The Nineteenth Byte

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Wordle is a daily online word game that has received considerable attention recently. The object is to guess a secret word in the fewest attempts. Consider the following instance of the game: The secret word is rebus, and the player's first guess was arise. The letters r, s, and e are displayed ...

caird coinheringaahing

Ugh, SE has started asking me if I'm "sure I want to leave" whenever I close I tab that I've opened the editor in, even if I've submitted the edit

pxeger

@NewPosts is this a dupe of codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/36921 and/or similar?

caird coinheringaahing

They're definitely closely related

Ginger Industries

There are currently 18 users in this room (excluding bots) which I feel is more than we've had in a long time

Of them, 12 aren't AFK

mathcat

@GingerIndustries If you're counting the seen ago seconds

caird coinheringaahing

16:09

@GingerIndustries We've had 26 (with bots) in here recently

pxeger

Jun 18 '21 at 15:55, by pxeger

wow, when's the last time we had 3 rows of users in TNB?

caird coinheringaahing

I think a couple of nights ago

mathcat

then cough some people leave their computer on when going to sleep

caird coinheringaahing

Yep :P

Ginger Industries

Apparently there will be no weather on tuesday

hyper-neutrino

16:10

yeah, always annoying when people do that. i wonder who here does that

Ginger Industries

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@GingerIndustries We get 3 rows on occasion

caird coinheringaahing

The true measure is the number of mods we have in here. Currently, it's only 2, but we've gone up to 6 in the last couple of months

Ginger Industries

>_>
<_<

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@GingerIndustries xkcd 1245

Tuesdays never have weather

caird coinheringaahing

16:11

@cairdcoinheringaahing Huh, neither Slate nor Catija are in here. Been a while since that last happened

Ginger Industries

There is no tuesday

or friday for that matter

caird coinheringaahing

Days are just a made up construct anyway

Someone just started counting a couple of thousand years ago, and we've just gone along with that

Ginger Industries

If mañana in spanish is tomorrow, would mañanañanañana be 2 days from today?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

mañana

Ginger Industries

@cairdcoinheringaahing ah yes, the earth merely appears to orbit the sun

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

16:15

It's the other way around, the sun orbits the earth

caird coinheringaahing

@GingerIndustries No, not "day as in 24 hours", "day as in day of the week"

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani the sun is full of Christmas lights and fastened to a pole that connects to a giant motor in Antartica

everyone knows that

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

That's why winters are darker

We steal all the sun's christmas lights

Ginger Industries

precisely

caird coinheringaahing

@GingerIndustries That's a nonsense conspiracy theory. The truth is that some dude in Kansas just started swinging a basketball that was on fire, on a very long rope, and hasn't stopped since

Ginger Industries

16:17

@cairdcoinheringaahing the sun is only the size of a penny and it lands in Arizona every night which is why the rocks are so red

DLosc

@cairdcoinheringaahing Kansas University has a really good basketball program. That checks out.

caird coinheringaahing

@GingerIndustries Oh hi, Calvin's dad

Ginger Industries

@cairdcoinheringaahing I knew one of yall would recognise it :)

caird coinheringaahing

Can you explain why old photos are always in black and white?

Ginger Industries

@cairdcoinheringaahing The world was black and white back then

they just became color over time

DLosc

16:18

@GingerIndustries mañana, mañana dos, mañana tres...

Ginger Industries

also wind is trees sneezing

caird coinheringaahing

But why are the photos black and white now?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Same reason pictures of people as babies don't change to show them getting wrinkly

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani couldn't've said it better myself

DLosc

@taRadvylfsriksushilani They don't??

Ginger Industries

16:19

@DLosc *laughs in Dorian Gray*

brb

caird coinheringaahing

@taRadvylfsriksushilani Idk, have you seen babies? They're pretty wrinkly

I believe I have a legit challenge idea that fits naturally with code-shuffleboard (rather than "here's an idea, how to make it a shuffleboard challenge?") :P

Peilonrayz

@cairdcoinheringaahing Spoke too soon ;)

Ginger Industries

back

Catija

@cairdcoinheringaahing Yes, well... I have a reason, so... :P

Ginger Industries

the return of the mods

caird coinheringaahing

16:22

@Catija Did you have a good holiday? :)

Ginger Industries

where were the mods when the Westfold fell?

