The Nineteenth Byte

Thomas Ward

6:01 PM

appears and then waves

pxeger

\o

Aaroneous Miller

/o

Wezl - a cautionary tale

*wall falls on AaroneousMiller's head*

*pxeger's head falls on toppled wall*

pxeger

uh

Wezl - a cautionary tale

o/o: pxeger pushes wall onto AaroneousMiller's head

Aaroneous Miller

6:13 PM

@Wezl-acautionarytale That o: perfectly encapsulated my reaction when the wall hit me

caird coinheringaahing

So, back in 2015, when Trump running for president was still a joke, I signed up for his "election newsletter" thinking I'd unsubscribe once I got bored. Well, it's been 7 years, and I've tried unsubscribing from his shit 1000s of times, added anything that says "Trump" to my spam filter, and I still just got an email saying "Buy your Trump 2022 calendar now" ಠ_ಠ

hyper-neutrino

cuz obviously that's a great way to get people to want to support you and not hate you

caird coinheringaahing

Hmm, I'm not sure if I should vote for A or B. Well, A spams me with hundreds of emails a day asking for donations, so... yep, A it is

Wezl - a cautionary tale

o\o: revenge; oø: bad colision detection

4

pxeger

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'm pretty sure B does the same (maybe with less deception ("[politician] personally asked me to make sure you donate so you can be in [pronoun] hall of fame!"))

rues

6:18 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing Well now you’re honor bound to come over to the US and commit voter fraud to get Trump electrd

Wezl - a cautionary tale

Hello, rues. You seem familiar somehow. Have we met?

rues

Not at all

However, you may be confusing me with user. Great guy, just as brilliant and awesome as I am

Also, I am mildly scared of tour name

pxeger

@Wezl-acautionarytale what happened to funny CSS bio?

you had the most mildly amusing bio on this whole site!

Wezl - a cautionary tale

Wezl (2021 - 2021) golfed to death ∎

Weasels use typographical tombstones rather than slabs of stone

pxeger

"thus it has been proven"

what has been proven?

it has been proven that Wezl was not immortal?

Wezl - a cautionary tale

6:26 PM

@pxeger CSS is now obsolete. Hover text is the one true way to style text

@pxeger Is that a compliment or an insult? Everyone else had a more severely amusing bio...

@pxeger It has been proven that Wezl is dead using the circular method :P

Weasels can do that because they can ∎

caird coinheringaahing

@pxeger Please tell me, where is this "pronoun hall of fame"? I wish to visit and see all the most famous pronouns :P

Redwolf Programs

6:42 PM

It's in the pronoun museum, by the "they/them through the ages" exhibit

Just turn left when you pass the "all the times you've accidentally called a stranger 'mom'" display

(wait, is "mom" a pronoun? I suppose it could sort of be...)

I'd love to see this remade in 2021

caird coinheringaahing

It has a not-insignificant area for Myspace. Yeah, it needs updating :P

Sandbox Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Construct a Heptagon avoiding compass use A while back I asked you to construct a pentagon avoiding compass use. Now flawr suggested: Next time you should ask people to draw a heptagon, which would be slightly more challenging:) This is of course a joke, because if you didn't already know it i...

caird coinheringaahing

> Isle of teenagers who just discovered macroeconomics

That seems... oddly specific

Redwolf Programs

A map of SE would be cool too

I mean the sizes aren't going to be particularly surprising, but the way they're shaped/arranged could be neat

pxeger

@cairdcoinheringaahing unfortunately people tend to reuse the same pronouns on multiple websites, so there are too few pronouns to make a good museum exhibit

caird coinheringaahing

6:54 PM

That's just a giant landmass labelled "SO", a small area labeled "Math.SE" and the rest of the network on some tiny island

pxeger

if we can get everyone to start using a gender manager to generate random secure genders, it might work

Redwolf Programs

> Random secure genders

Reminds me of "secure fonts" lol

caird coinheringaahing

@pxeger Unfortunately, in order for you to know my gender, I'd have to reveal my private key, and that's a security risk

Grain Ghost

@cairdcoinheringaahing Have you heard of Diffie Hellman?

pxeger

@cairdcoinheringaahing I thought we'd managed to establish that gender was not (entirely) correlated to your private parts?

(sorry)

caird coinheringaahing

6:57 PM

@GrainGhost Thanks to Google, I have now

Redwolf Programs

@pxeger Wait, if there's also a public key, and we're using "key" to mean...

