The Nineteenth Byte

Ginger Industries

19:00

prob about 1mph

mathcat

If you want your soul pure again

Ginger Industries

so that's 10 billion billion mph

mathcat

I'd feel hard feeling remorse

Redwolf Programs

@GingerIndustries You're saying an ant can travel a mile in an hour?

Ginger Industries

@mathcat well you'd be dead so it wouldn't matter

@RedwolfPrograms No, Google

oh wait

wrong ant

Redwolf Programs

19:01

That'd be half a meter in a second

Those are some fast ants lol

Ginger Industries

turns out nobody really does research on that

the fastest ant can move at 1.9mph

Redwolf Programs

Nine body lengths per second is what I get

Ginger Industries

@RedwolfPrograms same

Redwolf Programs

So a chain of ants one mile long can go at 9 mph

Ginger Industries

well if we make a wild guess that all ants on average move at 0.1 mph

that's a 1 billion billion mph ant convoy

BuzzFeed article: How to break the laws of space-time using JUST lego!

Redwolf Programs

19:05

I wonder how much kinetic energy they'd have...

Ginger Industries

It's probably best for the laws of physics for us to just stick to 8 billion human souls

which you can do plenty more with

after traveling to the moon in 78 seconds, we still have 4 billion souls left

Wezl - a cautionary tale

TIL mink rafts are an actual thing

Redwolf Programs

1 with 49 zeroes units of kinetic energy

Ginger Industries

@RedwolfPrograms One gigaant

emanresu A

Sep 16 '21 at 18:59, by caird coinheringaahing

var numbers = [
    "a", "b", "c", "d", "f", "g", "i", "j", "k", "n", "o",
    "p", "q", "r", "s", "t", "u", "v", "w", "x", "y", "z"
];

Ginger Industries

19:07

@emanresuA ಠ_ಠ

emanresu A

Redwolf's code, not mine

Ginger Industries

@RedwolfPrograms ಠ_ಠ

explain yourself

Redwolf Programs

I wrote numbers but meant digits. This is for a base-22 ID number.

And ehlm are missing because those are the yellow letters

Ginger Industries

@RedwolfPrograms oh, so this isn't a god-tier golfpost

Redwolf Programs

No, it's part of RTO's source code :p

pxeger

19:09

@RedwolfPrograms not a fan of phlegm then I take it

hyper-neutrino

@RedwolfPrograms oh so it isn't just E that you hate?

pxeger

(actually, who would be a fan of phlegm)

Redwolf Programs

Nope, h, l, and m are also not the best

pxeger

what is the best?

Ginger Industries

nobody likes ehlm

hyper-neutrino

19:10

you must not be a fan of the word "helm" then huh :p

Redwolf Programs

@pxeger Hard to say. Depends on context.

@hyper-neutrino Words that are all yellow are actually often not that bad

It's words like "map" or "tone" that are bad

(p is yellow in the context of map)

Wezl - a cautionary tale

*tries to think of the similarities between "map" and "tone"*

caird coinheringaahing

A tone map? :P

pxeger

tone mapping is a thing

yeah

Ginger Industries

@cairdcoinheringaahing ninja'd

pxeger

19:13

@GingerIndustries You edited that message to change who it was replying to as I was hovering over it, and now Wezl's message is permanently highlighted. Ah, SE chat...

Ginger Industries

if you had a button would you press it

pxeger

caird coinheringaahing

Reload the page

Ginger Industries

@pxeger ah yes, cursed comment

pxeger

@cairdcoinheringaahing but that wouldn't be any fun, now, would it?

DLosc

19:14

@GingerIndustries Suppose the mass of an average ant is 4 milligrams. If we convert that mass to energy using E = mc^2, we get about 360 gigajoules. The annual global energy consumption is estimated at 580 billion gigajoules. So we could power the whole world using only (!) about 1.6 billion ants per year.

pxeger

ant fusion reactor when?

Ginger Industries

@DLosc so one "ant" is 360 gigajoules

would it be powered by
ANTIMATTER

4

caird coinheringaahing

@pxeger SE chat being broken is basically the norm now :P

Redwolf Programs

If any part of SE chat works fine, it makes national news

DLosc

@pxeger That would convert significantly less of the ants to energy, so we'd need a lot more of them

pxeger

19:15

Dec 16 '21 at 2:02, by emanresu A

Chat never worked, so they never have to fix it

never gets any less true

DLosc

@RedwolfPrograms International news, judging by the variety of countries we're all from

