The Nineteenth Byte

user

12:00 AM

@Bubbler DLosc had Blubber, which I'd say is pretty good

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms Australians need to replace G'day with G'Joink :P

lyxal

G'Joink mate, come and have a chin wag while I throw another shrimp on the barbie

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Redwolf Programs

Someday, maybe on April Fools' Day, I'mma go around saying "G'Joink" to random strangers

I'd enlist the help of some friends if I had any

Bubbler

@user Yeah, I ran a search and it's the only proper English word

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal It's like I'm in Sydney! :P

@Bubbler "Bubbler" might also be one: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubbler_(disambiguation)

Bubbler

12:06 AM

Well yeah, I mean not including the original

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing funny that, given JoKing is in Sydney :p

user

@lyxal English, please?

lyxal

@user hello there friend, let's have a pleasant conversation while I place another decapod crustacean on the barbecue

In 2 days time, I'll be the 3rd most frequent voter of all time

user

12:32 AM

Oh like an actual shrimp

@lyxal lyxal v. gnat showdown when?

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal I love the fact that when some of the Aussie players tried to sledge during the Ashes a few years back, they ended up just confusing the English players cause they had no idea what "chin wag" meant :P

lyxal

@user next year by my calculations

caird coinheringaahing

Oh fun, my and HN are exactly one total vote apart :P

And Erik has 4 more than HN, so there are 3 users within 5 votes of each other around 3700

Fmbalbuena

1:58 AM

    |\ /|
    /"^"\
    (0 0)
    \_*_/_________
      (          _^^,
      (_________) ( )
cat    |||   |||   "
       ||^   ||^
       ^^    ^^

^ how this works in Incident?

lyxal

TIL that "".join(s.split()) is a way to remove all whitespace from a string

Fmbalbuena

@lyxal Can you explain the incident code?

lyxal

I don't know incident

Fmbalbuena

@lyxal read this and explain

Bubbler

I guess it's fair to say no one on CGCC in 2022 knows how to read or write Incident

Fmbalbuena

2:08 AM

someone can learn?

Bubbler

It's that level of hard. I also tried to learn it but failed

Fmbalbuena

@Bubbler why?

lyxal

because it's part of the collection of ais523's esolangs

generally speaking, if it's an ais523 esolang, it's difficult as frick, but a work of art.

5

@mathcat no. I don't like that

I don't like that at all

gosh dang it.

Fmbalbuena

why CJam owner quit SE?

Bubbler

@Fmbalbuena It's somewhat similar to how bitwise cyclic tag is Turing-complete but you can't really use it for anything real

Fmbalbuena

2:13 AM

@Bubbler 11010101010101010101010101110100001010111111 And input 111111100111101

emanresu A

2:30 AM

Cursed language idea: Mathematical operations on integers are mutable, so log(x)++ multiplies x by e

hyper-neutrino

pls no

no

Fmbalbuena

sorry

@hyper-neutrino why?

CMC: find all character that appears more than 3 times

Redwolf Programs

@Fmbalbuena Moderation/RO tools shouldn't be used just for testing in a room for actual discussion

Fmbalbuena

@RedwolfPrograms ok

Redwolf Programs

We had a room where people could test RO tools, but there was an incident

Fmbalbuena

2:37 AM

@RedwolfPrograms incident programming language?

Redwolf Programs

Haha, but no :p

Didn't even think of the pun

Fmbalbuena

ok, which incident, ingroning incident, can you tell me what is incident, and i mean incident, not incident.

Redwolf Programs

It turns out if you give RO powers to everyone who asks for them, things get chaotic :p

So the room got renamed so many times and so many permissions changes occured it became basically unusable for testing

Fmbalbuena

4 mins ago, by Fmbalbuena

CMC: find all character that appears more than 3 times

^ 60066777th message and solve the challenge above

hyper-neutrino

while trying to find the testing room i came across another thing

redwolf remember that time we tried testing IP grabbing from SE chat :P

Redwolf Programs

2:42 AM

Yeah, why?

