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10:02 AM
BAD BOT.
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing at the end it mentions TIO properly with some more specialised resources for some other languages
 
@Ausername what is it
 
Gets primes to 100
In my new and very well spelt language.
 
I mean the new language
 
I made a compiler/interpreter.
Idk, I don't have a name yet.
 
10:16 AM
@Ausername where is i
 
Give me 5 minutes to make a website
Maybe 10
 
oh come on
first time I see a review task and it's 2k+
I need someone to give me enough rep to hit 2k
Ok
 
10:34 AM
Code has to be pasted
 
Aside from confirming that the criterion is code-golf, looks good!
(Just add This is [tag:code-golf], shortest wins! to the end)
 
ok
also I am gonna use the Jelly builtin as my answer
 
It would be more interesting if you banned builtins tho
Then it's actually code golf and not a bunch of 1-byters
 
@StackMeter when shaggy sees this he'll probably ask for a layman formula soo might wanna add a non-math explanation of how that comes up
so we're supposed to output all possible values of x
right
 
10:42 AM
all real values of x
if you choose not to support complex
@Razetime yeah I don't know
I know about the cubic
but not the quartic
 
i suppose constraining to reals makes sense
maybe mention that
 
@StackMeter it'll get closed as duplicate as a root finding question probably
 
which one
there's not been a quartic one before
and the quartic is a lot harder to do
 
idk
well not really
it'll be a builtin in a lot of langs
even if it doesn't use the formula
 
@rak1507 who has a builtin for that
 
10:50 AM
jelly
 
Ban builtins then
 
@StackMeter mathematica
 
ok
I will
 
@Ausername nah just make a community wiki with builtin answers
 
golfing a formula is generally boring anyway
 
10:51 AM
bubbler's ellipse problem was good
a problem with multiple formulas is good
 
@Razetime True
 
ngn
10
Q: Shortest Program to Solve a Quartic Equation

Ali CaglayanWrite the shortest program to solve a Quartic equation. A quartic equation is a polynomial equation of the form: ax⁴ +bx³+cx²+dx+e=0 A solution for x is a number such that the above evaluates to 0. Rules The program must take in the 5 floating point coefficients of the equation ax^4+bx^3+...

 
if you have any other formulae or approaches do mention it
 
never mind it's a dupe
and you can't solve a quintic
 
@ngn ah yes, an old exact dupe with builtins banned
 
10:59 AM
The words 'throw' and 'cool' will be extinct by 2030.
They will have been replaced by 'Yeet' and 'poggers'
And 'suspicious' will go too.
 
@Ausername replaced with "sus"
 
Duh.
 
11:38 AM
This is factually correct
 
@lyxal Btw this isn't working...
Bonus points if you can guess what it's for..
 
@Ausername tell me what the docs for øC say
 
base-255 num compress
 
Okay and now tell me what it takes (as in, the arguments)
 
Nvm I just realised I had put in string instead of number
 
11:44 AM
👏👏👏
My hints guided you there eventually
 
Thanks
 
@StackMeter Given that I told you about that builtin, that seems somewhat unfair
I agree with Razetime, in that you'd be better off including a Community Wiki answer containing all builtin-only answers
 
CW trivial answers is what I did for Are all the items the same
 
What is your new avatar @lyxal?
Derpy flower?
Kinda sus, not gonna lie...
 
11:55 AM
Disappointing you don't know who he is
 
Why the testcase [6, 9, 6, 9, 6] -> False
 
Going back to the original pfp, eh @lyxal? :P
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing I figured that much. Sus was just too much
 
I know nothing about code golf in 2020
or before
I joined this year ok
 
11:56 AM
That still doesn't excuse you for not knowing flowey
 
I'm sorry :(
 
@Ausername Because the elements aren't all the same, and Lyxal has to reference "funny number" in every question they post :P
 
Seriously.
 
@Ausername ever heard of undertale?
 
Yes
 
12:06 PM
So how haven't you heard of flowey?
 
Idk
Only heard of undertale, not played it
 
Ah
Flowey is one of the main characters (read: main antagonist)
 
Ok.
 
@lyxal I like this. Reminds me of good old days.
 
People keep talking about the past and I never know what they're on about.
 
12:19 PM
tbf unless you're CJY, there's always a "past" to this site that you don't know about :P
 
Why'
 
I don't know
 
12:40 PM
Bye
 
12:57 PM
@ngn Thanks :D The significance is that the BLC interpreter I'm planning to write will run 100x faster :)
 
@lyxal What is that?
 
