The Nineteenth Byte

emanresu A

11:03

@lyxal Get outgolfed by 6x lol

lyxal

Frick.

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emanresu A

Honestly, you put more effort in.

lyxal

Not really

I just modified the base 64 encoding thing I once made

Razetime

@emanresuA absolute pwnage

emanresu A

Oh

@Razetime Lol

lyxal

11:11

@emanresuA Try it Online!

@encode:1|vCbƛ8↳ð0V;ṅ6ẇ÷6↲ð0VW00$+vBkAka+kd+\++\/+$İṅ;

@decode:1|ƛkAka+kd+\++\/+nḟ;bƛ8↳ð0V2ȯ;ṅ8ẇ÷:Lß_WvBCṅ;

emanresu A

It's nice having functions, even if they're mostly useless for golfing.

@lyxal here's an approach similar to yours

lyxal

You don't need to rub in the fact that you're better than me at this :p

emanresu A

Sorry

@lyxal Also that is very wrong.

lyxal

@emanresuA The :P at the end means you don't need to be sorry

Well done

emanresu A

Ok. I have physical school tomorrow, so 'night.

lyxal

11:23

o/

lyxal

11:46

mmmm mobile chat on desktop is horrible

I have to turn off all chat userscripts for it to actually work properly

oh and it somehow placed me in all the rooms I've starred

Aaron Miller

12:33

We should work together to lower WW's rep by 25. He's currently sitting at 69445.

Wheat Wizard

I just need to find 25 answers to downvote.

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PyGamer0

12:51

@AaronMiller then what will happen?

Aaron Miller

@PyGamer0 His rep will be at 69420

PyGamer0

oh 69 and 42 right?

Aaron Miller

69 and 420

funny numbers

Wheat Wizard

13:20

Well thank you all for lending a hand and bringing me down.

6

Aaron Miller

:D

lyxal

@WheatWizard haha funny number go brrrrr

Browncat Programs

@hyper-neutrino Userscript idea?

(Oh just noticed Razetime already suggested making a script, but do you want me to? It wouldn't be that hard)

(I'm making it, what else do I have to do :p)

Hmm, this might actually be slightly harder than I thought it'd be

lyxal

Well if you're doing that, I'm going to go commit non-awake and then return to my favourite site to spend another day hopelessly attempting to make jokes worthy of being starred and then commit sleep again and rinse and repeat

o/

Browncat Programs

o/

Aaron Miller

13:30

/o

Browncat Programs

Oh lol, the chat devs were lazier than I am...when you visit the page anonymously, it doesn't use ws, it just requests the transcript multiple times per second

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'd be fine with SD posting here, but I sort of think a separate room would be better

Plus if needed we could populate it with other bots that could be helpful for moderation (or other) purposes but aren't general enough to belong in TNB

It wouldn't have the typical problems with separate rooms, since it'd be populated with bots

(Which was the main point of the Guild of Reviewers, but I still need to make the bot :/)

Aaron Miller

@BrowncatPrograms ez just do document.body.innerHTML = document.body.innerHTML.replace(".com/rooms/", ".com/transcript/") and all links go to transcript. is smort solution, 10/10 no problems.

Browncat Programs

That's...not at all what the script is supposed to do

HN already has a script that does that

Also replacing the HTML like that triggers all sorts of expensive and completely unnecessary reflows :p

I know you're making a joke but it physically pains me :p

Aaron Miller

:p

Browncat Programs

Okay cool, I've now confirmed that my proxying system works when I'm actually at school

Dang, I can get 20 Mbps through this. I think that's about as fast as my school's internet typically is, without like three layers of proxying in between

Unfortunately for some reason SSH isn't working

It might not get sent through the proxy by default now that I think about it

Browncat Programs

14:02

Yes! I can SSH over my proxying system now

Oh no

I broke it and can't fix it until I get home :/

Aaron Miller

F

Browncat Programs

I had debug logging in place still, which meant several gigabytes' worth of log files were being printed to the screen, which was over SSH, which printed that to the debug log, making an infinite loop

So I had to try to kill it

And I did :/

Aaron Miller

Do you need a !!/hug?

Browncat Programs

No, it's a minor (and 100% expected) issue :p

Codidact Posts

14:58

New Posts - Challenges - Code Golf: Define a mathematical expression in English

posted on September 09, 2021 by Mark Giraffe

This challenge is currently under beta release. If given enough positivity, it will remain here and stand as a fully released challenge. Otherwise, it will be deleted and put back ...

Mithical

Oh cool, didn't know y'all had a feed for those here.

