The Nineteenth Byte

Wheat Wizard

8:00 PM

Flags have been around for a long while. And it seems just fine.

user

🏳️

Dude coinheringaahing

Flags aren't shown to every user because in the situations where they are intended to be used, such a thing could and would cause flame wars and increased arguments/insults. Flags are shown to non-mod users, because it's very intimidating to have a wave of diamonds crash into the room, put it in timeout and start handing out suspensions. Flags are not a way to "tattle anonymously behind your back", they are a way to indicate that someone in the room finds something inappropriate, and they'd like other users to take a second look.

And I think it;s best to leave this at that

AviFS

@WheatWizard Lots of things seem fine until you're the one behind the stocks

Dude coinheringaahing

@AviFS Having interacted with you, I know you to be the kind of user who wouldn't go around posting spam and insults. Therefore, you don't have to worry about being "the one behind the stocks"

user

@AviFS Who's being put into stocks?

Dude coinheringaahing

8:02 PM

Now please, can we stop talking about this before I have to put the room in timeout?

user

It takes multiple users to vote on flags, so it's not as if a rogue user can go around deleting other people's messages

AviFS

Sorry for dragging it on!

user

@Dudecoinheringaahing Good idea, let's switch the topic to S-words :)

Wheat Wizard

What's wrong with this conversation?

pxeger

@WheatWizard I'm finding it quite tiresome

AviFS

8:03 PM

Most things in life are quite tiresome :p

Dude coinheringaahing

And it's Streisanding the flag, which was handled 45 minutes ago with nothing actually happening from it

user

@pxeger Sadly, it's sapping my spirit

Wezl

@AviFS Most things in ~~life~~ the TTNB are quite tiresome :p :P

AviFS

Haha, I actually find TNB to be one of the few things which isn't... sometimes

pxeger

Now, let's subside this substandard subtopic

and the suchlike

AviFS

8:05 PM

supine protoplasmic invertebrate jellies

Dude coinheringaahing

ಠ_ಠ I'm so close to finishing the blog post, but I can't

Aaron Miller

@pxeger sensational suggestion

pxeger

Noone here is allowed to use S words except me, because I'm the only one with the alphabetical list of available usernames streaming down my terminal

AviFS

ssssssss

ngn

@pxeger xure

pxeger

8:07 PM

Do you need supervision?

Dude coinheringaahing

A Keyboard That Is Only P's #shorts

►

pxeger

ppp

Dude coinheringaahing

pppppppppp

pxeger

ppppppppppppppppppppppppp

Adám

OK, I think we should stop this before it gets out of hand.

Browncat Programs

8:08 PM

So, some subtle secret starfish start sending sailboats south, searching secretly? Say some sink, should sailors start singing? Sadly, some say "sure". Such scoundrels should suffer. Safe sailing should seldom seek song.

Dude coinheringaahing

@Adám :P

tjjfvi

Chinese (pinyin) wins:

Shíshì shīshì Shī Shì, shì shī, shì shí shí shī.

Shì shíshí shì shì shì shī.

Shí shí, shì shí shī shì shì.

Shì shí, shì Shī Shì shì shì.

Shì shì shì shí shī, shì shǐ shì, shǐ shì shí shī shìshì.

Shì shí shì shí shī shī, shì shíshì.

Shíshì shī, Shì shǐ shì shì shíshì.

Shíshì shì, Shì shǐ shì shí shì shí shī.

Shí shí, shǐ shí shì shí shī shī, shí shí shí shī shī.

Shì shì shì shì.

user

Hey, I've heard of that one!

Mr. Shi gets eaten by a lion or something, right?

tjjfvi

No, I think Mr. Shi, the poet, eats the lion

10 lions, in fact

chinesepod.com/blog/2014/10/25/…

user

Oh wow

Mr. Shi must be very hungry

Shi should subsume some salad instead

Aaron Miller

8:19 PM

cat dictionary.txt | egrep "^s" | awk '{system("sleep .5");print}'

@pxeger now I can use S-words too!

tjjfvi

@tjjfvi If you read this poem rapidly, it sounds like you're being chased by 10 lions

emanresu A

@tjjfvi You are amazing.

