The Nineteenth Byte

caird coinheringaahing

18:00

Hmmm, I wonder what that non-compete clause is about... — ArtOfCode May 18 at 13:14

Because it was literally written to do so, before you guys got a whole bunch of backlash for it

JNat

that is incorrect, actually

maybe our initial verbiage wasn't clear, and made it look like that was the goal

that was never the goal

the verbiage was not updated to "tackle backlash," but instead to clarify that that was never the intended case

caird coinheringaahing

@JNat Sorry, that was a bit of an assumption - it definitely appeared that way

JNat

hence the clarification ;)

caird coinheringaahing

@JNat This isn't really a question about the ad requirements, but more why decide on a window for submission? It has been shown repeatedly across the network that having a dynamic ad roll works, and is a useful thing - this seems to only have downsides

Catija

@cairdcoinheringaahing Our minds naturally draw connections where they seem logical to exist. It does a lot of good things for us as people but it can also lead to forging negative assumptions about why people act in certain ways. I think we all kinda have to struggle to identify what is an assumption and what is known. :)

caird coinheringaahing

18:05

@Catija Indeed, sorry if that was curt @JNat :)

JNat

@cairdcoinheringaahing As I mentioned on MSE, there's legacy unmaintained code that we needed to do away with. That being said, this is a trial, and (again, as I've mentioned on MSE) after it's over we're gonna be seeing if adjusting the cycle rotation is necessary. A quicker, quarterly rotation is not off the table, for instance :)

4D4850

Apologies if this is annoying, but can more people check on the Sandboxed KotH I have. As previously said, the URL is codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2140/…

caird coinheringaahing

@JNat Is the current plan to have them yearly, with the cycle beginning in January (like the last system)?

JNat

@cairdcoinheringaahing that was the proposed approach, yes. Feedback on MSE suggested that at least a 6-month rotation might be more appropriate. Nothing here is definitive, as I've pointed out several times on MSE :)

It should be noted that engagement with these posts has been somewhat dwindling over the years, so investing more resources in automating them at this point seemed premature, hence the trial

Catija

But automations would be necessary if it was going to be more frequent because doing it manually is a lot of effort. :)

JNat

18:12

^^^this, yes

Adám

@JNat So what is the goal of those restrictions?

@JNat Doesn't the new system require much more manual work? I assume that checking for restriction compliance is a manual job.

JNat

@Adám we're providing the community with a paid service for free — that's the ability to use our ad space. I think it's reasonable that we reserve the right to not allow for that space to be used to promote direct competitors, don't you?

Adám

@JNat Absolutely. But since Codidact is a direct competitor, then you would want to disallow all ads to Codidact, no?

JNat

@Adám not "much" more work, but a bit more for sure (at least for me individually). May not be the case in future iterations, if there's enough engagement to warrant dev work on automating some bits of it.

Adám

:-)

user

18:21

@Razetime Aww, missed a chance to use my sock

JNat

@Adám Your misconception is the reason why I clarified the verbiage on MSE. As I mentioned, there is no problem with the Judaism site on Codidact to be advertised on the Judaism site on SE — we don't sell ads on our Judaism site, for instance.

I can see why "projects that are competitive to Stack Overflow, broadly construed" would make it sound like Codidact is "a direct competitor" (to use your words)

the "broadly construed" bit, in particular, generates confusion

that's why the new verbiage focuses more on the "technologists" bit

Adám

@JNat So there's also no problem with the Code Golf site on Codidact to be advertised on the Code Golf site on SE, as you don't sell ads on your Code Golf site either, right?

JNat

we do sell ads on Code Golf, though

and the target audience is much closer to SO's

Adám

Oh, I didn't realise that. I've never seen those.

JNat

"technologists"

open a question on an incognito window

Catija

18:26

I think "technologists" is slightly confusing because a technologist can be interested in a great number of things that have no tech involved... I mean, the entire SE platform was built around the idea that devs wanted to talk about more than only programming... like cooking. So, it's more reasonable to focus on tech-centric subjects than on the people who participate in them.

