> The article says that in 2020, this "artificial moon" will be launched from the Xichang Satellite Launch Center in Sichuan to illuminate the night sky.

An ordinary satellite doesn't "illuminate the night sky" though

And you'd need to build a small nuclear power plant large nuclear power plant miniature sun to get enough power to do that

Or a mirror

:p

I think they're literally planning for a mirror

Yeah

... Astronomers would hate china for that

Lol yeah. If the thing is near-perfect mirror then the other places will see a black blob blocking the sky

Sandbox posts last active a week ago: (untitled), Make an ASCII Quasi-Golden Rectangle

> IA-64 (Intel Itanium architecture) is the instruction set architecture (ISA) of the Itanium family of 64-bit Intel microprocessors. The basic ISA specification originated at Hewlett-Packard (HP), and was evolved and then implemented in a new processor microarchitecture by Intel with HP's continued partnership and expertise on the underlying EPIC design concepts.

Fun to read this as if "EPIC" isn't an initialism :p

The people at HP and Intel are just epic gamers

Totally out of context: I'm seriously considering naming my golflang "Epic Gamer"

I'm planning on naming mine a randomly generated string of letters

@Bubbler Have you made/designed/implemented/partially created a spec for it yet?

Vyxal and 05AB1E are so easy to find information on compared to Jelly, Ash, Husk, etc.

@RedwolfProgrammed Wdym? Jelly has a pretty good wiki

I mean with google/ddg/bing/etc.

oh lol

There's only one thing called "vyxal" or "05ab1e", but there's a million jellies/ashes/husks

@RedwolfProgrammed incorrect: there's like at least one or two other things that come up for vyxal that isn't the golflang ;p

@RedwolfProgrammed so that's why you append language to your search query

@emanresuA No, just a bit of scribbles and random thought experiments

@lyxal I get the repo, the esolangs page, the organisation, the interpreter, the lotm nomination, the tips page, user's CR post, hyper's video... Then a house in Napier.

@RedwolfProgrammed searching for vyxal also gives SE questions from the HNQ at the same time that Vyxal related questions were in the hnq

lol

ಠ_ಠ

Whoever edited Vyxal in alongside Golfscript is an epic memer

Why tf did I just get a youtube ad for nebraska

Just nebraska

@lyxal I suppose that's the price you pay for having a language tag on Code Review :p

@emanresuA that was not me

We have a tag here as well :p

Because of one question...

@emanresuA yeah but that isn't as cool as having a tag on CR

@emanresuA two

There's two questions

The tips page doesn't count, you need an actually applicable question

@lyxal I know. It's probably the same person that edited it into the esolangs page

Any feedback?

Ok it was math.

@Bubbler Looks good to me

@Adám how do you pronounce הנני ?

^^

@LeakyNun It kind-of needs vowels, but "hineni" where the first two vowels are short.

@Adám with stress on e?

Yes, typo.

@RedwolfProgrammed This made someone I was sitting near check their phone lol

@Adám or I guess the stress would be on the first syllable?

because you seem to shift stress to the first syllable

No, never on the first. It is either with short e and final stress, or long stressed e, depending on context.

blogger.com/profile/04781477187782362237... Someone stole your name idea, @lyxal

@LeakyNun Here in verse 7 it has short e and final stress and in verse 11 it has long stressed e.

@emanresuA yes I know that

Also this

@Adám and here in verse 3?

@emanresuA I know, I've looked it up before

@LeakyNun Even shorter e (schwa) and therefore final stress.

@Adám and is there a reason why it has 3 pronunciations?

@LeakyNun In that verse 3 the next word is an emphasis on the actual word ("here I am" – the meaning is almost the same if the following word is removed). In the verse 7, the next word is completely separate from the first ("here I am, my son"). In verse 11, there is no next word ("here I am.") because we're at the end of the verse, so the voice changes and the stress is moved earlier, but to receive the moved stress, the vowel has to be elongated.

Since the normal form is the medial, I initially answered you that the e was short.

I just remembered that I had started Ash on January 1st, as a challenge to make a golfing language as a quick two week project

That definitely didn't go as planned lol

@Adám what form is הִנְנִי ?