Redwolf Programs

TNB micronation when

caird coinheringaahing

I say we conquer the void that is wyoming and claim it for the golfers

7

Ginger Industries

@pxeger damn ninja'd

pxeger

lol

Redwolf Programs

19:17

Jun 18 '21 at 1:33, by Redwolf Programs

Jun 8 at 21:06, by Redwolf Programs

Wyoming's like daylight saving time...you just check your GPS and you've jumped forward to Montana

Ginger Industries

@cairdcoinheringaahing but wyoming doesn't exist

neither for that matter does Colarado

caird coinheringaahing

Colorado does, that's where the skiing is :P

Redwolf Programs

state of kansas jello mold

caird coinheringaahing

Wyoming is just flat void

Ginger Industries

or that one town in Germany

caird coinheringaahing

19:18

Bielefeld

Ginger Industries

@cairdcoinheringaahing that's the one

@cairdcoinheringaahing wyoming's chunks never loaded

today I made the best pun I will ever make

I have peaked

actually that's a Colorado pun :)

CMC: Find the most recursively quoted TNB message (for example, Redwolf's above message would have been recursively quoted 2 times)

pxeger

reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/hmxlq2/…

DLosc

@cairdcoinheringaahing Void, perhaps, but not exactly flat.

Ginger Industries

@DLosc the terrain isn't solid, you fall to the center of the Earth as soon as you cross the border

code golfers vs regular golfers, who would win

Sandbox Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Melt a nested array code-golf array ascii-art string ragged-list When I look at a ragged-list like [1,[1,[8,2,[1,2],5,4,[9]]],2,3], I sometimes mentally imagine the list melting into goo and dropping like from the edge of a table, going further down in the deeper-nested parts of the list. [1, ...

Redwolf Programs

19:25

@GingerIndustries I'll do that later if you remind me

DLosc

@GingerIndustries At what kind of competition?

Redwolf Programs

Fight to the death

Ginger Industries

@DLosc all-out warfare

well, we do have wyoming

DLosc

Regular golfers, then. They have clubs.

Redwolf Programs

Unfortunately we're vastly out numbered

hyper-neutrino

19:26

but the fewer of us the better :P

Ginger Industries

@DLosc They may have clubs, but we have <s>a Hulk</s> Wyoming

pxeger

cmon, only 4 upvotes for a repcap...

Ginger Industries

@pxeger seems like you're there to me

emanresu A

reddit.com/r/MapsWithoutNZ

:(

pxeger

whoever did that, I think that's against site rules

or, at least, it will get reverted for serial voting

I wasn't asking for upvotes, but honestly I wasn't expecting this to be received so pathetically

