The Nineteenth Byte

Bubbler

00:08

Any feedback on the changed conditions?

Also this?

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Q: Turn-based RPS Poker

This is a two-player card game which resembles a vastly simplified game of Texas Hold'em, combined with RPS (rock-paper-scissors) and the most basic mechanic of commercial turn-based card games. The deck A single full deck consists of 30 unique cards, where each card has one symbol out of RPS and...

Bubbler

Meanwhile, the ijk challenge became my top #2 challenge in just two days

lyxal

00:37

TIL you can have animated slide backgrounds in powerpoint. very cool

Redwolf Programs

00:48

> This survey is anonymous. Please enter your name to affirm you have read and understand this.

10/10

Bubbler

That's very sus

Wezl

just enter "your name" I guess

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms link to survey?

Redwolf Programs

It's school related so no :p

lyxal

aww.

Redwolf Programs

00:52

Unless you want to provide feedback on the quality of my precalculus class

Wezl

yes, yes I do

lyxal

I do too!

Adám

Me too.

Wezl

we have observed its ~~horrible~~ effects on you, so we can judge it

lyxal

Write your name as Redwolf�Programs and watch them freak out

rak1507

00:53

Same here!

Redwolf Programs

I was going to say it wouldn't matter anyway since you have to enter my full name, but uh...

Y'all know it already lol

lyxal

You have 5 people wanting to take your survey for you

don't keep the crowd waiting

Wezl

*bribes*

Redwolf Programs

And apparently "my grade has been recorded"

Looks like someone forgot to change the default message lol

Wezl

:D school is so much fun

OldSandboxPosts

01:00

Sandbox posts last active a week ago: Introduction, What is the link to your answer?, Print a BigNum, Solve a Quartic Equation, Calculate \$ \lfloor n \log_2(n) \rfloor \$, exactly

Sandbox posts last active a week ago: Memory KoTH

Adám

@lyxal Try turning off your dark mode.

lyxal

It fixes itself when I start to write a message

caird coinheringaahing

Any additions y'all want to add? :P

@OldSandboxPosts "Introduction" can be edited down and deleted, that's been posted.

rak1507

the fact it's not in alphabetical order is deeply upsetting

Adám

@cairdcoinheringaahing Jelly/05AB1E/…: What if everything was about byte count?

@cairdcoinheringaahing sh: What if everything was a file?

@cairdcoinheringaahing Piet: What if everything was a painting?

@cairdcoinheringaahing Scratch: What if everything was a block?

@cairdcoinheringaahing Whitespace: What if everything was ?

@cairdcoinheringaahing Why is the "L" in COBOL not bold?

@cairdcoinheringaahing Node.js: What if Node.js was a programming language?

lyxal

01:25

Among us: what if the impostor was sus? 😳

Bubbler

CMC: I found a Jelly 14-byter for the dihedral group challenge. 200 rep bounty if anyone can ninja me while I'm writing the explanation for it

hyper-neutrino

heh, i doubt it'll find it even without the time pressure, but i'll give it a shot

lyxal

Developer survery: what languages have you used in the last year? Me: Vyxal

hyper-neutrino

well I got 24, fml :/

haha, it's the exact same as caird's, but with a different ordering of the steps

Bubbler

Wait, it doesn't work on empty input :/

hyper-neutrino

01:42

mfw java is better equipped for this challenge than jelly

Bubbler

01:57

And it didn't work for other reasons, now all fixed at 17

Revised CMC: I found a Jelly 17-byter for the dihedral group challenge. 200 rep bounty if anyone can ninja me while I'm writing the explanation for it

Unrelated String

lol

hyper-neutrino

02:12

well, i figured out a potential trick, but i can't get it using a shorter approach than just reordering caird's solution to be less efficient :/

Bubbler

Well, the CMC is over :P

hyper-neutrino

alright, well, i still want to try to get to this independently, but i feel like this is some bool-conversion/bitwise memes that i am not gonna figure out :p

one thing i have is that you can just repeatedly replace sr with rrrs first and then handle separately but i don't actually see a good way of doing the latter step without just doing the split-on-1,1,1,1, flatten, split-on-0,0, flatten thing lol

