The Nineteenth Byte

user

13:16

@AaronMiller C'mon! :P

@user since when do I use "Lol"?

@WheatWizard And what is that?

@Wezl So you do need them?

@AviFS Does this help?

PyGamer0

@ngn i tried reading the source for ngn/k and, it is very golfed

user

@tjjfvi Isn't the poet supposed to be the one chasing the lions?

pxeger

@Adám shakes fist

user

@Adám But that's far too verbose, isn't it?

@ArtOfCode Nice, good to know

pxeger

@Dudecoinheringaahing I approve of this message

Adám

13:24

@user Sure, which is why I'd go for "residue"

pxeger

"residue" sounds a bit icky though don't you think?

user

Mmm, that feels more like leftovers than a remainder

@ChrisJester-Young Dew it

Browncat Programs

Don't reply to users just to keep chains going, if that's what you're doing

user

The chain's broken already

I just wanted to encourage CJY in case he ever comes back

PyGamer0

how does ngn even understand the code he writes lol. I can't understand anything except the preprocessors.

Browncat Programs

13:28

Is there anyone who actually thinks this markdown theme is good?

It's the default on Text

user

Well, he's the one writing that code, so he's probably used to it

@BrowncatPrograms Too much blue, and the list items are painful to read

Should be darker for better contrast with the background

pxeger

the header blue is too bluey as well

Browncat Programs

Here it is with my improved theme:

PyGamer0

@BrowncatPrograms thats not a dark theme

Browncat Programs

Indeed it's not

Text's dark theme is so bad it's painful

user

13:30

@BrowncatPrograms That grey is not nice, and the list item blue is even worse now

Browncat Programs

Unfortunately those are the two colors I can't fix

user

Maybe it's just me, but I'd prefer both to be darker

Browncat Programs

The gray has to be the same color as comments

And the blue has to be the same color as variable names

user

Well that's annoying

Browncat Programs

I actually like it, because nested list items are green and then purple

user

13:31

Is it possible for you to write your own syntax highlighter instead of simply changing the CSS?

Browncat Programs

It is, and I plan to

user

I bid you luck on your quest to tame Text

Browncat Programs

This is why I like the blue though:

pxeger

Is it not possible to just use a different editor?

user

Oh yeah, that is nice

pxeger

13:33

VS Code could work on a Chromebook, surely

Browncat Programs

What I plan to do doesn't actually involve changing the way it's parsed, I just need to change what CSS classes it uses and make it not have so many that are reused in weird places

@pxeger It's slow

Text is a chrome app so it runs natively

pxeger

ah ok

Browncat Programs

Plus I kind of like the fun of having to mod it myself :p

user

You'd make a good Arch user :P

pxeger

@BrowncatPrograms AFACIT, Text is no more native than any web app, and VS Code is a web app

Browncat Programs

13:34

One that I'm really curious on is how y'all like the HTML syntax highlighting.

pxeger

@user nope, Arch just works. Maybe Gentoo, where you have to build everything yourself

Browncat Programs

user

@pxeger Oh, I'd heard there were always problems because of the rolling releases

Browncat Programs

@pxeger Chrome apps work like apps on chromebooks, and since they're optimized to run chrome (and chrome apps) it's way faster

user

@BrowncatPrograms Looks okay, but everything could do with some darkening imo

exedraj

13:36

@BrowncatPrograms why do you feel that much meta is necessary?

Browncat Programs

It's good practice

pxeger

@BrowncatPrograms hey, stop competing with my project!!1

exedraj

@BrowncatPrograms if it was good practice they'd recommend it in my Web tech course which covers all sorts of good practices

Instead the only meta they require is encoding

Browncat Programs

Viewport is important

pxeger

(and IMO charset should go at the top of <head> so the title can be decoded correctly)

Browncat Programs

13:39

Charset can be anywhere in the first 1024 bytes

It's not like "everything above the charset is default encoding"

pxeger

oh that's weird

Browncat Programs

It's just "if your charset is too far down everything burns and we all die"

ngn

@PyGamer0 thank you. many people would use the word "unreadable" :)

exedraj

@BrowncatPrograms does your theme have xml support?

