The Nineteenth Byte

pxeger

15:01

I'm too young for death stars :(

user

That's why you need to wear your Darth Vader helmet :P

3

Thanks, Google Translate

Redwolf Programs

I want to know what the original was lol

user

> Elle est venere parce que t'es trop un chaud, mon pote! Elle dit qu'elle t'a grille en train de serrer une autre volaille dans un jardin d'hiver. Et que ca lui a file la gerbe.

tbf that's slang, so I don't really blame Google Translate, but it's just funny

caird coinheringaahing

SE has finished the process of improving moderator elections, to make them easier to run!

user

It's about a guy whose girlfriend caught him hugging another women in a winter garden

@cairdcoinheringaahing Yay!

Redwolf Programs

15:14

The first half makes sense. The second half most certainly does not lol.

user

volaille -> fowl -> woman because everyone knows women are birds

Redwolf Programs

Where did 'broiled' come from?

user

@user The line after is translated as "And that it gave him the wreath." (should be "And it made her want to puke")

@RedwolfPrograms grille. I don't know why the original used that word, apparently French teens think broiling and catching someone are the same thing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Wezl

* Wezl hates it when games crash when there's absolutely no way to save

user

Protip: Don't play games and you'll win 100% of them

Redwolf Programs

15:17

You'll also lose though

hyper-neutrino

Yeah but then you'll lose 100% of them :(

Wezl

okay sure

just after I finish this one :P

user

Good luck :P

@cairdcoinheringaahing Was this an urgent issue, though?

@user Another one: "She said that the scent was chlingu around her." Adding a period somehow makes it translate correctly (?) as "She said the scent was whispering around her."

caird coinheringaahing

15:37

@user Not really, but it means that the CMs are able to handle elections when needed a lot easier. Previously, they'd take like 3 months to organise and set up, this should make them a lot more streamlined

user

Oh ok

hyper-neutrino

@Bubbler I'm not too familiar with how CodeWars works. The Insane Colored Triangles kata is 2 kyu; does that mean it's meant to be pretty easy?

user

16:05

CMC: Take a binary tree that's been serialized depth-first, and serialize it breadth-first

pxeger

CMC: pass a Google software developer interview

user

?

hyper-neutrino

@user what are valid nodes and what is the null pointer placeholder or am I understanding serialization incorrectly

caird coinheringaahing

@pxeger Just use my trick: can't fail an interview if you don't have the interview :P

user

@hyper-neutrino Anything you want. The nodes can be positive integers and the null pointer placeholder can be null, 0, None, X, whatever

hyper-neutrino

16:08

okay

user

If you're talking about the Python/cards kind of pass, then "Thanks for the offer, but I'll pass"

SlamJammington

Howdy yall! I'm gonna post my golf idea on Code golf, but I just wanted to do a final check to see if anyone had any more comments: codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/23468/98592

Also, that makes me think, is there any esoteric language that's designed to solve combination problems, like how Charcoal handles a lot of art stuff?

hyper-neutrino

not really because it's not really that large of a category

and you can usually just use powerset/cartesian product + brute force if you don't care about efficiency

Adám

@SlamJammington Thank you for using the sandbox and asking for more feedback here! Experienced golfers really appreciate that.

SlamJammington

Thanks! I used to do a lot of reviews and proofreading for the SCP wiki, so I know how annoying it is to see low effort posts that people throw out without any proofreading

user

16:14

CMM: Do we need a new Sandbox? I've noticed it loads a bit slowly, especially on mobile, and it's often a hassle to find a draft you want

hyper-neutrino

status-declined

caird coinheringaahing

Unfortunately

user

:(

hyper-neutrino

0

Q: Can we retire the Sandbox?

It's been asked before, it's been rejected before and now I'm bringing it up again. I have a love/hate relationship with the Sandbox. I've voiced complaints before but I now have an idea that might work. The Sandbox is quite a good idea, despite having flaws. One of the flaws that we can easi...

