈́̏̒̆͋̔̓́͠͝͠ͅk̷̢̜̼̳̖̦͉̲̪͇̙̦͕͙̹̪͊̿́̑̓̓͛͒̒̌̏͆̔̆̋̓̚

Ginger Industries

I choose Paper

lyxal

dang

rematch

OLIMAR

I THINK WE NEED A DIFFERENT METHOD

ONE SECOND

WHEN I SAY "O", YOU MUST BOTH SEND YOUR PLAYS

THIS WILL PREVENT FUTURIC GUESSING

ARE YOU READY

lyxal

ready

Ginger Industries

12:56

yes

OLIMAR

O

Ginger Industries

scissors

lyxal

I choose rock

Ginger Industries

darn

lyxal

rematch

Ginger Industries

12:56

I think @Pyamer0 is AFK

lyxal

you miht be riht

Ginger Industries

probably best to continue without them

lyxal

yeah

Ginger Industries

Play goes to me

OLIMAR, do you have any 🆖s?

lyxal

hang on you've activated my trap card

any emoji ask lets me switch out to a unicode name

Ginger Industries

12:58

hmmm. according to the wikipedia article on Go Fish:

> and is responsible for delivering the cards to the player no matter their location

so we must fiure out how to send the cards to you

ľýxäł

There we go, I've resolved my trap card

You may continue

Ginger Industries

As of now all cards are present at the locations of all players

that way we can resolve that rule

It is OLIMAR's turn

OLIMAR

LYXAL, DO YOU HAVE ANY 7S

ľýxäł

Uh let me check my drawer real quick

I've got a 6.9999999....

Does that suit you?

OLIMAR

YES

IT IS NOW YOUR TURN

ľýxäł

13:00

@GingerIndustries do you have any 4

Ginger Industries

I have 4 4s. This activates my Mirror of Symmetry. All cards implementing IReversible are now reversed.

This game may have to end soon

ľýxäł

Maybe

But not before I build a hotel on New York Avenue and the reading railroad

Ginger Industries

I need to go for a while. This game has been paused. We will resume at the next opportunity.

thanks for playing

ľýxäł

I'll bookmark this for posterity

Ginger Industries

I was going to do that

but ok

Complex Irrational O-Fish with Ginger, Lyxal, and OLIMAR

40 mins ago, 38 minutes total – 164 messages, 7 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked 36 secs ago by Ginger Industries

lyxal

13:05

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41 mins ago, 38 minutes total – 164 messages, 7 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked 9 secs ago by lyxal

Ginger Industries

my bookmark is older then yours

lyxal

We can have 2 bookmarks

One for each major player

Ginger Industries

the rules of CGSE clearly state that older ones have higher priority

lyxal

I thought we were playing with SE chat house rules?

Those allow co-existing bookmarks

Ginger Industries

Those rules don't specify the priority of bookmarks

lyxal

13:07

Does there even need to be bookmark priority?

Because I know that it hasn't mattered in the past

Ginger Industries

in the event of a bookmark dependency resolution error then yes

that hasn't happened yet but it could

lyxal

Lies

I bookmarked the same conversation as redwolf once and both are still there

Ginger Industries

hm

ah well

how is Ukraine doing?

lyxal

Allegedly, it'll be over in a few weeks

They say they're close to finalising a peace negotiation

Ginger Industries

fun

hopefully this doesn't end with Ukraine becoming a puppet nation

that would be not spicy

lyxal

13:09

Ukraine has said that it's clear they won't be part of NATO which apparently is to the liking of Putin

Ginger Industries

for a hot second I thought this article meant US Interstates and not countries

lyxal

Why does everything have to be hot with you?

Hot takes and hot moments.

