The Nineteenth Byte

Redwolf Programs

00:07

I uh...don't think I labeled this map correctly

lyxal

well duh of course it's incorrect

you're missing freehand red circles

rak1507

@RedwolfPrograms oui

lyxal

here I fixed it for you

Adám

@Fmbalbuena X,x,ˣ,ᛪ,ᶍ,Ẋ,ẋ,Ẍ,ẍ,ₓ,⌧,⒳,Ⓧ,ⓧ,⮾,⮿,ㄒ,ꭖ,ꭗ,ꭘ,ꭙ,Ｘ,ｘ,𐊜,𐊴,𐝎,𒒫,𖹘,𖹸,𛰁,𝐗,𝐱,𝑋,𝑥,𝑿,𝒙,𝒳,𝓍,𝓧,𝔁,𝔛,𝔵,𝕏,𝕩,𝖃,𝖝,𝖷,𝗑,𝗫,𝘅,𝘟,𝘹,𝙓,𝙭,𝚇,𝚡,🄧,🅇,🅧,🆇,🇽

Fmbalbuena

@Adám or % is better.

Adám

00:13

% is not an X.

Fmbalbuena

% looks like X

Adám

% looks more like 0⁄0

Fmbalbuena

@lyxal do you like my programming language

Adám

Does % look more like 0⁄0 or ⁰⁄₀?

Fmbalbuena

@Adám the explanation were taken from esolangs.org

lyxal

00:15

@Fmbalbuena looks good!

Adám

@Fmbalbuena So?

Fmbalbuena

@lyxal the meaning of NLRNIS Is No loop recursion, Neither if statements.

@lyxal Do you like to learn the basics?

lyxal

sure

Unrelated String

i would like to suggest some
refactoring
in the interpreter

lyxal

@UnrelatedString what tf is wrong with your newlines?

Unrelated String

00:19

like that is a lot of global state

rak1507

@UnrelatedString oh wow... yes

I agree :P

Unrelated String

@lyxal screenshot? nothing looks weird on my end

lyxal

rak1507

maybe it was a poem

it's like a haiku but with wrong syllables

Unrelated String

@rak1507 i can't actually tell but i think all of the commands are implemented as boolean flags that update every step and are executed in a chain of if-elifs?

@lyxal that looks the same as on my end

Fmbalbuena

00:21

@lyxal the >#Hello, World is equivalent to pseudo code # = "Hello, World!" and # is outputted when the programs halts

lyxal

@UnrelatedString yeah but why is it split over 3 lines?

Unrelated String

the newlines represent emphatic pauses

Fmbalbuena

@UnrelatedString maybe you edited and pressed shift+newline

lyxal

@UnrelatedString gee you like emphatic pauses then.

2 days ago, by Unrelated String

oh yeah are all of the vector builtins only for vectors
like you just can't have other iterable types it's just vectors

like that

those don't seem like emphatic pauses

Redwolf Programs

They do to me, actually

Fmbalbuena

00:25

CMQ: Do i post "tips for golfing in x" to sandbox?

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms so send them as separate messages then

Redwolf Programs

@Fmbalbuena You only need one of those for pretty large languages

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms *laughs in Keg not being a pretty large language*

Redwolf Programs

Eh, but it's also not under a week old with one answer so far :p

Unrelated String

i would also recommend developing strong documentation first if nothing else

rak1507

00:26

@RedwolfPrograms they might've meant for a different lang

Redwolf Programs

Oh, true

Fmbalbuena

CMQ: What is pretty large language?

Redwolf Programs

What do you mean?