JNat

you should see a banner ad or two

Catija

rak1507

I honestly don't think I've seen an add on cgse ever

user

Probably because you have rep now (or an adblocker?)

Adám

@Catija I've now opened a bunch of Qs in an incognito window, and I only ever see community ads, and ads for Stack Overflow for Teams.

rak1507

18:29

even on an incognito window none are showing up

same

no adblocker either

JNat

@Adám do you have some ad blockers, or somesuch?

Adám

No, but even if I had, incognito would disable all add-ons.

caird coinheringaahing

@JNat Why do you sell ads here and not on Judaism?

rak1507

oh nvm one just showed up guess I was just unlucky

Adám

Maybe it is browser based. I use Firefox.

@Catija @JNat Have you checked if you ever get any clicks on your paid ads here?

rak1507

18:30

ah it might be firefox's tracking blocker thingy

JNat

Catija

Users with over 200 rep have a privilege to hide ads... but it's not on the privileges page for some reason.

Adám

Maybe it is location-based? I'm in the UK.

user

I see ads in Incognito in Chrome, although not in a private window in Firefox

rak1507

@Adám turned off the tracking protection?

JNat

18:31

@Adám I haven't, but I'm sure the Ads team is doing their job, yes ;)

Adám

Ah, I get ads in Chredgium.

rak1507

Chredgium lol

user

> Chredgium

rak1507

I find it hard to believe people click on coding ads on a code golf site

JNat

I can't get 'em on FF either, I guess

user

18:32

@rak1507 idk about Adám, but turning off extensions in FF didn't show ads either

Peilonrayz

@JNat Sorry if you've already answered my question. "sites where ad buyers are primarily targeting technologists". If CGCC were to want to advertise a site which takes ads from Codidact (or another competing service) wouldn't be allowed? Or do you mean any technology like a cloud provider.

hyper-neutrino

I turned off Privacy Badger and my adblocker in a private FF window and I'm still not getting any, lol. get them fine in chrome tho

Catija

@cairdcoinheringaahing Because we focus on selling ads to tech companies. We don't have experts with contacts in subjects of interest to the community on Judaism. We have tried to ensure that ads are relevant to the sites that host them. We don't sell ads specifically for CGCC, we use the same ads we use on SO and the other tech sites.

Redwolf Programs

@cairdcoinheringaahing You'll have to make any final edits to (and post) the blog, I'm super busy for the next few days.

rak1507

hmm yes I want to become a full stack jelly developer

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caird coinheringaahing

18:33

@RedwolfPrograms Sure, will do :)

user

@rak1507 You might just get to do that if caird starts a company :P

rak1507

@cairdcoinheringaahing if you ever start a jelly company hmu (you can pay my salary in jelly if you want)

JNat

@cairdcoinheringaahing we used to only have ads on SO — our main target were devs, or technologists as we say now

Adám

@JNat @Catija Sorry for speaking on false assumptions. I didn't imagine that ads were browser-specific.

caird coinheringaahing

@Catija Can we request that you stop selling ads here (as in, is that a feasible request if it were made)? I doubt that any of your ad income comes from us

@rak1507 Will do :P

user

18:35

^^ Despite being a site involving coding, many of us aren't real programmers/technologists, who probably use SO anyway

JNat

@Peilonrayz does the convo around here answer your question?

Adám

SE needs an income. I don't mind letting companies pay SE to display ads in Chromium-based browsers.

Redwolf Programs

^

user

Of course you don't, you use Firefox :P

rak1507

seems like there's not much benefit for anyone running ads on cgse in particular though

user

18:37

(but ^^^^ I don't mind seeing ads in FF either)

Adám

@rak1507 So what? I suppose it still earns SE a little.

caird coinheringaahing

@Adám Yes, but I doubt there is any real income from us. My question is more "if we ask for you to disable them, is there any chance the answer will be anything other than no?"

hyper-neutrino

VTC our advertisements as off-topic; topics related to general programming subjects belong on SO :D

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rak1507

didn't they get bought for like a bajillion dollars I'm sure they're doing fine

Peilonrayz

@JNat No, "we do sell ads on Code Golf, though". I want to know what the second clause means, would CGCC be allowed to promote a site which takes tech ads?