Razetime

where there is a bubbler there is always a clever mixed base conversion

hyper-neutrino

true

Razetime

although maybe not in this question

hyper-neutrino

02:24

inb4 it involves something like using 3 and 7 as inputs and converting to base 19 or smth

Bubbler

02:44

Honestly base conversion builtins should come in two versions, one for highest digit first and the other for lowest digit first

ngn

03:35

@Bubbler "highest digit first" should probably be called something else, not base conversion

Bubbler

Funny thing is that all of APL/J/Jelly use highest digit first for base conversion

J has "polynomial" for the reverse

ngn

@Bubbler huh. what do you mean? i thought "highest digit first" was something like n -> floor(n/b), floor(n/(b^2)), floor(n/(b^3)), .. (and maybe differences between them)

Bubbler

I mean 13 in base 2 is [1, 1, 0, 1] in them, not [1, 0, 1, 1]. 2⊥1 1 0 1 → 13, 2⊥⍣¯1⊢13 → 1 1 0 1

ngn

@Bubbler ah.. little-endian. that would make more sense because powers of the base would correspond to the indices in the result.

hyper-neutrino

isn't that big-endian?

wherein the order of digits is how one writes it out, so 13 is 1,3?

ngn

03:42

@ngn but it's just the reverse of big-endian base conversion, not fundamentally different

Bubbler

The current languages only support big-endian, and I'm suggesting to have little-endian too

ngn

@hyper-neutrino right

hyper-neutrino

it's not too different but (at least in jelly) with base conversion with a right argument your chaining rules can get messed up if you're forced to manually reverse lol

Bubbler

though yes, it's just a matter of reverse

hyper-neutrino

actually wouldn't <base convert> <reverse> <2-link dyad combine> work? it's +2 though, so even a 2b built-in saves in all cases

using 2,1 chaining being F(left ~ dyad ~ right)

Sandbox Posts

03:51

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Compute the generalised XOR code-golf base-conversion The goal of this challenge is to calculate a function which behaves similar to the bitwise xor function, but in any base. Given two non-negative integers \$ x \$ and \$ y \$, and another integer \$ b \$ such that \$ b \geq 2 \$, compute the g...

lyxal

04:33

this is way too cursed for my liking

Sandbox Posts

04:49

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Drawing the Super User logo The goal is to create the Mathematics Stack Exchange logo using ASCII characters. It looks like this. The exact output should look like this: _______ ____ | \ | | | | | _ \ | |.| ___ | \-/ / | ...

hyper-neutrino

> Mathematics Stack Exchange

lyxal

05:03

@hyper-neutrino can you delete chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/58150271#58150271 ? I had to remove the video from YT because I realised I left some sensitive info in the video

hyper-neutrino

@lyxal done :+1:

lyxal

l'thank

hyper-neutrino

although, the video is gone (AFAICT) so i don't think the message offers any info anymore? but i've redacted and purged it anyway

lyxal

I know that, but I thought having the link gone too would be good

hyper-neutrino

true. never hurts to play it safe :p

in any case all that's lost is a tiny bit of context anyway lol

Bubbler

05:08

Meanwhile, inconsistent I/O can make Jelly 13 bytes in two ways

lyxal

What's another word for "quick" in the Jelly sense? Asking because I'm thinking of making a Vyxal fork that has postfix operators like Jelly's quicks

Bubbler

Transformer? Macro?

hyper-neutrino

adverb? (I think another language uses this; J?)

lyxal

Either transformer or adverb

ngn

@hyper-neutrino and k

Bubbler

05:13

I guess macro would work, since it is the name for the thing that takes part of AST and transforms it

lyxal

Except it isn't really a macro in the traditional sense

Transformer sounds the best to me

Bubbler

Rust macros exactly do that

ngn

@Bubbler i really dislike it when new languages use established terms to mean something else