That question was unanswered for seven. years before you came along.

Aaron Miller

@emanresuA They also answered the aLL1en language question last month

Dude coinheringaahing

tjjfvi definitely seems to be going for the unanswered questions :P

emanresu A

Ok, wow.

tjjfvi

8:23 PM

(I also have an answer to Totally Cubular, I'm just finishing up the explanation)

Aaron Miller

dang

emanresu A

By the time you've finished, every question on the site is going to have been answered.

Dude coinheringaahing

Oh, @AviFS, in case you missed it, Learn You A Lang For Great Good is now a scheduled event, with the first one taking place on Wednesday

emanresu A

Well, except this

Browncat Programs

@tjjfvi Wait seriously?!

emanresu A

8:27 PM

Dude, why did you even write ^? 2^81 bruteforce time... It's going to require huge growth in modern computing.

tjjfvi

@BrowncatPrograms Yup!

Dude coinheringaahing

@emanresuA Because brute-force isn't the only way to solve it, it's just the easiest

AviFS

@Dudecoinheringaahing Thanks caird!!

emanresu A

Who's caird? Never heard of them

Dude coinheringaahing

caird? Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time

Of course I know him. She's me :P

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Browncat Programs

8:41 PM

CMQ: Favorite color?

Bonus CMQ: RBG or HSL? Or are you into CMYK or RYB or HSB?

emanresu A

Orange

@BrowncatPrograms And RGB

Adám

@BrowncatPrograms Monochromatic magenta.

Wezl

@BrowncatPrograms #a85

tjjfvi

@BrowncatPrograms I'm partial to a nice #151820

Browncat Programs

Slightly bluish black, right?

Wezl

8:43 PM

@BrowncatPrograms RGB with the #[0-9a-f]{3} notation

tjjfvi

Yeah

Browncat Programs

I definitely like HSL more

Wezl

@Wezl darker or lighter depending on the situation

emanresu A

@Wezl Yesthatwhatimeanmtthtr'randalsomyspacekeyisbad

Browncat Programs

The only time I like the #xxx notation is for syntax highlighting

emanresu A

8:45 PM

With #xxx notation it's much easier to get a general sense of the colour.

Wezl

^

Browncat Programs

It's even easier with HSL

Aaron Miller

Fun fact: Not only can you make multiple pythonanywhere accounts from the same email address, it's not unintended. If you have multiple accounts and try to sign in with the address instead of the username, that's one of the possible reasons it mentions as to why it doesn't work.

Wezl

the only time I like the rgb(,,) notation is when making colors from JS

Browncat Programs

I don't think any humans prefer the rgb(,,) notation over hex :p

Wezl

8:47 PM

@BrowncatPrograms I guess that makes sense, if you're used to it

Adám

@BrowncatPrograms A like saturated ≈510 nm. Not sure how to express that in any of those formats.

Browncat Programs

You can really quickly figure out roughly what the color will look like in HSL just from the hue, then you can figure out how grayish it is and how dark it is just as quickly

Wezl

I hate how the chrome(os?) color picker doesn't allow 3 hex digit codes

att

@BrowncatPrograms what about LAB

Browncat Programs

Forgot about that one

There's also some others I think

att

8:51 PM

quite a few others

Adám

@BrowncatPrograms so something like hsl(120,120%,50%), I guess.

Browncat Programs

I don't think saturation higher than 100% does anything

hsl(120, 100%, 50%) is just pure green #00ff00

Adám

Yeah, that, but a bit greener.

Browncat Programs

Idk about your monitor, but it's pretty green for me already :p

Adám

Sure, but there exists much more green than your computer can tell your monitor to display.