Redwolf Programs

18:38

@rak1507 That's not really how it works...

user

@rak1507 SE still needs to keep earning for Prosus

rak1507

I couldn't really care less about big corporations making a profit

Redwolf Programs

Well you didn't just buy SO for a bajillion dollars :p

rak1507

true :P

user

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ They need profits to keep running

rak1507

18:39

@user when the pro is sus

user

ಠ_ಠ

caird coinheringaahing

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, Jun 2 at 16:17, by Redwolf Programs

Prosus is obviously quite pro-sus

Redwolf ninja'd you by 15 days :P

Catija

@cairdcoinheringaahing I don't really have an answer to that, to be honest. We're pretty separate from the Ads department in most ways. This Community Ads thing is an odd exception.

caird coinheringaahing

Time to add some more questions under the advertising tag :P

JNat

@Peilonrayz if that site's primary focus was the same as ours, generally speaking it'd be disallowed — that's the intention of the clause. That being said, what I said here might be helpful.

New Posts

18:41

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Q: Please don't lock the Community Ads after August 2nd

This may be more on topic for MSE, I might move it there if so. For now, I believe this is directly applicable to us The Community Ads for 2021 post was posted earlier today, in a trial run of the new advertising system. Currently, at writing, it is at +1/-6 and has 4 "Needs details or clarity" c...

Adám

@JNat Not so clear to me. Can you explicitly confirm that linking to sites that cater and advertise to "technologists" are OK as long as none are directly in competition to SE's sites that have ads on Chromium-based browsers?

caird coinheringaahing

@NewPosts ಠ_ಠ As soon as I post that, someone downvoted the Ads page making my count off

JNat

@NewPosts is your request here that you be left out of this trial, and instead we keep the 2020 post active 'til January?

caird coinheringaahing

@JNat No, my request is that on August 2nd, you don't lock and close the ads post

Peilonrayz

@JNat Ok, if "that site" is the linked site not the ad site; "sites where ad buyers are primarily targeting technologists" sounds redundant to me. Thanks.

JNat

18:45

@cairdcoinheringaahing I think you might be missing the fact that this new system requires me manually giving our Ads team a list of ads

there won't be an algo picking the ads, like before

Adám

E.g. TIO has ads for a commercial programming language, a commercial .NET library, and a hosting provider. SE doesn't do any of those things, so OK?

JNat

leaving the post open serves no benefit

caird coinheringaahing

@JNat Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you've mentioned that once since the first post announcing the change - there's no way I could've known that

JNat

@Adám judging by that description alone, that should be fine, I'd say — if something similar got proposed, and for some reason it wasn't allowed, I'd make sure to clarify why that'd be the case

caird coinheringaahing

But also, that doesn't sound like a good system. Why would you de-automate a system that already works fine?

Adám

18:47

Sounds to me like the main manual work is the annual solicitation for ads.

JNat

@cairdcoinheringaahing that's... the unmaintained legacy code we need to get rid of ;)

I thought that was clear by now :P

@Adám under the old system, yes

Redwolf Programs

Humans are quite a bit more legacy and unmaintained, IMO :p

caird coinheringaahing

@JNat So instead of rewriting and improving the legacy code, you're just... removing it in favour of people?