Catija

@cairdcoinheringaahing Uh. Not particularly. :(

Ginger Industries

@Catija sorry abt that

caird coinheringaahing

@Catija Sorry to hear that :( Any particular reasons why? Bennett and August not like Christmas?

Catija

My dad died and I got Covid... and then my husband did and Gus... and the boys' school is closed through the end of next week because of covid... so ... yeah.

caird coinheringaahing

16:25

@Catija My condolences, I'm sorry :(

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Yeah, that's awful :(

Catija

Yup. :sigh:

Ginger Industries

@Catija mi forlu lait ka

I hope things improve for you

caird coinheringaahing

@Catija Hope you weren't too hard hit by Covid. I managed to infect both my parents, and we luckily only had colds

Tho I imagine that young kids being sick is never fun to deal with :/

Ginger Industries

wish I could help ya

Catija

16:30

Thanks :) It was pretty mild for everyone. Aches and pains and lots of phlegm but nothing terribad. Gus mostly just got irritable.

Ginger Industries

@Catija phlegm is one of those words that almost everyone knows but is next to impossible to use

...or was before Covid

Catija

I feel like it's easily swappable with "snot" but more formal, so I tend to opt for it in most cases.

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

I get so much spam from colleges that this is the second time I've opened by gmail for under 10m and received more spam during the time it takes to delete the other spam

thejonymyster

@cairdcoinheringaahing what exactly is the difference between "if you run out of q votes, you can continue voting on questions, but it will deduct from your qa-votes instead" and "youll be blocked from using your q-votes and any post you vote on will count against your qa votes"?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@taRadvylfsriksushilani And I'm not even in 11th grade yet, when I'm sure there will be even more

Ginger Industries

16:36

as best I can translate "snot" would be mak ans makina bo nors in katlani (literally "human inside machine stick[y] water")

@taRadvylfsriksushilani idea: set up a system to forward it back to them automatically and delete your copy

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Nah, forward them the previous piece of spam I got, shift register style

Montana State, meet uChicago. uChicago, meet Montana State.

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani automated college spam Tinder

3

that is an unholy quadruplet of words

caird coinheringaahing

@GingerIndustries ....lovely

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Q: Tips for golfing in chicken

What general tips do you have for golfing in Chicken? I'm looking for ideas which can be applied to code-golf problems and which are also at least somewhat specific to Chicken (e.g. "remove comments" is not an answer). Please post one tip per answer. [Duplicate prevent for Tips for golfing in Chef]

code-golf tips chicken

Ginger Industries

@cairdcoinheringaahing why are you booing me? I'm right

caird coinheringaahing

16:41

Lets say that at the start of the day, you vote on 10 questions. You've now used all your Q-votes, and the next vote you cast, regardless of on an answer or question, will be one of your QA votes.
However, if you instead vote on 25 answers at the start of the day, you'll have 5 QA-votes left, and, despite not using any of your Q-votes, you only have 5 votes left for that day

thejonymyster

aha

caird coinheringaahing

@NewPosts does "don't use chicken" count as a tip? :P

Ginger Industries

@NewPosts this lang seems a bit odd for golfing in

just a bit odd

thejonymyster

yes but we love challenges

mathcat

@GingerIndustries ninja'd

Ginger Industries

16:42

like the ocean has a bit of water

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Short programs for fixed outputs Inspired by Lynn's Jelly puzzles. Check them out if you're interested in practicing your Jelly skills Cops The cops should choose three things: A freely available programming language, a byte count \$B\$, and a number of programs to write, \$n\$ (minimum 5) They...

chunes

This is kind of a weird question, but does anyone know what the arg in argsort means, or rather, why argsort is called argsort? Google is really failing me here.

caird coinheringaahing

@SandboxPosts Feedback greatly appreciated, JHT members might be extra interested, given the inspiration ;)

@chunes argument?

chunes

But like, it returns a list of indices. What does it have to do with arguments?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Hopefully we get two competing plausible answers

caird coinheringaahing

16:45

@chunes Is this the numpy method?

Hello, World!

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A: "Hello, World!"

str, 17 bytes `Hello, World!`o; Try it online!

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@taRadvylfsriksushilani So we can have an argument :p

Unrelated String

ha

chunes

@caird Yes, but I've seen it in other places too

Unrelated String

is this argsort just
grade up

caird coinheringaahing

16:47

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Q: Why is argsort called argsort?