Browncat Programs

XML support?

It seems it does, yes

exedraj

13:41

Syntax highlighting

For xml

Browncat Programs

exedraj

@BrowncatPrograms very cool

Browncat Programs

I didn't write the JS part, I'm just overwriting the CSS for now

exedraj

@BrowncatPrograms have you ever had to write a doctype definition?

Browncat Programs

Yep, <!DOCTYPE html> :p

exedraj

13:43

Document type definition

A document type definition (DTD) is a set of markup declarations that define a document type for an SGML-family markup language (GML, SGML, XML, HTML). A DTD defines the valid building blocks of an XML document. It defines the document structure with a list of validated elements and attributes. A DTD can be declared inline inside an XML document, or as an external reference.XML uses a subset of SGML DTD. As of 2009, newer XML namespace-aware schema languages (such as W3C XML Schema and ISO RELAX NG) have largely superseded DTDs. A namespace-aware version of DTDs is being developed as Part 9 of...

@BrowncatPrograms one of ^

Browncat Programs

I think I've copied and pasted one from an RSS feed before

exedraj

Well once you've had to deal with one, you really learn to hate xml

Browncat Programs

I already know to do that :p

user

Imagine not hating XML from the start

exedraj

Xml bad but visual basic.net worse amiright?

user

13:49

idk, never tried it, but I am not doing Maven again, at any cost

exedraj

evidence why vb.net is pain

My commit messages and comments are surprisingly tame

As compared to some of my commit messages from other assignments I did

Browncat Programs

Ugh, CM's JS is minified and single-file-ified

exedraj

Code Mirror?

Browncat Programs

Text, I mean

But CM's JS is minified with it >:|

user

@exedraj Why does VB have so many weird keywords lol

Browncat Programs

14:03

@exedraj I can't tell if that's meant to be a programming language or a microsoft dev screaming into the void for help

VB looks awful

Unrelated String

14:38

End Class
End Sub
End If
Next

hmm

Browncat Programs

End It All Please

user

> Documentation is like s*x, when it’s good, it’s very, very good; when it’s bad, it’s better than nothing.

Aaron Miller

14:55

@user Documentation is like saxophones? Yeah, I can see that.

Unrelated String

if i were a sports person i'd say something about sox but i can't even remember what sport that's a team in

John Dvorak

End 3

user

15:12

@UnrelatedString Baseball if you're talking about the Red Sox

@AaronMiller I was talking about the number 6, but that works too :P

Aaron Miller

@user Oh, of course. I should've realized. :P

Browncat Programs

Gotta love when google docs autocomplete starts filling in the correct answers to your assignment

But Google's sure not helping:

John Dvorak

in before it's seeded by the wrong answers by the teacher

Browncat Programs

TIL Werner Heisenberg died at 6 years old :p

user

15:42

Actually, that's just the last time they knew his exact whereabouts, after that, he invented Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle to elude the police :P

Browncat Programs

Just wait, I know he'll need to rest one day and then we know his momentum

Adám

When driving, did Heisenberg avoid looking at the speedometer, so he wouldn't get lost?

John Dvorak

15:57

Legend says it that when he was riding the Autobahn, police once tried to stop him.
"Do you know how fast have you been driving, sir"
"I don't, but on the other hand I know exactly where I am"

ngn

"you were driving at 150km/h"
"now i'm lost.."

New Bounties With No Deadlines

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A: List of bounties with no deadline

500 rep for a shorter Hello, World in Lost Last month the Hello, World record in lost dropped to 37 bytes. Since then I have been trying to get it lower. I've found a number of different ways to do it in 37 bytes and I think 36 may very well be possible. I'm willing to give 500 reputation to a...

Aaron Miller

16:14

Well, I've been looking for a reason to learn Lost.