Browncat Programs

@BrowncatPrograms Fun fact: Jelly has 11 two byte atoms which have never been used on any answer here

Wait, that doesn't seem right...it says Øe (euler's number) has never been used

Huh, it seems it's never been used

I guess that makes sense, if Jelly has ln/exp atoms already

I love how when I google reverse image search a picture of a cat, it says it's a cat and shows me a brand of heavy construction equipment

Sandbox Posts

15:23

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Most Contrasting Background Color code-golfcolor When putting colored text on a background, the text can sometimes be hard to read because the text color does not contrast with the background color well. Thus, this challenge will be to create a function or program that can find the most contrasti...

Browncat Programs

15:49

What would { and } be used for in Jelly?

Unrelated String

chaining

specifically in dyadic chains

caird coinheringaahing

16:00

And <atom>{ saves a byte over ⁸<atom>¤

(tho the two aren't exactly the same)

Aaron Miller

16:19

CMQ: What is the most cursed form of operator precedence?

Browncat Programs

Reversed

Although that'd be a bit too contrived of a feature to really be cursed imo

It'd just be esoteric

It's cursed when it's genuinely supposed to be useful but is just bad in a way that is cursed

wtf

Merge sort is definitely the easiest of the sort algorithms if you ask me

And this was on a test that's a pretty major part of my grade

Why would they add such a subjective question

Aaron Miller

That seems like a really subjective question, which makes it an objectively bad question

Browncat Programs

"Merge sort is easy!"
"No it's not."
"Yeah...yeah it is"
"Nope, I'm the teacher and what I say is final"

:p

Aaron Miller

please tell me that conversation actually happened

Browncat Programs

No

Sadly

Aaron Miller

16:32

sadge

ninja'd

Browncat Programs

Luckily that's the last time I'll need to take a test for this class, aside from the AP exam in may

Aaron Miller

\o/

Browncat Programs

It's taken me less than a month to finish the whole class :p

Aaron Miller

lol

Class? What class?

Browncat Programs

AP Computer Science A

Aaron Miller

16:34

cool

pxeger

@BrowncatPrograms I'd say it's not as simple as bubble sort

Aaron Miller

I'd say they're all equally simple to implement. This post made by never implemented a sorting algorithm gang.

Browncat Programs

Plus mergesort is stable. Quicksort gets all of merge sort's fame despite being unstable, harder to write, and equally fast.

@pxeger Depends on how familiar you are with recursion :p

And bubble sort

And merge sort

pxeger

@BrowncatPrograms Quicksort may be theoretically similar to merge sort but in practice it's faster

stackoverflow.com/a/70631

Browncat Programs

I've read a lot about the differences and I'm pretty sure merge sort is faster in various situations

DLosc

16:44

Insertion and selection sort are very simple to implement (though not particularly efficient) if you have a language with builtins for list manipulation. And bucket sort is the simplest of all, if your data are bucket-sortable. :P

So yeah, the answer is pretty much "it depends"

Browncat Programs

And things like adding stability might mess up a lot of quicksort's performance advantages

@pxeger Did you look at the answer below it with just as many upvotes?

Merge sort does way better with really large datasets

pxeger

for general-purpose, quicksort is still better

Browncat Programs

I guess, but probably not by much. (Though it's not too relevant because it's not like anybody writes their own sorting code anymore :p)

Codidact Posts

18:19

New Posts - Challenges - Code Golf: Repeat the characters

posted on September 09, 2021 by celtschk

Given a string and a non-negative integer $n$, output a new string in which each character is repeated $n$ times. Test cases: "abc", 1 -> "abc" "Hello", 0 -> "...

Browncat Programs

TIL the US had massive stockpiles of helium saved up for when airships (were supposed to have) became viable

Browncat Programs

18:53

Okay this is a pretty cool pattern:

(Found it while making a really simple 3d graphics library for fun)

pxeger

what's generating it? looks square-number-ish

Browncat Programs

It's just a 3d grid of points, with each one being drawn on screen at x / z, y / z

Projection?

emanresu A

19:55

@BrowncatPrograms Well, you should get an A+++ for bypassing the school's firewall.

emanresu A

20:09

Well, I got my second Nice Answer and overrepcapped ( Probably something to do with bounty shenanigans), so I'm happy.

o/

user

@AaronMiller The user defines it, but the same operator csn have different precedence based on its operands, and how that’s chosen is implementation defined

caird coinheringaahing

@AaronMiller precedence is ranked based on the ordering of the strings that indicate the operators

Aaron Miller

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'm not sure what you mean by that

caird coinheringaahing

* has a lower precedence than + because it comes earlier in the ascii table

All single character operators have a lower precedence than all 2 character operators

etc.