Dude coinheringaahing

8:55 PM

@BrowncatPrograms I require all colors to be descriptions of things I can see at the time :P

e.g. "red" is "the color of the Doritos bag next to me" :P

Browncat Programs

My eyes've just evolved to only see the exact colors of my screen's red, green, and blue subpixels :p

Every other wavelength is just meaningless noise

Adám

Dude coinheringaahing

@Dudecoinheringaahing On the other hand, if you're my friend, I ask that you describe colors with the wavelength of the light :P

Adám

@Dudecoinheringaahing Uh, what wavelength does #FF00FF have?

user

@Adám You are no longer Dude's friend :P

Dude coinheringaahing

8:57 PM

I have no idea what FF00FF is, could you describe it in the context of the colours I can see atm? :P

AviFS

@Adám who wants to tell him that's still in rgb

emanresu A

The colour in the circle on adam's image

user

@Dudecoinheringaahing It's the purple of...the cloak of the witch standing behind you?

AviFS

Precisely, #08E547, in fact

Dude coinheringaahing

@user Oh you mean Claudia? That helps, thanks :P

user

8:59 PM

o.O

Dude coinheringaahing

Also, she prefers the term "magic user" rather than the gendered term "witch" :P

Adám

@Dudecoinheringaahing Sure, imagine a light switching back and forth between 440 nm and 660 nm at 200 Hz.

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user

Fair enough

ngn

@BrowncatPrograms #000

user

I think Harry Potter's the only place where "witch" isn't an insult

How does Claudia feel about the word "sorcerer"?

Dude coinheringaahing

9:00 PM

@Adám Ah, that color

emanresu A

Sorcerer's still gendered

user

Is it?

Dude coinheringaahing

@user Not a fan, sorcerer implies (at least in DND) that her magic is genetic

Wezl

if you compare it with sorceress

Adám

@AviFS The colours in the image are not representative of actual values.

user

9:02 PM

@Dudecoinheringaahing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I don't play DND but aight

ngn

@Wezl so, sorcerer-sorceress => moderator-moderatress?

user

@Wezl True, although I wouldn't say "actor" or "host" are gendered because of "actress" or "hostess"

Dude coinheringaahing

@user Wizard = nerd, cleric = god, sorcerer = genetic, warlock = sugar baby

3

user

Uh

I'm not sure what that means but okay :P

Wezl

@user I mean yeah, I don't think of any of those words (including sorceror) as gendered usually

att

9:04 PM

@Dudecoinheringaahing or describe colors based on the response levels of the 3 different cone cell types :)

Dude coinheringaahing

@user Wizards get their magic through study, Clerics through worship, Sorcerers have innate magic abilities from their bloodline, Warlocks get it through pacts with otherworldly creatures

user

@att Won't that differ from person to person? That's a whole new level of cursed

Dude coinheringaahing

(at least in dnd 5e)

user

> sugar baby

> pacts

att

better, it differs within a single person

user

9:05 PM

Oh yeah, two eyes

Solution: poke out an eye

emanresu A

@Wezl You got me yjrtr.

Dude coinheringaahing

@user Sugar babies are just people who made pacts to do sexual stuff for money :P

Wezl

CMC: If you poked out one of your eyeballs, which one would it be

Dude coinheringaahing

@Dudecoinheringaahing Sorry, correction: clerics = bible camp dweebs :P

emanresu A

My third one, I dont' really need an extra :p

user

9:07 PM

@Dudecoinheringaahing Oh ok

Wezl

the top one or the bottom one

user

@Wezl My left one, it's worse than the right

Dude coinheringaahing

@Wezl Probably the one I keep in my freezer

user

@Wezl The one with the number three written on it, of course. Don't you label your eyes?

att

my right eye's a lot worse than my left

Wezl

9:08 PM

@Dudecoinheringaahing safe choice

user

@att Wanna trade eyes? :P

Dude coinheringaahing

I think my left is better than my right, but it's not by a significant amount

Wezl

I'd poke out both my eyes and wear glasses instead :P

Dude coinheringaahing

...that's not how glasses work :P

Wezl

trust me I wear them IRL

Dude coinheringaahing

9:10 PM

You know the expression "four eyes"? 2 of those eyes have to come from somewhere :P

@Wezl So do I :P

emanresu A

Same :p

Wezl

I'm not sure if the :Ps cancel out in this case

Dude coinheringaahing

CMP: Do you regularly wear glasses?