Browncat Programs

> Make sure that you have declared two private instance (non-static) int variables to hold the numerator and denominator, and one static int variable to hold the number of fractions.

  int n;
  int d;

  static int nf = 0;

And for some reason that's counted incorrect >:|

Aaron Miller

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

> If your answer is particularly impressive or inventive I will

@WheatWizard The suspense is killing me

Browncat Programs

16:37

Yayyy, finally learning about arrays

Such a complicated subject, glad they waited until halfway through the class to even mention they exist

user

16:49

@BrowncatPrograms Because it is incorrect lol

Although whatever problem it's from appears weird too

Browncat Programs

What's incorrect about it

user

They're not private

Browncat Programs

They aren't by default?

user

Why do you need to hold the number of instances of this class? (which I assume is a Fraction class)

@BrowncatPrograms They're package-private (which is an absolutely useless default but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)

Browncat Programs

@user I guess to show that I know how to use static :p

@user Ah, ok. I'm (slightly) used to JS where it defaults to private.

user

16:50

Reject static, return to companion

@BrowncatPrograms Oh, that's interesting, I thought everything was public in JS unless you had an underscore like Python

Browncat Programs

Ew gross

Variable names should not affect anything

If you use the class syntactic sugar, it is public by default IIRC

user

@BrowncatPrograms *FORTRAN has entered the chat*

Browncat Programs

And you need to prefix a # for private

But I prefer pre-ES6 style OOJS, honestly

Even though it's totally awful

user

Oh nice (although I don't like single-character "keywords")

Browncat Programs

yeah, I don't know why they don't just use private

user

16:53

Nim uses an asterisk to make things public and it's very difficult to tell what's public and what's private

Browncat Programs

I like how in JS to access them you have to do this.xyz, since it means you can use the same variable names in the class and in the constructor

I hate having things like num = n where it's inconsistent

pxeger

@user better than Elixir, which has def and defp

completely missable

user

Sure, but it'd get annoying when you have long method or field names (which, in Java, you invariably do) and you have to do this. each time

pxeger

and p? how should I know whether that's public or private without memorising it?

user

@pxeger Ah, Clojure has defn for public functions and defn- for private functions, because that's so readable

True

pxeger

16:55

wtaf

@user I like Ruby's @name syntax, although I wish they used a less noisy character than @

.name seems like it would make perfect sense

user

Like hidden files? . isn't too visible though, I feel like that'd be hard to miss

pxeger

(although actually . in Ruby implies a method call, and @name is a variable not a method)

Browncat Programs

Did chat stop working for y'all for a minute?

ngn

yes

Browncat Programs

public static boolean allNegative(double[] rick_astley) {
  for (int i = 0; i < rick_astley.length; i++) // How long is rick astley?
    if (rick_astley[i] >= 0.0) return false; // Check risk astley's eye

  return true; // Rick astley is pessimistic
}

I spent that time making this masterpiece

Oh, I had a comment on the first line that didn't get copied: // double the rick astley

user

17:01

snek

why_you_no_use_camel

Browncat Programs

Camels are gross

user

And you prefer danger noodles?

pxeger

@user It makes it clear enough that it's an instance variable not a local variable, don't you think? Instead of (Python) self.foo you just do .foo

You can have syntax highlighting to make it more obvious

@BrowncatPrograms (meta.stackexchange.com/questions/369110/did-chat-just-die-again)

user

Oh, I thought you meant using at the call site, not at the use site, that makes more sense

Browncat Programs

@pxeger Is deleted

pxeger

17:05

I know

> Did chat just die? (again)

Aaron Miller

Is there a flag or smth in Lost that will tell you the starting point/direction of the IP?

pxeger

You mean like for debugging so you can test various starting positions?

Aaron Miller

Yeah

pxeger

There is -d for debug mode

Aaron Miller

Does that not work on TIO?

pxeger

17:10

looks like there's no field for interpreter options, no

Aaron Miller

git clone time!