Fmbalbuena

@RedwolfPrograms this

rak1507

more than X users for a sufficiently large X (>1000 at least)

:59623874 you said 'pretty large languages'

actually >1000 is probably not required, either popular/mainstream or common on CGCC like jelly

Redwolf Programs

00:30

1000? I'd say 10 is large here lol

rak1507

yeah, I was just thinking in terms of a more mainstream language, but for CGCC ones that's obviously unrealistic

Redwolf Programs

@Fmbalbuena Large enough that there's more than a couple regular users, and golfing tips are actually useful (e.g., "tips for golfing in [a brainfuck derivative]" or "tips for golfing in HQ9+" wouldn't be needed)

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms *laughs in Tips for Golfing in Symja which no one here uses*

Fmbalbuena

@lyxal do you wan't to learn NLRNIS but different room.

lyxal

sure

Bubbler

00:33

Tips for golfing in X are usually OK to post to main, regardless of popularity

assuming X is interesting enough to golf in

(so yeah, BF derivatives or HQ9+ are out)

Fmbalbuena

@Bubbler laughs in H9+

Bubbler

*HQ9+ derivatives

Fmbalbuena

@Bubbler *Still laughs in Text*

Bubbler

Well, they're just examples and not meant to be a full list

user

Feedback my group got on an assignment. Rickrolling the teacher almost makes the B- we got worth it :P

lyxal

00:43

> swallowing lenses can help children with ADHD

wh....

user

It was just a really terrible pun about how the lens is small, but it's okay if children eat it because "it'll only help them focus"

Unrelated String

🥁

user

Yeah we spent a lot more time on making it funny than making it good :P

lyxal

> Who is the artist that will be drawing the pig?

yeah I'mma gon need context for that

how tf do you jump from rounding wood to pig drawing to ADHD and then back to CAD?

sounds like some sort of fever dream really.

user

There isn't any lol. We just said that as part of our extra features, a pig would be drawn on the back of the camera

Redwolf Programs

00:47

...were y'all just not trying, or is the class/teacher just really chill lol

user

The slide

Unrelated String

probably not that chill if it landed a B-

user

^

Redwolf Programs

Oh hey, you used the same theme I just used for a google slide lol

Funnily enough, it's called focus I think

user

We weren't trying, and while he does have an okay sense of humor, he's a pretty harsh grader

@RedwolfPrograms Exactly why we chose it :P

lyxal

00:48

mfers using google slides while i was using powerpoint like a gigachad

user

Imagine being a Microsoft-using simp

Redwolf Programs

Real sigma males use openoffice

user

People who've sold their souls to Google unite!

lyxal

@user hey I don't simp for microso... okay yeah fine I do own a surface and I did opt for a Microsoft phone for my first smartphone so maybe you're right.

Redwolf Programs

@RedwolfPrograms (I've never used openoffice, I have no idea if this is true lol)

Bubbler

00:49

Gotta draw the slides in MS Paint and show them with Image Viewer

2

user

@lyxal For a very small bit of context, one theme of our project is that it should be easy for children to use (it's an optics class where we're designing very primitive cameras)

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms ayo every sigma has his own grind. If someone has a Microsoft grind and you have a OpenOffice grind, you gotta respect that

everyone has their own grindset

Redwolf Programs

@lyxal Microsoft's not as bad as they used to be, and definitely not as bad as Amazon, Facebook, and friends

Microsoft vs. Google is a close one IMO

user

They made VS Code so I'm quite happy with them

Also <insert joke about worshipping Bill Gates after I got the vaccine>

Redwolf Programs

In terms of least evil to most, Apple > Microsoft > Google > Amazon > Facebook

user

00:54

You're comparing Apples to Microsofts!

Redwolf Programs

Apple doesn't do too much bad stuff, just charge too much and make repairing a bit hard. Microsoft doesn't doo too much bad stuff, and isn't as big as the others. Google is big and scary, but I like their products. Amazon sucks and is evil. Facebook sucks and is evil, but at least Amazon sort of is useful.

Adám

Apple insists on proprietary plugs.

lyxal

^

Redwolf Programs

Yeah, that's pretty bad, but not necessarily evil

And the ipad pro has USB-C

user

If companies were countries, Apple would be the super-nationalistic one with super-high tariffs and no immigrants and stuff

I'm not sure why you chose that particular ordering of Google, Amazon, and Facebook but it seems about right

Redwolf Programs

00:55

@user And Facebook would be the one killing its own people and doing war crimes and stuff

user

Wait why?