Bubbler

and there must be some name used by Lisp family too

@ngn Then what is the established meaning of macro? (Just asking because I wasn't aware of that)

ngn

@Bubbler something that rewrites source code or transforms the ast

but an adverb/transformer is not doing that

lyxal

05:17

@ngn that's what I thought the definition of a macro was too

hyper-neutrino

it does transform the AST though, doesn't it? a Jelly quick can change the arity which therefore changes its chaining

and also it just modifies in-place an atom, it doesn't become part of the execution, it just changes the meaning of a function

lyxal

For my purposes, transforming seems more fitting

ngn

@hyper-neutrino can a "quick" be used to make arbitrary ast transformations?

hyper-neutrino

Well... now I'm not sure I know what that means, lol

Bubbler

A quick does a limited form of AST transformation, in that it pops last n "objects" from the source "stack" and pushes a new source object

ngn

05:24

@hyper-neutrino i was asking because i'm not very familiar with jelly. actually, it's hard to come up with a realistic example for a useful macro, as jelly has no variables..

Bubbler

A macro also takes some arguments in the form of source object and creates a new source object out of it, I think?

hyper-neutrino

@ngn Bubbler's answer is correct from everything I know. i'm familiar with jelly for the most part, but not so much with the rest of what we're talking about :p

A username

Hi

ngn

@Bubbler does that happen before runtime?

Bubbler

Yes, at parsing time

ngn

05:28

ok, maybe you're right to call it that then

so, it's not like operators in apl or adverbs in j&k

if i understand correctly, the "quick" transforms the ast and disappears once jelly starts evaluating

whereas adverbs remain as part of the ast and are interpreted in a special way

Bubbler

Most quicks are like a hybrid of a (possibly variadic) adverb and a macro, because they act on source code objects but they also add a special functionality to them (like / in +/ takes a dyad + and creates a monad that reduces with +; +2/ takes a nilad 2 and a dyad + to create a monad that reduces each 2-chunk with +)

A true macro-like quick is ⁺, which duplicates the last source object

hyper-neutrino

oh yeah does A⁺ become AA$ or AA in the source?

ngn

@Bubbler that's not my understanding of macro

Bubbler

@hyper-neutrino AA I think

ngn

a macro is supposed to perform a source-to-source or ast-to-ast transformation and disappear completely

but the / in +/ remains there until the actual evaluation

Bubbler

05:40

Hmm

hyper-neutrino

oh, $ doesn't error if it doesn't have enough things to combine. hm.

wanted to test by doing AA⁺$ lol

even tie doesn't error

Bubbler

Then you can say most quicks are not actual macros, though a quick can act as one

hyper-neutrino

yeah, it seems to be AA. F⁺€ applied to [[1, 2], [3, 4]] gives [1, 2, 3, 4] which is consistent with FF€ and not FF$€

Bubbler

So F⁺€ parses like this: push F; pop F and push F twice; apply € to the last item

so the source "stack" becomes [F, F€]

hyper-neutrino

which is definitely macro-like and can't just be a modification of an atom

ngn

05:45

ok. we can't say that about +/ though

Unrelated String

does the / not pop the + and push a combined +/

hyper-neutrino

I suppose. though i'd argue it's "pop + and push reduce by add"

ngn

@hyper-neutrino what if + is an arbitrary user-defined function ("link"? or whatever it's called), what would / push on the source stack?

Unrelated String

it would push reduce-by-that

hyper-neutrino

well it just pops whatever is on the source stack and pushes "reduce by that thing"

doesn't matter if it's a single atom or a custom link; i don't think there's any distinction

Unrelated String

05:48

it parses quicks using stack operations

yeha i'm pretty sure there is no distinction

Bubbler

There's definitely a wrapper that acts as an adverb, but it's kinda hard to say whether the / in the source code is the wrapper

ngn

so these "reduce by .." things can't be primitive operations because jelly can't possibly know what function i'm going to reduce. so, +/ must be some structure that preserves information about the /