Browncat Programs

17:23

I am now halfway done with the year long computer science class I started two weeks ago :p

user

17:38

@Redwolf have this Java code to help you with your assignment:
https://tio.run/##7Vj/ctpGEP5fT7GdzKQnDMJA/mnAGKd1ZtpJ7Lom/TGp2zmkA8kRd5rTCQZ7eIS@R5@rL@Lu6SQhGUiwM03j1sxYP063@@3u961YfElntHHpvbu5CaaRkAouccEJKZ84lHOhqAoEd2pdy2rWXgnxrg4LkYBLOQQ8Zrh/RGMfr@E7tPsCXlO@0EuBC66YTin3YogT1wcaA3N9kVqOGCQx8yAYg/LZ4kvJIEoUiETFgcfADWkcszh3Wms2f03299tHVuqAPmk/rf329OyvP/6sNbtWlIxCDaZtEB1tri0LIJLBjCoGsU7AhXHAaQiDE6FOkjCEF0KEDAMZ/vDmGA5gZG6HIlsnSibMrsPLo1fnG5@PaRgzu5sCGfwMZyYCD6YYBTlXMuAToHLiv72wMSjAz0Cj01HI4BuR6BOVsrUK6@0FghHO5nA6umSuIrmd/uQZmVRidO@qcQTxgru@FDy4woL2hv0SxlC7l@RrXZreYV/X6OrKrsCt3AN4RUhSppFcN1r7…

It's full of ~~cursed code~~ code that shows the beautiful parts of Java

(I spent way too much time on that)

Aaron Miller

@user -1 not enough Booleans

user

:(

Browncat Programs

Can you put it in a gist, TIO's blocked here :/

user

Sure

gist.github.com/ysthakur/b89ac5c8973a5a0ca401b9e58552c213

Browncat Programs

thx 4 teh codes

user

17:46

I used the brand-new Stream feature released in Java 8 (which came out recently in 2014) to make the code more concise

Anonymous classes and lambdas are such a boon!

Browncat Programs

That is some very helpful code. It could use some abstraction though.

user

True, there's only one real class

Need an IsNegative interface

tjjfvi

18:19

@user Yeah, but it went wrong halfway through the poem

user

Shi

New Posts

18:37

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Q: Interpreter for dead lan

Your job is to write an interpreter for an esolang. It accepts a total of 6 commands. Now lets talk about the language (we'll call it dead_lan) You can an accumulator which cycles between 0 and 256 (if it hits 256 it simply stops and gives an error. Similarly if it falls below 0 it simply stops a...

Aaron Miller

19:01

New Posts is still cat

Browncat Programs

Oops

pxeger

19:14

You're also still a cat

Browncat Programs

status-bydesign

pxeger

status-cats-are-bad

Aaron Miller

Is there any way to make a Lost program error?

tjjfvi

19:42

Find it

Aaron Miller

lol

Aaron Miller

20:07

A first answer popped up in the queues that wasn't valid, so I left a comment explaining why. I don't want to do "looks good" or "edit", and I don't want to do one of the canned responses, since I left a comment, so how do I specify that I left feedback, in order to make the review count?

Browncat Programs

20:18

I'd just do Looks Good

I don't know why there's not a way to indicate you left feedback that isn't one of those options

Aaron Miller

Thx, I'll do that next time.

Browncat Programs

These new features seem to be directed at SO reviewing, I think

Where throughput's more important than quality

Aaron Miller

That would make sense

Browncat Programs

Agreed that this is a good idea. I'm going to be working on adding this option back in. Might take a few days, but I'll mark this as status-planned. Thanks for the feedback. — kristinalustig ♦ 8 hours ago

They're going to be re-adding the "I'm Done" option for after you flag/VTx/comment

I've noticed SE seems to be kind of off-and-on with community feedback recently

There's a whole lot of status-planned and status-review in that post, and yet we still get stuff like the profile page "improvements"

emanresu A

20:42

i!H

Browncat Programs

H!i!

user

@emanresuA Why are your messages so often scrambled these days?

emanresu A

It's not, just rotated 180 degrees.

user

Ooh, didn't notice that

Browncat Programs

Did you know that the QWERTY keyboard was designed specifically so that typing with an upside down keyboard types what you're writing upside down? Try it!