@Fmbalbuena x=>new Set(([...x].map((_,i)=>x.slice(i).match(/(.).*\1.*\1/g)||"")[0][0]))

Fmbalbuena

and Python 3?

emanresu A

Vyxal s, 6 bytes

hyper-neutrino

@RedwolfPrograms no particular reason I just saw it while going through the room list

Redwolf Programs

Oh lol

lyxal

@emanresuA wow that's better than my approach with the naive method: Ċ't2>;vt

hyper-neutrino

2:44 AM

anyway, the long story short of that room was it existed (I think I made it but I don't remember), we added a bunch of ROs, someone removed all of the other ROs and took over the room, i left it there cuz it was just a spam room which is perfectly fine, and then someone started saying really weird shit so I pre-emptively killed the room cuz it served no purpose and was getting close to getting TOS'd

Fmbalbuena

@emanresuA Try it Online! Explain guess.

Redwolf Programs

Fun fact: I made a chat program for my friends in 7th/8th grade, and I added a kick command. I forgot to make it mod-only. And it actually worked really well, people would kick each other for no reason on occasion, but if someone started kicking too many people, someone would log in on an alt and kick them

hyper-neutrino

convert to count map, for each pair, unstack, check if count > 2, and repeat the char based on if that's true or not

idk if jelly has a countmap function. might need to sort→RLE

Redwolf Programs

Would y'all say RLE is a useful built-in (assume a count-map built-in already exists)?

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino correct

Razetime

2:50 AM

@RedwolfPrograms rle is super useful in a few questions if you care about those #1s

Redwolf Programs

I feel like I always have too many array operators to fit, but never enough number ones

Razetime

@Fmbalbuena not exactly, it's not very array-y

Redwolf Programs

3:14 AM

Fun fact: Your eyes can transmit information at approx. 10 Mbps

Anyone wanna dig up some corpses and make the world's most terrifying Cat 5e cable?

Razetime

3:25 AM

sure

att

3:43 AM

@emanresuA not exactly (only affects Log of the value), but tio.run/##y00syUjNTSzJTE78/…

PyGamer0

4:13 AM

@user hence my mappings

and i use a terminal plugin that maps alt+ctrl+<hjkl> to move to and fro windows

@pxeger neovim on my computer is even slower :(

should probably get rid of some plugins

no; it is waiting for the UI, strange

managed to decrease it by 100 ms

emanresu A

4:46 AM

@Fmbalbuena very wrong

@att I did not know mathematica could do that.

PyGamer0

5:18 AM

ok so today in my computer class; sir is gonna teach us about the Scanner class

PyGamer0

5:38 AM

@PyGamer0 its boring :/

emanresu A

6:06 AM

This is cursed

All but the first search result are... what?

PyGamer0

7:31 AM

CMQ: Which keyboard layout do you use?

emanresu A

qwerty 'cos I'm lazy

Adám

7:54 AM

@PyGamer0 AltGrUK

pxeger

> Qey

Quay?

Razetime

@PyGamer0 accursed combo of apl altgr and BQN Xcompose

Adám

@pxeger "Key"

pxeger

you could use quay instead of "qey" for your mnemonic, because quay is actually a word, and is pronounced correctly

Adám

Good call.

emanresu A

8:22 AM

TIL Safari sometimes treats file:///users/host/… as https;//users/host/… which is a 404

pxeger

Safari seems to have a lot of URL parsing ~~bugs~~ features

mathcat

9:02 AM

@lyxal he he

I should have said future president.

PyGamer0

tmrw i gonna get vaccinated:)

CMQ: Lets say i have a file x with the following:

0.1  xx
0.2  xx
0.4  xx
0.6  xx
0.7  xx
0.8  xx
0.10 xx

using cat x | awk '{ print $1 }' i can get the first column,

pxeger

KLAXON that's a useless use of cat!

PyGamer0

i want to subtract 2 consecutive elements, using awk to generate:

0.0
0.1
0.2
0.2
0.1
0.1
0.2

@pxeger awk <commands> x?

ok so how do i do that

pxeger

awk 'commands' < x

PyGamer0

oh

also the actual file is generated from neovim --startuptime with the headers removed

emanresu A

9:13 AM

@PyGamer0 Vyxal, 1 byte: <overline character> which I can’t type on mobile :p

Razetime

user @recursive made a new text processing language instead of learning awk: munge

it's quite fun, i'd try a LoTM nomination

PyGamer0

basically i want 2-⍨/0,<data>

Razetime

i don't think pxeger gets apl

PyGamer0

i said CMQ, its not directed towards pxeger

@Razetime can you show an example?