Ginger Industries

19:30

Dec 19 '21 at 23:29, by Ginger Industries

11 hours ago, by lyxal

people mention their rep count and magically it increases

does se chat support strikethrough

Redwolf Programs

Yes

DLosc

---yes---

pxeger

no yes

Redwolf Programs

---

Ginger Industries

--test--

mathcat

19:33

~~yes~~

no

Ginger Industries

-what-

DLosc

It has to be 3

pxeger

you need 3

Ginger Industries

~~~got it~~~

Redwolf Programs

Every. Single. Person. In chat has to ask about how the strikethrough works.

mathcat

19:33

oh

Redwolf Programs

It's awful

mathcat

@RedwolfPrograms cool, but I didn't ask

Ginger Industries

@RedwolfPrograms the people, the chat, or the strikethrough?

caird coinheringaahing

I even have /strike as a shortcut

emanresu A

Not the people asking, the chat

Redwolf Programs

19:34

The strikethrough

Ginger Industries

ah

emanresu A

ಠ_ಠ

caird coinheringaahing

`/strike`:
`---strikethrough---` ---strikethrough---

Ginger Industries

got it, thanks

Redwolf Programs

@mathcat I read that at first as like "cool, but I didn't ask" lol

Ginger Industries

19:34

Stack Exchange more like Hack Exchange lol

Redwolf Programs

Asking how tf chat markdown works is like a rite of passage lol

Ginger Industries

@mathcat I'd make a comment about doing that but I'd do it myself if given the chance so

mathcat

the time will come

Ginger Industries

(:<

Redwolf Programs

Please don't respond to stuff people say with that

If mathcat's hadn't been in the specific context it was, I likely would've flagged it

Ginger Industries

19:37

got it, sorry

Redwolf Programs

Nw

emanresu A

Now I'm confused

Redwolf Programs

I am not a fan of "what you say doesn't matter/your opinion isn't wanted here" under basically any circumstances

Ginger Industries

@RedwolfPrograms we accept all onions

Wezl - a cautionary tale

@user my cat kills bugs

Ginger Industries

19:38

*opinions

Redwolf Programs

Onions are pretty chill

Wezl - a cautionary tale

also spiders. but we don't talk about that

Ginger Industries

:/

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms sorry, but that opinion isn't wanted here *kick-mutes Redwolf*

Redwolf Programs

lol

Ginger Industries

19:39

VTC Redwolf

Redwolf Programs

D:

Ginger Industries

turn that frown upside down

caird coinheringaahing

VTC Redwolf as "Primarily opinion-based" :P

10

Ginger Industries

when someone says it louder and get all the stars

mathcat

onion-based

caird coinheringaahing

19:40

(⌐■_■)

Ginger Industries

(■_■)⌐

caird coinheringaahing

Hey man, be calm, I got a family

:P

pxeger

to family? is that a verb

emanresu A

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Ginger Industries

⌐(■_■)⌐

pxeger

19:42

¬(■_■)¬

mathcat

😎

Redwolf Programs

@GingerIndustries Looks more like dual wielding pistols now

pxeger

walk like an egyptian

caird coinheringaahing

@GingerIndustries finger guns :P

Ginger Industries

The 4 variants:
(⌐■_■): Glasses
(■_■)⌐: Gun
⌐(■_■)⌐: Finger guns
¬(■_■)¬: Egyptian

caird coinheringaahing

19:43

👉😎👉

pxeger

CMC: animate alternating between

⌐(■_■)⌐
¬(■_■)¬
⌐(■_■)⌐
¬(■_■)¬

Ginger Industries

yes

let's see if this one works

(ಠ_ಠ)⌐

it does

the face you make when someone asks what's wrong

Redwolf Programs

<script>i=0;setInterval(_=>document.body.textContent=i++%2?"⌐(■_■)⌐":"¬(■_■)¬",100)</script>

uh...without a meta charset it looks pretty strange lol

emanresu A

¯\_(ಠ_ಠ)_/¯

Ginger Industries

■-■

@emanresuA that's my line

pxeger

19:45

golfier: _=>setInterval(_=>document.body.textContent=i++%2?"⌐(■_■)⌐":"¬(■_■)¬",i=100)

emanresu A

@GingerIndustries I know lol

Redwolf Programs

Ginger Industries

@RedwolfPrograms biblical angel

emanresu A

(ಠ_■)⌐

4

Ginger Industries

@emanresuA Captain Hook

emanresu A

19:46

Yeah lol

Redwolf Programs

A rather concerned captain hook, too

pxeger

@RedwolfPrograms maybe he's just got some funky eyeliner on

caird coinheringaahing

@GingerIndustries ¬(ꙮ_ꙮ)¬

Ginger Industries

■-■⌐ EMOTICON GLASSES BABY WITH GUN

pxeger

@cairdcoinheringaahing a fly?

mathcat

19:47

@pxeger yes

my time has come

caird coinheringaahing

@pxeger biblical angel :P

Redwolf Programs

@RedwolfPrograms The funny thing is, that first character is too tall, so the animation jiggles

Ginger Industries

@cairdcoinheringaahing ¬(ꙮ_ꙮ)¬ EMOTICON BIBLICAL ANGEL DOING FUNKY DANCE

Redwolf Programs

Go to

data:text/html,<html contenteditable><script>i=0;setInterval(_=>document.body.textContent=i++%2?%22%E2%8C%90(%E2%96%A0_%E2%96%A0)%E2%8C%90%22:%22%C2%AC(%E2%96%A0_%E2%96%A0)%C2%AC%22,100)%3C/script%3E

(URL) to see what I mean