Aaron Miller

20:50

l°l

@emanresuA Nice pfp

emanresu A

Tree wearing sunglasses

The meaning's in the transcript somewhere

But it's user and pygamer's fault

Pygamer for the tree, user for the sunglasszes.

Aaron Miller

24 hours ago, by user

@emanresuA You'd look better with glasses

23 hours ago, by emanresu A

puts sunglasses on

emanresu A

yesterday, by PyGamer0

so @emanresuA you are the tree?

yesterday, by emanresu A

Yes

Browncat Programs

Best response to star abuse I've seen:

Apr 2 '15 at 18:41, by Geobits

I leave for 40 minutes and you guys trash the place. I'm calling all your parents.

It has 12 stars of course

Aaron Miller

as is expected of the TTNB :P

Browncat Programs

20:59

The average starred message here has nearly three stars, surprisingly

I'd expect lots more single star messages

Dude coinheringaahing

For a long period of time, anything funny that got starred would easily get 10+ stars :P

Back when TNB was the most active, starred messages either had 1 or 2 stars, or 15+ :P

emanresu A

Nov 12 '15 at 22:26, by Doorknob

okay seriously stop abusing stars

126 stars

Dude coinheringaahing

The most starred message in any room

emanresu A

Oh wow

12042438902 You can just do this

2

Dude coinheringaahing

If anyone stars that, I'll clear it :P

emanresu A

21:05

:(

Codidact Posts

21:24

New Posts - Challenges - Code Golf: Compute the determinant

posted on August 27, 2021 by Moshi

Challenge A simple challenge: Given a two-dimensional matrix (an array of arrays) of real numbers, compute the determinant. The determinant of a matrix is a mathematical constr...

Browncat Programs

21:54

@emanresuA 127 now

Aw man, I thought I figured out something cool by using a handwritten POST request to star that, but you can do it from the transcripts :/

Dude coinheringaahing

You can star from the transcript, but can't clear stars :/

Browncat Programs

If someone ever clears the stars on that message I will save up for a plane ticket and hunt them down and make them create 127 alt accounts to restore it :p

user

Why is chat so weird?

i dum

Oh nvm

Dude coinheringaahing

@user Because it was created by balpha over a weekend, likely powered by waffles and Red Bull, and since then, no-one's touched it

user

lol

Dude coinheringaahing

22:01

@BrowncatPrograms I don't think you can

Browncat Programs

Sure you can, with a handwritten POST request

Dude coinheringaahing

You can only clear stars from the starboard, not from the transcript or the /starred page, and that is never going onto the starboard again

Wezl

ooh, what's the starboard algorithm?

Dude coinheringaahing

Each message is assigned a weight based on age, # of stars and time since last star, then ranked on those weights

Wezl

@user they're prescribed if that's what you're asking. And sure, it is important for my health to be able to fully appreciate trees

Browncat Programs

22:13

What the heck

I'm trying to copy a folder

And the percentage copied is going down

ngn

@BrowncatPrograms let me guess. you're using windows?

Browncat Programs

It was at 98% and now it's at 94%

@ngn No, rsync on linux

ngn

hm..

emanresu A

Sus'

user

@ngn If it was Windows, it wouldn't go down, it'd go down, then up, then down, then up, then crash :P

Browncat Programs

22:17

It's doing it again >:|

I was at 99% now it's 97%

tjjfvi

Are you writing more files into the folder?

/ could something be doing that?

Browncat Programs

I doubt it

Dude coinheringaahing

@BrowncatPrograms That's just the NSA stealing the Ash source code :P

Browncat Programs

Uhh...why's it telling me it's 99% done when there's 405MB and it's at 50MB

I conclude that rsync's just broken :p

user

@Dudecoinheringaahing Probably the Risky source code, it's a matter of national security

@BrowncatPrograms I guess the approximation just isn't that good

tjjfvi

22:22

Maybe it hasn't recursed into folders to calculate their size?