Redwolf Programs

Where do you think they make money lol

Advertising and tracking and stuff

lyxal

I'm only marginally impartial to Amazon purely because I've gotten free stuff from them in the past

Redwolf Programs

Amazon's gotten really bad, finding quality stuff there is getting harder and harder

user

@RedwolfPrograms But how does that correspond to straight up killing people? It'd be more Big Brother-style surveillance but not necessarily killing people

Redwolf Programs

00:57

@RedwolfPrograms It's all just cheap knockoff brands when I've looked for stuff lately

user

@RedwolfPrograms Might be because of the sheer number of vendors they have now

Or confirmation bias

Redwolf Programs

But anyway, gtg ._o/

user

> ._o/

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms yeah, but they have twitch prime and I love seeing my monthly resub come up on my favourite steamer's streams

Also, there's the free hoodie I got from them because I made a crappy alexa skill once lol

@lyxal it's surprisingly comfortable for sleeping in too lol when it's cold enough

user

@lyxal Ooh nice, how do you do that?

lyxal

01:12

@user that's the neat part. You don't. They stopped doing that

developer.amazon.com/en-US/alexa/alexa-skills-kit/new/…

Fmbalbuena

why lyxal talked and seen just now?

hyper-neutrino

01:28

@Fmbalbuena it's not specific to this room

means lyxal talked elsewhere, probably vyxal room

Fmbalbuena

@hyper-neutrino I know

hyper-neutrino

so what are you asking then

user

@lyxal Aww

@hyper-neutrino Fmbalbuena knows now, after you told them. They didn't necessarily know when they asked :P

hyper-neutrino

oh

language barrier \o/ my bad

user

@hyper-neutrino I was mostly joking, idk what they really mean ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

hyper-neutrino

01:30

ಠ_ಠ

user

Whoa no need to get angry

hyper-neutrino

that ain't anger, just disapproval :p

lyxal

@user you aren't mostly joking

You're user

user

Joke's on you, I defeated JoKing and absorbed their power :P

I AM THE MOD NOW jk

lyxal

@user 11 this message then nerd

user

01:36

You called me "nerd", a highly derogatory word, so imma flag it and leave it to my subordinates to handle because it's beneath me to directly 11 stuff

Fmbalbuena

@user You are banned.

user

:(

lyxal

@user nah you're just too scared to 11 it

Do it yourself or you're not mod

hyper-neutrino

> I will flag it and leave it to my subordinates

oh wait you could mean mod flags. nvm

user

> an

Imagine not copy pasting :P

hyper-neutrino

01:40

shh

you saw nothing

Fmbalbuena

What?

lyxal

Sep 1 at 4:49, by exedraj

hey aaron are you fine with me showing a video of you being cleaned?

Aaron Miller is actually a plate

user

@user @hyper-neutrino ಠ_ಠ

If you're going to 11 something, you might at least do something cooler than "jk"

Oh nvm it was JoKing

Whoops, looks like I didn't defeat them after all :P

lyxal

Nerd :p

Redwolf Programs

01:56

@user That's my new "throwing a grenade" emoticon

Waving goodbye is too boring. Imma go out (of chat) with a bang.

Ignore the concerning implication that leaving chat is a form of dying :p

lyxal

Code golf is life

So obviously when you quit, you die

That means ROs and mods can kill people by kick muting them

Dang

user

@RedwolfPrograms Wait I can't tell if you're killing yourself or killing us

Redwolf Programs

@lyxal So...getting something flagged and marked valid is punished with the death penalty

user

~~I mean, both are bad, but I'd rather you killed only yourself than all of us~~

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms pretty much

Redwolf Programs

02:01

@user Everyone. I wanna watch the world burn :p

lyxal

Mfer how you gonna watch the world burn if you're dead as well?

user

@lyxal I mean, they can nuke fridges at a moment's notice, of course they can do that too :P