So, it's an indirect sort that returns the indices that would sort an array. Why is it "argsort" (which makes some sense given that it takes an argument -- the type of sort to use) but not "indirect_sort" or something like that? Or get_sort_indexer?

numpy

Unrelated String

ah that actually makes surprisingly good sense

chunes

Wow, nice find

Thanks

Unrelated String

analogy to argmax = argument of the maximum = input which maximizes output

caird coinheringaahing

@chunes If there's a tech question, there's an SO question asking it (and 15 duplicates) :P

Commonly known as "Jeff's Law" :P

Ginger Industries

@cairdcoinheringaahing hey I want a law too

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

16:52

I think there's a Redwolf's Law, but I can't find it

chunes

@caird if only that were true for my programming language of choice

caird coinheringaahing

@GingerIndustries GingerIndustries' Law: If a picture of a cat exists on the internet, it can have a disapproving face put on top of it

Ginger Industries

@cairdcoinheringaahing i'm not too sure about that one

mathcat

I own a constitution

Neil

superuser.com/q/1698989 explains why I got kicked out of chat yesterday. (I had been in the chatroom for about 10,000,000 seconds prior to that.)

Ginger Industries

16:57

lol

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Apr 14 '21 at 18:38, by Redwolf Programs

Redwolf's Rule: You always have approximately two to four times as many answers as you remember

Found it!

Ginger Industries

ah

mathcat

I'll think of Mathcat's rule

caird coinheringaahing

@taRadvylfsriksushilani I'm slowly counting my way to 1000 posts, so I've got a pretty good count on how many answers I have :P

Only 59 posts away :P

mathcat

17:13

I still didn't understand 11'd and 12'd

Neil

@cairdcoinheringaahing so after 30 answer upvotes you can't upvote any questions, you have to get them in before the 25th answer upvote?

oh you already answered that sorry

caird coinheringaahing

@Neil Basically, yes

Neil

@mathcat what's wrong with that?

mathcat

nothing

just said that it can't be counted as not afk

caird coinheringaahing

@mathcat mod abuse!!!! -> mod abuse!!11! -> mod abuse eleven -> eleven

It's a joke made when mods use their powers to do... well anything

mathcat

17:20

oh

@cairdcoinheringaahing it happened?

caird coinheringaahing

12 comes from the fact that TNB ROs are the next level down of "moderation power" in chat, and 12 is the next number after 11

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

RO abuse!!2!221!!@@12!!1

caird coinheringaahing

@mathcat For example, we regular users only get 2 minutes to edit our messages here after we send them. However, mods can edit any message at any time. When we want a mod to edit a message to say something specific, we'll ask them to "11 the message"

@hyper-neutrino can 11 this to say something different, for example.

From our abbreviations:

Peilonrayz

Could have sworn you had a wiki explaining 11 and 12. I recall seeing something like "CR -> baddies"... however now I seem incapable of finding the page. Do you know where I could find it?

caird coinheringaahing

> Eleven: To delete something using moderator powers, e.g. "Yeah, the post is gone, Dennis 11'd it". mod abuse -> mod abuse!!! -> mod abuse !!11!1!! -> mod abuse !!eleven!1!! -> mod abuse eleven -> eleven

@Peilonrayz We had the exact same thought :P codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/12537/…

Peilonrayz

17:24

Err... I've never quite seen a ninja like that XD

caird coinheringaahing

Might be worth adding 12/twelve to that list

hyper-neutrino

for whatever reason 11ing your message caused the ping to break???

oh, wait, if i do @hyper-neutrino it doesn't ping me. i guess that's what happened

also if a mod edits someone else's message in a room you're not in, it shows in the sidebar as that mod sending the message

caird coinheringaahing

Huh, and it technically thinks that you posted the message

hyper-neutrino

yep

also, since whether or not messages link is dependent on the sender, this means i can edit your messages to cause things like private room messages to link

caird coinheringaahing

I guess it does edits by just rewriting the contents of the message with a specific ID

hyper-neutrino

17:27

in hyper-neutrino's domain, just now, by hyper-neutrino

this message is from a private room

caird coinheringaahing

cool :D

hyper-neutrino

but if you send that link it won't embed

and then if I perform a blank edit on your message, it should embed, IIRC :P

caird coinheringaahing

in hyper-neutrino's domain, 1 min ago, by hyper-neutrino

this message is from a private room

@hyper-neutrino Give it a shot ^

Fun :P

Peilonrayz

Oh cool, mods can't link :)