Thomas Ward

SIGKILL's @RedwolfPrograms 's brain thinking process

pxeger

@ThomasWard kill: illegal pid: init

caird coinheringaahing

Just press Ctrl-C on Redowlf :P

Thomas Ward

that's a SIGINT

pxeger

6:58 PM

oops, looks like someone made RedwolfPrograms the root of all other people again

Thomas Ward

SIGKILL is more forceful

Redwolf Programs

@cairdcoinheringaahing No all it does is copy any parts of me that are highlighted

pxeger

@lyxal, the hivemind is leaking!!!!

caird coinheringaahing

Crap, now I need to draw on you to copy you? Ugh

pxeger

@cairdcoinheringaahing yeah, Linux has been copy-on-write for ages!

caird coinheringaahing

6:59 PM

@ThomasWard They both start with "SIG", that's good enough for me :P

Redwolf Programs

Just please don't use Ctrl+X it hurts

pxeger

@cairdcoinheringaahing Special Interest Group KILL

Thomas Ward

grins evilly

executes Ctrl+X on @RedwolfPrograms for science

Wezl - a cautionary tale

@cairdcoinheringaahing try highlighter paintball

caird coinheringaahing

And Special Interest Group Intelligence :P

pxeger

7:01 PM

@ThomasWard SIGSTOP might be more humane

you can SIGCONT again if you determine there was a mistrial

Redwolf Programs

Why don't you just find whatever hardware I'm running on and turn it off and back on

Or just delete my source code and do what I did with NP/SP that one time

Thomas Ward

locates @RedwolfPrograms 's hardware and turns it off

forgets to turn it back on

Redwolf Programs

Delete the source code, panic, find an ACE vulnerability in the running copy and use it to recover the source code from RAM

Which is one of my proudest accomplishments lol

Thomas Ward

lol

Aaroneous Miller

> Delete the source code, panic
one of my proudest accomplishments

caird coinheringaahing

7:05 PM

This is Redwolf talking :P

Aaroneous Miller

lol

Redwolf Programs

I delete lots of things by accident

The xkcds in the 700s and 800s have some really good ones that I haven't read in a while

This xkcd (mostly the title text) reminds me of that experiment where they did machine learning stuff my changing the gates in an FPGA, then tried to port the program to another FPGA and realized it only worked because it had learned to work around a manufacturing flaw in the first FPGA. The old person in the xkcd figures out how to do something, the incorrect way for anyone else, but they've "programmed" themselves to work with that.

emanresu A

@RedwolfPrograms Agreed

I went through all of them once then got bored and now I just read the new ones

Redwolf Programs

The one with the squirrel saying "Listen. I wouldn't worry about that." is pure gold.

emanresu A

o/

Redwolf Programs

7:20 PM

o/

Wezl - a cautionary tale

> The old person

Redwolf Programs

Well yes what am I supposed to call them lol

pxeger

@Wezl-acautionarytale I meant everyone else had an unamusing or less amusing bio, while yours was way up at mildly amusing

Wezl - a cautionary tale

@RedwolfPrograms well the xkcd says "relatives"

Redwolf Programs

Well I doubt he's referring to his siblings or their children

If he has those

pxeger

7:23 PM

what's the best way to rotate your monitor for programming?

Redwolf Programs

(Although I typically associate "relatives" with aunts/uncles/grandparents)

caird coinheringaahing

@pxeger I usually turn off the screen lock on my phone

Wezl - a cautionary tale

@RedwolfPrograms I'm guessing most minors do that as well

or, if you want, "inexperienced people" :P

> no longer need to worry about that pesky 80 column limit. (pxeger's linked page)

*reacts in a way that expresses dislike*

Redwolf Programs

If any lines of my code are under 160 characters I have failed

Wezl - a cautionary tale

*defends 80 column line limit*

Redwolf Programs

7:31 PM

If any text editors I use have that 80-column vertical line, I destroy those pixels of my screen with a screwdriver and a hammer

pxeger

@Wezl-acautionarytale where's this from?