@user Its Ray Z buying helicopters
 
Thanks, that explains everything.
 
ok
maybe I can make a general solve an equation question
 
That sounds really hard if it's general, but it could also be really interesting depending on the specifics
 
1:03 PM
I mean a linear, quadratic, cubic or quartic equation
@user define "specifics
 
idk, just whatever rules you make for it, whatever the challenge is about
 
the challenge is to solve an equation, where you may assume it is reducible to at most a combination of quartics or below
since quartics and under are solvable
 
What kind of equation is it? What operations does it involve? (is it just polynomials, are there logarithms, are there polynomials inside logarithms, etc.)
 
just polynomials
 
Oh ok. I don't know if the dupes cover that already
 
1:11 PM
o
no
the dupes are more specific
and this is a far wider range
 
Wzl
@hyper-neutrino schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/… there's the do construct that loops in a functional way (no mutation, instead you specify the variables, their initial values, next values, and stopping condition and return value)
 
Ah cool, okay
 
what's a Scheme
 
(also our class expected us to use tail recursion for stuff so. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)
 
1:21 PM
@Wzl blasphemy
 
1:33 PM
common lisp is fun
 
Wzl
? (I agree, what are you doing with it?)
 
chez or chicken
 
Wzl
I tried building chez but it was taking a huge amount of space, but chicken might be worse :/
(however you probably won't have to build it)
 
How much space does it take? I've been thinking of trying it out when I have time
 
Wzl
it's not actually that much, like 80 MB (including source), but I was still running out because of node (which I completely uninstalled)
 
1:45 PM
How much space do you have?
 
Wzl
"1.6 GB available"
 
How small is your HDD/SSD?!
 
Wzl
*doesn't understand hardware*
 
I'm on a chromebook and have significantly more space than that
 
CMP: Empty space on your main computer's main disk right now.
I've got 721 GB.
 
1:47 PM
rm -rf /boot /etc /home /usr to the rescue!
I now have 16 GB
(I actually have 3.7 GB available :p)
 
@RedwolfPrograms Nope. I closed that loophole with "right now".
 
Wzl
@Adám what's the scoring criterion :?
 
It's a poll, not a challenge :P
 
@Wzl Oh nice
 
Wzl
I still suggest tinyscheme :P
 
1:49 PM
@Adám 13.4GB
 
How is your hard drive that small?
@Adám 260 GB
 
Yeah, unless you're secretly a chromebook user
I bet Wzl is a huge chromebook fan but won't admit it
Everyone secretly is
But Wzl especially
 
@Adám lol my entire C: has 476 GB
 
Wzl
@RedwolfPrograms ;D
 
That's the chrome OS file manager!!!
 
1:51 PM
@RedwolfPrograms Yeah, no. I had to take the AP CS A on Tuesday on a chromebook, and I remembered how much I hate those things
 
Wzl
@RedwolfPrograms but no
 
@user School chromebooks are objectively bad
 
40.2 GB but I also have a linux partition and idk about that
 
@RedwolfPrograms I suppose you can get a better chromebook with a bigger screen and a better keyboard, but it's still a Chromebook.
 
My first computer had 0 B.
 
1:53 PM
@user What were the problems you had with it?
 
?
 
Wzl
@Adám "zero billion gigabytes" :P
 
@Adám / 149G /home 393G
 
@RedwolfPrograms Mostly hardware-related, since I just used the AP app. The keyboard's too small, doesn't have Home, End, Delete, or CapsLock keys, and the screen was really, really tiny
 
Caps lock is Alt + Search
 
1:54 PM
But you can't use a ton of desktop applications on a Chromebook either iirc
@RedwolfPrograms Oh wow I'm dumb
 
Don't tell me you actually use caps lock though
I have it rebound to Escape
 
Uh no of course not
 
… it only had two 5¼ inch floppy drives. No hard disk.
 
My finger just happens to magically hover to the Search button
 
Wzl
@user *shrugs in I like this keyboard layout*
 
1:55 PM
@Adám What kind of computer was this? I assume it was from a long time ago?
 
caps lock is a very important key for coding in SQL, the best language in existence
 
@user It's not super "discoverable", but I kind of like it. I always end up hitting caps lock by mistake :p
You can also rebind it to caps if you want
 
Should've done that before, then
 
I like the keyboard buttons for back/forward/reload, I use those a ton. Probably one of the things I miss most when I'm on other laptops
 
@hyper-neutrino ngl whenever I use sql (i.e. SEDE), I just don't capitalise :P
 
1:59 PM
same
 
Those are nice, although Alt+Left arrow/Right arrow usually work for me
 
Lowercase SQL is so much nicer
It's still awful and deserves to be burned alive though
 
Wzl
@pxeger (me too) I have a friend who also maps holding caps-lock to super, which makes everything so much easier
 