Okay that link looks super sus but it decodes to my CMC response

caird coinheringaahing

Very jiggly

Ginger Industries

19:49

when you see some cheese

Redwolf Programs

He's tired and needs coffee :p

ninja'd lol

I like how we both saw the same thing in a random unicode blob

Wezl - a cautionary tale

@GingerIndustries ninja'd

Ginger Industries

@RedwolfPrograms whatever do you mean

DLosc

@pxeger Is ▀ acceptable for the eyes?

Redwolf Programs

@GingerIndustries Idk I can't read

Ginger Industries

19:51

┐■_■ ┎

┐ ■_■┎

Redwolf Programs

data:text/html,<html contenteditable><meta charset=utf-8><script>i=0;setInterval(_=>document.body.textContent=i++%2?%22%E2%8C%90(%E2%96%A0_%E2%96%A0)%E2%8C%90%22:%22%C2%AC(%E2%96%A0_%E2%96%A0)%C2%AC%22,100)%3C/script%3E

is the correct (original) dancing

Ginger Industries

he dancin

there's weird padding on the┎ so it looks off

Wezl - a cautionary tale

⦕'̅ v ̅'⦖⟆ is the one true unicode-emoticon

Ginger Industries

@Wezl-acautionarytale ⦕ಠ_ಠ⦖⟆

fixed it for ya

Wezl - a cautionary tale

I need to see a cat with that expression

Ginger Industries

19:53

@Wezl-acautionarytale hold please

i'm working on it :)

mathcat

Python, 221 bytes

works in cmd

Ginger Industries

you should be concerned

DLosc

@DLosc Because if so, I have a 47-byte solution in QBasic

mathcat

does animate mean it always has to clear?

DLosc

@mathcat Why do you have 4 states? Aren't there just 2 distinct states?

Redwolf Programs

19:56

data:text/html,<html style="white-space:pre-wrap"><meta charset=utf-8><script>i=0;setInterval(_=>document.body.textContent=["%E2%94%90%E2%96%A0_%E2%96%A0%20%20%E2%94%8E","%E2%94%90%20%E2%96%A0_%E2%96%A0%20%E2%94%8E","%E2%94%90%20%20%E2%96%A0_%E2%96%A0%E2%94%8E"][i++%3],20)</script>

when you drink too much coffee

mathcat

oh

Ginger Industries

okay, I'm done

@Wezl-acautionarytale prepare yourself

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms hi yes, my mental state, good to meet you again :P

Ginger Industries

5

mathcat

187 bytes

Wezl - a cautionary tale

19:57

⦕'̅ ~ '̅⦖⟆ vs ⦕'̅ ~ ̅'⦖⟆?

Ginger Industries

when you drink too much coffee

Neil

@WheatWizard ah right, that would explain it.

Redwolf Programs

data:text/html,<html style="white-space:pre-wrap"><meta charset=utf-8><script>i=0;setInterval(_=>document.body.textContent=["%E2%94%90%E2%96%A0_%E2%96%A0%20%20%E2%94%8E","%E2%94%90%20%E2%96%A0_%E2%96%A0%20%E2%94%8E","%E2%94%90%20%20%E2%96%A0_%E2%96%A0%E2%94%8E","%E2%94%90%20%E2%96%A0_%E2%96%A0%20%E2%94%8E"][i++%4],100)</script>

is more what I was going for

Ginger Industries

we need a "dancing emoji" generator

lemme see if I can make one

hold please

DLosc

@RedwolfPrograms I just realized what this post reminds me of ^_^

Wezl - a cautionary tale

20:00

⦕'̅͜- '̅ ⦖⟆

Ginger Industries

@RedwolfPrograms redwolf, can you break down the format of that url for me?

I need to know how to build one

for science

Redwolf Programs

data:text/html, is what's important, everything after that is just the page's HTML

mathcat

for science

Redwolf Programs

@RedwolfPrograms You should be able to paste normal HTML in and the browser will convert to % codes for you

You could also use JS's encodeURIComponent in the console to do it manually

Ginger Industries

@RedwolfPrograms Okay, so the data inside the list is the frames, and I can just change the 4 and 100 for number of frames and delay?

Redwolf Programs

20:02

Yep

Ginger Industries

noice

lets'a go

pxeger

@DLosc sure

Redwolf Programs

Okay, if I have Python 2 marked as a variant of Python, and Python 2.7 marked as a variant of Python 2, if I delete Python 2 should Python 2.7 be made a variant of Python, or become an "orphan"?

Ginger Industries

status update: I've gotten the "add frame" button to add a new input element, still no functionality

pxeger

@RedwolfPrograms the former

Redwolf Programs

20:10

Okay, and what if it was also marked as a variant of another language?

Actually I'm thinking I'll make two commands for this

pxeger

@thejonymyster this looks perfectly on-topic to me, I don't see what Fmbalbuena is talking about about

I'm not sure it's that interesting, because you can just submit x=>x<2 (assuming true==1 and false==0)

Redwolf Programs

Likely a misunderstanding/language barrier

caird coinheringaahing

Seems very trivial

pxeger

> This is off-topic and probably duplicate of another challenge

How can it be a duplicate of another challenge if it's off-topic?

The dupe would therefore also be off-topic

hyper-neutrino

@pxeger but what's the domain of inputs

pxeger

20:14

<10k

hyper-neutrino

it's underspecified and trivial but definitely not off-topic