Adám

It doesn't sound very complicated to automate the yearly posting of the solicitation post, but what do I know ¯\_(⍨)_/¯

JNat

Have I mentioned this is a trial, and that further automation work might be a possibility in the future? ;)

rak1507

18:50

@Adám doesn't sound very hard to upload a few text files either, something something people in glass houses... :P

Adám

@JNat Yes, but the focus on automation should be to automate the existing (good) system, not to automate a new inferior system.

caird coinheringaahing

@JNat Yes, but in my experience with trials, they generally have 97% of the process finalised and the trial is about the 3% that can be modified. Automation would be a pretty large part of such a system

Adám

@rak1507 Hold on, it is not because of lacking automation that we didn't publish all submissions.

caird coinheringaahing

There's exactly one thing that this should have been: expanding the Community Ads to allow ads of questions. All the rest is fluff that detracts from that and makes the newer system worse than the existing one

rak1507

@Adám oh I thought it was bc someone would have to manually go through it and remove personal information and whatnot

Redwolf Programs

18:53

Replacing legacy code with humans just seems like replacing an old car with a tricycle

JNat

Folks, I hope me stepping in here was at least a bit helpful, but I need to step away now.

If y'all wanna close my post, and opt out of this altogether, that's always an option

Adám

@JNat For sure. Thank you for taking the time. Keep in mind that we all want the best for the community.

@JNat Would that mean keeping the old system (for now)?

JNat

just thought I'd give the community an opportunity to not only try out this new system, but also to show that they still find this initiative valuable

@Adám no, the old system will not be an option going forward

Adám

@rak1507 No, we could totally have done that. Nobody asked for that (until much later), and nobody has officially requested that we start doing that. There's a contact email address, y'know…

@JNat So what happens if your post is closed? No community ads?

JNat

@Adám I mean, I'm trying to clarify as much as I can, and honestly didn't foresee that any community would decide to close the post

I'm not saying it being closed is a disqualifier from running the initiative, because I didn't foresee I'd need to consider that

so... dunno

caird coinheringaahing

18:58

Yeah, I'm still not sure about why people are closing this? What is and isn't allowed is a bit uncertain, but I think that means it should require some discussion with JNat (aka this), not that it should be closed

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Adám

@JNat OK, I'll let you go. There's still plenty of time to continue the discussion. Thanks for stopping by!

JNat

The one thing I'll mention, though, is that if it gets closed I'm not gonna make this into a battle over whether it should be open or not — y'all get to decide whether this is useful for your community or not, flaws and all ;)

caird coinheringaahing

Also, and I hate to say this, but CM posts (and staff posts as a whole) are kinda different from everything else we get - they're generally cookie cutter posts that apply to multiple other sites, and that discussion is usually the appropriate thing to do over closing

JNat

before I go, thought I'd just mention that maybe it's a good idea if y'all wanna see what EL&U, RPG, and SF&F are proposing, so you can see how this can be used differently from the previous version of Community Promotion Ads ;)

not saying we can't discuss how this can be better next time, of course

Adám

Heh, I guess we can put targeted advertisement on CR: Stop worrying about the quality of your code – byte-count is all that matters!

Peilonrayz

19:04

@Adám lol. I'd find the ad funny, the rest of the site... ;)

4D4850

So, if I understand correctly, JNat is a Community Moderator who is doing stuff regarding ads, and other people are angry because of new clauses. How right am I?

And new systems for ads.

user

I wouldn't say angry, but certainly not happy

caird coinheringaahing

@4D4850 JNat is a Community Manager, who works for Stack Exchange as a "liason" between the company and the communities. SE has designed a new system for Community Ads (community-ads for me) and they've just rolled that out as a trial. We're part of that trial and we've been expressing some concerns about the new system

4D4850

Ok. So, not very far off, but still not correct.

caird coinheringaahing

JNat just happens to be the CM who posted the thread - no one is angry with them in particular (or, hopefully, anyone else), we'd be expressing these opinions regardless of who posted it

4D4850

19:16

Ok. So, it's just SO doing advertisement stuff, and JNat was the bearer of bad news.

caird coinheringaahing

More or less, yes

Interestingly, it appears we're the only site where this has been downvoted

4D4850

one might say, SO was doing Badvertisement stuff (Cue badly done ba-dum-tss)

caird coinheringaahing

CMP: For the blog, any suggestions for overlooked impressive challenges/answers or esoteric languages that could do with a little bit of exposure?