Redwolf Programs

@lyxal From the transcripts (purgatory/heaven/hell/being a ghost), of course

user

@lyxal He'll catch the first few seconds of it :P

lyxal

Ah yes reply pings go brrr

Very cool

user

02:02

Or Redwolf could go up into space and blow it up from there

@lyxal brrr

Redwolf Programs

I mean, ._o/ would seem to indicate I'm behind a wall

Since my other arm would be used for aiming, and it's pointing up

lyxal

There's one very simple solution to fix all this

Redwolf Programs

In an open field, I'd probably use ._o_

lyxal

I'll go call my friends at the organisation I'm with and plan a limb heist

user

Yes, please steal Redwolf's limbs

lyxal

02:03

On it

Redwolf Programs

D:

lyxal

So redwolf what are you doing in about 5 hours from now?

Redwolf Programs

o_⌐

Don't come any closert

You want my limbs, you gotta go through my torso first

And the machine gun it's somehow holding

@lyxal Sleeping, but with one eye open

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms Bruh chill we ain't doing anything till 5 hours from now

Redwolf Programs

@RedwolfPrograms I am a wolf after all

lyxal

02:05

Gosh dang Americans whipping out their guns at the drop of a pin

Redwolf Programs

Ooh, I can use hyphens to make it a bigger gun

user

> drop of a pin

o.O

@RedwolfPrograms Good, good, a bigger gun will be harder to hold and will tire you out quicker

Redwolf Programs

@user I mean, in theory that does happen, if the pin is dropping onto a very specific point in a circular metal face with primer behind it :p

@user Not if I mount it on something

I'm out here building a unicode art fortress

user

Still, it'd be terrible for close combat

And absolutely useless at aerial strikes

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms I just told you we ain't ready yet we're still planning

Redwolf Programs

02:08

Fine, fine

user

Are you prepared for siege warfare, Redwolf? Because we are, and we have an infinite supply of arms

Redwolf Programs

@user Oh that's a slightly horrifying image lol

lyxal

@user <whisper>we're not ready yet idiot we've only just begun planning</whisper>

user

@lyxal <whisper>So what? Redwolf doesn't know it. Better to cow the enemy into submission and live in peace than do war, even if we win</whisper>

lyxal

@user <whisper>yeah but we're still handing out the pre-meeting tea and coffee</whisper>

user

02:10

@RedwolfPrograms For good luck, we will break all our collective legs (off)

@lyxal <whisper>Oh yes, of course, can't interrupt that. Might I have some shortcake to go with that? Never tried it</whisper>

lyxal

@user <whisper>of course, of course. Anything for a valued associate like you :) </whisper>

Redwolf Programs

Artist's rendition of the battle's expected outcome:

\\\o/// --¬-_o_-⌐-- \\\o///

lyxal

Lol

user

I like how no one has legs and is just crawling on the ground

Redwolf Programs

We are but a society of jimmies

3

user

02:14

And the lyxalians are like spiders that got flipped upside down, with their legs flailing in the air

@RedwolfPrograms Isn't Jimmy an armless stick figure with just a head and two legs though?

Redwolf Programs

I've seen jimmies in various orientations, not sure which are canon though

user

"canon" lol

lyxal

(canonical)

user

???

lyxal

That's what canon is short for

Basically it means it's officially part of TNB lore

Canonical

The adjective canonical is applied in many contexts to mean "according to the canon" – the standard, rule or primary source that is accepted as authoritative for the body of knowledge or literature in that context. In mathematics, "canonical example" is often used to mean "archetype". == Science and technology == Canonical form, a natural unique representation of an object, or a preferred notation for some object === Mathematics === Canonical basis – Basis of a type of algebraic structure Canonical coordinates, sets of coordinates that can be used to describe a physical system at any given point...

user

02:18

lol

I said '"canon" lol' because REdwolf was treating it like a comic or something

Anyway time to go detach my limbs for the day and sleep

Redwolf Programs

o///

user

o

emanresu A

02:58

This is what good design looks like /s

Redwolf Programs

That doesn't look like the normal design, if I'm remembering the layout right

emanresu A

chat.stackexchange.com/…

It's everything else as well

Redwolf Programs

The little "code golf" thingy isn't there for me if that's what you were talking about

Oh, it isn't

emanresu A

Screenshot?