Wezl

I wear them when I go outside

emanresu A

:p * :p = ::P

Wezl

9:11 PM

so, no :P

ngn

@Dudecoinheringaahing never (except sunglasses)

Wezl

I don't need them but they make trees look much better

emanresu A

I am a tree

user

@Dudecoinheringaahing I'm going to have to when I start going outside now

I've been spending so much time on my laptop during the pandemic that I'm getting nearsighted :/

@emanresuA You'd look better with glasses

emanresu A

True

att

9:14 PM

@user my right for yours? :)

user

I was thinking the other way around :P

Wezl

inb4 minecraft adds another useless metal and another useless gem just to make glasses :P

ngn

next: trading teeth

(eye for an eye..)

user

@att Or we could steal ngn's eyes (no offence), since they don't seem to wear glasses :P

att

sounds like a plan

Dude coinheringaahing

9:15 PM

@Wezl Well, the 1.18 experimental snapshots haven't introduced any new items/blocks I believe

user

So, @ngn, I see you live in Ruse. Could you be a bit more specific about your address? :P

AviFS

I'm brand new to the world of web servers/backends and I'm trying to find my way

ngn

@user i don't, but i have other issues that glasses can't fix. sometimes i see spiky brightly-coloured flickering shapes that aren't there

AviFS

Just learned how to do it in Go, but now switching to Python I can't even figure out what to look up to find the right resuls

user

@ngn Oh that's just a hologram of me :P

AviFS

9:17 PM

I'm getting either the trivial built in simplehttpserver or full-fledged things like flask & django

user

Why not go for simple first?

AviFS

What would you look up to find simple libraries/examples in Python for get/post/etc requests

user

Bottle is easy to learn afaik

@AviFS I would look up simple libraries/examples in Python for get/post/etc requests :P

AviFS

Not so easy though

Dude coinheringaahing

@Dudecoinheringaahing Nope, Sculk sensors and Bundles have both been added to 1.18

AviFS

9:19 PM

I think I don't have the right words. [web backend, web server, http requests, ...]?

ngn

@user if i was more gullible i might have thought it's a message from god (you?), but no, it's something in my brain. luckily, it hasn't shown up for years

AviFS

If you're new to a language, what do you look up to find this stuff?

ngn

@AviFS its.. documentation?

AviFS

no no, the web servery stuff

Should I just be using django/flask maybe?

I thought that was for fullstack, rather than backend

tjjfvi

Flask seems simple enough, at least based on this example

palletsprojects.com/p/flask

I mostly use node.js, where the de-facto library is express. Searching for python express equivalent gives flask, so I'd try that

emanresu A

9:28 PM

puts sunglasses on

AviFS

@user I'm really liking Bottle actually

Still don't feel like I have the language for this, but this'll work, I think!

Unrelated String

@Dudecoinheringaahing very

tjjfvi

Do you mean "very regularly", or are you just living up to your username?

Unrelated String

i'd say the lenses are so old that i may as well not wear them but without glasses i can't read text on my laptop screen without leaning in to like a foot away

so they suck but they're still considerably better than nothing

tjjfvi

@Dudecoinheringaahing I used to wear glasses if I went to a movie theater or a play

But that's not really a thing anymore, so...

Unrelated String

9:37 PM

i have never done this but i feel like i might actually work backwards
find a good framework, then learn the language :P

i have never bothered to learn any kind of network or web dev stuff because every time i think of stuff to do with it i think "but i don't have a server" and every time i remember free hosting exists i think "but what would i do with it"

Wheat Wizard

I just finished a solution to one of the top 5 unanswered questions. But I'm to exhausted to golf it down into a "competative" solution.