Wezl - a cautionary tale

right above section "How do I do this"

pxeger

oh I see, the (pxeger's linked page) wasn't part of the quote

Redwolf Programs

I wish that page wasn't blocked by my school wifi so I could discuss this with y'all, whatever it is

Wezl - a cautionary tale

pesky markdown, not allowing <aside>s :P

pxeger

7:34 PM

character limit should be about 100 IMO)

Wezl - a cautionary tale

80 is about perfect for me

Redwolf Programs

I disagree with character limits for lines

Wezl - a cautionary tale

+ it's already somewhat established

Redwolf Programs

It's an arbitrary metric

Wezl - a cautionary tale

I disagree with Redwolf

perhaps it's arbitrary, but it's helpful to have a limit

Redwolf Programs

7:35 PM

It forces you to do weird stuff sometimes, which is less readable than just doing stuff the right way

@Wezl-acautionarytale Why?

Wezl - a cautionary tale

but doing something the 160-column way is less readable

Redwolf Programs

Either you use wrapping, and it doesn't matter whatsoever, or you don't, and you need to scroll for some especially long lines

But having to do things like this is pure evil, and the 80-column limit encourages it:

Wezl - a cautionary tale

If you don't have a line length llimit, there's no reason to separate code into lines at all

pxeger

@RedwolfPrograms gist.github.com/234601487ce4190da4b5a212bdc8eb28

Redwolf Programs

var x = string.replace(/a/g, "b")
              .replace(/c/g, "d")
              .replace(/f/g, "g")
              .replace(/i/g, "k")
              .replace(/n/g, "o")
              .replace(/p/g, "q")
              .replace(/r/g, "s")
              .replace(/t/g, "u");

pxeger

7:37 PM

dammit, that didn't work!

Redwolf Programs

@Wezl-acautionarytale Uh...not true?

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

@RedwolfPrograms maybe try a free vpn they haven't blocked?

Redwolf Programs

It makes it more readable

Readability is quite often like the second or third most important thing

Wezl - a cautionary tale

which is more readable:

Thomas Ward

the Rosetta Stone, or this hammer that says "AAAAAAA" on it

points at the hammer that :)

yawns hello TNB

Wezl - a cautionary tale

7:39 PM

var x = string.replace(/a/g, "b").replace(/c/g, "d").replace(/f/g,
"g").replace(/i/g, "k").replace(/n/g, "o").replace(/p/g, "q").replace
(/r/g, "s").replace(/t/g, "u");

Redwolf Programs

Hi!

Wezl - a cautionary tale

or

var x = string.replace(/a/g, "b").replace(/c/g, "d").replace(/f/g,
"g").replace(/i/g, "k").replace(/n/g, "o").replace(/p/g, "q").replace
(/r/g, "s").replace(/t/g, "u");

Thomas Ward

those're the same string

Redwolf Programs

Those are both garbage (but they're identical I think you messed up the formatting)

Wezl - a cautionary tale

the first one is a single line, wrapped by the editor

Thomas Ward

7:40 PM

chat doesn't adhere to your restrictions buddy, so your formatting is messed.

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

i think this falls under 'if your lines are that long you're doing something wrong period'

Thomas Ward

here i'll give you a real life example of code comparison without linebreaks

Redwolf Programs

^^

Thomas Ward

digs hard in his older code banks

Redwolf Programs

If your lines are long enough an 80-character limit changes anything, you need to rethink it

pxeger

7:40 PM

if you use logical line breaks you get nice clean diffs as well

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

like the whole line-wrap thing shouldn't be relevant most of the time since it fucks with readability in terms of 'what the hell is going on in this line' or it should be split up

Redwolf Programs

All 80-characters does is either 1. let people justify making lines as long as possible up to that limit or 2. make you wrap stuff when it shouldn't be wrapped

Wezl - a cautionary tale

@RedwolfPrograms right, and an 80-character limit is a way of reminding you to rethink it

Redwolf Programs

Either the most readable method is making a short line or a long line, and 90% of the time it's a short one, but we humans are smart enough to figure that out without a hard limit

pxeger

@Rɪᴋᴇʀ I just hate it when I write a line consisting only of

x = "a string that is only slightly long. There is no cognitive overload in seeing this on the screen, and yet linters still won't accept it."