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I'll be posting the blog post in a few hours, feel free to reply to that until then with any nominations. I'll pick a couple to include

user

I think Razetime had a list

Aaron Miller

@cairdcoinheringaahing There's this little language called Vyxal that's virtually unheard of :p

user

19:24

There's also an esoteric golflang called APL

As for challenges and answers, every post by this user is amazing

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caird coinheringaahing

@user Strongly disagree, most of their posts are boring FGITWs :P

Redwolf Programs

@user I totally agree, that user is the best on the site for sure

Aaron Miller

19:37

@RedwolfPrograms That reminds me, I did a few Plumber answers

caird coinheringaahing

@rak1507 But Jelly doesn't have a stack...

Redwolf Programs

@AaronMiller Those are all pretty cool! I've been planning to make a better Plumber interpreter soon, then undelete the LotM nomination for it

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing Everything's a stack if you're brave enough :)

@cairdcoinheringaahing Btw here's an esolang named StackExchange. It's not very good, though, I made it mainly as a joke

Hello, World!

0

A: "Hello, World!"

P'', 62 Bytes This answer doesn't meet the technical restrictions, because P'' has no I/O, but I think it hasn't been done yet. +[-->-[>>+>-----<<]<--<---]>->>>+>>+++[>]<<<<+++------<<->>>>+ It is just the shortest known BF answer, but without the I/O, which makes sense, given BF is a derivative...

Adám

@user Good job. You fooled me.

Underslash

19:44

I want to create a fastest-code challenge, but I really don't want to have to run everything on my machine :(

Redwolf Programs

Steal someone else's and run it on that

Adám

@Underslash Yes, it is really a problem. There's no TimeItOnline.

4D4850

Yeah, I didn't realize there was a Hello, World feed. Still though, I think pdbl is a unique language, given it's derived straight from the turing machine.

N3buchadnezzar

Why not write a TIO in a common language, and time it by comparison. New_code / old_code. If everything runs over TIO, it should be fine right?

user

TIO doesn't run on one single machine with the same specs

caird coinheringaahing

19:46

In short - TIO isn't great for timing

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Q: Is TIO acceptable for fastest-code questions?

I like to ask fastest-code questions. However, I don't want to run everyone's code on my PC, partly because I only have access to a slow Windows laptop at the moment and I can't imagine I could even run most code in most languages. Is it acceptable to ask people to include a TIO link in their...

discussion

N3buchadnezzar

Ah, I thought the backend was a server park or something.

4D4850

@cairdcoinheringaahing This answer is pretty cool. May or may not be good for the blog. codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/106079/detect-ms-windows/…

Redwolf Programs

Not sure about that one. It's old, upvoted, and by a deleted user.

4D4850

Fair enough. I just thought it might be kinda cool.

StackMeter

may I suggest an answer?

caird coinheringaahing

19:56

Please do

Aaron Miller

20:06

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'd like to suggest this answer

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caird coinheringaahing

@AaronMiller That's insane, and deserves well more than 4 upvotes :P

4D4850

Pretty neat that Vim is turing complete.

Anyway, once again, sorry, but can someone please take a look at my sandboxed question and provide recommendations or say that it's all good. URL still is codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2140/…

Aaron Miller

@cairdcoinheringaahing Thanks, it was a lot of fun to make! I'd still like to golf it at some point, though.

caird coinheringaahing

@4D4850 I'd suggest including the equation in the question and explain what floating points mean

4D4850

20:22

@cairdcoinheringaahing Done

caird coinheringaahing

@4D4850 Ah, sorry. I meant explaining what a floating point output means. For example, if I return 0.5, what does that represent?

That's the main issue I see with posting it atm, its not clear what the outputs mean, and the equation needs some explanation (what are \$R,S,T,P,a,b\$ etc.)

4D4850

Attempted to fix.

More fixing attempted

@cairdcoinheringaahing @RedwolfPrograms Do either of you have any other problems? I pinged redwolf since I know he/she/they have experience making KotHs.