Bubbler

That's correct

hyper-neutrino

well, I would argue that that's wrong on a technicality - the structure as far as Jelly is concerned isn't a / plus a dyad, it's just some monad

but the monad's functionality technically preserves information that it's being /'d over a dyad in the Python callable that sits on the source stack

so nvm maybe that is right. but one could see it as being either

ngn

ok, so it's a philosophical question of whether that / in the structure is "the same thing" as the / in the source code (or ast)

hyper-neutrino

05:52

i guess :P

Bubbler

The object formed from +/ would look like, say, an object of class Reduce containing the function +. The parser sees the token /, pops +, and pushes a Reduce(+). This action is not quite distinguishable from, say, what APL does, as it sees /, consumes the thing on its left, and creates a Reduce AST node

at least from the outside

hyper-neutrino

I mean the difference just comes down to whether you put the / on the AST or hide it within a node as a nested object lol. So I guess there isn't particularly a difference

Bubbler

(and it doesn't help that there's no other way to create a Reduce object in Jelly)

ngn

@Bubbler apl does everything at runtime, as until the very last moment it can't even be sure / means "reduce". it could be "replicate".

Bubbler

At least it does parsing for each line before it can run that line

ngn

05:58

@Bubbler not really

only tokenization

A username

I think Vyxal wasn't working for me because caching.

ngn

@Bubbler classic example: a b c. how would that parse? (a b)c or a(b c)? you can't tell until you know the nameclasses of a, b, and c, and those will be revealed only at evaluation time.

that's one of the big problems with apl that have been solved in k.

Bubbler

I'd argue parsing happens at evaluation time then

ngn

@Bubbler exactly

hyper-neutrino

since jelly links are variadic then they'd have to be parsed at evaluation time

actually, maybe i need to run a test on that

is it possible for a link to be valid in dyad but not monad? or vice versa?

ngn

06:03

@Bubbler btw, i'm looking forward to your fastest-code ulc evaluation challenge :) (this is not a promise that i'll be able to solve it)

hyper-neutrino

might be easier to dig through the source code to figure out, but I am assuming they are parsed at runtime, rather than Jelly parsing them in all three arities first and just calling on the appropriate one

Bubbler

A Jelly source line is evaluated in two phases: constructing the source stack (quicks are resolved here), and running the source stack with given arity

hyper-neutrino

Okay. so the parsing is at evaluation then

Bubbler

I guess parsing is involved in both stages

hyper-neutrino

i mean, it is possible to parse it at "compile-time" into all three arities and then just select the appropriate one, at least in theory, right?

Bubbler

06:06

Yes, it's certainly possible

hyper-neutrino

what is the arity of a tie, BTW

is it just the max of all of them?

Bubbler

That's a mystery :P

hyper-neutrino

time to dig through source code for like 20 seconds :p

yeah it's the max of 1 and each of the links' arities

ret = [attrdict(arity= max(1, *arities(links)))]

Bubbler

good

hyper-neutrino

this is IMO the only sensible way to do it

Bubbler

06:09

kinda true

hyper-neutrino

maybe max with 0 could work too?

god imagine if the arity changed each time. i don't even think that'd work but that'd be really fun (in a masochistic sense of the word) to try to understand in a more complex structure

Unrelated String

i'm not sure you could even necessarily do that if you apply another quick to the tie but it would be funny

hyper-neutrino

i want to find a sane application of putting a tie into a tie

AB tie C tie would do [A C B C] ... which... i currently can't think of too sane of a use for

Bubbler

Well, +- tie - tie reduce does "add one and subtract next three"

StackMeter

@hyper-neutrino qué

Bubbler

06:22

or --+ tie tie to be precise, as in [a,b,c,d,e,f,g,...] -> a-b-c-d+e-f-g-...

it is shorter than ---+4 tie

hyper-neutrino

huh

@StackMeter the return value is a singleton list containing an attrdict (custom type for Jelly) whose arity is the maximum of 1 and all tied links' arities

Unrelated String

ties are niche enough to begin with

hyper-neutrino

true

it seems they're either part of some super intelligent solution or just not really applicable

Bubbler

except for challenges like "add, sub, mul, div, cycle"

hyper-neutrino

true

Unrelated String

06:30

i feel like mapping ties can come up as sort of an apply different functions to different elements of an array of known length kind of thing

hyper-neutrino

Jonathan Allan's tie in a reduce trick was really clever (for the non-abelian order 8 group question)

A username

06:50

5k rep!