Closely tied to the next word.

this sounds very complicated lol

@RedwolfProgrammed that's for sure

That was in April

@LeakyNun Lots of nuance in expression. The translation "Behold, I, even I, will" isn't very good, at least for a modern audience. I'd say a more accurate rendering would be "Behold, I will" or "Behold I alone will".

@Adám does every word have 3 forms?

No, but many do.

In a sense, words (as in a dictionary) don't really exist per se, only concepts (represented as consonant groups) that are then applied or modified using specific vowelisations, prefixes, infixes, and suffixes.

as in, even after all the prefixes and suffixes

Well yes, once you've fully applied a root concept, then you have a word, but it might never have been used before.

Even personal names take many forms depending on usage and context.

as in, עיני meaning "my eye" only has 1 pronunciation right

I think the stress can move from the last to the first syllable if the word appears at the end of a sentence.

hmm...

And the final vowel can change if the word is tied to the next following word, but then it doesn't really mean "my eye" any more.

yeah I'm only focusing on "my eye"

@Adám do you pronounce hebrew words in yiddish differently than if they appear in the Tanakh?

Right, then I think it can only have two pronunciations.

Yes, I do.

aha, that explains more

But so far, I've only spoken about the formal grammar, not casual or modern usage.

I assume you don't speak casual/modern Hebrew

I do.

also when you're reading the Tanakh, do you read ת as /t/ or /s/?

@Adám oh interesting

do you use the Sephardic pronunciation for modern Hebrew?

@LeakyNun Depends on if it has a dot in the middle /t/ or not /s/. Or if I want to be extra precise, I read it as /θ/ when without dot.

@LeakyNun No, then I use Israeli pronunciation.

@Adám what's the difference?

so you're telling me, even for the exact same word in the exact same context, you have 3 ways of pronouncing it (Yiddish, formal, modern)

Proper Sephardic pronunciation distinguishes between "bh" (undotted beth) and "w" (waw) while modern Hebrew doesn't. Sephardic pronunciation has a guttural 'ayin while modern Hebrew has merged it with aleph.

I see

@LeakyNun No, I have many more :-)

@Adám what else?

Also English informal Litvish and formal Litvish. And if I'm dealing with say a song of particular origin, I might switch to Sephardic or Yemenite pronunciation.

(Where I take "formal" as you stated above to mean "formal Hungarian".)

:o

how do you not confuse them

Also, sometimes I'm more, and sometimes less, careful about the formalities in Hungarian pronunciation, depending on how important the current text is.

@LeakyNun Who says I don't? ;-)

it sounds like if i need to learn the british accent, american accent, australian accent, and new zealand accent at the same time

@LeakyNun How many Chinese languages do you know?

two i guess

@LeakyNun No, there's no requirement for the diversity I have. It is a consequence of interest and exposure to multiple groups.

@LeakyNun So you can read the same written text in two entirely different ways?

aha, yeah lol

Look who's speaking! ;-)

@Adám is there a name for the yiddish pronunciation?

@Adám no i actually mean tiberian :-)

@LeakyNun There are multiple Yiddish pronunciations, although only about 3 recognisable ones have a significant number native speakers today.

for your yiddish pronunciation then

@LeakyNun Oh, that one is either extinct or might not ever have existed (it being a "scholarly invention").

@LeakyNun I use Hungarian Yiddish.

also do you distinguish החכר?

Not sure what you're asking.

the 4 consonants ה ח כ ר

Assuming there's no dot כ, then yes, I personally distinguish between all 4, but most Ashkenazim do not distinguish ח and כ. All distinguish ה and ר from the rest, though some make ח very similar to ה.

they're a bit much for my non-gutturally-trained tongue

In Yiddish, I don't take care to distinguish ח and כ, but ח basically doesn't exist in Yiddish.

I'll just use the alveolar flap for the ר

It is perfectly fine to say ר whichever way you say R.