Aaron Miller

oh gosh that sounds so painful and unintuitive

thats a pretty good idea

Browncat Programs

20:17

Ooh, does that mean operators like & would have lower precedence than numbers, while numbers would have lower precedence than + or *? That could be really fun :p

Aaron Miller

ill definitely consider that one

Browncat Programs

@BrowncatPrograms Like if 12&68 was 1(2&6)8, or 128 :p

Aaron Miller

oof

caird coinheringaahing

20:32

@hyper-neutrino In case you missed it - marked status-completed

Browncat Programs

Hooray!

Kumar Shuvam

Hi everyone!

caird coinheringaahing

Hello

Kumar Shuvam

What this chatroom is all about?

caird coinheringaahing

We're the main chat room for the Code Golf Stack Exchange site

Browncat Programs

20:45

It's the main room for Code Golf, a site for competing to write the shortest code to solve a given challenge

caird coinheringaahing

So mainly about code golf and other coding challenges, but we allow most discussion here

Kumar Shuvam

I see, sounds interesting

I'm mainly active on maths chatrooms over StackExchange. So, this is pretty new to me

Actually, I have a question about the apps script.

caird coinheringaahing

Apps script?

Kumar Shuvam

Google apps script..haha

Browncat Programs

I used to do some stuff with that, I might be able to help

hyper-neutrino

20:51

@cairdcoinheringaahing omg

finally

my life is complete

caird coinheringaahing

:P

Kumar Shuvam

Oh! Cool, actually I have written this script and I want to implement it to different google sheets, so I don't want to go over the long of conventionally copying-pasting things, is there any short way to just migrate the project to different sheets

Browncat Programs

I think you can install it as an add-on, you might need to do that in a separate script though rather than the editor tied to that sheet

Kumar Shuvam

And how to do that?

Browncat Programs

Is it a standalone script?

(one you made on script.google.com, as opposed to one made for a specific sheet)

If it is, it looks like deploy as add-on might be the right thing

Unfortuntely it looks like things have changed a lot since I used Apps Script, so I'm not entirely sure

Kumar Shuvam

20:59

Yeah! It's standalone

New Posts

22:32

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Q: Tuple Assignment in Pyth

I was wondering if there is any way to assign 2 values (G and H) to say a list of ["egg", "chicken"]. In python it would be something along the lines of (G, H) = ["egg", "chicken"] At the moment the shortest way I can think of would be something like =N["egg""chicken");=G@N0;=H@N1 which uses th...

pyth

caird coinheringaahing

Hmm

Is that really on topic here?

rak1507

as a tips question? maybe

Browncat Programs

I'd say no

It's not asking for golfing tips

It's asking to do something in a golfing language

caird coinheringaahing

It's asking how to do something, but in a golfing lang

Browncat Programs

It'd be off topic if the language was Python, so it's off-topic if the language is Pyth

caird coinheringaahing

22:36

Stop reading my mind @BrowncatPrograms :P

@NewPosts Then again, OP does have a method that works, and could arguably be looking to shorten that

Bubbler

Can't we just assume "a question about programming in a golfing language" = "a question about the shortest way to achieve it in a golfing language"?

caird coinheringaahing

I don't think that's always the case, but it wouldn't take much effort for the OP to rework it to "This is what I have, can it be shortened?"

Bubbler

22:53

Lol, AndersK's answer just made the question on-topic

caird coinheringaahing

Yep :P

hyper-neutrino

well that's a convenient built-in for the OP lol

Bubbler

Meanwhile I found that pyth-lang is a tag on SO

Also forgot to mention, but I hit 50k rep yesterday :D

rak1507

congrats!

hyper-neutrino

woo \o/ congrats

Browncat Programs

22:56

Nice!!!

caird coinheringaahing

@Bubbler Nice! I noticed earlier that Mith did so as well on MSE, and (at the time of writing), you have the same totals (50043) :P

Bubbler

What a coincidence :P

caird coinheringaahing

@Bubbler huh, that didn't show up for me when I was looking for a pyth tag :/

Browncat Programs

@Bubbler Maybe y'all are sockpuppets but both forgot you're actually the same person

Bubbler

@cairdcoinheringaahing I just searched for "pyth" as text (not a tag) and found there's one actual question about the language Pyth

Somehow the rest of the questions are about plain Python or Pythagorean triples

Any feedback for this and this?

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