I'm not really sure why you'd use caps lock tbh
 
select * from users is calming enough to let me forget I'm using SQL. SELECT * FROM users just causes instant death
 
2:00 PM
@RedwolfPrograms sql is perfectly fine until join
 
@user Something ancient with CGA screen. I am from a long time ago…
 
^
i still have no clue how the hell that works
 
As long as I'm only working with one table, I'm happy
 
@RedwolfPrograms I can't tell you why, but I assure you I have perfectly reasonable reasons
 
2:01 PM
@hyper-neutrino It's Jelly's j atom, but with tables. Joins each column of the left argument with the table on the right
 
I don't use the search key that much either, but it is in theory more useful :p
 
left join swaps the args, inner join wraps the right table before joining and right join is the correct way to do it
 
isn't there like inner join and outer join and upside down join and inverted clockwise rotated join or smth
 
@Adám Ah, a Comprehensive Geriatric Assessment screen? :P
 
Wzl
s#\? :P#:?#g
 
2:02 PM
@user You're going to get a small keyboard and small screen on a small device :p
 
Holy crap, this answer from WW is incredible
5
 
I guess an SQL expert would probably think of join as intuitive, though. I feel like it's just a matter of experience with using it
 
I think they make bigger chromebooks, but the 11.6" ones are most common since they're more portable and lightweight (half the reason you use a chromebook)
 
Guess so. Doesn't keep it from hurting my eyes and fingers, though :(
 
What size are you used to?
I've tried 15" but it's way to big IMO
 
2:05 PM
I think mine's 14"
I used to have a 15" screen, and that was really nice
 
I actually don't like bigger screens honestly. The pixels are more visible :p
I've got a 13" laptop, although it's actually the same size as my chromebook. Feels bigger though since the screen border is so much smaller.
 
Really? The pixels are more visible on my old laptop, but I figured that was mostly because it's old
 
Wzl
there's something really aesthetically pleasing about having two side-by-side 80-column terminals, filled with text, in a compact font*, with zero wasted space
 
Btw, congratulations on your answer, @WheatWizard!
 
It's got the pg up/pg down/delete/insert/home/end, but they're super annyoing since they tried to fit them in on the right so you hit page down instead of enter half the time
 
2:07 PM
@cairdcoinheringaahing I was wondering how I got 4 upvotes in 3 minutes.
 
Wzl
@Wzl *completely necessary advertisement :P (disclaimer: it's illegible)
 
@WheatWizard Well, it's definitely deserving of them :P
 
@Adám are you a subscriber of /r/ProgrammingLanguages too?
 
Thanks. Usually I work on something for 3 days, and only like 10 people end up seeing it. :P
 
tinylisp best
 
2:08 PM
@Razetime Using which metric(s)?
 
all of them
 
...
 
@pxeger No, should I be?
 
This is CGCC, so tinylisp has to be better than other lisps
It's more golfed
 
Oh wait, DLosc's language?
 
2:09 PM
@Adám no, but I saw that article posted there yesterday, and now it suddenly appears in TNB. So just a coincidence?
 
Yeah, that does seem to be pretty good for golfing, although whether or not it's the best language is debatable
 
Wzl
I'm gonna start golfing in r5rs scheme and counting my token count instead of byte count. IMO it's much more interesting than normal code-golf
 
@WheatWizard yep, the unfortunate nature of FGITW and how the HNQ algorithm works around our site :( I'll add this to the subsection of the blog post... speaking of that......
 
Blog soon?
 
well I haven't written anything
but at least I have an answer to add to the subsection for bringing attention to answers :P
 
2:11 PM
Decide what to write for blog soon?
 
@Wzl may I ask why you have such an atypical habitual set of programming languages? I don't know anyone who uses so many obscure languages so much
 
Wzl lives outside the box
 
Wzl
@pxeger nice question :D It's my hobby, and since that doesn't answer the question, all the normal languages suck
 
Whoa there
 
Wzl
2:14 PM
for inspiration for the languages I'm making, too
 
Actually, lemme make it a CMQ: Which languages are y'all making?
 
Mine's a secret, will release it in a few days :p
I've got a few more secret languages planned
 
Ash? Looking forward to spamming challenges with it
 
@user As in new languages or released ones that we're still developing?
 
@user nothing right now; yuno is not being developed but I might resume it eventually
 
2:15 PM
@cairdcoinheringaahing Both
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing No, not Ash :/
 
@RedwolfPrograms Wrong user
 
caird isn't even a user. I'm the only user here
 
Duh, how was I so stupid? :p
 
2:16 PM
@user mine's also a secret... but I'll give you a clue: it's called Kolm
 
@pxeger Any relation to Ponik? :P
 
panik? no, kolm.
 