I've been wondering how linking to private chats work for a while now...

hyper-neutrino

basically it checks if the person who sent the message (in cases of edits, whoever submitted the edit) has permission to see that message

so if caird had edited that message again it would've gone back to not embedding

caird coinheringaahing

17:34

Unless I had access to a specific private room. Wonder what would happen then

Peilonrayz

@hyper-neutrino I could understand if you had RO privileges in the target chat, but just read privileges seems a bit odd. Write privileges could make sense too. I may have to abuse my sock later ;)

Ginger Industries

Presenting Ginger's Law: An equation that fixes the relationship between probability of code to work and tenths of code copied from SE

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

foka

mathcat

Mathcat's Law: If you want to write a programming language, you have to understand one.

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Okay...I seriously want to see a programming language by someone who's never programmed now

caird coinheringaahing

17:41

github.com/cairdcoinheringaahing/UnprintableName

That was maybe my first proper coding project

granted, it's been upgraded a few times since, but still :P

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Ooh, so you're the one who broke my language ranking script

caird coinheringaahing

You're welcome :P

mathcat

@mathcat I'm obviously referring to Pylite.

Ginger Industries

CMQ: What would it take for America to literally run on dunkin'?

(I've already done the math, but I want to see yall try)

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

The people next to me in class are talking about manufacturing GMO caffeinated apples

So possibly that

Ginger Industries

17:48

@taRadvylfsriksushilani this is an awful idea. i love it

Unrelated String

@cairdcoinheringaahing i'm not sure if this is worse than i expected or better

caird coinheringaahing

class Stack:

    ''' Create a class equivilent to a list '''

big brain

pxeger

@staticmethod
def _isPrime(x):

ah yes, prime checking: famous for being a property of stacks

Ginger Industries

@cairdcoinheringaahing I've got a good one, just a sec

caird coinheringaahing

def inputRoman(self,input_):
    ''' Take roman numerals, convert to numbers and push '''

All good golfing languages can take input as roman numerals

4

Unrelated String

17:52

aside from every builtin being a method of Stack i'm also not entirely sure what a ValyrioError is supposed to be

Ginger Industries

@cairdcoinheringaahing I can't find it but I recall seeing a list class that used a set and another list that held the ordering of the items in the set

caird coinheringaahing

@UnrelatedString an error, duh :P

Unrelated String

...
that
wow

caird coinheringaahing

@GingerIndustries Use a dictionary where it's all value: [indexes, of, value]

Unrelated String

did it store the order in reference to the sorted order of the elements or did it actually rely on the order in which it could access them from the set

caird coinheringaahing

17:55

    ''' Nilad Commands '''

    def abs(self):

    def add(self):

....did 15 year old me know what "nilad" meant?

Ginger Industries

@UnrelatedString there was a set with all the items and a list of each item in the set in order

Unrelated String

@GingerIndustries oh

Ginger Industries

Fun snippet from one of my programs:

        try:
            self.conf = pickle.load(open("conf.dat", "rb"))
        except FileNotFoundError:
            self.conf = {"url": "", "usernames": [], "interval": 10}
            pickle.dump(self.conf, open("conf.dat", "xb"))
        except FileExistsError:
            # what the hell

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Implement an argwhere function functional-programming array The \$argwhere\$ function takes a list of values and a predicate (boolean) function as arguments and returns a list of indices where the function returns true in the input list. For example, argwhere([1, 2, 3, -5, 5], x -> x > 2) would p...

caird coinheringaahing

@cairdcoinheringaahing Literally all of the builtins are under Nilad Commands :/

Unrelated String

17:57

i guess that almost makes sense then? like if you have a large list that you both need to have in some order and need to perform frequent membership checks on, it might make sense to maintain a list and set in parallel for it

Ginger Industries

@UnrelatedString huh it kinda does

i didn't think of that

Unrelated String

it wouldn't handle removal of items too gracefully ofc

but putting that into a class would let you uniformly treat it as a container without worrying what's actually running it, and if you have to swap in a multiset counter kind of deal it wouldn't require chenges in anything using it

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Ugh, a thing for my math class is making me watch a 20m video for a grade

Unrelated String

rip

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

And it has a thing where it detects whether or not you actually watched it

caird coinheringaahing

18:01

@taRadvylfsriksushilani Play it, but don't actually watch it

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

It auto-pauses when you unfocus the tab

Unrelated String

you can leave your computer for 20 minutes

caird coinheringaahing

So just play it and piss about on your phone

Unrelated String

maybe come back every 5 to make sure it hasn't shut off

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@UnrelatedString No I cannot :p