(However, I can imagine your R might be close to your L – I can't remember.)

in that case i'll trill it lol

ה is identical to English H (when not silent).

not that i ever need to pronounce hebrew

@Adám even the english way? XD

It is acceptable to collapse ח כ into any type of "kh" sound, as in Scottish "loch" or German "mich" or "sich".

@LeakyNun Absolutely.

great

Of course, if there's a dot in כ then it is a normal K, and that is fine to collapse with ‎‎ק too.

you distinguish those? :o (i'm talking about ק and כּ)

Only when being very careful – or playing Yemenite.

When being very careful, I say ק as "gk" and when playing Yemenite it is a hard "g".

(For most Yemenites, ג is a soft R when undotted, and a "dj" as in "jeep" when dotted.)

I guess Arabic also has many pronunciations

Yes, it is barely mutually intelligible from Morocco to Yemen.

That one question from Academia's been spawning a lot of chat flags

@RedwolfProgrammed Why not? Nebraska is pretty neat ^_^

Hmm, fair argument I guess

Uh, I hate having real-life thing to do. I have a super simple and elegant solution to integer linear equation thingy, but I don't have time to write down a full answer for it :/

I get Nebraska tourism ads on YouTube from time to time. I don't think it knows that I'm from there originally.

Well done to whoever predicted that alephalpha would soon give a Mathematica answer :)

@Bubbler argh! Do you think you might have time soon?

@LeakyNun the main thing is that Moroccan Arabic is not the same as Tunisian Arabic which is not the same as Egyptian Arabic and so on

@Adám ah you already said this :)

@DLosc imagine getting ads

made by adblocker gang

@PyGamer0 I definitely use an adblocker on my personal laptop, but I haven't installed one on my work laptop

@DLosc oh i get it

my first shave :]

@RedwolfProgrammed Oh wow

ooh are we doing lyal but for natural languages

lol

I... would kinda love that, actually

Yeah same

Although natural languages are far too big to cover even the basics in 24 hours

Writing systems would be doable, though

Let's do that one with the 80 or 100 something click consonants, shouldn't be too hard :p

alas my first shave is marked irrelevant by discord user zygan

@DLosc LYAA where the last A stands for (variously) alphabet, abjad, or abugida

@DLosc or apl

cmq: how do i credit someone not on the site who said ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ when asked how they wanted to be credited

for a golf

they helpd a bit

If it's a suggested golf, the usual -x thanks to xyz probably

CMQ: Unicode characters for Input

as in taking input(

@RedwolfProgrammed it wont be weird that "zygan" isnt a person on the site?

@PyGamer0 I'd usually use an ASCII one since that's an important function, like i or I, but maybe something like ¹?

or will throwing "discord user" in front clear it up

@thejonymyster maybe -1 thanks to xxxx in discord

@thejonymyster That'd clear it up yeah

ahh thank u

Nobody's going to be interrogating you about your byte saves though :p

also i wish it was -1 it was actually -4 T_T so much haha

@RedwolfProgrammed but how will i sleep at night O.O

@thejonymyster My trick for that involves a parachute, a candle, and a whole, raw salmon

@RedwolfProgrammed ive tried that, salmon always manages to slip away halfway through the finnish national anthem

Have you tried switching from 240 volts to full HD?

hmm.. that might just do the trick :-)

CMQ: What commands should I add (have a lot of space left)

Try looking at Jelly or Husk for ideas, those should cover lots of the important ones (there's also Vyxal, 05AB1E, Ash, etc.)

also jelly now has 660 stars!

i just starred it now

trying to think of something you wouldnt already have

all cheekylike

@PyGamer0 wait what type of input output per thing is there

i dont wanna be like "square it" and youre like "sorry it has to be a five input function"

@PyGamer0 You're using overloads, right?

@PyGamer0 If you can't think of more commands, you can settle with the current ones and compress programs instead

oh smart

@user "swap caps lock <-> escape" supremacy

Idk why nytimes tries to stop you from reading too many articles - you can just Ctrl-A Ctrl-C while the page is loading and paste it into a google doc or contenteditable div.

or just open it in a new browser session?

Tried that, I think it uses your IP

can you look at Google's cached version of it?

