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user

22:08

@RedwolfPrograms Is there an easy way to run this? idk JS too well

Wezl

22:20

I read that as ruin

user

~~That would imply it hasn't already been ruined~~

Redwolf Programs

It's a function so...ultrarisky(program, input) :p

I'd recommend doing it in chrome/FF console

user

Can I just paste the entire thing into the console?

Redwolf Programs

Yep

user

Oh nice that actually works

I love how the documentation is in comments :P

Wezl

22:25

I am confused halp

Redwolf Programs

Absolute value

user

gist.github.com/RedwolfPrograms/…

Redwolf Programs

If z < 0 it negates it, but it needs a special case for -0

Wezl

what is 1 / z < 0 ?

user

Read the docs smh

Wezl

22:26

how do you even get -0 in risky

user

You get it in JS (well, not just in JS)

Redwolf Programs

@Wezl Negative number times zero

user

Isn't it possible to check for -0 separately instead of doing 1 / z? Seems like a hack

Redwolf Programs

With Object.is, yes, but it's easier to just do 1 / z IMO

Since it's a bit clearer what you're doing

user

Oh is it a JS idiom lol

I thought it was a bad golfer habit

Redwolf Programs

22:29

Might be, but I doubt it

It'd work on any language with IEEE-754

user

Yay, I just added two numbers in Risky! :P

Redwolf Programs

Risky or Ultrarisky?

user

Ultrarisky, sorry

Gonna attempt Swap Two Values next, wish me luck

Redwolf Programs

I can't believe I'm starting to get used to the Lyxal's fridge sound as the chat ping lol

@user You will almost certainly need it :p

Actually, it shouldn't be super hard, now that I think about it.

Wait no

user

Just really cumbersome getting it to pad and stuff

The challenge itself is pretty simple

Redwolf Programs

22:36

Yeah I just realized it'll be much harder than I thought

Input being one of the main reasons

user

Just take [list_of_values, index1, index2], right?

Redwolf Programs

You can only use each input once

user

Redwolf Programs

Unless you like...put it in an array and loop over it

Ooh wait, you get a copy of the input with each loop iteration, so you can fill an array with any input without using it up

user

Wait how do the loops work? idu what the "Fancy" section is for

Redwolf Programs

22:39

They work like a normal dyad, but if the left input is a list, the right argument's code is used as a function to map or reduce with

The one I wrote as for is actually map

I forgot to update my documentation when I changed it

user

Ah, nice

Redwolf Programs

I think 1+{I22II{0 would take the first input

Wait no

Yeah this is hard

And I thought Risky's I/O was bad

user

The 3x+1 makes it really hard, as well as the lack of nice identity operators

lyxal

22:57

@Wezl no, you're not confused.

You're Wezl

Wezl

wrong

I'm Wezl

lyxal

yes that's right

you're Wezl.

thejonymyster

are there any actual resources on learning what monads are or is it just not possible to explain

lyxal

depends on the type of monad you mean

if you mean monads from haskell, then I have no clue

thejonymyster

is there not some overarching concept

lyxal

23:04

isn't a monad most simply a function that only takes one argument?

Jo King

oh boy

lyxal

wiki.haskell.org/Monad

wouldn't ^ give info?

Unrelated String

Jo King

god no

lyxal

how about wiki.haskell.org/Merely_monadic

thejonymyster

23:06

i just see "monadic chain" a lot in jelly answers and other ppl talking about monads and there doesnt seem to be a single palpable explanation for it online

(palpable isnt the right word but its the one i got i guess)

lyxal

Arity

Arity ( (listen)) is the number of arguments or operands taken by a function or operation in logic, mathematics, and computer science. In mathematics, arity may also be named rank, but this word can have many other meanings in mathematics. In logic and philosophy, it is also called adicity and degree. In linguistics, it is usually named valency. == Examples == The term "arity" is rarely employed in everyday usage. For example, rather than saying "the arity of the addition operation is 2" or "addition is an operation of arity 2" one usually says "addition is a binary operation". In general, the...

Unrelated String

see
there's the tacit concept of a monad, which is simply a unary function
and then there's the mostly-category-theoretical concept of a monad which is... different

thejonymyster

i mean for programming

if that helps

Redwolf Programs

For Jelly, it refers to a function that takes one argument

And for most languages, actually

thejonymyster

Redwolf Programs

23:07

Nilad: 0, Monad: 1, Dyad: 2, etc.

thejonymyster

then wtf is all that haskell shit about lmao

pardon my french

lyxal

1 min ago, by Unrelated String

see
there's the tacit concept of a monad, which is simply a unary function
and then there's the mostly-category-theoretical concept of a monad which is... different

thejonymyster

:P im not mad im just bewildered

Bubbler

haskell one is really deep mathematics

thejonymyster

damn

Jo King

23:08

i have ptsd flashbacks when people start talking about haskell monads

thejonymyster

ok, good to know then

Bubbler

(though it's possible to use it without knowing the math)

thejonymyster

thank u all :-)

Unrelated String

in terms of its application to haskell it's easy to just think about as a way of embedding a notion of side effects in the pure functional type system--you can even conceptualize the monad instances of nice transparent datatypes that way

Jo King

triggered

Bubbler

23:10

But the word "monad" is simply not used in most mainstream languages, and people struggle a lot to understand what a Haskell monad is, so the search results are naturally flooded with those

thejonymyster

@Bubbler yeah ~_~

i almost understood one of the haskell ones fdkslgj

user

@UnrelatedString I just think of it as boxes even though LYAH says not to lol

Here's some more information about Haskell if you're interested

Bubbler

I just either abuse do or f<$>x<*>y<*>z... and pray for it to work

user

I absolutely love Uncyclopedia's page on Lisp

user

23:37

Just found an interesting language: Cone. Not finished yet, but should be cool when done

Bubbler

Looks like it's trying to be a strict superset of Rust

user

Yep, the playground reminds me of Rust's own

Got nicer syntax than Rust

Bubbler

23:53

But the main problem is that Rust has already evolved with ~10 years of huge community support, while newer langs aren't getting even close anytime soon

Unrelated String

yeah

Bubbler

Also Rust is supported by multiple big names

user

Always a problem when something new is made, you gotta get enough people to support you :(