Dude coinheringaahing

9:52 PM

Is it the brainflak one that just got bumped?

Wheat Wizard

Maybe ...

Dude coinheringaahing

> I'm posting this and deleting it so I can golf it down later. It does work though.

Fair enough :P

> 2770 UTF-8 bytes

Wheat Wizard

Uh It's longer than that.

Dude coinheringaahing

That's ungolfed, so I'm expecting maybe 1000 to 1500 bytes golfed

Wheat Wizard

I have a massive header.

4722 bytes total.

Dude coinheringaahing

9:54 PM

Oh right. Just the code posted is 2770 bytes

Wheat Wizard

I originally wanted to do an answer in hgl and everything in the header is in hgl. (except compose which I meant to implement but haven't yet)

tjjfvi

@WheatWizard nooooo :P

user

@ngn Oh, that sucks

(btw I'm not god, because:

Aug 22 at 13:28, by user

@pxeger I AM GOD

Codidact Posts

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posted on August 26, 2021 by Mark Giraffe

This challenge is currently on the beta release. If enough positivity is given to the challenge, then it will remain here. If not, please head over to the

ngn

@user no, it's beautiful :) and i'm lucky to not be experiencing migraines with it (though i did have bad migraines when i was a child)

user

10:03 PM

Ah, the Wikipedia page made it seem annoying

Wheat Wizard

@tjjfvi Your solution inspired me to actually finish what I've been working on and off again on for a long time.

user

The artist's rendering does look interesting though

ngn

@user it just blocks your vision for about half an hour while it lasts, that's all

and the first time, when you don't know what it is, it's quite scary

user

Ah

In that case, those eyes are looking pretty good :P

ngn

@user yep, my eyes as organs are fine for trading, just make sure to use proper visual nerves and a visual cortex with them :)

user

10:09 PM

That part of my brain/nervous system's pretty decent, at least :P

ngn

(dear tnb, i'm sorry you have to read conversations like this)

Dude coinheringaahing

Honestly, trading organs isn't the weirdest thing we've talked about here :P

ngn

true :D

user

lol, TNB literally had a whole conversation about ⍴○rn○gr⍺⍴hy

Dude coinheringaahing

Yes, one whole conversation, and only one

user

10:10 PM

And even worse, there are people here who think JS is good (including one of the ROs!) /s

Three whole pages of porn

Nineteen pages of death

Three pages of ⍴○○⍴

Dude coinheringaahing

Jan 9 '16 at 0:01, by Alex A.

They have a bot that autoposts softcore porn.

user

And 23 pages of SQL

Dude coinheringaahing

"They" here refers to Anime.SE's chat room, The Maid Cafe

user

Oh no, the site full of weebs /s

Jan 9 '16 at 0:04, by quartata

I wish chat moderation didn't suck

Is it looking like chat will get any improvements in the near future?

Dude coinheringaahing

Well, this was the most recent status-completed chat post

emanresu A

10:15 PM

oes Codidact have repcats?

Dude coinheringaahing

No

But this search (status-completed, chat, feature-request) shows that the last one was in 2018 :/

rak1507

my organs are crap, you can have them if you want :P

would not recommend

Wezl

yeah my organs tend to have the keys chipped and the pipes are leaky

Browncat Programs

Feature Request: You can edit other people's profiles, like tag wikis :p

Wezl

*support*

emanresu A

10:27 PM

@BrowncatPrograms status-nuked

rak1507

@Wezl lol

Wezl

I'd hate having any kind of organs with leaky pipes

rak1507

only ever played a fake electric-y organ, never got to play a proper one in a church, would be fun

Wezl

I went to an organ workshop event thingy but I don't remember actually playing there

rak1507

cool

Dude coinheringaahing

10:30 PM

@BrowncatPrograms Only if they go into the SE review queue for users with <20k rep :P

Wezl

more review queues <-> more better

D: wiktionary says queue is not pronounced keweyewey

rak1507

yes, the 'ueue' is silent :P

Browncat Programs

I pronouce it "kwee-wee"

emanresu A

Quih-ee-ou-ee-ou-ee

Dude coinheringaahing

queue = q

Browncat Programs

10:33 PM

@emanresuA What is the ou supposed to sound like?

emanresu A

No queue.