As a celebration, I'm going to finally do my math homework.

hyper-neutrino

congrats :p and good idea

ok so i slept early to try to get up for BMG which i failed to do and now it's 3 AM and i'm not tired and i still need to get up for work tmr pls help

Bubbler

Lol

hyper-neutrino

ah the advantages of having a completely demolished sleep schedule

Bubbler

I can't, I spent too much time on CGCC for a whole week and have done practically nothing :P

About to join "three repcaps on a single week" gang

hyper-neutrino

ooh, nice :p

most i've had is 5 in a row (6 within a week)

ngn

06:55

@hyper-neutrino try to count sheep with transfinite ordinals? :)

hyper-neutrino

5 caps then a gap then 3 caps

ah, back when i had so much time and motivation compared to now

@ngn i will give that a shot :p

ok i'm sleep deprived enough that i could probably sleep right now if i wanted. but a) i don't really want to even though it's a shitty idea to not and b) i don't feel tired at least

A username

Bubbler, kick-mute hyper. That should get him to sleep.

lyxal

Can't kick mute a mod I don't think

hyper-neutrino

i assume you are joking, but one of our mod powers is total immunity to kick-mutes :p

A username

:(

hyper-neutrino

06:58

ninja'd, and now i'm about to get "you're not joking"'d

A username

That's lyxal's job.

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino you assumed wrong

A username

No I was joking

lyxal

An understandable error, but still an error

@Ausername you really weren't. You were and still are A Username

hyper-neutrino

also FWIW, for the record kick-muting is announced to all other ROs (IIRC)

A username

07:00

sighs

What does FWIW stand for?

hyper-neutrino

not sure about mods presently in the room - I am not an RO of this room by definition of the room owner list

for what it's worth

A username

:58152161 ninjad

lyxal

Guys what does idk mean? Everyone keeps telling me that they don't know and it's kinda getting frustrating.

hyper-neutrino

i don't know

sorry, gonna have to ask someone else

lyxal

Dang it not you too!

Bubbler

07:02

I'm pretty sure no one knows

A username

We're meant to disapprove golfing edits right?

hyper-neutrino

yes

A username

Good cos I just did.

lyxal

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Q: When it is and is not acceptable to edit someone else's post

TL;DR: In what circumstances is it ok (by CGCC and politeness standards) to edit directly a post (be it challenge, answer, sandbox question, etc), assuming the edit is done in good faith? I know people can rollback edits and further edit a post, but in the meantime that goes from the unwanted edi...

discussion editing

There's a meta post for that

A username

Also it was by a suspended user (don't ask)

@Ausername At this rate, it'll take me another two months to get to 10k, and another year to finish my homework.

Wheat Wizard

07:21

xigoi just beat Dennis' jelly answer here 5 years after the fact:

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A: Map a list of indefinite size to a number!

Jelly, 13 12 bytes Encode, 7 6 bytes 2Bṁx‘Ḅ Try it online! Decode, 6 bytes ȯIBŒɠ’ Try it online! Encodes positive integers in the run lengths of the binary representation. Since we may have zeros, we increment all numbers. For example, the list [0,1,4] is encoded as 10011111 in binary. Numbers ...

hyper-neutrino

ooh, very nice. and no new features used, just a new approach!

A username

That's got to be a record... Also, respect Dennis's two ns.

@WheatWizard TWO NS IN DENNIS!

