The Nineteenth Byte

golden_bat

08:04

Hey guys, could any of you please take a look at my proposed challenge? https://codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/23700/94346
Is it clear enough? Do you think is interesting?

A username

Final feedback?

pxeger

08:15

@Ausername I'm working on the wording in an edit because I think it's not that clear atm,

A username

@pxeger Ok

golden_bat

@Ausername have you consider to allow just a string in output? I think it would be more accessible for low level languages

PyGamer0

is there a way to make the key alive in microsoft keyboard layout creator?

oh nvm got it

pxeger

@golden_bat that doesn't really work for higher dimensional arrays though

@Ausername what about empty input?

I'd suggest saying the program is expected not to handle an empty list

golden_bat

08:38

@pxeger Of course, I've said that bc I don't think that display the answer as an array adds anything to this challenge. How can you produce the correct (string) output without have treated it as an array with the given dimension? It's a bit redundant

A username

@pxeger Oh yep

golden_bat

In the same way, nobody would take advantage of this type of output in a language capable of handling arrays. It doesn't give you more possibility

A username

@pxeger Thanks for that

@golden_bat I understand your point, but I don't understand how to implement it for ≥3 dimensions.

Anyway, now that pxeger's fixed it, good to post?

pxeger

@Ausername yeah probably, go ahead

A username

Ok

Adám

08:50

@PyGamer0 I got you hooked on MSKLC?

golden_bat

@Ausername what is the problem for ≥3 dimensions?

PyGamer0

@Adám wdym?

A username

You can express a 2d array like

Adám

@PyGamer0 Didn't you start playing with MSKLC after you saw my keyboard?

A username

but how do you express a 3d one?

PyGamer0

08:51

i have 2 slots left for random chars

@Adám yes

Adám

@Ausername Like this:

A username

4d then?

Adám

PyGamer0

78d then?

Bubbler

Increase the amount of newlines for every dimension added

A username

08:52

I guess...

Bubbler

78D would add a lot of newlines but it still works unambiguously

golden_bat

Nono I think that just a string would suffice.
[4,4,4] => 1111111111111111111110011001111111111001100111111111111111111111

A username

Aha big brain

golden_bat

You can't misinterpret it? Or can you?

pxeger

oh so like already flattened

golden_bat

08:54

If there's a bijection you can do it

A username

Since the dimensions are specified already

pxeger

yeah I'd say that would be fine

Adám

@PyGamer0 Try it online!

A username

@golden_bat @pxeger Thanks!

golden_bat

@pxeger yes flattened! ahah I miss the term

@Ausername :D

Adám

08:55

Actually, ravelled might be a more precise term.

@golden_bat Try it online!

golden_bat

@Ausername Now you can also do the reverse challenge! ;D

A username

I'll leave that a couple of days, but sure!

@pxeger Why did you add 'consistent values other than 0 and 1'?

What's wrong with those?

pxeger

@Ausername because 0 and 1 are the ones already used in the post

oh I see

Adám

@Ausername Almost a duplicate.

A username

True

@pxeger Is it ok if I remove that?

pxeger

08:59

@Adám of what?

@Ausername I didn't mean "you can't use 0 or 1", I meant "they don't necessarily have to be 0 and 1 even thought they're the ones I used in the post"

golden_bat

@Adám what with that try it online?

PyGamer0

i got my keyboard running f ← {⍵+⍺}

Adám

@golden_bat Just saying that some languages support that notation.

A username

@PyGamer0 For one of your keyboard chars , ಠ.

Adám

21

Q: Wrap a seasonal present

Task Given a wrapper element and a non-jagged 3D array, wrap the array top, bottom, and all-around. You must handle both character and numeric data, but the wrapper and the present will have the same data type. Character example For character data, you may chose to handle either 3D arrays of sin...

It is close to a generalisation of mine.

A username

09:02

This is a lot simpler tho

Btw how is your solution for that 12 bytes? I count 15.

@EnderShadow8 Long time no see!