Summer just finished, give me a break from the heat please

Ginger Industries

~~to balance the frigid cold of my soul of course~~

lyxal

I just want to wear my alexa hoodie but with you keeping the temperature up I can't do so

Ginger Industries

it's 12:11 in Australia, you should probably go slepp

the internet will ~~hopefully~~ still be here when you wake up

lyxal

13:12

Well seeing as how we're doing playing complex irrational O-fish I might actually do so

Ginger Industries

doing?

lyxal

@GingerIndustries funny you should say that

It wasn't this morning

And it actually dropped out just after you said "are you sure you'll go without any prompting"

Ginger Industries

majick

lyxal

Meaning I couldn't reply and meaning that yes, I was sure that I was going without prompting

Gotta love the irony of life sometimes

Ginger Industries

24 hours ago, by Ginger Industries

@lyxal oh really

lyxal

13:14

I'll do one last check of github, discord and reddit before I go

So bye for here for now

o/ gamers

Ginger Industries

cy@

PyGamer0

3**÷/**1 2 3 4 5 6

:/

Ginger Industries

also:

Happy Saint Patrick's Day!

ophact

Here I am, sorry I'm late

Are you still playing whatever it was?

Ginger Industries

no

sorry

@GingerIndustries ~~stars please~~

ophact

13:27

People here star the weirdest things

user

13:59

the weirdest things

7

^ star plz

pxeger

14:53

@Ginger Thank you!

user

15:04

You aint no saint pxeger

I’ve seen the code you write

SegFaultPlus4

@ophact i play roblox sometimes, who else does here

pxeger

I write plenty of good code as well as plenty of bad code

user

Well a real saint wouldn’t write any bad cod

Whython is obviously a tool to corrupt people and bring them under the devil’s influence

SegFaultPlus4

@user how dare you blasphemise python

user

What

Pxeger is the one who desecrated python

Cmq: what are you consuming ? Fellow users

SegFaultPlus4

15:19

@user from your above message, all I see is this

user

?

Are you consuming rick astley sobgs rn

SegFaultPlus4

@user yes

@user i assume i got you with that

Ginger

an interesting language concept:

SegFaultPlus4

@Ginger can't see the image, what is it

graffe

15:46

CMQ in python if I have a list of probs called probs I can sample an integer with random.choices(range(len(probs)), weights = probs)[0] This isn't beautiful or golfed but if I want to also return the probability of the number that was randomly chosen I can't think of an evenly vaguely golfed way to do it. Any suggestions?

e.g probs=[0.5, 0.5]; range(2).index(random.choices(range(2), weights=probs)[0])

image we have a list L instead of range(2)

slightly more compact :)

CMQ I can use random.choices(L, weights = probs)[0] to sample one element from the list L. But what if I also want to return the probability of the sampled element?

pxeger

item, weight = random.choices(zip(items, weights), weights=weights)[0]

graffe

oooh

I like it!

maybe [item, weight] = random.choices(zip(items, weights), weights=weights) ?

PyGamer0

@Ginger when did you change your name

graffe

@pxeger TypeError: object of type 'zip' has no len()

@pxeger seems that doesn't work sadly

pxeger

list(zip()) then

or use Python 2

graffe

15:58

no to python 2 :)

item, weight = random.choices([*zip(items, weights)], weights=weights)[0]

fewer bytes :)

pxeger

you don't need the weights= btw, it can just be random.choices([*zip(items,weights)], weights)

graffe

I didn't know

thanks so much

I can't see a way to get rid of the [0] sadly

which is just ugly

pxeger

(item, weight), = random.choices(zip(items, weights), weights=weights)

graffe

ValueError: not enough values to unpack (expected 2, got 1)

you need the list(zip bit too

the problem is that choices returns a list containing a tuple

[(item, weight)] = random.choices([*zip(items, weights)], weights)

that works for example

pxeger

ato.pxeger.com/…

graffe

16:05

ah the magic , ??

pxeger

it's equivalent to [(item, weight)] but one byte shorter

DLosc

16:21

7

mathcat

wait where's the graph of Malbolge?

... oh lol

Neil

@pxeger doesn't , default to a tuple rather than a list, so it's ((item, weight))

pxeger

@Neil on the LHS of an = sign lists and tuples are completely equivalent

and ((item, weight)) doesn't work; you need a comma, because otherwise it's just got extra parentheses for grouping. ((item, weight),)

DLosc

Might the code be more readable if it were written as [[item, weight]] = ..., or is it always best practice to use tuples on the lhs?