Wheat Wizard

@hyper-neutrino Yeah, I wasn't certain of this since I know very little Jelly but I thought it was the case.

hyper-neutrino

well at least it looks like no new features to me

not too sure about Œɠ actually

but the rest i think have been around for a long time

it's group run lengths, which seems not new. idk tho. in any case it's a clever approach even if it does use a new feature or two so nice

Wheat Wizard

And it is a significant improvement, not just 1 or two bytes. My guess would be 2016 Jelly could still express group, short enough to beat the old one.

hyper-neutrino

07:30

true as well, yeah

A username

07:45

17 hours ago, by pxeger

@ROs, is it worth removing the now finished BMG announcements from the starboard since we no longer need it?

If we have a starboard, where's our port?

pxeger

that is a question with no answer

o/ @JoKing

Jo King

heyo

A username

I've been impersonating you, sorry

Jo King

you've been joking?

hyper-neutrino

is it just me or has it been a while since the three of us have been in chat at the same time? :p

Unrelated String

07:49

seems like it

Razetime

require feedback and help with testcases pls

hyper-neutrino

speaking of counting sheep, i seriously need to sleep now lol. o/

pxeger

\o

StackMeter

08:16

what happened here?

Razetime

@StackMeter sheep.

StackMeter

I don't get it

pxeger

there's nothing to get

StackMeter

why did @Razetime say "sheep".

pxeger

well the most recent 2 messages before you entered the room were about counting sheep

sheep

32 mins ago, 1 minute total – 2 messages, 2 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked just now by pxeger

StackMeter

08:23

ok

what happened before that

pxeger

I dunno

StackMeter

@Bubbler :(

I haven't repcapped once

Wasif

hi

StackMeter

hi @Wasif

Wasif

@StackMeter hello

StackMeter

08:33

also nice to see Wezl's put the e back in their name

@Wasif I do not know what challenge to do next

Wasif

@StackMeter you didn't ever post a question on CGCC until now, are you thinking to make one

StackMeter

yes

Wasif

(If you are talking about that)

StackMeter

I am talking about that

pxeger

you have no obligation to post challenges

StackMeter

08:44

I know

but this is the first one that has real potential

the new edit for my question is now out

pxeger

@RedwolfPrograms I've updated your SE Chat Monospace Fix to include the transcript pages and the 2 other chat domains: gist.github.com/pxeger/935cba86c281003b9f788e7f7f79c44b

StackMeter

it here

Wasif

09:02

@StackMeter I have an idea for you, determine the quarter of an angle. given an angle in degrees (degree is an integer, positive or negative). Return which quarter of a circle the angle is in.

pxeger

that's just a%360/90

Wasif

err no....

pxeger

how so

Wasif

but anyway thanks for the formula

pxeger

what do you mean by "which quarter of a circle" then?

Wasif

09:05

I used to draw the angles manually for determining them in my math class

@pxeger my English mathematical vocabulary is bad, and it is hard to explain in chat. assume a circle divide It in four equal parts, divider lines are it's diameters. Start to draw an angle clockwise from the center of the circle if it is positive otherwise anticlockwise. determine which quarter it ends. the circle thing is not necessary at all

I just used for ease of imagination

pxeger

I think we're getting at the same thing, but I don't understand why you said "err no"

StackMeter

10:03

CMQ: PS5 scalping; yes or no?

imo it's bad

Jesus, Mother Meta is a dark place

caird coinheringaahing

10:25

What's wrong with MM?

StackMeter

11:04

@cairdcoinheringaahing there's a lot of overheated discussions that my brain is not ready for

lyxal

I hereby forbid people to use my username in code golf questions and or answers...searching for Lyxal gives 69 search results (this is a joke of course you can still use it)

pxeger

brb, going to edit "lyxal" into one of my answers for no reason

StackMeter

lol

welcome to the land of post-69

lyxal

Caching really do be helping me out rn

StackMeter

why a cache

caches have issues with them

such as syncronization

for example

if you were to get 80% of the way on a big project

then I came

and it loaded your cache

what is to stop me from replacing that with some rude message

or this

lyxal

11:16

nope

Idk why you thought I'd be that susceptible

StackMeter

bcos you always have been

now, if you excuse me

I have an interpreter to finish

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal I'll just refer to you as "The Lyx-ler" then :P