Redwolf Programs

I meant what appears to just be the alt text from hovering

emanresu A

03:08

I mean, I don't think the logo is usually that big (Might be wrong tho)

Redwolf Programs

The loog is usually that big, IIRC

emanresu A

Oh :P

lyxal

13 secs ago, by Redwolf Programs

The loog is usually that big, IIRC

> loog

emanresu A

Why have I never nticed that before?

@lyxal Btw øṀ == done

lyxal

@emanresuA yeah because I did it

emanresu A

03:10

Oh. So did I.

github.com/Vyxal/Vyxal/commit/…

lyxal

Lol

emanresu A

how did that not cause a merge conflict of some sort?

Also, I pulled that commit and it wasn't there.

lyxal

03:23

so then which one do we keep?

emanresu A

probably yours

Redwolf Programs

Keep both, choose between them randomly at interpreter startup

lyxal

how we gonna do that when they are named the exact same?

emanresu A

What happened to BMG?

'cos I just antifroze the drafts room

lyxal

that's supposed to be later today isn't it?

emanresu A

03:27

Wasn't it supposed to be a few hours ago?

Redwolf Programs

I never got a notification if it was

lyxal

Bubbler

Yeah I think this one's shifted by 12 hours

emanresu A

Oh :P

Redwolf Programs

Aww, someone in my neighborhood has a missing cute little siamese cat :(

Bubbler

03:42

Random lang idea: Labyrinth 2, where each node has at most 8 neighbors, 1 neighbor = dead end, 2 neighbors = path, 3+ neighbors = select path based on top mod (n-1)

Sounds like better version of Labyrinth but actually worse because things must be laid out further away from each other

Jo King

that sounds pretty torturous

PyGamer0

04:10

@RedwolfPrograms noo :(

emanresu A

@RedwolfPrograms ~~find and kidnap it so you get another cat~~

Redwolf Programs

04:32

Ooh, it's everyone's favorite: Spam burninating time!

Bubbler

Oh lol that was fast

Redwolf Programs

Oh dang, it's already been burninatified

hyper-neutrino

i have the power of being pinged by smokey in the mod office on my side and only one person got a flag in before me

Redwolf Programs

I got an FA review for it, too :p

hyper-neutrino

wait wut o.O

Redwolf Programs

04:35

GRT is overpowered

hyper-neutrino

why is it that whenever i see bad posts they never show up in the queues and i just have to nuke them directly >:-(

no but like I deleted it in around half a minute

is FA just faster?

Redwolf Programs

It is, in a lot of cases

It's shockingly fast sometimes

Other times it's like 10m though, so idk

After a few months, caird and I are still close to tied in both FA and FQ for top reviewer lol

emanresu A

@RedwolfPrograms I almost never do reviews, but i have GRT :P

Redwolf Programs

It's almost insane how overengineered RSR seems, I'm sure all that complexity is there for a reason, but the difference in how complicated GRT and RSR are is huge

hyper-neutrino

has something changed between when RSR was created and when GRT came out that made it simpler to do things?

Redwolf Programs

04:42

I don't think so

I think having to handle the whole page being reloaded has a lot to do with it

GRT does it all in the background, so all it has to worry about is parsing the HTML, not dealing with any other JS or waiting for loading to finish

It probably also has to do with RSR being based off of an earlier userscript, so it might've carried over some unneeded stuff

I think its handling of weird stuff being returned it a lot more robust, but GRT can safely just ignore anything weird and nothing will break since it doesn't reload the whole page

lyxal

05:05

I coulda sworn I just heard my neighbours kids playing green light red light and I was like "holy frick quid game reference irl?!?"