Redwolf Programs

7:42 PM

^

Wezl - a cautionary tale

we can all hate linters together

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

80 is somewhat overkill imo but its a good guideline, it just dies very quickly when you consider actual complex code with indenting

Thomas Ward

@RedwolfPrograms i mean, PEP8 at one point allowed teams who agreed to longer line lengths to be 100-120 characters and thereby override linting

Redwolf Programs

80 is fine as a guideline, not as a rule

Thomas Ward

the teams I work with we have a 100-char-line max

but i usually use 80

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

7:42 PM

no, we can agree that linters are sometimes annoying. ppl who say 'yeah i hate linters' almost invariably have awful code

yeah 100 is normal for me

Wezl - a cautionary tale

@RedwolfPrograms yeah, this is probably the best choice

Redwolf Programs

There should never be a line length limit

Thomas Ward

@Rɪᴋᴇʀ now, if you're using a linter for other follies in coding that's a different story

Redwolf Programs

@RedwolfPrograms But a guideline or soft limit is perfectly okay I suppose

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

@ThomasWard ?

Thomas Ward

7:43 PM

@Rɪᴋᴇʀ pylint for instance finds other improvements or messups against standard python standards of coding and behavior

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

(to be fair - most of my experience with linters is just, clang's existence for building C code, plus linting the occasional java projcet)

Wezl - a cautionary tale

I still think 80 is better than 100 or 120 or whatever

Redwolf Programs

I left my code under a couch for a few months and it got all dusty, a linter really came in handy there

Thomas Ward

@Wezl-acautionarytale it's a subjective opinion based on anyone's specific opinion or team requirements.

but arguing your case is going to be futile :)

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

@ThomasWard ah i always thought that was a weird concept re: pylint. 'pythonic' ways of doing things are often elegant but honestly not worth rearranging my code for

Redwolf Programs

7:44 PM

I think a 2-char line limit is best

Wezl - a cautionary tale

@ThomasWard also my screen width :P

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

homie if ur screen is 80 characters wide please get a new one

Wezl - a cautionary tale

of course you could store code in memory minified and use structured editing stuff

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

(but yeah, my 80x25 terminal does appreciate line wrapping. see vim)

@Wezl-acautionarytale ???? but why

Wezl - a cautionary tale

~ $ tput cols
226

pxeger

7:45 PM

my terminal fits exactly two 100-char wide lines side-by-side on my horizontal monitors

and my vertical monitors fit a little over 100 characters wide

therefore 100 is the best line width

Thomas Ward

looks at his dual 4k monitors which can hold tons of columns

Wezl - a cautionary tale

mine can fit that, but 80 chars is better because it's more established (and you can use a slightly bigger font size)

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

if you need to zoom u need to get glasses or get closer to the screen

pxeger

terminals don't really zoom, you just change the font size

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

is that not zoom lol

pxeger

7:48 PM

I have mine at 11pt

Wezl - a cautionary tale

yeah that's what I meant

pxeger

@Rɪᴋᴇʀ no, because terminals don't have some absolute font size defined like (e.g.) HTML does, so there'd be no 100% zoom point

Wezl - a cautionary tale

@Rɪᴋᴇʀ for zooming, the application still thinks the terminal is a specific width

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

@Wezl-acautionarytale ah, that makes sense

@pxeger what cursed terminals don't??

Wezl - a cautionary tale

actual zooming in terminals is probably always a bad idea

pxeger

7:50 PM

@Rɪᴋᴇʀ I mean standardly; you configure your font size

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

ah. i don't know what terminals would make a distinction between changing the font size and ctrl + changing the font size

pxeger

none, although ctrl++ or ctrl+- normally changes it temporarily compared to actually reconfiguring it

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

ya i consider that the same thing lol

caird coinheringaahing

8:16 PM

I step away to do some linalg homework, and return to all this fighting over line lengths, honestly :P

Besides, y'all are thinking about this the wrong way: if your code is ever close to 80 bytes long, it's too long

nuke pls

Wezl - a cautionary tale

@cairdcoinheringaahing close meaning within what?

caird coinheringaahing

Idk, around 80 bytes or longer :P

Wezl - a cautionary tale

My hobby: purposely interpreting what people say as what it means :P

caird coinheringaahing

Guess you can't do that here, given that none of us "say" anything - it's all text

Aaroneous Miller

@cairdcoinheringaahing Enables text-to-speech

Wezl - a cautionary tale

8:22 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing I know when I am defeated. *kneels*

caird coinheringaahing

@AaroneousMiller Ah but then I didn't say it, your tts software did :P

Wezl - a cautionary tale

hey, tts software is people too

pxeger

Is there any golfier way to do the cartesian product of the same list several times in Jelly? I've got ẋŒp