Browncat Programs

Huh, HSB actually looks better than HSL

Bubbler

Speaking of sound, deque is worse than queue

ngn

how do you make a group of brits stand in place forever?

you make a circular q

Dude coinheringaahing

Isn't that just a Q? :P

Browncat Programs

10:44 PM

CMQ: Favorite color selector from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hsl-hsv-colorpickers.svg?

A looks really cool with the hexagon

G is probably the most practical, though

No wait, A has a way to specify numeric values, so I like it even more

emanresu A

Yeah

rak1507

has to be F, it's the classic

Browncat Programs

I don't like it, it looks hard to get the right color

If you're putting HSL on a square you're doing it wrong

rak1507

C then

Browncat Programs

a > g > c > e > d > b > f

imo

ngn

10:48 PM

@BrowncatPrograms don't give me an infinity of continuous choices, give me no more than 8 discrete choices

rak1507

@ngn 8?! That's a lot for a k programmer :P

ngn

@rak1507 hehe :) k funcs can have up to 8 args

rak1507

oh yeah

ngn

need more than that? - you're probably missing some

rak1507

that reminds me: I was looking at words ending -ad and -adic to see if they're valid in scrabble, monad dyad... octad are all valid, and monadic dyadic ... octadic are all valid... apart from 'heptadic'! where's the logic in that, very annoying

Dude coinheringaahing

10:51 PM

What about septadic?

rak1507

nope

Dude coinheringaahing

Frick 7, all my homies hate 7 :P

rak1507

inconsistencies are really frustrating because for more common things you have to remember what isn't allowed for arbitrary reasons :/

ngn

@rak1507 heptadic appears to be a word

rak1507

yeah, but it's not in the scrabble dictionary

even though all the others from 1-8 are

ngn

10:54 PM

@rak1507 btw, do you know what a function with 0 args should be called?

rak1507

@ngn well APL calls it a nilad, but I don't know if that's a good name or not

Dude coinheringaahing

A constant, or a nilad :P

ngn

@rak1507 @Dudecoinheringaahing no, because "nil" is latin and "adic" is greek :)

Dude coinheringaahing

Midic then?

ngn

"niladic" is a mongrel just like "television"

@Dudecoinheringaahing close!

medadic

in the k tree, Mar 18 '20 at 21:24, by beagle3

@ktye Unrelated, but a pet peeve of mine - https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:English_arities_and_adicities - niladic is term, medadic is supposedly the real word for "zero-sided relation"

rak1507

10:57 PM

I doubt anyone else would know what that means, unless they know the greek. It's interesting that words like 'tetrahedron' are obviously common knowledge but the greek for zero is pretty unknown

DLosc

@BrowncatPrograms Having thought about this some more, I've come to the conclusion that a stack-based paradigm would be best. That way you don't really have to worry about parse errors (if there's some kind of nesting structure, it could auto-close unbalanced delimiters), and anything that isn't a valid command could just be a no-op.

Dude coinheringaahing

@DLosc What about tacit?

If you have nilads, monads and dyads, the only "pattern" that doesn't make sense is nilads without dyads. If you then do something with that nilad, you've got a well defined program for any structure

Bubbler

@BrowncatPrograms Factor without syntax words and stack effect checker is exactly this

and it is stack based (aka concatenative)

Dude coinheringaahing

For example, Jelly never has syntax errors - all it's errors are type based IIRC

DLosc

@BrowncatPrograms Somewhere in the vicinity of #090. The color of leaves in spring.

@Dudecoinheringaahing Yes, pretty much always.

@Dudecoinheringaahing I reckon that's another possibility, just not one that I'm very familiar with.