Redwolf Programs

When you say global variables are allowed, does that mean the bots can set arbitrary global vars to store things?

Wezl

🪦Here lies Wezl, mauled to death by a mob of angry pumpkin chocolate chip cookies

4D4850

@RedwolfPrograms Yes. I clarified that in the sandbox post.

Redwolf Programs

20:35

That seems like a bad idea, due to possible collisions. I think typically a mutable value like a dict is passed to the bot so it can store things in that.

4D4850

Ok. I'll try to figure out how to do that.

Wezl

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'm guessing recent is good?

caird coinheringaahing

@Wezl Yes, but not required

@4D4850 I've updated the equations to be slightly clearer

Redwolf Programs

I think reformatting it a bit would increase the clarity.

4D4850

@RedwolfPrograms I added a dict.

Redwolf Programs

20:46

A more common structure would be background, then the equations and how the game works, then the more technical stuff and specific rules

4D4850

@RedwolfPrograms Now formatted slightly better

Redwolf Programs

I'd move the "Forbidden Stuff" and "Generic Stuff" below the equations

4D4850

@RedwolfPrograms Done that now.

Hello, World!

0

A: "Hello, World!"

æae, 483 nibbles (241.5 bytes) ââââäââââââââæėâââââäęęęęęęęęęęęęęęęęęęęęęęęęæėâââââäęęęęęęęęęęęęęęęęęæėâââââäęęęęęęęęęęęęęęęęęæėâââââäęęęęęęęęęęęęęęæėâââäâââââââââââââââââæėââââââââââåæėââââäâââââââââââââââââââââââæėâââââäęęęęęęęęęęęęęęæėâââââäęęęęęęęęęęęæėâââââäęęęęęęęęęęęęęęęęęæėâââââäęęęęęęęęę...

hyper-neutrino

@smarnav Are you able to store a file with a fractional count of bytes and supply it to your interpreter?

totallyhuman

20:56

we have a feed/bot for new hello world solutions now?

hyper-neutrino

If not you unfortunately can't have a fractional bytecount - the definition is basically how much information you need to store and feed into the interpreter (which is also why your language needs to have an interpreter before being used) - whatever encoding you choose is cool by our standards but what matters is the raw bytes you feed into the program.

Redwolf Programs

@totallyhuman Pretty recently added, yeah

Probably less than a week ago

hyper-neutrino

@totallyhuman see this and its dupe target for the discussion

totallyhuman

i for one welcome our new overlords

hyper-neutrino

was completed a bit over a week ago

user

20:57

@totallyhuman username checks out? :P

totallyhuman

absolutely

never a doubt

Redwolf Programs

𒀰 is a single Unicode character...is it wider than the one with the checkerboard pattern?

𒈙 is longer

smarnav

@hyper-neutrino my work-in-progress interpreter uses unicode, but the language had a 4-bit codepage, that is not implemented, and outputs in ascii. I definitely NEED to rework the io system :P

Underslash

you mean this one?
𒐫

smarnav

and no input so...

Redwolf Programs

21:00

Aw, it's not as long

rak1507

@smarnav if you can't actually store fractional bytes you need to round up

Underslash

well there is
﷽

thats a single character

im just going off this reddit.com/r/Unicode/comments/5qa7e7/… post

Redwolf Programs

@Underslash That's about the length of well in my system's font

smarnav

@Underslash I think in most fonts that character renders way smaller, but it still is technically the biggest

hyper-neutrino

in my system font that's the width of the entire "well there is" :P

user

21:02

@smarnav I'm working on a language that uses something like Huffman encoding, and I'm using the first three bits to say how many bits at the end are padding. Would something like that work?

*work for you

4D4850

I'm going to need to update my README in github. SO devs should really have a button that allows pull requests between GitHub and SE questions and answers.