Aaroneous Miller

38 secs ago, by Wezl - a cautionary tale

@cairdcoinheringaahing I know when I am defeated. *kneels*

hyper-neutrino

@pxeger cartesian power?

pxeger

8:23 PM

yeah that's what I mean

I couldn't find it because I didn't know that name for it

hyper-neutrino

ah

Wezl - a cautionary tale

@RedwolfPrograms that case is more readable than squashing it onto one line. You can easily spot the pattern. Besides, the reason it takes >80 columns is because it's bad code

Redwolf Programs

Oh interesting, there's been two major Ammonium Nitrate explosions in Texas

That's what was confusing me, I knew there was a major one, but I wasn't exactly sure how it both happened in 1947 and in recent memory

@RedwolfPrograms That's more than anywhere else in the world

In fact, the only two major AN explosions in the US were in TX

In all of the Americas, actually

Bows and accepts award for two horrific tragedies in the same geographic location

DLosc

8:43 PM

@RedwolfPrograms And you call yourself a code golfer?? /s

Redwolf Programs

I'm kidding of course

My lines are an equal mix of three and four hundred characters

Not three hundred and four hundred, three, and four hundred

DLosc

@Wezl-acautionarytale I don't hate linters. I never use them. :P

Wezl - a cautionary tale

I just hate linters that don't work

DLosc

Okay, I need some JavaScript/CSS help please :P

Redwolf Programs

Ooh

I can help!

Probably

caird coinheringaahing

8:50 PM

@DLosc Step 1: Stop using JS and start using a sensible language :P

DLosc

I'm working on my HBL online interpreter (https://dloscutoff.github.io/hbl/) and I want it to do this when the Run button is clicked:
1. Disable the Run button (applying CSS to change the background color and the cursor)
2. Execute the HBL code and display the result
3. Re-enable the Run button

Redwolf Programs

Use the disabled attribute, first of all

DLosc

runBtn.disabled = true;
setTimeout(() => {
    var result = runHBL(code, codeFormat, args, debug);
    resultArea.value = result;
    runBtn.disabled = false;
}, 0);

is what I have for JS

Wezl - a cautionary tale

then you can use #runBtn:disabled { background-color: /*different*/ } for CSS

Redwolf Programs

@DLosc This looks good, what's the problem with it?

I'd put some async in there if possible

DLosc

8:53 PM

.button:disabled, .button[disabled] {
    cursor: wait;
    background-color: #aaa;
}

is what I'm trying for CSS

but it only updates the background color, not the cursor type

Redwolf Programs

Is wait a valid cursor on your machine?

DLosc

Yes. Is it not generally applicable?

I'd actually prefer a regular arrow cursor, but I couldn't find it in the list of possible values for the cursor property

Redwolf Programs

initial

pxeger

default?

Redwolf Programs

You might have a more specific cursor somewhere

DLosc

8:56 PM

@RedwolfPrograms Thanks CSS, very intuitive :P

@RedwolfPrograms I do:

.button {
    cursor: pointer;
    border: solid;
    border-width: 1px;
    border-color: #444;
    margin: 0px 4px 4px;
    padding: 4px 8px;
    text-align: center;
    font-size: 16px;
    font-weight: bold;
}

Redwolf Programs

@DLosc initial is allowed for most properties, actually

pxeger

@DLosc .button should be less specific than .button:disabled, .button[disabled], so that shouldn't override it

Redwolf Programs

@DLosc If initial works but wait doesn't, it's an issue with the wait cursor. Try it on a random div somewhere

DLosc

@RedwolfPrograms It doesn't. Same lack of cursor change.

Redwolf Programs

Oh

DLosc

8:58 PM

The cursor does, however, change if I also change the font-family.

Redwolf Programs

I have to go to class now though, sorry

pxeger

@DLosc that sounds like a bug or a platform-specific idiocy

are you using a mac?

(it has a lot of platform-specific idocies)

DLosc

@pxeger Windows 10

And Chrome

pxeger

huh

DLosc

Oh wow--whatever I did, Firefox really doesn't like it. The Run button isn't working at all.

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

9:01 PM

does console have errors?