Redwolf Programs

lol

lyxal

You still need to unspooky your pfp

Get it ready for shudders 3 months of Christmas

Redwolf Programs

No, instead of a ghost, now it's a pawprint in snow :p

I have achieved maximally lazy pfp design lol

hyper-neutrino

lmao if you go into google translate in korean and type 무 it just immediately gives 무궁화 꽃이 피었습니다 as the recommendation

Bubbler

squid game again

lyxal

05:09

Mugunghwa flowers bloomed?

hyper-neutrino

something like that i think

Bubbler

Yeah, that's correct literal translation

lyxal

Just so you know I've never watched squid game. I know as much about as the memes make out

Unrelated String

you've seen a hell of a lot more squid game memes than i have then

lyxal

Also, minecraft and roblox recreations and Wikipedia

Unrelated String

05:13

i have played crab game for checks steam 3.5 hours

Redwolf Programs

@lyxal I did the same thing with Among Us but I've never told anyone

Bubbler

I haven't watched squid game either but I was spoiled pretty fast because like every TV show uses parts of its scenes, music, game concept and whatnot

PyGamer0

i HATE quid ame

quid ame sux

hyper-neutrino

i haven't watched squid game but i watched like one or two videos about it so i kinda have a vague idea what it's about and also know more than enough spoilers lol

Unrelated String

lmao

hyper-neutrino

05:16

i have actually played amogus but my friends didn't really like it so i never played it much just cuz i had nobody to play it with

PyGamer0

ya know even i did not watch quid ame

Unrelated String

i've played like 5 games of among us but it's just
not fun

PyGamer0

now amogus sux

Unrelated String

friends roped me into some goose goose duck a while back and that was actually amazing though

PyGamer0

wait: duck duck goose -> duckduckgoose -> duckduckgo

hyper-neutrino

05:19

i only really found playing impostor fun in among us

PyGamer0

@lyxal as soon as quid ame became famous, i saw atleast 5 boblox remakes

@hyper-neutrino everyone likes being the impostor, game turns into FFA

hyper-neutrino

~~i just like manipulating and deceiving people~~

3

Redwolf Programs

I do that too in real life, same with that thing where you kill people you think are different

hyper-neutrino

hmm

Unrelated String

05:34

@PyGamer0 did you only now figure that out

Redwolf Programs

06:11

> and I put googly eyes on this apple, and stuck a fork in it

4

Quote from a kids' show

I'd give context, but there is literally none lol

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms Sounds like a normal thing to do

Jo King

@RedwolfPrograms you ever play that game with forks and apples?

Redwolf Programs

See I wouldn't find it so concerning if the apple didn't start talking a few minutes later

lyxal

07:14

@RedwolfPrograms what show?

PyGamer0

08:19

in Dinoux Room, 17 secs ago, by PyGamer0

CMP: Delete?

emanresu A

@PyGamer0 Archive, if you really don't like it.

PyGamer0

@emanresuA good idea

is there a way to reset the repo

emanresu A

Wdym?

PyGamer0

i want to make someother lang with the same name

ah i will delete all code

emanresu A

No

Just rename it

dinoux-abandoned or something

Anush

08:27

Hello!

emanresu A

Hyper did that with yuno for example

PyGamer0

this is funny lol

also its exactly 19 bytes

did you know: that mods can hear you when there are not in the same room as you

@emanresuA ok done

hyper-neutrino

09:01

i lterally just clicked the room you linked

emanresu A

Doing CR stuff can be kinda fun

Although this is one of the worse pieces of code I've seen in a while

Although all the questionss older than a month are unanswered for a reason.

lyxal

10:33

in dead room, 2 hours ago, by PyGamer0

room topic changed to dead room: shhh nothing to see here (no tags)

Hey this reminds me of the time I let the keg chat room freeze to move onto vyxal development lol

Adám

Heh, is there no frozen room?

lyxal

There is

Sixth Barrel

For general discussion about Keg (esolangs.org/wiki/Keg) or qu...

PyGamer0

keg, inspired by K and my leg :P

thats a bad joke

Razetime

BMG in 1 hour 👀

get your drafts ready

lyxal

Woo yeah can't wait to crank out ai drafts again

Razetime

10:48

leggoooo

Sixth Barrel

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