Neil

@pxeger ah, so (item, weight), is actually a tuple of 2 all along?

pxeger

16:30

@DLosc It's best practice to always keep the LHS simple enough that you don't need any brackets ;)

@Neil no, it's a tuple of 1

but you need the extra comma because otherwise Python thinks it's just an expression not a 1-tuple

DLosc

@pxeger Well, fair. So by that logic, indexing [0] on the rhs would be better?

pxeger

Yes, probably

for actual code, not for golfing obviously

DLosc

ofc

@Neil It's a 1-tuple which contains a 2-tuple.

Neil

so why did [(item,weight)] work but not (item,weight),?

pxeger

both work

Neil

16:32

which version was complaining about the ValueError then?

pxeger

that was just (item, weight)

which is a 2-tuple, instead of a 1-tuple containing a 2-tuple

Neil

I'm confused because I don't see that version in the chat

DLosc

It was this one:

35 mins ago, by pxeger

(item, weight), = random.choices(zip(items, weights), weights=weights)

which errored because it was zip(items, weights) instead of list(zip(items, weights)), I believe

Neil

ah thanks it looked as if it was erroring on the assignment instead

DLosc

I am a little confused because that code produces a TypeError rather than a ValueError, so maybe graffe was referring to something else

Ah, probably was referring to an attempt to remove the [0] without changing the lhs yet: item, weight = random.choices([*zip(items, weights)], weights=weights)

pxeger

16:43

@Neil I'm pretty sure that error was because graffe typed it in wrong

41 mins ago, by pxeger

(item, weight), = random.choices(zip(items, weights), weights=weights)

40 mins ago, by graffe

ValueError: not enough values to unpack (expected 2, got 1)

Neil

fair enough

pxeger

ato.pxeger.com/…

Sandbox Posts

17:01

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Convert from Two's Complement to Decimal Take an input, and convert it from Two's Complement notation (binary where the first bit is negated, but the rest are taken as normal) into decimal. Input can be as a string, a list of digits, a number, or pretty much any other format which is recognizably...

Ginger

17:16

regex be like [\"\'](\\.|[^"\'\\])*[\"\']

mathcat

17:36

Do you speak regex?

I don't

DLosc

I do (though some regex flavors are still mystifying to me)

It's a very useful tool

Ginger

but hell to learn

regex is like javascript but more arcane and less mocked

mathcat

Regex is like the geometrical mean of PHP and JS

4

pxeger

I don't understand why people say regex is hard to learn

It's really easy to start from the basics and can be learnt perfectly in small chunks

DLosc

Regex is like a better version of search wildcards crossed with a simple golflang.

Ginger

17:47

~~but is it turing complete~~

DLosc

~~depends on the flavor~~

Ginger

~~chocolate~~

mathcat

~~nice~~

pxeger

~~stop~~

Ginger

~~why~~

DLosc

17:52

CMQ: Opinions on "ungolfed" regex syntax like Python's verbose mode?

pxeger

pretty cool

mathcat

noice

DLosc

I never use it, but maybe I should

Some of the regexes in the Pip interpreter are getting... a bit long, shall we say

[A-Z]+|[a-ik-z_]|\$[][()$`'0-9]|\$[a-z][a-z0-9_]*

Bgil Midol

18:14

@DLosc yes

mathcat

Retina Golfers: And I took that personally

ophact

@DLosc Interesting idea

emanresu A

18:48

You can arrange a pickup of your sword in Rivendell between the hours of noon and 7:00 PM.

Ginger

the item is in transit to the destination

SegFaultPlus4

@emanresuA then the UPS building turns out to contain Alduin

oops

star the message about Alduin just to confuse anyone looking at the starboard

Ginger

according to my estimations it should arrive by 6 pm

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Remove unmatched brackets Inspired by @AviFS. Given a string containing of brackets, e.g. [xyz]543]abc[12345[def]hij[67890 Some of them, marked bold here, will be unmatched. ]abc[ [ ]543 12345[ ]hij xyz def [67890 Your challenge is to remove those unmatched bra...

Complex Irrational O-Fish with Ginger, Lyxal, and OLIMAR

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