Is there a way to access the whole thing?

@emanresuA that suggests the blocking is done mainly client-side, so maybe your browser's Reader Mode will work?

Nope:

Give me an hour to read documentation about reader mode

@emanresuA just look at the web archive version of it

Oh big brain

I love the trusty wayback machine

@emanresuA Ok, all the docs I can find are either extension APIs or unrelated stuff containing 'reader', so I'm guessing reader mode sends different metadata to the server in the request.

@lyxal I wonder how big their servers are...

@emanresuA /shrug

Your userscript is slow

It happens

Oh wait are you on mobile or somethinng?

Opinions on codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/236762/100664?

It has four close votes right now...

Idk why it got four unclear CVs in the first place

If some part is unclear, please leave a comment

It's also on HNQ

yeah, i don't really see the unclear part

@emanresuA lol yes

@MannyQueen haha undertale pfp go brrr

@Bubbler compress program?

Like stax

wat?

You know the stax golfing language?

@emanresuA wdym

@lyxal yes

like that

Packed Stax

@lyxal what does that do?

It just means "Hello, World! and èï┬▀↨╩4G are equivalent

the second is just a compressed version of the first

each character in the second doesn't have a special command

staxlang.xyz/#c=%22Hello,+World!&i= vs staxlang.xyz/#p=8a8bc2df17ca3447&i=

@lyxal oh

ooh

basically, treat the program as a string and compress it

it's as if you wrapped your program inside a string, compressed it, and then eval'd that

for languages that have each and every codepoint doing something, that isn't an option

it seems easier to go to the jelly wiki and copy stuff

I want to make a golfing language with a codepage where all the characters can be typed with the X11 compose key so I never have to copy and paste

@pxeger use J/K

ez

ASCII-only is bad for golfing though

i am reading a book aout 8086 and i see this question

My keyboard easily supports typing 11172+x different chars but I don't have any nice idea to use them in golflangs

11172 because this

And I sometimes find myself Ctrl+CVing ascii chars from Jelly wiki page anyway

don't we all?

like I know I've gotten so accustomed to copy-pasting unicode characters from non-ascii codepage that I'll copy-paste ascii stuff

tio.run/… playing aruond with mathematica, it's pretty powerful

@PyGamer0 as in, overloads based on type (like how / does different things in Vyxal based on the types of its arguments)

@pxeger don't tell him that though

who's him? PyGamer0?

ASCII-only

oh lol

@lyxal i dont have types

in the sense i have 1 type

oh so then you aren't doing overloads any more

yes

clearly emanresu A gave up

why do people use 0-9 in regex when \d is right there (or is it not always right there)

I'll use it in things like a-zA-Z0-9_, and only \d when it's 0-9 on its own

Also I think some regices match things other than 0-9 with \d

Like Unicode number forms

ahr, i see

It seems like this blog post idea has pretty much been implemented in the form of LYAL.

itd be nice to have a permanently accessible, nicely formatted version though

wait is that comma necessary i hate grammar so muhhch

well permanently is wrong, but i was in a rush to type that out haha

Back in the squidward classroom

@NewPosts spam?

Not from what I can tell, just someone who's very lost

Actually, spam

Didn't notice the link

→ 1 message moved to The Nineteenth Bakery

the username makes it 100% a spam post lol

We get some weird spam here

Also who would buy what seems to be pretty specialized scientific supplies from some company just because they find a link on a site about code golf

That's a pretty questionable marketing strategy

possibly for SEO

Oh, good point

I wonder if there's some sort of thing you can put in meta tags/robots.txt to indicate a page is user-created and shouldn't be used for SEO

Well, about to do my presentation for CS class

I might upload Steganosaurus to my GH, it's pretty cool

CMP: Is matrix multiplication more important than Cartesian product?