Bubbler

@Ausername The last one is 12

A username

Oh

I didn't see that

Adám

@Ausername I've got a 10-byter APL solution to yours.

PyGamer0

argh śśit should be ⍉

A username

@Adám Ok

PyGamer0

09:06

when i press altgr + s it becomes ś not ⍉

Adám

Well, what did you define it as?

PyGamer0

@Adám it works in Test Keyboard Layout...

Adám

Strange.

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Q: Build me a room

Related A room, in the context of this challenge, is a multidimensional array where the elements on the "outside" are 1, to represent the walls, and all the other elements are 0 (empty space inside the room) Here's a 1D room with size 5: [1,0,0,0,1] And here's a 2D room with size 6x4: [[1,1,1,1]...

code-golf array-manipulation

A username

Go answer, go play!

Hm, Lynn used to be called Mauris.

10k+

PyGamer0

09:14

@Adám your layout works though

⌈⌈⌈⌈

also do you have some image of the keys in your layout?

I think i have made the dumbest online editor

it took my 3 minutes to that

A username

Oh I see

not even a textarea

import sus

EnderShadow8

@Ausername why the ping

pxeger

> Customer shall not [...] use the Software in a manner that violates this Agreement

I just read this in a licence agreement:

does this infinite recursion make the whole licence null and void? lol

A username

@EnderShadow8 Saying hi?

PyGamer0

@pxeger yes it should

EnderShadow8

09:22

ok then

I barely use TNB anymore

A username

Your rep is perfect

Adám

@PyGamer0 There's code in the repo to generate it.

A username

Two more upvotes please....

pxeger

?

A username

10991 + 20 = ...

Adám

09:27

@PyGamer0 Which layout do you use? US? UK?

lyxal

@Adám did you get the list of lb mappings for Vyxal? Link just in case you missed it the other day

PyGamer0

@Adám US works fine for me

Adám

@lyxal I did, but I've been busy with the competition and my upcoming webinar.

@PyGamer0 This:

┌────┬────┬────┬────┬────┬────┬────┬────┬────┬────┬────┬────┬────┬─────────┐
│~ ⌺ │! ⌶ │@ ⍫ │# ⍒ │$ ⍋ │% ⌽ │^ ⍉ │& ⊖ │* ⍟ │( ⍱ │) ⍲ │_ ! │+ ⌹ │Backspace│
│` ⋄ │1 ¨ │2 ¯ │3 < │4 ≤ │5 = │6 ≥ │7 > │8 ≠ │9 ∨ │0 ∧ │- × │= ÷ │         │
├────┴──┬─┴──┬─┴──┬─┴──┬─┴──┬─┴──┬─┴──┬─┴──┬─┴──┬─┴──┬─┴──┬─┴──┬─┴──┬──────┤
│Tab    │Q ⍰ │W ^@│E ⍷ │R ¨@│T ⍨ │Y ~@│U _@│I ⍸ │O ⍥ │P ⍣ │{ ⍞ │} ⍬ │| ⊣   │
│       │q ? │w ⍵ │e ∊ │r ⍴ │t ~ │y ↑ │u ↓ │i ⍳ │o ○ │p * │[ ← │] → │\ ⊢   │
├───────┴┬───┴┬───┴┬───┴┬───┴┬───┴┬───┴┬───┴┬───┴┬───┴┬───┴┬───┴┬───┴──────┤

lyxal

@Adám oh, sorry about the ping then. I just wanted to confirm that you did see it.

A username

Oh wait...

My rep won't be perfect for another 11 upvotes

I use accepts to get my rep right

So at one point I managed to get 6969

And now I'm aiming for 11111

pxeger

09:34

Why have 7 people bookmarked this? What do people even use bookmarks for? codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/229375/decode-usb-packets

A username

No clue

PyGamer0

10:02

@pxeger uuhhh they want to know how to decode usb packets?

also oedit now has a copy feature

you can copy text

open to suggestions for oedit

Adám

@PyGamer0 permalink

@PyGamer0 DejaVu Sans Mono

PyGamer0

@Adám so for the monospace font?