DLosc

Ach, I see what it is. FF isn't smart enough to realize that I've only changed the query string when I do history.pushState with an absolute URL, so it blocks the operation. :/

Aaroneous Miller

@DLosc For the run button on the Vyxal interpreter, clicking it adds the fa-spin class that makes it do its spinning animation, and it disables the run button by just saying "Do the stuff that run button is supposed to do iff it doesn't have the fa-spin class"

pxeger

@DLosc I'd call that cautious, not "not smart enough". URL parsing bugs are a horrible way to get a uXSS

DLosc

Okay, it looks like the cursor not changing is Chrome-specific.

Or maybe I should say Chromium-specific. Edge does the same thing.

@AaroneousMiller I thought about that too, but setting the button to disabled and using the :disabled CSS selector feels like the "right" way to do it. (Also, I think it was still having the same error when I was using a .disabled class, though I can't say for sure that I did everything exactly the same.)

Aaroneous Miller

9:18 PM

lol imagine coding the "right" way. This post made by code golf gang

DLosc

Nah, you gotta code your interpreters the "right" way so the horrible coding shortcuts you build into your golfing language work the way they're supposed to.

Aaroneous Miller

Looks nervously at failed Vyxal cleanup

DLosc

Don't say "failed," say "incomplete." There's always time to clean up more. Rolls eyes in general direction of Pip interpreter

Aaroneous Miller

No, we tried to clean up Vyxal's code and structure, and it caused a lot of fires and pretty much every part of Vyxal broke, so we rolled back to before the cleanup, and instead decided to rewrite Vyxal from scratch, which we just finished a few days ago

DLosc

Ah, I see. Didn't realize the cleanup and the rewrite were two different things.

Aaroneous Miller

9:29 PM

@DLosc Yeah, the failed cleanup prompted the rewrite

that's why the two sites are running 2.4.1 and 2.6. The cleanup was 2.5, which went really badly

the cleanup also prompted us to make a version of Vyxal that is guaranteed to be completely free of bugs: github.com/Vyxal/Vyxal/tree/no-bugs

DLosc

@AaroneousMiller Legend says Vyxal 2.5 exists in the same alternate universe as Windows 9 :P

hyper-neutrino

yeah basically vyxal started out as a project of lyxal's and as more people started participating and adding things on eventually it just got too disorganized and when we tried to clean it up everything just completely exploded

lyxal

Exactly

Man our first code clean up was an absolute mess and went extremely horribly

DLosc

See, that's why I implement all my languages by myself /hj

hyper-neutrino

so we decided to take a step back from the code and look at the whole project and realize we needed to reorganize the whole thing to handle this many contributors working on it, and i think lyxal did a good job recognizing that it wasn't working anymore because of how much it'd grown and getting a good structure down so we could all work together instead of blowing things up because nobody's on the same page xD

lyxal

9:33 PM

> The code clean up made everything a big mess. That isn't anyone's fault. The code just wasn't suited to such a big change. It's more my fault for not organising it properly. I'm sorry for the confusion and miscommunications that happened during the whole process - it all went so fast, and I barely have any experience with managing a somewhat large scale project.

from the readme during the second rewrite

Basically we just don't talk about any version related to 2.5 :p

New Posts

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Q: Are these the basis vectors?

A basis of a vector space \$V\$ is a set of vectors \$B\$ such that every vector \$\vec v \in V\$ can be uniquely written as a linear combination of the vectors in \$B\$. In other words, let \$B = \{\vec b_1, \dots, \vec b_n\}\$ be a basis of some vector space \$V\$. For every possible \$\vec v ...

lyxal

@NewPosts I dunno.... I'm tempted to say no on this one.

DLosc

inb4 MATL has a builtin

caird coinheringaahing

@NewPosts What's the point of doing a maths degree if you don't get the write questions based on what you learn? :P

Also, my linalg homework had a whole bunch of "is this a basis of this vector space?" questions, so :P

lyxal

I wonder if Sympy has a built-in for that

hyper-neutrino

9:40 PM

wait by "output whether or not B forms a basis for v" do you just mean "is there exactly one linear combination of vectors in B that equals v"?

ah seems that is what you mean

i'm used to seeing "is B a basis for <vector space>" not a vector lol

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms remind me never to let you touch the vyxal repo :p

@DLosc have you tried using jquery?

Fmbalbuena

@lyxal you changed the avatars of almost all.