I definitely think it deserves some clean-up though

granted, this post is 4 years old

Adám

@hyper-neutrino Hold on. Isn't user just asking for a fresh meta post to speed up loading?

caird coinheringaahing

16:15

Forgot about that post tbh

user

@Adám Yeah, a new Sandbox would be nice

hyper-neutrino

@Adám which is what retiring entails, which has been discontinued

though, maybe it's worth taking a look at it again

caird coinheringaahing

Honestly, I wouldn't mind pausing the sandbox for a few days, going through all proposals and reposting those that have a non-negative score to a new question

SlamJammington

That's a good idea, it's always good to go back through existing content for a cleanup

caird coinheringaahing

The problem is that 1) that involves pausing the Sandbox, which isn't great and 2) if we do that, how often do we keep doing it? We used to have 13 Sandboxes (we'd have one, then retire and make a new one) before they all got deleted and merged into the current one

user

16:17

@cairdcoinheringaahing That'd be nice, but it'd take a long time

hyper-neutrino

a lot of sandbox proposals are owned by people who are no longer on the site, and could do with either being opened for adoption or just canceled

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing We could just make a fresh Sandbox without moving any of the posts. The old Sandbox(es) would still be linked so people can see them and repost drafts if they wish to do so

As for changing the link, the Sandbox link could point to some other site that redirects to the current Sandbox

caird coinheringaahing

I agree with hyper in that opening a new meta post would be a good idea

pxeger

How about keep the current sandbox active, but create a new question, the "sandbox archive", and move all inactive sandbox posts to that once a week/month

hyper-neutrino

how though?

user

16:23

That sounds like a good idea

hyper-neutrino

the problem is the sandbox has way too much stuff in it and we can't move stuff out of it

we can only copy relevant things into a new post

pxeger

why can't you move stuff? I thought mods could move any answer between questions?

hyper-neutrino

don't think that's a thing

user

So all you can do is delete the original and copy it to a new question? :/

hyper-neutrino

yep, which doesn't help

pxeger

16:25

> 13 Sandboxes [...] all got deleted and merged into the current one

how did you merge them then?

hyper-neutrino

oh question merge?

yeah you can take everything from one question and put it into another

pxeger

Hmm. That seems a lot less useful than being able to move individual answers

user

Having to move individual answers would be a pain when merging questions, so ig both are necessary

hyper-neutrino

the point is that if two questions are the same thing we can collapse them into one and keep both posts' answers

moving individual answers doesn't actually make sense if you think about it network-wide

keep in mind the sandbox has poor technical support because it's not actually something that meta posts are supposed to be used for

user

We could make a sandbox-draft tag or smth, but that's a bit harder to search for

hyper-neutrino

16:31

I don't like that idea

also two other mods confirmed moving answers isn't a thing; just merging the whole question

New Posts

16:58

0

Q: Combinatorial Pipes

Combinatorial Pipes math combinations You're a plumber working on a house, and there's some pipes that must be connected at weird angles. You have 8°, 11.25°, 22.5°, 45°, and 90° fittings at your disposal, and you want to use as few as possible to match the angle as closely as possible. Goal Mat...

math combinatorics

SlamJammington

Oh hey I know that guy

hyper-neutrino

the hell is this mechanism

oh well. i probably should've just rejected that edit but whatever; the post is fine now and wzl gets 2 rep, nothing serious

Wezl

lol this is why I shouldn't try to edit :P

@hyper-neutrino don't feel bad, now my rep is a multiple of ten :D

hyper-neutrino

*sigh* another case of inappropriate flagging

when you flag a post as not an answer for being invalid, it goes to the VLQ review queue, and then if I edit it, it validates the NAA flag and dismisses it so I won't see it

by chance, I went to this post and noticed the flag counter so I checked and realized there was an NAA flag, and had to look through the post myself to figure out why it was invalid

^ PSA for why you should use custom flags when flagging invalid answers, otherwise I or someone else might just dismiss your flag without properly addressing it

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Redwolf Programs

17:16

@cairdcoinheringaahing Pausing it doesn't seem necessary

Compared to 3k posts, an extra few over those couple of days is nothing

Is there a way mods can destroy deleted posts so they don't appear for 10k users?

That might be nice for all of the already posted challenges

hyper-neutrino

don't think so

user

You could use a userscript to edit down to a stub and destroy more or less automatically

hyper-neutrino

yeah but that hardly helps TBH :/ there are just so many still

Redwolf Programs

It would be so nice if we could get some sort of custom solution for this, but I know it's not going to happen :(

SlamJammington

17:36

New code golf challenge: Fix our sandbox in as few lines as possible

Wezl

vtc as unclear: what lines? glyph lines? then I submit whitespace

oh wait I can't bc I just closed it

SlamJammington

By "lines" I mean clips of sentences from movies and plays

I.e. you can only code in that arnold schwarzenegger language

Redwolf Programs

That definitely makes this challenges better and not worse :p

var x = [0, 1];

x.fill(x);

That's some fun JS right there.