Adám

Yes.

@PyGamer0 Get rid of the "stdout.deselect is not a function" error.

PyGamer0

@Adám done

@Adám ^

oh yes, report issues

Adám

@PyGamer0 Do you know about dzaima.github.io/paste?

PyGamer0

10:15

@Adám no

A username

CMP: Are there any users which have positive scores in all tags? If not, which user has the most tags?

m90

No: two of the most infrequent tags have no users in common -- codegolf.stackexchange.com/tags/klein/topusers, codegolf.stackexchange.com/tags/prelude/topusers

A username

11:00

Hm. #2?

"I implemented a stack"

Way to go...

" I didn't want to use built in functions for an array because in JavaScript that would be too easy"

I almost feel sorry for the people on CR.

Razetime

why feel bad?

it's got people who wanna learn and people who wanna teach

good community

pxeger

11:30

CMC: score an Oh Hell! round. Given a list of pairs (g, r), for each pair, output 10 + r if g == r and otherwise -abs(g - r)

lyxal

11:41

@pxeger Vyxal, 10 bytes: ƛ≈[t₀+|÷εN

PyGamer0

@pxeger uuhh how do i solve that, ok my brain is hurt in

Shaggy

@pxeger Japt -m, 10 bytes, ra n ªUÎ+A

Adám

@pxeger APL, 9: ≠⊃+,∘-∘|- Try it online!

m90

@pxeger Python 3, 39 bytes: lambda l:[-abs(a-b)or b+10for a,b in l] -- Try it online!

pxeger

@m90 nice, I was about to post the exact same lol

Shaggy

12:04

@pxeger or 8 bytes if we can assume (g,r) is sorted in ascending order.

pxeger

12:53

@Shaggy I don't know Japt, but is there a 1-byte way to sort (g, r) to get 9 bytes?

caird coinheringaahing

@pxeger I use bookmarks on meta to have a quick link to the post (profile -> favourites), don't know why anyone would have favourites on main, especially when following a post exists

@pxeger Can we take input as two lists, one of r and one of g?

pxeger

@cairdcoinheringaahing yeah that's ok

caird coinheringaahing

@pxeger Jelly, 9 bytes: +⁵$ạN¥=?"

@Adám How does that do 10 + r?

Adám

@cairdcoinheringaahing Oops, I misread.

pxeger

@cairdcoinheringaahing what's the footer doing? It doesn't seem to work without it

caird coinheringaahing

13:09

@pxeger I'm on mobile, so I couldn't be bothered to retype out the lists as two inputs. Essentially, U reverses each, Z transposes so we have a lists of lists [r, g]. We then reduce this list by the actual code

If you change it so that it has 2 arguments, the first being the r list and the second being the g list, you can remove the footer

pxeger

like this?

ah yes I see

PyGamer0

is there a lisp implementation in python?

pxeger

@PyGamer0 lmgtfy.com/?q=python+lisp+interpreter

lyxal

@pxeger I think you mean lmddgtfy.net/?q=python%20lisp%20interpreter

PyGamer0

uuuh idgt

Adám

13:16

@pxeger Correction, 12: =⊃-ö|ö-,10+⊢ Try it online! (CC: @cairdcoinheringaahing)

pxeger

@xnor was rudely omitted from today's xkcd:

In C, the multiocular O represents the bitwise norxondor gorgonax.

Adám

@pxeger What I don't get is why he calls XAND a "GORT". It is a normal gate.

pxeger

@Adám apparently it's an unusual alternative for what is normally called xnor

Adám

Indeed.

PyGamer0

@pxeger Noooo.....

ANDORX GANT lol

Adám

13:22

Wonder what NORX does. I guess it outputs the signal and its negation.

PyGamer0

NORXONDOR GORGONAX looks like a clock

Adám

It confuses the gate symbol's outline with wiring.

pxeger

looks a bit like a half bridge rectifier

Adám

The symbol for XAND (GORT) actually makes a bit of sense. I'd be the negation of XOR, which is XNOR, which is in fact what XAND is.

pxeger

@Adám except it's a triangle instead of a NOR-shaped thing

Adám

13:26

NORG negates its inputs then treats them as if fed to XOR but then gives the output of AND, and negates that.