Redwolf Programs

user

@4D4850 You can use GitHub actions to do something like that yourself, but it'd probably be a hassle

4D4850

Ok.

user

I doubt the devs are going to do anything like that, it's not something that's needed often

Underslash

21:03

user

I see what Underslash sees (without the green)

Redwolf Programs

Windows?

hyper-neutrino

@smarnav since you have a command that does not do anything you can just stick one at the end of your program to make it look pretty and bring the bytecount to an integer :P

user

Yep (and FF too)

Underslash

firefox

but yes, windows

caird coinheringaahing

21:04

I see what Underslash sees (with the green) :P

user

o.O

4D4850

I see green

Redwolf Programs

I'm on Chrome and Chrome OS (Linux-based), don't think the browser matters though

4D4850

Debian and Firefox

user

TIL caird can see through other people's eyes

hyper-neutrino

21:05

sandbox ಠ_ಠ

user

Use the Sandbox instead

caird coinheringaahing

@user I am other people

hyper-neutrino

need spam flags on [both answers gone, thanks y'all] please

4D4850

Use the sandbox

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing ...

Underslash

21:05

interesting that it actually clips the top and bottom of it

Redwolf Programs

I want to MAKE YOU BITCOIN DOUBLE tho :(

smarnav

@hyper-neutrino also, I forgot, € is required to be the first character of the program

hyper-neutrino

lol

Underslash

CMQ: double the amount of bitcoin in my wallet

4D4850

Just use coinsquirt. I bet five people get that reference

user

21:06

@hyper-neutrino How'd you find them?

caird coinheringaahing

Charcoal

hyper-neutrino

@user charcoal

rak1507

how is the first one spam?

user

Oh

@rak1507 The answer

hyper-neutrino

@rak1507 the answer is gone now so it silently links you to the question

caird coinheringaahing

21:07

@rak1507 Its been nuked :P

rak1507

oh, ok

user

It is VLQ tho

hyper-neutrino

see this meta discussion

user

@Underslash Done.

I'm assuming you have 0 bitcoin in your wallet :P

Underslash

correct :)

smarnav

21:09

@hyper-neutrino I have updated it.

user

Do I get a 50% commission for doubling your money? :P

Underslash

now if you want to double the amount of eth I have in an actual wallet . . . that'll be $30

yeah ill transfer 0 btc to your wallet

user

Here, you dropped an 'm' :P

4D4850

Anyway, @RedwolfPrograms Any other recommendations. Apologies for being probably annoying, but I want to make sure it's good before I post it on CGCC Proper.

For the sandboxed post.

AviFS

21:25

@user I nearly swallowed that up :p

How did no one star that?!

@AaronMiller And how this doesn't have more upvotes is beyond me

@cairdcoinheringaahing I feel like people know ///, but it's an elegant and simple one. Same with Thue, could probably do them together.

Underslash

@user toxic lol :)

AviFS

If you want to find ///, search for it as "slashes"

@Underslash right?!

Underslash

@cairdcoinheringaahing also what does FGITW mean?

user

@Underslash :( How is it toxic?

hyper-neutrino

@Underslash Fastest Gun In The West; basically, answering really fast gives you more votes, which is called the FGITW effect

Underslash

21:33

oh lol

user

Sometimes on SO, two high-rep users agree to a duel, and whoever shoots the other one gets to take all their rep. That's how Jon Skeet has so much rep (and keeps repcapping)

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Underslash

I wouldnt say all of my posts are like that . . .

just most of them :D

user

That's...not star-worthy, honestly. Neither is my previous message imho

AviFS

@user I vote let's go change the definition of FGITW to this

@user Are you accusing me of bad taste?

hyper-neutrino

the second one is somewhat funnier, i starred it but i will be happy to retract that :P

the /users/current joke is pretty old tho

AviFS

21:35

Oh really? I didn't know it

user

^^ and ^^^

AviFS

You are you uppetying?

user

On second thought, I think the second is borderline okay, since it was made by the awesome user user, but not really the first (no offense AviFS :P)

@AviFS I'm accusing myself of bad jokes :P

AviFS

Then you're accusing me of liking bad jokes. Hmph.

user

@user (also I don't want to disagree with a mod)

AviFS

21:37

hahaha

hyper-neutrino

well it's not a bad joke :P it's just been used several times, which is probably why it didn't accumulate any stars previously :P

user

This. So much this.