New Posts

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Q: Let's talk about the Sandbox

The Sandbox for Proposed Challenges is a great way for people to get feedback on challenges and make sure they are not duplicates, are clear, and are ready for posting before they post it to the main site. However, with over eight thousand answers (over three thousand undeleted answers), a lot of...

discussion sandbox

Redwolf Programs

18:16

If someone can get NP or SP to post something with a score other than 0 I'll give them $10 in brownie points (I'm not sure if it's possible honestly)

caird coinheringaahing

Time for sock puppet voting :P

hyper-neutrino

@RedwolfPrograms done

caird coinheringaahing

Mod abuse !!!111!1!

Redwolf Programs

Mod abuse!11!111!1!!!!!!

hyper-neutrino

E Z

Redwolf Programs

18:19

ninj'dd :(

That spelling though :'|

user

18:46

@RedwolfPrograms Easy, burn Texas down, post something, then when you get the bots back up, it'll have some downvotes :P

For legal reasons that's a joke

Redwolf Programs

We provided specific instructions to not mess with Texas :p

caird coinheringaahing

19:02

@NewPosts Ideally, we could just categorise all non-deleted posts, clear all answers from the thread then repost those that should be kept

Unfortunately, SE doesn't have a way to "wipe a question clean"

user

Posting this as a proper draft in the Sandbox

@cairdcoinheringaahing A userscript could probably be made to help with that

hyper-neutrino

honestly my opinion is that the best solution is a third-party page or something that displays sandboxed posts but in a good format rather than how SE does, because the sandbox is not really what anything on SE is meant to be used for xD

user

The problem with that is that people won't want to make an account elsewhere and wait 3 days just to ask a question

hyper-neutrino

no like

user

We'd drive away newcomers who'll think we have too many rules

hyper-neutrino

19:04

a page that makes API calls to the sandbox itself

for reviewers

user

Oh that's a great idea

Redwolf Programs

That fits in with the "review tools" part of my proposal

hyper-neutrino

yeah

user

It could allow filtering by tags, creation date, etc.

Redwolf Programs

I'd definitely be willing to help design something like that if it'd help

user

19:05

I'd be willing to help with that too

Wezl

let's just use codidact's sandbox and always cross-post :P

user

I love that Codidact integrates their Sandbox like that, although it could be better

hyper-neutrino

from what i've seen, i like the look of axtell more; it seems really tailored to codegolf which makes it better for codegolf but also not really extendable to other things the way codidact would be

user

Only problem with Axtell is that the run code thing doesn't include headers and footers, so there's errors :/

Also, it's dead

hyper-neutrino

the thing is as we see from axtell and TA, things that move off site tend to die...

codidact is going surprisingly well but i think it has also gone through extended inactivity

user

19:10

Time to fix that by crossposting, ig

hyper-neutrino

it's part of why i even chose to mod here after all - we've repeatedly seen that this community tends to die as soon as we try bringing it away from SE

caird coinheringaahing

Codidact isn't doing well, at least not by SE's metric of doing well

hyper-neutrino

sure, there are other communities but like, this community isn't very movable

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing By that metric, neither are we :/

hyper-neutrino

how so? I think we're doing fine

caird coinheringaahing

19:11

Actually we are

user

I thought SE's metric of doing well was 10 questions a day

caird coinheringaahing

Check Area 51, we're excellent in every category aside from that

hyper-neutrino

that's one of many

caird coinheringaahing

We have around 2 questions per day, which is "Needs Work" by Area 51. Codidact has <1 question a week, which is bad

user

I thought those stats were from when beta ended

Redwolf Programs

19:13

Given the problems we've had with SE, I don't really think moving to TA or Codidact would be the best solution. Either those sites grow and we end up in the same situation, or they don't and the site dies

Something like Axtell would be the best solution, but like an Area 51 proposal it requires a large number of people to be commited to join and stay active first

user

I don't think the same problems would come up there as long as everything is run by the community

caird coinheringaahing

We managed to get out of beta by an organised effort to reach 10/day, and we were even told by a CM that our Qs/day was the only factor holding us back and that we could only graduate once their system approved us

user

@RedwolfPrograms I mean, we can still give it another try and see what happens

caird coinheringaahing

IIRC Grace said we would've graduated in 2014/15 if Q/day wasn't a required metric

hyper-neutrino

@user developing a website takes a considerable amount of work

user

19:15

How is the Axtell website still up?