Dude coinheringaahing

I dunno, stealing that would be pretty
(•_•) / ( •_•)>⌐■-■ / (⌐■_■)
Risky

user

Probably a tradeoff between performance and accuracy

ngn

@BrowncatPrograms from "man rsync": In an incremental recursion scan,rsync won’t know the total number of files in the file-list until it reaches the ends of the scan,but since it starts to transfer files during the scan,it will display a line with the text "ir-chk" (for incremental recursion check) instead of "to-chk" until the point that it knows the full size of the list

Browncat Programs

Ah, ok

ngn

^^this sounds like it wouldn't know the total size to transfer either

Browncat Programs

22:23

>:| why the heck does Text Dev have the whole 361 MB material design icon library when it uses three of them

emanresu A

Why am I wearing sunglasses?

user

Is this a trick question?

tjjfvi

Are we playing the questions game?

Browncat Programs

Honestly I should probably just write my own code editor at this point

user

Redwolf was never seen again...

tjjfvi

22:33

CMC: write a code editor

Browncat Programs

data:text/html,<html contenteditable><body style="font-family:monospace">

emanresu A

data:text/html,<body contenteditable>

ninjad

tjjfvi

Both of those allow way more that just code

Wezl

so you think a code editor should not allow that?

emanresu A

data:text/html,<html contenteditable><body style="font-family:monospace" onchange='eval(this.value)'>

Wheat Wizard

22:36

Brain-flak: 0 bytes.

You enter the code you would like and it gives it to you.

Browncat Programs

@emanresuA No .value on a contenteditable

user

@tjjfvi Minimum requirements?

emanresu A

@WheatWizard Does ([)] annoy you?

Wheat Wizard

What?

emanresu A

Mismatched brakets

Wheat Wizard

22:37

What about them?

Dude coinheringaahing

That's just the minified version of ([()]) :P

Wezl

@tjjfvi ruby, $>.map{puts _1}, enter code on stdin, outputs on stdout

tjjfvi

@user Navigation, insertion/deletion of text at cursor

Wezl

:( you ruined the challenge

tjjfvi

What, by making it more than "write a cat program"?

user

22:40

Well, then ⍞ in APL should do

tjjfvi

@Wezl Really, @user ruined the challenge by asking for minimum requirements :P

emanresu A

Minifying???
?>?
?

Wezl

yes

tjjfvi

Vim, 0 bytes. Input is taken appended to the end of the program

Dude coinheringaahing

@emanresuA ([)] is the minified form of ([()])

user

22:42

@tjjfvi Don't blame me for a poorly specified challenge 😡. VTC as unclear :P

tjjfvi

You're just jealous that I beat your APL answer

emanresu A

Polyglot with Vxyal an d Javastack, among others

tjjfvi

I doubt those do "navigation" and "deletion of text at cursor" :P

user

@tjjfvi Of course, saying you're creating a new code editor by literally just using a code editor is totally valid :P

Browncat Programs

Y'all are lazy, I'm over here writing the boilerplate for an actual code editor :p

tjjfvi

22:47

@user I mean, @BrowncatPrograms and @emanresuA started it

user

@BrowncatPrograms Why bother though? If it's not a native app like Text, you might as well use Vim or Sublime or somethiing

Browncat Programs

It will be

I can write chrome apps

vim or sublime would have to go through linux

user

Oh cool

What are Chrome apps written in? JS or C/C++/something low-level?

Oh, so JS

emanresu A

@exedraj What Vyxal was this monstrosity?

exedraj

23:14

@emanresuA v1.something

@BrowncatPrograms are you learning Java?

Because if so, very cool

emanresu A

23:30

Any fibal feebdack?

exedraj

@emanresuA did you forgor to add exmample?

Dude coinheringaahing

@emanresuA Related

@emanresuA Why couldn't an answer just get the random integer and normalise it to the 0 ... m-1 range based on the 0 ... n-1 range?

Also, can the ranges use 1 .. n instead if we so choose?

emanresu A

Yes

@Dudecoinheringaahing Wdym>

Dude coinheringaahing

Wait, I didn't see m > n

emanresu A

23:58

Ok, any other problems?

I've edited in a bit of stuff from my discussion with Wheat Wizard

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