Razetime

click on the ? link

Adám

9:22 AM

pxeger←apl

pxeger

@Razetime I don't need to, because I understand the english description and know the context of the task

emanresu A

APL is on my to learn list after Scala, J and currently add++

pxeger

and I can more or less work out what the APL does, although how does / work here?

emanresu A

/ is reduce, rught?

(or maybe scan)

Adám

Windowed reduce.

pxeger

9:27 AM

yeah I thought you'd need a cumulative reduce

oh windowed, is that because it's dyadic?

Adám

Yes. 2 selects window size.

The step size is always 1.

⍨ flips the argument order of -

So for a b c d we get (b-a)(c-b)(d-c)

0, injects a 0 before, to get (a-0)(b-a)(c-b)(d-c)

PyGamer0

i wrote good APL for once :P

emanresu A

@emanresuA Thing is, with Vyxal and Jelly 70% of the codepage is obscure golfy aliases. I’m worried that with APL, everything’s gonna be actually useful…

PyGamer0

@emanresuA but there isnt 256 commands

emanresu A

Doesn’t APL have a full codepage?

PyGamer0

9:41 AM

idk

awagga.github.io/dyalog/voc

^ i dont see 256 glyphs ○□○

~~i think some are missing~~ nvm

emanresu A

There’s ASCII

PyGamer0

oh but most of ascii are letters

emanresu A

Aren’t those variables?

PyGamer0

they can be used as identifiers

Adám

@emanresuA What does that mean?

emanresu A

9:48 AM

Nvm. o/

PyGamer0

o/

@Adám i think sbcs

Adám

Then yes and no. We have a legacy SBCS version, but the main product is Unicode-based, and has added new features using glyphs that are not in the legacy SBCS, which instead represent them as ⎕Uxxxx

PyGamer0

imma go try make md5 in C

pxeger

don't roll your own crypto

PyGamer0

10:05 AM

why?

Bubbler

10:16 AM

Well, it's a good exercise. The MD5 algorithm is written in C friendly way, and there's no problem as long as you don't use it for serious stuff

Anush

@pxeger The rule means don't make up your own method

@Bubbler what is the risk of using your own md5 implementation?

PyGamer0

@Anush exploiting

Bubbler

@Anush Correctness, maybe? MD5 itself is not recommended for actual security stuff but it's frequently used for quick checksum

Anush

@Bubbler yes there is a risk in md5 itself but I don't think that there is significant extra risk from using your own implementation

the problem would come if you invented BubblerHash and used that for your passwords

if you use md5 for password hashes I think the risk is actually very low

it is a little higher for signatures I think

PyGamer0

@Anush bubbler hash?

Anush

10:24 AM

@PyGamer0 the new hash scheme soon to be invented by Bubbler

PyGamer0

@Anush everyone knows real gamers use md5 for hashing jelly programs

Anush

@PyGamer0 doesn't that increase their length? :)

PyGamer0

but caird and hyper do that

In JHT

chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=md5&room=57815

Anush

what do they do exactly? I don't even know what JHT is. Jelly Hash Table?

oh I see. A form for bit commitment

PyGamer0

@Anush jelly hyper training

not jelly hash tables oof

its for learning jelly

Anush

10:28 AM

I worry about all these IQ points being used to study esolangs!

I am thinking of the future of the planet here

PyGamer0

eh its going to end in the distant future, dont worry

@Bubbler you live in the same time zone as @lyxal right?

lyxal

@PyGamer0 might as well enjoy the party of solving problems with obscure languages

@PyGamer0 wrong

Iirc I'm to the east of Bubbler

PyGamer0

oh

lyxal

Well there's like a 90% chance I'm to the east of anyone

Looks like bubbler is in utc+9

I'm in utc+10 for half the year and utc+11 for the other

Because that's the joys (/s on that) of daylight saving

PyGamer0

10:43 AM

@lyxal everyone lets move to NZ

Adám

I think everyone should follow Iceland's TZ year round.

lyxal

*looks outside window into the pitch black of night* yep looks like 10:45am to me!