@hyper-neutrino I was thinking we could continue using Axtell, since for some reason it's still running

Although it's got bugs and the repo's archived :/

hyper-neutrino

@user presumably downgoat just keeps up their entire server and has no reason to kill it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

user

Guess we continue using SE and exploit Redwolf for userscripts :P

Redwolf Programs

Someday I'll just use the API to make an entire new front-end for the site :p

caird coinheringaahing

The server for Axtell is dead, so the site is basically just read only IIRC

hyper-neutrino

i posted an answer a few days ago

user

19:21

So did I :P

caird coinheringaahing

Never mind then :P

Redwolf Programs

Can someone post a link to it?

Googling it just brings up Axtell, Texas :p

user

axtell.vihan.org

hyper-neutrino

^

caird coinheringaahing

Pretty sure Mego's last message on the network was in the Axtell room saying that he's shutting down the server

Redwolf Programs

19:22

NGL that's a pretty nice looking site at first glance

user

^

hyper-neutrino

I agree

Redwolf Programs

With some improvements I could see something like that succeeding, we'd just have to organize a move, and have lots of people volunteer to copy over challenges and answers

user

The hard part would be maintaining a site whose creators aren't here to help anymore

Redwolf Programs

I've resisted moving to codidact because of the community here, and the time I've invested (rep, badges, posts, etc.). If we could bring a good amount of people to another site, and maybe have some sort of system to transfer over some amount of rep or badges in any way, I'd switch over for sure.

Not sure if Axtell could be that site or not, since it's unmaintained, but I'd fully support something similar if it was done right

user

19:28

Jun 7 at 23:18, by caird coinheringaahing

Plus, I can't speak for others, but I'm definitely "sunken-cost fallacy"-ed for CGCC

Redwolf Programs

^

CMP: If a site like Axtell were to be started up, would you contribute?

user

Yes, just because of the pretty UI :P

Redwolf Programs

Don't worry, pretty UI is a must-have for any site :p

caird coinheringaahing

My main reasons for staying here rather than move is 1) I've put in a lot of effort to improve the site, and I'm not done yet, 2) this site has 12000+ questions, most of them I can try. No where else has that level of contribution. 3) The community here is great, and is unlikely to be the same anywhere else

Redwolf Programs

Those are the exact reasons I stay.

user

19:33

All of those make sense, but if we can move questions, answers, and rep to Axtell automatically, and somehow encourage most of the community to make the move too, I think all that'll be left is the first point

caird coinheringaahing

The biggest problem with any new site is that you're starting from the beginning, which I hated. I remember being a low rep user, and I hated it. Even if people recognise me as caird elsewhere, I still don't have the same record of contribution elsewhere

Redwolf Programs

That's why I think preserving something like CGCC's reputation would be a good idea

Switching over shouldn't be starting over, it should be moving over

New Posts

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Q: Encode USB packets (part 2)

Inspired by this video by Ben Eater. This challenge forms a pair with Decode USB packets. The USB 2.0 protocol uses, at a low level, a line code called non-return-to-zero encoding (specifically, a variant called NRZI), in which a stream of bits is encoded into a stream of two electrical level sta...

code-golf binary encoding

user

It could also be incentivized (+50 rep for anyone who moves or smth)

Redwolf Programs

As much as well all pretend it's all about code golf and reputation doesn't matter, it does matter and we have invested years into this site and our reputations (number and otherwise).

Any new site that ignores that isn't going to grow significantly off of CGCC's existing community.

@user I was thinking something like 75%, but the rep might not necessarily scale the same on a different site.

user

19:36

Makes sense

pxeger

Any new site couldn't have the massive growth that Code Golf has (had) because of showing in HNQ for all SO users

Redwolf Programs

That's a good point

caird coinheringaahing

Reputation only matters as an indicator, not a goal. Whenever I go to Codidact, I notice that I only have 111 rep (or whatever) which, to me, indicates that my contributions there are much less valuable overall than my contributions here