StackMeter

@pxeger <whisper>do you think it worked</whisper>

do you know, I think most golfing langs are made from the creator furiously typing "how factorial" in chrome, and things like "how map list python"

the struggle is real

pxeger

11:50

@StackMeter I didn't actually do it

lyxal

@StackMeter still nope

There exists a list of 22 tips for rickrolling people I once wrote for @user

Ask them if they'll share it with you

caird coinheringaahing

12:46

@lyxal That list was for me, not user. Here you go @StackMeter

StackMeter

13:13

@cairdcoinheringaahing nice try

hyper-neutrino

requesting more feedback on this meta discussion, specifically in regards to this answer since the other answer is a good suggestion but was tried and didn't work in the long run

caird coinheringaahing

I regret not posting the "as a ticker feed" answer back when the discussion was more volatile in votes

hyper-neutrino

I see pretty much no downsides to it and it's easily reversible like you said if it does become disruptive somehow, so as long as it doesn't get any specific negative feedback I think it's fine to just add it, maybe once the other ROs have confirmed it.

pxeger

I think a ticker feed for a few more catalogue posts (quine, fizz-buzz?) would be a good idea too

showcase of languages?

Wezl

let's just do (ticker) feeds for all questions, and remove the ones that get annoying :)

caird coinheringaahing

13:28

I think that if we want and like a Hello World ticker, then we can consider expanding it to a couple more challenges that are used for new languages

@Wezl It'd probably be easier to just set up a chatbot to post every new post :P

Wezl

but more disruptive

hyper-neutrino

well the chatbot doesn't have to onebox them

pxeger

how do you disable oneboxing?

caird coinheringaahing

prefix the message with a zero width space

pxeger

ah ok.

hyper-neutrino

13:31

or just manually do [title](url)

caird coinheringaahing

codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/226361/…

Observe :P

pxeger

What about a ticker feed for all new posts? No different than having New Posts open in the background in another tab, and you don't have to switch pages

hyper-neutrino

right, but now we don't know what that post is without clicking :p

caird coinheringaahing

@pxeger Ticker feed dropdowns increase in size with new posts, they don't have a limit

You could leave TNB open overnight on an active evening and get a screen full of random answer links in the morning

pxeger

oh I thought the ticker would be more like the starboard, with old items rolling off the bottom

Wezl

13:34

which is fine IMO

caird coinheringaahing

@pxeger I don't think so (they're kinda hard to test tbh)

pxeger

lemme try it out. I'll use SO's new posts feed to test since it's fast updating

caird coinheringaahing

Try here

I've got a ticker feed on SO's new questions

StackMeter

ok

reading the Vyxal interpreter

@lyxal, surely you could write a cleaner code than to just use the first 100 factorials

pxeger

nope, it's about a million times quicker than calculating them

hyper-neutrino

13:44

^

it's not like it doesn't support the 101th factorial

it just caches a reasonable amount so it doesn't take forever

StackMeter

there's a built-in in the math library

caird coinheringaahing

That still takes ages for large inputs

rak1507

it'll still be slower than just caching it

StackMeter

every factorial takes ages for large inputs

caird coinheringaahing

And caching is a way to reduce that by as much as possible

hyper-neutrino

13:46

yeah so why not cache a reasonable amount?

StackMeter

ok

Wezl

@Wezl now I used it to get a rot13 tool

pxeger

@Wezl CyberChef is my goto for anything like that

(unless it's quick to write code to do it in my shell or in Python)

Wezl

right, I'm trying to use it in the shell, I don't want to wait for a webpage to load

rak1507

you can do a one liner with tr

Wezl

13:58

that's what I was looking for

pxeger

tr a-z n-za-m <<< rot13

user

14:55

@lyxal Here it is

hyper-neutrino

well lyxal already failed #7

user

@hyper-neutrino Did it work btw?

When you opened the document, did anything happen?

hyper-neutrino

nothing unusual; was I supposed to get rickrolled or smth?

user

Yeah, a popup should've appeared. Lemme try it again

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