They're both quite important

Make room for both

I'd say cartesian product is slightly more useful though

i dont get how matrix multiplication is even multiplication

wait, srry, was looking at the wrong page

incredible

matrix multiplication is definitely some sorta multiplication

+.× in APL

i was reading a misleading diagram on an unrelated page

@PyGamer0 Define "important" :P

Cause you need the Cartesian product to define the concept of a function (mathematical), so definitely that, in that context :P

@PyGamer0 Pip has Cartesian product and doesn't have matrix multiplication, but that probably says more about my lack of matrix algebra know-how than anything.

cartesian product is 1 byte in jelly and matrix multiplication is 2

and as we all know, jelly's 1-byte vs. 2-byte selection is flawless and always accurate, so cartesian product is more important

I was about to say that lol

Steganosaurus

Instructions: Upload an image, then you can use the slider at the top to inspect the lower bits of the image. You can use the various color and alpha filters as well.

I'd recommend this image for testing

@spooky-neutrino *glares at G*

:)

What does G do?

The description is pretty vague

Formats its argument as a space/newline separated, padded grid

That's an oddly specific single byte operator...

Try it online!

Interestingly it's used more times than quite a few other operators

Basically, when Dennis was writing Jelly, there were a lot of challenges being posted requiring padded output formats

It's not entirely useless, but it's an easy target to bully for being one byte :P

°

The fact that its one byte to convert to rads, but 2 to convert from annoys me

G has been used 70 times, ° has been used a grand total of 6 :p

lol

Tbf, most of Jelly's one byte builtins that aren't used a lot are those that come in clutch when they are used

yeah

though that is sort of how that tends to go in general

They're either incredibly general purpose, or super specific :P

G is the sort of thing that every language should have on a digraph if for no other reason than that it's nice for footers :P

Yeah, I've always "equated" G and the ŒR overdot one in terms of usefulness

yeah

I'm going to try to use a markov chain to write JS answers

Wait no I'm not that would be stupid

Wow the school food has become worse

No idea how

No more french fries. Just a single small chicken sandwich. And they switched to this awful new chicken.

I love how there are proposed classes of particles called WIMPs, WISPs, and SIMPs

1 and 3 had to have been on purpose

@RedwolfProgrammed Stop stealing my ideas

calling all esolang people. Can this is be done in your favourite golfing language? codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/236784/98590

for three integers a, b, c and I want to check that all pairs are coprime, is there a short way to do that in python?

that is gcd(a, b) == 1 and gcd(a, c) = 1 and gcd(b, c) == 1

@emanresuA Now that I know it's your idea too I'm gonna do it

You can't stop me

can a spooky neutrino still be hyper?

@RedwolfProgrammed Hopefully, unlike the fries, it's at least fully cooked

No worries on that front, they cooked it until the outer quarter of an inch of it had the texture of a cereal box

excellent

CMC For integers a, b, c, check that all three pairs are coprime

jelly: Œcg/€ṀỊ (probably could be shorter)

CMQ: Would a "polyglot but each language has to be in a different encoding" challenge be good?

@emanresuA I could just do "Python 2 in ASCII" and "Python 3 in UTF-8", couldn't I?

True...

@Anush not really happy with this, but Python, 70 bytes

@pxeger thanks. How much less is that than the naive method?

@Anush it's -7 bytes more... ato.pxeger.com/…

(goddammit that was seriously fat-fingered)

I'm tired

the naive method is actually shorter, I didn't bother to try it lol

Ah

It's a challenge then!

Does import math.gcd as g not work?

@spooky-neutrino tio ?

@Anush no

:(

(misread your message)

it tries to treat math.gcd as a package

Ah I see

from math import gcd as g?

that's longer

Yes :(

This looks so ripe for jelly or vyxal ! codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/236784/98590

It'd probably be kinda boring to just port a mathy algorithm into either language

Great marketing for your questions, though :P

what makes you think this looks nice for jelly

And ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ There's probably a better way to do that with all the builtins golflangs have available

@spooky-neutrino more suitable for vyxal?

@user only if you find showing off golf skills boring :)

@emanresuA that would be cool!

@user thanks ! I’ll get rich soon :)

(by giving away bounty err…)

@spooky-neutrino :-D

CMQ: What flavour is Jelly?

@emanresuA if it was pastry it would be short

@emanresuA Red

Amorica and Brittany sound like parodies of America and Britain