I don't post answers to get reputation, but when I do get rep from them, it tells me that others find my answers good/interesting/whatever. Codidact doesn't have enough of a base for this to happen, and, until it does, it's difficult to find motivation to contribute there instead of here

user

Well, reputation's not as important on Codidact, since privileges are unlocked by doing stuff like suggesting lots of edits instead of simply posting stuff

hyper-neutrino

I mean, the other thing is on Codidact I am just a random user, I don't have a responsibility or privilege to maintain things or such, which just feels off to me :P

Redwolf Programs

19:44

I don't think a new site like Axtell is something we need right now, but I'd fully support it if things start going bad at SE again

We could call it cgcc.golf :p

Or, to really emphasize our values, cgcc.community :p

user

cgcc.com/mutiny

Redwolf Programs

Taken, but golf.codes isn't :p

user

cde.glf

Sandbox Posts

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Side to side, not up and down code-golf binary-tree Given a list of nodes representing a binary tree of positive integers serialized depth-first, return a list of nodes representing the same tree serialized breadth-first. To represent an absent child, you may use null, 0, 'X', Nothing, [], or any...

user

@RedwolfPrograms HN could merge a question with the Sandbox maybe?

Or a migrated question

Redwolf Programs

19:59

Not sure if that triggers the right action or not

user

~~Time to post an off-topic question on SO that gets moved here~~

@RedwolfPrograms Hang on a sec, lemme test that

Redwolf Programs

20:10

If you only got to pick one to have in a golfing language, would you choose minimum or maximum of an array?

hyper-neutrino

@RedwolfPrograms minimum

it feels like it's more common and thus would be on average golfier to have min and use neg min neg for maximum

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 1 min ago, by user1271772

Were you also a mod before? (I know you're now a mod on Code Review, but what about before age 18)?

...

Redwolf Programs

Anyone else know that feeling when you free up a spot on your language's code page and there's so many possiblities for operators your mind goes blank and you can't think of which to add in its place?

user

How do you mix up Code Review and Code Golf?

hyper-neutrino

that's one of the main obstacles I run into when I am trying to start a language

@user they have similar names, so I can understand that if you know nothing about the two or about the mod themselves :P

user

@RedwolfPrograms Add one to destroy every universe where you have the wrong answer

Redwolf Programs

20:23

Should fib(0) be 0 or 1?

(and, if 1, should fib(1) be 1 or 2?)

user

0

As long as you have a tail builtin, getting to the 1,1,2 version will be one byte

On the other hand, if it starts with one, you'll need two bytes to prepend 0

Redwolf Programs

Be careful about making assumptions about my new golfing(?) language ;p

user

If it's not a golfing language, ig you can just do whatever ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Redwolf Programs

It's very different from most golfing languages, but I think I class it as one

It's almost done, too. I'm almost ready to ~~unleash~~ publish it.

user

70

Q: NUMAH LITTERS OV KITTEHS ON TEH NETZ

It's not fair that 1% of the users hold 75% of the lolcode questions. #OccupyMatsMug ~ user2296177 I agree. Without further ado, here's the LOLCODE version of 99 bottles of beer on the wall: OBTW PRINT TEH LOLCODE VERSHUN OV N BOTTLEZ OV BER ON TEH WALL. TLDR HAI 1.3 HOW IZ I CO...

strings 99-bottles-of-beer lolcode

Redwolf Programs

20:31

Aw, I thought that was NP and I was about to VTC :(

hyper-neutrino

beautiful

Redwolf Programs

20:47

Should a while loop return:
1. The number of iterations
2. The result of the last iteration
3. The results of every iteration as an array

(Assuming it can't have any effect outside the loop)

hyper-neutrino

if only one is allowed, 2

the other two results cannot be used to derive the other two results

sorry

3

with the third option you can then use length to get 1 or tail to get 2

user

^

Redwolf Programs

I think I've finished my language.

Now I just need to test it, and write the documentation (which will take a long time because it's so unique)

hyper-neutrino

what paradigm is it

user

Link?

Redwolf Programs

20:52

@hyper-neutrino Can't tell you yet, but it doesn't fit very well into any of them AFAICT

hyper-neutrino

o.O

Redwolf Programs

@user No link yet, top secret until I finish it all

hyper-neutrino

well from what I can tell i already know it seems to have a very restrictive amount of built-ins :P

user

Plot twist: It's a language for controlling the hivemind

Redwolf Programs

Okay, we're off to a good start. Unbalanced brackets somewhere.

hyper-neutrino

20:53

nice!