Wait a second, if I put it in its own window, it thinks it's still the focused tab and keeps playing

Unrelated String

18:02

...lmao

nice

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani If you're on chrome then just use the picture in picture system

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@cairdcoinheringaahing it's on like 5% battery, with no wifi, and on the same cell tower as 2k other students, so that wouldn't work well

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani damn ninja'd

caird coinheringaahing

I really hate the orange banner that shows up if someone submits an edit while you're editing :/

Unrelated String

^

i can never understand what causes it either

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

18:05

The edit page should be like hackmd/collaborative editing software

Unrelated String

wait this is a totally different orange banner than the new answers one

just fuck orange banners in general lmao

caird coinheringaahing

I've just merged pxeger's edit into mine, and will overwrite it when I'm done :P

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@UnrelatedString New answers banner?

I've never seen that one before

pxeger

@cairdcoinheringaahing sorry :p

Unrelated String

i have absolutely no idea what causes it versus the nice little clickable gray one that pops up at the top of the answers section

doesn't happen often

but it just tells you to refresh the page for [X] new answers

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

18:07

huh. must be like the boat-into-sticks thing in minecraft

Ginger Industries

there is almost certainly a lucrative job in making clickbaity MC mods for famous YouTubers to screw with in their videos

someone is making a lotta cash off of Aphmau

pxeger

might not be very long-term stable though

Ginger Industries

@pxeger idk that kinda content seems to be basically all Aphmau does at this point

all you really need is a basic understanding of Java and Forge

which I do have

caird coinheringaahing

Added the Bakery, LYAL, BMG and 12 to the list of abbreviations

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@GingerIndustries Or, nowadays, Fabric

Ginger Industries

18:13

@taRadvylfsriksushilani Fabric suuuuuucks Forge 4 Lyfe

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

What, why?

Unrelated String

i have worked marginally with both and i will say fabric has felt markedly better

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani forge is older and I'm loyal to it

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

And fabric updates faster

Ginger Industries

I will use Forge till the day I die

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

18:14

@taRadvylfsriksushilani because its system of injecting and stuff is much more robust and flexible

Unrelated String

forge is actually kind of painful to work with sometimes lmao

oh yeah doesn't fabric also have good kotlin support

Ginger Industries

@UnrelatedString I concede that point

Unrelated String

i think that's actually why i learned kotlin then immediately forgot it lmao

Ginger Industries

But Forge came first and as such is more used

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@GingerIndustries Doesn't make fabric bad, it just makes it unfamiliar

caird coinheringaahing

18:15

We currently have 8000 rep being offered in bounties for Best Of. If we take all nominated categories, that results in 9000 total rep. I'm willing to offer an extra 1000 to cover it, but if anyone else is willing to offer 500/1000 rep instead, I'll gladly let you ;)

5

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani okay fine

caird coinheringaahing

@cairdcoinheringaahing And, of course, more category nominations are welcome :)

I've been considering nominating either Kansas City Shuffle, Breaking the Mold or possibly The Student becomes the Master

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

All three

Unrelated String

^

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

If we don't have the rep for it, I'll add another +500 to mine

caird coinheringaahing

18:30

Not that I don't appreciate the +70 ish tag score towards my discussion gold badge, but I do already have 5 answers, and 8 feels a bit excessive :P I'll take Kansas City Shuffle and Breaking the Mold tho

pxeger

@cairdcoinheringaahing Not so sure about the last one

caird coinheringaahing

That takes us to 11000 reputation overall

Again, I'm happy to offer 4000 rep to make sure everyone gets rewards, but I'd appreciate others pitching in a bit as well :P

Ginger Industries

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'd help but I don't really have much rep to donate (which I am working on)

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

I'll do another +500 I guess (~~but only if I win one~~)

caird coinheringaahing

@GingerIndustries No worries, I don't want to pressure anyone into offering bounties :P

@taRadvylfsriksushilani I'm planning on nominating you for most helpful commenter at least :P

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

18:38

Idea: A "close second" category, for someone nominated in a different category that almost won (but didn't) and still deserves a bounty

caird coinheringaahing

It's a nice idea, but the logistics might be a bit weird

Potentially, that would be decided via a second vote after the final voting closed

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