Shaggy

@pxeger Yup, that was the version in the message just before that.

... which didn't post, for some reason.

pxeger

oh haha

Shaggy

So: Japt -m, 9 bytes: ÍrÍÍªUÎ+A.

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13:59

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Q: Use python turtle to draw out individual pixels in an image, eventually leading to a full image

You can get the RGB value of pixels by using the Python Imaging Library (PIL), use this tool to pull all of the values of the pixels and put them on the Turtle canvas in the right place, you could do this in an ordered way, or pick random pixels to do to make the image fade into existence. I did ...

graphical-output python

PyGamer0

^ requires winning criterion

right?

caird coinheringaahing

Yes, and a lot of details

I'd do the welcome comment, but I'm on mobile :(

pxeger

@cairdcoinheringaahing let's let hn do it this time lol

Shameless self-promotion: go and vote for Zsh as language of the month!

caird coinheringaahing

14:14

@pxeger I think I need to create a sock puppet who just posts those comments whenever a user with 1 or 101 rep posts a question :P

caird coinheringaahing

14:25

FYI, it is now possible to retract reopen votes

4

hyper-neutrino

ooh, nice

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Not that it affects you :P

hyper-neutrino

hey CGCC isn't the only site I have close vote privileges on :p

not that I tend to cast many reoepn votes on SO

specifically, i have cast 23 close votes and 1 reopen vote

Redwolf Programs

We should close SO as a duplicate of itself

caird coinheringaahing

And now you have the option to retract that one vote :P

hyper-neutrino

14:27

well the post has since been reopened so alas i cannot undo the sole reopen vote i've cast

unfortunately i don't quite have enough rep on MSE yet :p

caird coinheringaahing

I'm 91 flags away from it on MSE :P

Redwolf Programs

I wonder what the computational class of creating class schedules given course requests from each student and a list of courses each teacher can teach is

caird coinheringaahing

(In actuality, I prefer to not have massive amounts of MSE rep, and am using 3k as a ceiling to award bounties to FRs when I get close to it)

hyper-neutrino

i don't really care much about my MSE rep and every time i've wanted to bounty something the question already had a bounty on it by the time i saw it

and then i usually just forget by the time the boutny is actually awarded

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms At least O(n) :P

Redwolf Programs

14:32

> Moreover, the alphabet of wenyan contains only traditional Chinese characters and 「」 quotes, so it is guaranteed to be readable by ancient Chinese people.

My number one concern when golfing :p

hyper-neutrino

bruh

Redwolf Programs

(source)

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms That hello world example doesn't even print Hello, World! smh :P

hyper-neutrino

the sieve example is technically correct but nobody says 一十一 or 一十三, etc

Redwolf Programs

Would it just be 十一?

hyper-neutrino

14:38

yeah

Redwolf Programs

I came up with a cool idea for a rock-paper-scissors like game for a KotH, but it'd need to be a smaller part of a KotH focused on something else to be interesting

You have three options: attack, shield, and farm. Attacking will damage the other player, unless they shield that turn. Farming gives you one gold, which you need in order to attack.

So you ideally want to attack when the other player farms, farm when they shield, and shield when they attack

hyper-neutrino

sounds a lot like snowball KoTH

Redwolf Programs

Huh, it's identical

hyper-neutrino

the slight difference is that snowballs insta-kill and throw+throw is a tie because they cancel out

caird coinheringaahing

Idea for a koth: it's just a Minecraft pvp server :P

Do CMs automatically have accounts on every single site, or can they choose which ones?