Redwolf Programs

And I have to leave for like 15m

user

@hyper-neutrino Probably because there's only so much space on a human brain, those things are dumb :P

hyper-neutrino

@user fair enough :p is the hivemind turing complete (assuming infinite memory)?

user

That's a lot of children and food and stuff you're asking for

I don't want to imagine a world where there are infinitely many humans (or humans with infinitely large heads)

@hyper-neutrino But probably, yeah, as long as the supreme leader controlling it also has a TC mind :P

caird coinheringaahing

@user NGL thought that was NP and was about to VTC, like Redwolf :/

user

21:01

Y U WANTS 2 CLOSE IT?

A username

21:19

I have absolutely no idea

@RedwolfPrograms Yes

Redwolf Programs

21:46

Y'know what I hate? JS validators that don't understand modern syntax.

hyper-neutrino

Y'know what I hate? JS ~~validators that don't understand modern syntax~~.

Redwolf Programs

Even bigints are fairly widespread nowadays, but not understanding ES6 is ridiculous

Wezl

Y'know what I hate? ~~JS validators that don't understand~~ modern syntax.

hyper-neutrino

Y'know what I hate? ~~JS validators that don't understand modern~~ syntax.

Redwolf Programs

I missed a closing parenthesis somewhere in a thousand line file. This is very painful.

Wezl

21:51

~~Y'know what~~ I ~~hate? JS validators that~~ don't understand ~~modern syntax.~~

@RedwolfPrograms just paste it :P

Redwolf Programs

Where?

user

Y'know what I hate? ~~JS validators that don't understand~~ mod ~~ern~~ s ~~yntax~~.

hyper-neutrino

Y'know what I hate? ~~JS validators that don't~~ u ~~nder~~ s ~~tand mod~~ er ~~n syntax.~~

4

:D

user

Me too

Redwolf Programs

D:

hyper-neutrino

21:56

Jun 1 at 22:29, by user

yesterday, by user

@hyper-neutrino I just want to let you know that if you ever need to talk to someone about what seem like self-esteem issues, you can contact my therapist.

user

This is how I actually get therapy

Redwolf Programs

I'm so stupid

user

I rickroll someone and feel superior when they fall for it :P

Redwolf Programs

I missed a }

After a switch statement

Wezl

switch statements are the worst :\

Redwolf Programs

21:58

@user I didn't get rickrolled, I'm stupid for another reason

user

@Wezl Why?

Redwolf Programs

They are though

Very weird syntax for a C-like language

user

@RedwolfPrograms I know, I was typing out my message as you sent yours. Too bad you weren't rickrolled :(

Wezl

@user because they're statements. Also, break. Also, they restrict types (at least in C)

hyper-neutrino

@user unluckily for you, I hovered it and decided a shortlink from any of you guys is not trustworthy :P

my antirickroll didn't detect that :c

user

21:59

@Wezl Oh yeah, the fact that it falls through is so annoying

@hyper-neutrino Who's "you guys"? Me, lyxal, and Redwolf?

hyper-neutrino

this whole room

Wezl

a way to fall through is helpful, but goto should be used for that

user

Neal Stephenson thinks it's cute to name his labels 'dengo'

@hyper-neutrino That's...that's fair :P

Redwolf Programs

What I dislike about switch is the syntax

user

I honestly think it's better because of the lack of curly braces with case foo:

A username

22:02

~~Y'know what~~ I ~~hate? JS validators that~~ don't understand ~~modern syntax.~~

Redwolf Programs

The falling through is nice, but it should be the default. Using fall or repurposing continue would be nice.

A username

GOTO GOTO GOTO

user

@RedwolfPrograms Mmm, repoirpoising continue is a good idea

Wezl

@RedwolfPrograms just goto! It really is clear here

Redwolf Programs

No, that's an awful idea to allow

A username

22:03

Reporpoising?

Wezl

@user continue is just a crippled goto

@Ausername ninj'd :P

Redwolf Programs

continue is just a readable, optimizable, restricted goto

user

Useless fact of the day: Java has goto as a reserved word, and lets you break out of any labelled block, but not go into one

@RedwolfPrograms I would prefer dropping continue too

Also return

A username

@RedwolfPrograms How can JS handle that?

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I like return

A username

22:04

It's infinite!'