@AviFS I take it back, now that HN said it's not a bad joke, I think it's a very funny joke and you have exquisite taste

Underslash

hey wait a second

this was starred

:( :( :(

smarnav

hmm... I have come upon a pretty ok question, but I don't know how to put it.

hyper-neutrino

sandbox it and we can give feedback on how to clarify this

if you just have a vague idea you can also ask in chat first to quickly see if it's a dupe, if it'd be viable, etc before sandboxing

user

21:44

@StackMeter Analyzing data on ducks that walk, talk, quack, fly, swim, and tango differently

smarnav

my idea is a program that performs the xor cipher on stdin, with a random key, and outputs the output of xor, and the random key

@hyper-neutrino has this been done before?

4D4850

@smarnav I don't think it's a dupe, but I only did a quick search.

hyper-neutrino

is this similar to your idea?

or how about this

if it's just "take a line of input, generate a random bitstring, and output the bitstring and xor", even if that's not a dupe, it's really boring

AviFS

@user Glad to have you back!

caird coinheringaahing

21:59

Ok, I'm posting the blog post in an hour (23:00 UTC), it'd be good to get a couple more nominations for languages/challenges/answers :)

Redwolf Programs

@4D4850 I went to do something right before you posted that, but yeah it looks fine to me.

smarnav

@hyper-neutrino ok, then I have an idea; The program will print "XOR Cipher Encoder", then take input in the command-line "Encode-> ", take input "Key----> and print the answer. If you pass the source code as both the input and the source reversed as the key, it will print a decoder, which will really only have to swap "Encoder" with "Decoder" in those print, and input statements.

4D4850

@smarnav I made a python script to do that. It's

xortextin = input("Encode-> ")
xortext = xortextin.encode('ascii')
xorkeyin = input("Key-> ")
xorkey = int(xorkeyin)
outstr = 0
for i in range(len(xortext)):
  out = xortext[i] ^ xorkey
  outchar = chr(out)
  if i != 0:
    outstr += outchar
  else:
    outstr = outchar

print(f"{outstr}\n")
print(xorkey)

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@SandboxPosts Most likely, no one will answer this, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

4D4850

Was the question a ploy to see if you could do html formatting in those box things.

user

No, it's a serious question

4D4850

Ok. I just wondered because that seems like something I would do.

user

I wouldn't need to post a question in our Sandbox for that, there's a different Sandbox, and also previews, for testing that

4D4850

22:21

Ok.

smarnav

22:45

I just saw the rpg se chat, and I am wondering, if it would be possible for this room to have a cool theme as well

user

No easter eggs for us :(

Search for "easter egg" in the top right bar, though, you'll see some interesting results

caird coinheringaahing

@smarnav Unlikely, SE is moving away from custom themes

totallyhuman

ok but what if i want to actually search the room for "easter egg" now

hyper-neutrino

you'd be lucky if SE chat search let you search the room for anything you actually wanted

totallyhuman

fair enough lol

lyxal

22:53

Excellent

Now no one will be adding community ads for a while

Adám

Someone should take the statements from Catja and JNat, and edit them into the post. After that, we can vote to reopen it.

user

@totallyhuman Chat search is so broken, you can't even search for e

Adám

Did we make history in closing a staff member's post as unclear?

caird coinheringaahing

I don't think so

lyxal

Probably

user

22:57

Is it the kind of history we want to make?

@lyxal What was the point in closing it, then? Even if everyone agrees it's not a great change, closing it isn't going to help

Adám

This community is unique in many ways. We also have the most answered post on the network.

smarnav

which one?

user

Probably the sandbox

Adám

The sandbox.

totallyhuman

sandbox presumably

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