From some quick "sleuthing", it looks like all the CMs have accounts on every site tho

hyper-neutrino

14:58

Slate has 177 communities and Catija has 176

caird coinheringaahing

How did you count them?

hyper-neutrino

it lists it on their profile

caird coinheringaahing

...

hyper-neutrino

like if you go to a site profile, the left side list of communities includes a count

caird coinheringaahing

I was looking at the network profiles ಠ_ಠ

hyper-neutrino

15:00

i also doubt catija hid any profiles and if so, doubt she'd hide exactly one

caird coinheringaahing

Are there any sites in private beta atm that Slate might be a member of (and that private beta doesn't start an account for CMs idk)?

user

in Vyxal, 29 secs ago, by Aaron Miller

Transpile it to Jelly

caird coinheringaahing

God that'd be painful :P

user

@RedwolfPrograms Probably NP

hyper-neutrino

@RedwolfPrograms O(1), if you just do it really badly

caird coinheringaahing

15:08

Which as we all know* is P
*: Knowledge may not be entirely proven :P

user

lmao

@cairdcoinheringaahing May I ask why?

pxeger

@RedwolfPrograms ...and which courses have which sessions, and which sessions can be taught in which rooms, and which teachers can teach on which days, and which teachers can teach which sessions, and which teachers can teach in which rooms, and which students can use which rooms...

caird coinheringaahing

@user I mainly use MSE as a method of communication with SE, and I've found that bounties are a good way of doing that. I don't really care what happens with the rep, as anything I want to do/get done on MSE (edits, closing, whatever) I can either do myself and have it approved, or flag for it to be done, and staying below 3k means that I can flag spam/VLQ to be closed and get it marked as helpful when it gets closed/deleted

So long as I have 15 rep on MSE, I'm happy

hyper-neutrino

i think you can still flag for closure even with 3k rep :p though if you keep flagging instead of just voting someone might question why

not sure though, haven't actually tried

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah you can, but it's quicker and easier to just VTC

pxeger

15:23

what annoys me most of all is not being able to flag without being logged in, specifically when already logged in on the network but when using a site where you don't have an account

caird coinheringaahing

That and editing is why I have accounts on like 30 sites where I've joined just to edit or flag

pxeger

I quite often see what I know are terrible answers to HNQs even without knowing the site, but can't flag them because I don't have an account (and I can't be bothered to connect mine)

@cairdcoinheringaahing but that's almost the weirdest thing - you can edit while not logged in! (it has to be peer-reviewed of course, just like if you don't have enough rep)

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing I was asking about the 3k, not the bounties. Why not get the ability to cast close votes? Aren't flags less effective?

caird coinheringaahing

@pxeger Flags are only handled by mods tho, edits are community handled. If someone decided to create a bunch of bots that raised flags, it'd overwhelm the mods pretty quickly. Edits have to be 6 characters or more, and have a summary, by anon users (so harder to bot farm) and even then, each user with 2k or more rep can reject 20 spam edits in a day

hyper-neutrino

also if you raise 6 spam flags it automatically validates and cleaning that up would probably be rather annoying

whereas you can't create random bots to abuse suggested editing

pxeger

15:28

so I'm suggesting to have a semi-logged in mode, for if you're logged in somewhere on the network but you don't have an account on the specific site

and then you can flag

caird coinheringaahing

@user I kind of started out flagging just to get Marshal, then I realised that I prefer a slightly less binding way of saying "This should be closed" when I'm on MSE, because I'm less confident in my knowledge of the site and it's culture. Plus, flagging as a dupe still posts this "Does this answer your question?" comment, without actually making it 1/5 of the way to being closed

hyper-neutrino

i want 3k rep so i can close vote myself because most of the questions i flag for closure are really obvious :p

caird coinheringaahing

Here, I'm much more cavalier with VTCing because I'm much more familiar with what is and isn't ok here. MSE is a bit of a weird place in my experience

CMP: How many VTCs have you cast here (and, if you have it, your next highest site with 3k rep)?