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

@cairdcoinheringaahing lmao yeah i saw this and immediately went "hm. i feel like somebody has been doing too much linalg"

and wow what a shocker, octave is good. i should see howj ulia can do it

caird coinheringaahing

11:15 PM

Ooh nice, I'm one upvote away from repcapping for the first time since September :P

Fmbalbuena

@cairdcoinheringaahing wdym?

Unrelated String

nice

caird coinheringaahing

Uni has definitely taken a hit on my activity here :P

lyxal

lol no one upvote caird for the next 44 minutes ;p

caird coinheringaahing

@Fmbalbuena "repcapping" means hitting the daily reputation cap - you can only earn a max of 200 rep from votes and edits each day. I've earned 190 rep today, so am one upvote away from that cap. I haven't hit it since Sep 1st, mainly cause uni has taken up a lot of my time

Fmbalbuena

11:18 PM

ok

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal But then how else will I become an additional 1/150th Legendary-er? :P

Fmbalbuena

11:31 PM

CMQ: What does flatten mean?

@pxeger your site (jht.xyz don't work)?

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

why do you always ask those as 'chat mini questions' or whatever? just ask "does anybody know what flatten means?"

they're not quizzes or mini golfs or anything

Alan Bagel

@Fmbalbuena convert something like [[1, 2, 3], [4, 5, 6]] to [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6]

Fmbalbuena

sorry i understand what does CMQ: mean

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

also there's something to be said for googling your question, like this

Fmbalbuena

ok thx @Rɪᴋᴇʀ

ɪdᴋ

@lyxal How to join lang jam?

lyxal

11:42 PM

I think you go to the discord server and find a team

I don't really know lol

Fmbalbuena

i want to make team single.

@lyxal oh sorry i mean add a lang to lang ham.

hyper-neutrino

@Fmbalbuena i don't think that's meant to be a site

the JHT site is mine, and it's at jht.hyper-neutrino.xyz

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

@Fmbalbuena did you read the readme? link

Fmbalbuena

@Rɪᴋᴇʀ yes but i don't undestand

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

> Each team will submit a PR that will create a directory named after their language which includes the project source code, build instructions, documentation, and any presentation about the language ... the PR for each project needs to be submitted before the end of the jam.

Fmbalbuena

11:48 PM

oh mean jelly hyper neutrino

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

JHT is "jelly hypertraining", and hyperneutrino invented it iirc

if you want to find a group they have a discord. otherwise you just make a language and submit it, read the whole readme

Fmbalbuena

oh sorry

hyper-neutrino

no, jelly hyper-training was invented for me, not by me :P

it was created by Erik and Kenny when I was first learning jelly

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

ah, cool

erik left during the monica events, right?

hyper-neutrino

yes

Fmbalbuena

11:51 PM

hyper-neutrino ⯁ [λ] Fake mod message

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

??

hyper-neutrino

and leaky is not very active on cgcc anymore and so the JHT room was given to me and xcoder as ROs, and I recently (by which i mean 8 months ago) added a few more active people as ROs (unrelated string, caird)

Fmbalbuena

leaky user site in cgcc?

hyper-neutrino

i only named the site JHT because i couldn't think of anything better really and JHT is immediately recognizable as resource for jelly, and learning it specifically

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

leaky nun is a user on this site yes (same person as 'kenny', changed username)

xcoder is inactive now too right? or just doesn't join chat much

Fmbalbuena

11:52 PM

but uhh site?

hyper-neutrino

I have no idea what you're asking

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

^

hyper-neutrino

@Rɪᴋᴇʀ I don't think they're active on either; they've been around both here and JHT every now and then but not very active

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

rip :/

Fmbalbuena

like xcoder

Mr. Xcoder

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hyper-neutrino

11:53 PM

i've seen leaky here a few times too but quite occasionally IIRC (maybe I just am not there when they show up), but not in JHT i think

@Fmbalbuena oh are you asking for a profile link for leaky nun? you could just look it up you know that right

Leaky Nun

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Rɪᴋᴇʀ

wait, are we allowed to output via generators/iterators instead of strings in python? i feel like i've seen it a couple times now but i'ts not on accepted IO methods

context

Fmbalbuena

ok but:

> Calendar Member for 5 years, 11 months Clock Last seen this week

> Last seen this week

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

yeah kenny is still active

xcoder seems to be sporadically around just like HN said

Fmbalbuena

but why don't join TNB

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

kenny is literally in this chat right now. he was probably reading this conversation considering 'seen 51 seconds ago'