emanresu A

^

@pxeger I was confused for a bit because I had my sandbox filter on

pxeger

@hyper-neutrino good point, I was just assuming nonnegative integers

Ginger Industries

trying to get it to remove frames

caird coinheringaahing

@pxeger SO has thousands of off-topic dupes :P

emanresu A

20:15

(Userscript of redwolf's that hides deleted sandboxed posts)

Luis Mendo

LOL @LeakyNun wrote a Pyth program in a Math.SE answer

Ginger Industries

frames can now be removed

mathcat

@pxeger I don't understand the challenge

pxeger

1. Choose two values to represent the Truthy and Falsey outputs to your program

mathcat

Oh

pxeger

20:19

2. Write a program that takes a value, and returns the Truthy value if the input is one of {the Truthy value, the Falsey value}

mathcat

that's ... a bit too trivial

user

@DLosc I'm kidding, I'm kidding

Ginger Industries

status update: HTML done

emanresu A

What's this for?

Ginger Industries

@emanresuA dancing emoji generator

Ginger Industries

20:50

and we're back

Ginger Industries

21:07

@RedwolfPrograms IT'S DONE! dancing-emoji.gingerindustries.repl.co

Redwolf Programs

It looks like your links are missing the data:text/html,<html style="white-space:pre-wrap"><meta charset=utf-8><script> prefix

Ginger Industries

oops

@RedwolfPrograms fixed

Redwolf Programs

>:|

Ginger Industries

:/

well, my job here is done

adios

user

@RedwolfPrograms Is this a one-off?

Luis Mendo

21:15

@U12-Forward Congrats!

user

Because I could totally see someone accidentally switching the answer keys for two questions

Oh wow, 38 hats, nearly all of them

Redwolf Programs

It's not a switched answer key, it just was extremely vague about what it wanted me to answer with

And I thought this was going to be human-graded

Fmbalbuena

21:59

How to get time complexity (pseudocode)?

user

Of what?

Fmbalbuena

pseudocode

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing Wyoming is too big for us, we're golfers, remember?

caird coinheringaahing

A good metric is to think about how long the list of things generated will be for a few inputs, and how that's related. e.g. if you calculate permutations of n items, you'll get n! outputs, so it's O(n!)

user

@Fmbalbuena Are you asking for some tool that finds the time complexity of any pseudocode or general techniques?

Fmbalbuena

22:03

@user yes, code or pseudocode please

user

That was not meant as an inclusive or lol

DLosc

CLS
?"⌐(▀_▀)⌐
SLEEP 1
CLS
?"¬(▀_▀)¬
SLEEP 1
RUN

QBasic, 47 bytes

Fmbalbuena

@user Python tool to find time complexity?

user

Oh, I don't think such a tool exists

caird coinheringaahing

Is that even possible, for any arbitrary algorithm?

Maybe, limit to halting algorithms

user

22:05

Wait, this might work for a limited number of programs

Found it on Quora, link was half broken, so idk if it's any good

One thing you could do is imagine that every line of your code increments some counter and then guess how the size of your input would affect the value of the counter at the end

@Fmbalbuena Here's one for Java

Same one I linked above

Okay this site is seriously cool

Fmbalbuena

@user I need for Python, Not Java

@DLosc Do You think you can do this in Pip?

DLosc

@Fmbalbuena No, because Pip doesn't support animation. I could output the strings, of course, but it wouldn't be animated.

Fmbalbuena

@DLosc do this, without animations

DLosc

22:21

@Fmbalbuena 25 bytes: W1P*"(■_■)"WR^"⌐¬"

user

22:38

@Fmbalbuena Surely you can translate your Python into Java

emanresu A

23:01

When Jelly has 666 starz

Redwolf Programs

@cairdcoinheringaahing Not really

I could imagine an algorithm that uses the collatz conjecture or something in some way

DLosc

Huh. Exactly three of these can be done in 3 bytes in Pip.

emanresu A

I'ma go make a version of that for Vyxal

Fmbalbuena

23:28

@user Infinite ingeger? Impossible

(Integer Overflow)

@DLosc Can i help you?

Any feedback?

caird coinheringaahing

23:50

@Fmbalbuena What's the point of Step 2?

Fmbalbuena

@cairdcoinheringaahing Check if the number of first Step is divisible by 3.

caird coinheringaahing

I know. But what if it isn't? Is the number not a Fmbalbuena number?

Fmbalbuena

@cairdcoinheringaahing See step 3

caird coinheringaahing

@Razetime 2nd and last step need to be true. — Fmbalbuena 12 hours ago

That should be part of the challenge

And I agree with thejonymyster's comment, that rewording is clearer

Fmbalbuena

@cairdcoinheringaahing ok

Redwolf Programs

23:59

CMQ: Opinions on the current NFT...what should I call it? Craze? Bubble? Hype?

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