Adám

11:05 AM

@lyxal Hey, what do you have against Olenegorsk‽

Sandbox Posts

11:33 AM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Generate Fmbalbuena Numbers My user id is 106959 How to check if the number is Fmbalbuena number? First step: get digits and count 106959, 6 Second step: Check if the number is divisible by 3? 6 = 2 * 3 Third step: Get first N / 3 digits 106959, 6 = 10 Fourth step: Split by half 6959 69 59 Last s...

Fmbalbuena

^ Any feedback?

user

12:28 PM

@hyper-neutrino Is this the one Lyxal took over?

@pxeger And I've been pronouncing it like "kway" this whole time

Razetime

@WheatWizard What would be a reason to develop a project in Curry instead of haskell? is haskell faster?

Wheat Wizard

GHC haskell is likely faster.

The curry compilers are more experimental maintained by smaller teams.

Ginger Industries

1:11 PM

I'm back

and I'm working on a new image-stegano challenge

Razetime

ah, i see

but they're still similar to some level

user

This one even compiles Curry to Haskell

Razetime

interesting

Razetime

1:28 PM

i think i;ll learn haskell golf first

wanna see what xnor is doing

Wheat Wizard

If you have questions about Haskell feel free to ask me.

hyper-neutrino

@user yes

Sandbox Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

High throughput prime numbers Generate a list of prime numbers in the range from 2 to 1 billion. The output of primes should be in decimal digits followed by a newline character (\n) in ascending order. You may not skip a prime number or output a composite number. Your program's running time will...

Ginger Industries

0

A: Hide a message in an image - Cops

Medium Image 1: explore the universe Image 2: no transparency? Image 3:

good luck

:)

Razetime

1:48 PM

@WheatWizard sure, thanks!

PyGamer0

@GingerIndustries the death stare :p

Ginger Industries

@PyGamer0 good luck

PyGamer0

oh so "good luck" is the answer?

Ginger Industries

@PyGamer0 no

also hold please, I'm making sure it's possible

PyGamer0

i am not going to crack it

too Hard for my little brain

Ginger Industries

1:53 PM

Okay, I need to make a small change to the images

Done

@PyGamer0 Be sure to redownload the images

PyGamer0

> i am not going to crack

Ginger Industries

just in case

Sandbox Posts

2:15 PM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Remove consistently dependent smaller integers Consider this nested array [[1,2,4],[1,2,3],[2,3]] In each subarray in which 1 appears, a 2 appears. You might say that 1's presence is dependent on 2's presence. The converse is not true, as 2 appears in a subarray without 1. Additionally, 3 is depe...

user

To all you cat people in here

4

Redwolf Programs

Still better than dogs

Y'know, some people keep cats specifically because they do kill various animals :p

Dogs just stink and look stupid

You wash them, and they smell like wet dog. By the time they dry, they've already rolled around in mud and sweat and whatever else they do and they stink again.

Razetime

i just don't get insulting dogs

Redwolf Programs

2:32 PM

For the last four weeks my sister's been dogsitting this extremely weird looking dog thing, it constantly barks at the literal wind, it messes with our cats to the point where it's been slapped by stormie (who has never once done anything of the sort), it gets fur all over the place, it makes weird noises at you whenever you're eating, and all sorts of other stuff

Neil

chess is a new tag? Nice, instant bronze badge (also for @Arnauld)

Redwolf Programs

Not a new tag, it likely just got to 40 questions

But I know it's been there for a while

@RedwolfPrograms Maybe it's better if your dog isn't a disgusting pig, but I've seen very few dogs who don't exhibit at least a couple of these behaviors

Wheat Wizard

I think you need 100 questions for bronze to be available.

Redwolf Programs

And people always talk about their "loyalty", but all that means is they either get awful separation anxiety and bark constantly when you're gone, or that the owners have never actually seen the dog around other people

user

Then both cats and dogs have their disadvantages

I say we banish both species off the Earth :P

Redwolf Programs

2:36 PM

E.g. the little disfigured monster we're dogsitting definitely isn't "loyal" to his owners, he was perfectly happy to act all cute around us as soon we were the ones holding the bag of food

Wheat Wizard

Cats are an ecological catastrophy wiping out entire species. I feel like dogs being needy is like a pretty small concern in comparison.

user

I would also suggest banishing humans from Earth, but I suspect most people won't be happy about that :P

^^ And we're kinda the cause of some problems dogs have

Redwolf Programs

Cats are great as pets, since they leave you alone for the most part.