642 here, and 5 on M&TV :P

hyper-neutrino

254 here, and 23 on SO

Redwolf Programs

This is my only 3k+ site lol

hyper-neutrino

15:33

don't think i can find how many close votes i cast on my deleted account but i doubt it was a significant number

Redwolf Programs

165 VTCs here

caird coinheringaahing

@cairdcoinheringaahing That flag (raised on Jul 28th) is still pending, wow

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing we've had flags for a several months but there are probably sites that have had flags stick around for longer

and also i don't know where to find this information anyway

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing Ah, makes sense

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Hack the SE flag database :P

2

user

15:38

@cairdcoinheringaahing 64 here, 100 on SO

hyper-neutrino

lol

even here, i am not sure how to look at that data; i can check the flag history but doing that for every post is slightly impractical

caird coinheringaahing

Is there a complete log of all flags raised anywhere in the mod tools?

hyper-neutrino

not that I know of

Shaggy

16:24

@cairdcoinheringaahing 294 here, only. 73 on SO

Redwolf Programs

18:11

Anyone want to guess what percentage of answers on CGCC follow the format Language, x (bytes|chars|characters)??

caird coinheringaahing

80%?

Redwolf Programs

That's very close, 76.69%

hyper-neutrino

80%

caird coinheringaahing

Nice

hyper-neutrino

darn, ninja'd

i just took the percentage of questions tagged code-golf and reduced it a bit

caird coinheringaahing

18:12

@hyper-neutrino Imagine getting the answer wrong after it got revealed :P

Redwolf Programs

@hyper-neutrino Oh, well only counting answers that were to code golf questions

I filtered out tips and polyglots and non-code-golf

caird coinheringaahing

I'm guessing it's closer to 65% of all answers

hyper-neutrino

oh

well that's somewhat awkward then, guess 80% being close was just a coincidence

Redwolf Programs

Oh, y'all were more accurate than I thought, I forgot to count chars so it's actually closer to 77.5%

rak1507

honestly a surprisingly low number

caird coinheringaahing

18:16

@RedwolfPrograms Is that only searching <h1> headers?

Redwolf Programs

No, anything in the first line

Wait, I'm not filtering out stuff in <s> tags correctly, lemme fix that

Oh, it's because <strike> exists

Apparently there's del too >:|

Redwolf Programs

18:53

> This question has been edited 3 times since closure.

That's new, right?

caird coinheringaahing

Goddamn ninja :/

I'm guessing it's the first wave of this

Aaron Miller

19:26

@cairdcoinheringaahing Are Hatred and Mixology supposed to be in your language list?

user

@rak1507 Blame old answers

caird coinheringaahing

19:41

@AaronMiller No, they're still in dev

I should probably do some dev on them tbh

Aaron Miller

So you're saying I shouldn't self-inflict Hatred yet? :p

caird coinheringaahing

It's not even released yet, so good luck hating yourself :P

Aaron Miller

How does one push 100 in Deorst? From looking at the wiki, it looks like it's supposed to be 'E ', but that just errors.

caird coinheringaahing

what

Aaron Miller

lol

caird coinheringaahing

19:50

@AaronMiller Yeah, that's definitely borken :?

Aaron Miller

Bro what kind of keyboard do you have where Shift + ` is ¬?

tio.run/##S0nNLyou@f/fNfv/fwA

caird coinheringaahing

ENGUK

Aaron Miller

ah i forgot you're in the UK

caird coinheringaahing

British and American keyboards

There are two major English language computer keyboard layouts, the United States layout and the United Kingdom layout defined in BS 4822 (48-key version). Both are QWERTY layouts. Users in the United States do not frequently need to make use of the £ (pound) and € (euro) currency symbols, which are common needs in the United Kingdom and Ireland, although the $ (dollar sign) symbol is also provided as standard on UK and Irish keyboards. In other countries which predominantly use English as a common working language, such as Australia, Canada (English speaking parts), Pakistan, India, and New Zealand...

@AaronMiller Try it online!

Try it online!

No idea why that works

Aaron Miller

y not?

caird coinheringaahing

19:57

    'l':lambda i,s: s.push(-i),

That's what l does

Aaron Miller

but hexadecimal

caird coinheringaahing

I have no idea why that turns 64 into 100 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Huh

Aaron Miller

because hexadecimal

0x64 = 100

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