Wezl

^^^^

Redwolf Programs

JS arrays are just pointers

It's just [x, x], where x is a pointer to that

A username

That's confusing

Very confusing

Redwolf Programs

Welcome to JS

user

@RedwolfPrograms I guess it's useful sometimes, and depending on the language, it and continue can be crucial, but they can make reading code a bit harder

A username

22:05

I've been here for a while

Wezl

#1=(#1# #1#) very helpful syntax

user

What is that?!

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I think return and continue make things much more readable

When not abused, of course (for continue)

user

Which they easily are

A username

break javascript;

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22:06

return at the end of functions is kind of ugly, but I don't like things being auto-returned

Wezl

apparently like one JS engine actually supports sharp variables kangax.github.io/compat-table/non-standard/…

user

I mean, it really depends on the language. In a more imperative language, continue makes a lot of sense, but not in a more functional language

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I think FF used to

Wezl

@user sharp variables

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Sharp variables would be confusing to have in a modern JS version because #name is used for private fields in class syntactic sugar

user

22:08

Scary

Wezl

@RedwolfPrograms en garde

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With curly brackets, at least

With parentheses it's fine

user

@Ausername cursed

A username

String argh[]

user

@RedwolfPrograms Neither did I, at first, but you learn to embrace it

@Ausername Read that as argh arr!

A username

22:11

Oh nice

user

@user (this was a bad pun btw. laugh pls)

A username

Play the Russian side

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Are windows newlines \r\n or \n\r?

user

\r\n

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Thought so

Thanks

user

22:22

Newlines are always painful, especially when parsing :(

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22:32

Finished interpreter. Now I need to debug it, which will probably take a while.

hyper-neutrino

good luck, see you next year

user

o/

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I should be done by the end of today or tomorrow

It's a somewhat small small proof-of-concept language

"somewhat small" from an Ash perspective, meaning "under a month of work" :p

(Actually just several days, but only because I stole most of the operators and their code from Ash)

Bubbler

@hyper-neutrino 8kyu is the easiest, 1kyu is the hardest

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Q: Collatz ice cream

The Collatz sequence Given a positive integer \$a_0\$, the Collatz sequence with starting value \$a_0\$ is defined as \begin{equation*} a_{n+1} = \begin{cases} a_n/2 & \mathrm{if}\ a_n\ \mathrm{is}\ \mathrm{even} \\ 3a_n+1 & \mathrm{if}\ a_n\ \mathrm{is}\ \mathrm{odd}. \end{cases} \end{equation*}...

code-golf number integer graphical-output

user

22:40

I feel cheated - I thought this would involve ice cream, not just ice cream cones

Luis Mendo

^^ My first use of tables :-) @cairdcoinheringaahing

@user Title was too long with the word "cone"...

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To me the current one seems too short :p

Luis Mendo

Any suggestion?

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Consecutive Distance Rating code-golf array-manipulation number We'll call the consecutive distance rating of an integer sequence the sum of the distances between consecutive integers. Consider 2 9 3 6 8 1. 2 9 3 6 8 1 <----5----> <-2-> <--3--> \$2\$ and \$1\$ are consecutive integers, and the...

user

@RedwolfPrograms Dis is cod golf, ig

hyper-neutrino

22:43

@Bubbler ohh. so the challenge is difficult and i'm not just dumb :)

Neil

23:38

@RedwolfPrograms in days gone by you could have written that as var x = #1=[#1#, #1#];

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms to translate this into normal English: I'll end up getting the language to a point where it's almost ready and then move on \s

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@Neil Wezl mentioned that earlier, yeah :p

Neil

@RedwolfPrograms it needs to be 0 for the Binet formula to work

@RedwolfPrograms sorry, I'm still mired in scrollback

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After more than a few hours of inactivity I don't even bother trying to read all of the transcripts lol

rak1507

I normally just skim them to see if there was anything interesting (there never is)

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Wezl

23:42

^

lyxal

Real gamers just read the starboard instead

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gtg for now, but I should have the testing finished tonight or tomorrow. It's going faster than I thought it would.

user

@rak1507 The ROs hide all the good messages just before you arrive :P

rak1507

@user that explains why there are always so many of yours left :P

user

@lyxal Btw any new quotes from GPT?

@rak1507 lol

lyxal

23:47

@user I may have forgotten to do so and played fnf instead...

user

Understandable, have a good day

rak1507

Not understandable, disappointing, have a terrible day.

user

If lyxal has a terrible day, they'll be too sad to try out the AI and we won't get any more juicy fake text :/

rak1507

oh true, in that case have a good day

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