They don't stink.

You don't have to worry about getting bit by your neighbor's cat when it barks at you 24/7.

Wheat Wizard

Cats do stink though?

Redwolf Programs

What?!

user

2:38 PM

Don't all animals stink?

Redwolf Programs

They clean themselves to the point they can chew all their fur off if they're stressed

I've never been able to smell a cat, but every dog has a very disgusting and noticeable "dog" smell

Wheat Wizard

Their fur just smells. It's very noticible if you have been around them.

Redwolf Programs

Cats always just smell very, very lightly of the environment they're in

I've never been able to smell a cat without intentionally trying very hard, and the ones I've smelled don't smell bad

And you don't need to wash them, either

Wheat Wizard

Most the time if I walk into someone's house I can tell if they have a cat or not from the smell.

Redwolf Programs

Probably smelling the litter box then

Wheat Wizard

2:41 PM

No the litter box and cat hair have different smells.

Redwolf Programs

Is smelling cat hair something only some people can do or something?

user

Maybe you're just used to it from having a cat?

Wheat Wizard

If you have a cat you might just not notice it because you are always around it.

Redwolf Programs

I'm trying to google for "what cats smell like" and everything I can find says they should not have a smell

If I get way up close to one of my cats and intentionally smell it, all I get is a very very very faint smell that I can't really describe but is not bad.

Wheat Wizard

I don't think cats smell very bad. They are a little musky is all.

Redwolf Programs

2:44 PM

Whereas a dog stinks horribly from like two feet away, and you can immediately tell if someone has one because their furniture is coated in dog fur and stinks like one

Unless you clean your dog all the time

PyGamer0

@user imo better idea would be to banish these Homo Sapiens, whatever they call them, out of this planet :P

Wheat Wizard

I don't think dogs smell all that bad either.

PyGamer0

nvm i got ninja'd

Redwolf Programs

And I'm not just not used to smelling dogs, I have one and have had to deal with her smell for the entirety of my life

Wheat Wizard

Maybe it's just your dog that stinks.

I would think there is some variance.

user

2:46 PM

Gottem :P

Redwolf Programs

And if dogs get mad/stressed they chew up all your furniture and bark at your neighbors 24/7

Wezl - a cautionary tale

weasels stink on purpose

Redwolf Programs

Cats quite often just scratch at furniture or chew on their fur, which are much more manageable

And barking/begging for food is just plain annoying, whereas (at least for the cats I and people I know have) cats don't meow very often and it's cute when they do (and when they beg they either just sit there and look adorable, or try to paw at your arms while you're eating which is doubly adorable)

user

That's pretty subjective

Pawing at your arms would be pretty annoying to me lol

Wezl - a cautionary tale

@RedwolfPrograms or block your path while you're carrying heavy or delicate objects, meowing adorably, wrapping around you, and tripping you

Redwolf Programs

2:52 PM

Okay that's annoying yeah, but I've heard that if you kind of push them aside, they don't take it personally since they know exactly what they're doing

New Posts

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Q: Find the maximum length in a ragged list

Given a ragged list of positive integers find the size of the largest list contained somewhere in it. For example: [1,[1,[8,2,[1,2],5,4,9]],2,[],3] Here the answer is 6 because one of the lists has 6 elements and all other lists have fewer. [1,[1,[8,2,[1,2],5,4,9]],2,[],3] ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^...

Redwolf Programs

But yeah it's still pretty subjective, since if there's still so many dog-supporters they must have some sort of redeeming qualities to them

Wezl - a cautionary tale

some people find loyalty a positive trait :P

user

Also, a big dog could be good for mauling thieves if you're worried about that :P

Redwolf Programs

> And people always talk about their "loyalty", but all that means is they either get awful separation anxiety and bark constantly when you're gone, or that the owners have never actually seen the dog around other people

Dogs being "loyal" will never be useful for 99% of people

And cats are just as loyal depending on how you look at it

user

2:56 PM

Cats being not as bad doesn't mean cats aren't bad too :P

Redwolf Programs

Both just do the loyalty thing for food

user

Don't we all

Redwolf Programs

So why's a cat any less loyal than a dog?

Wheat Wizard