@user Working on Add++ v6 and Whispers v4. "Developing" Poincon, Levant, Peanut Butter and Jam
Actually, I should change the name of Levant :/
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing to what? Occident?
 
2:17 PM
@Wzl Love the plan for Nib :P
 
@pxeger Not sure, but not that :P
 
Wzl
@user prove me wrong :P (it will fill the transcript but still)
 
@Wzl Burden of proof's on you, you said they sucked :P
:P
 
@user dammit! You ruined the chain of :P
 
There we go :P
 
2:19 PM
> [ ] ...
 
Wzl
@user okay, they suck because they're all bad :P
 
That step is 99% of developing a language :P
 
Wzl
very true :P
 
@user I'm working on Verity, a practical-ish language based on Scala and Java, and StackExchange, which is a stupid language with a stupider name :P
 
Wzl
@Wzl it probably includes completely rewriting everything, and stuff... :P
 
2:20 PM
@Wzl You've convinced me with your flawless arguments :P (but seriously, why do you think so?)
@cairdcoinheringaahing You've broken the :P chain btw :P
 
@user Quotes are exempt :P
 
Wzl
@user definitely depends on the language, some languages only for relatively minor irritants (scheme for example is extensible enough that this can be taken care of within the language) >:P
 
Good to know :P
 
neovim's paragraph text objects are awesome! yip yap dip cap (and only because they make funny words)
 
@Wzl Mmm, can you tell me what you think of, say, Haskell?
 
Wzl
2:24 PM
@user nice and pure, horrible syntax, types are nice but restrictive. C.
 
@Wzl I've never heard anyone describe Haskell's types as restrictive...
 
Horrible syntax is very subjective. I agree types are a bit restrictive, but that doesn't mean it sucks
 
Wzl
okay but the syntax is subjectively bad, not subjectively good, which makes all the difference :P
 
Besides, the fact that they're restrictive helps type inference a lot. afaik you can't use Hindley-Milner when you have subtyping and stuff
@Wzl :P
But suppose Haskell didn't allow significant indentation at all and had some syntax that satisfied you, would you still say it sucked?
 
Wzl
@user any problems, even if minor, are bad if it can't be sufficiently extended
@user of course, but partly only so I could make more convenient generalizations :)
 
2:27 PM
@Wzl Changing your design to get around the problem is better than having a highly extensible language imo
 
@Wzl Any sufficiently advanced problematic languages are indistinguishable from Javascript
3
 
The fact that Lisps are so extensible is amazing, but it also means that you kinda have to learn a whole new language each time you bring in new macros and stuff
 
Wzl
@user but you can make that language very intuitive. If you're going to add a macro that makes it any more difficult, don't
 
Even if it's intuitive, it makes compiling and IDE suggestions slower (and yes, imo, those are very important for a language used for real-world stuff)
 
Wzl
touché
 
2:31 PM
Like, using Typed Racket, it took me 3 seconds after hitting save to get error messages. That was annoying, despite the beauty of Racket's macros
@Wzl lol I didn't think you'd agree with me on that
 
Wzl
I don't use suggestions or IDEs so I'm just admitting that you're probably correct
 
:/
 
The optimal solution IMO is to have macros be a separate language layer with significant limitations, and ideally not even Turing-complete. Like C's but a little more advanced and less 1970s.
 
Wzl
I definitely disagree with that
 
I'm heavily reliant on them unfortunately. I can't program in editors like Notepad at all and had to make a plugin to highlight errors for me
 
2:35 PM
It's the Java
Rots your brain
 
@user learn vim!!
 
@pxeger I think macros should be Turing complete, but yeah, they shouldn't be allowed to make huge changes (or at least, that should be heavily discouraged)
@pxeger I tried, and even installed a language server for Scala, but it was too hard :(
 
Wzl
@pxeger vtc as unclear (I'm not sure how that's relevant)
 
@RedwolfPrograms You joke, but it really is because of IntelliJ's awesome support for Java that I'm spoiled. It was really disappointing when it turned out IntelliJ doesn't get YAML and Scala that well :(
 
Wzl
@Wzl or did you mean the cleaning product :?
 
2:38 PM
@user IntelliJ is really good for Python too, but since I learnt vim I've been just as productive even without any autocomplete, and I don't have to deal with a 2GB-RAM bug-fest
 
The memory usage is definitely a problem, but for me, it's more the linting and refactor hints that IJ provides
 
@Adám <8GB
 
@pxeger What about Vim makes you productive? Are there good plugins for Python or is it just the commands?
 
@user the commands, and the fact it's so much more lightweight and runs in my terminal, which is where I do basically everthing else already
 
@Adám [in Yorkshire accent] Two drives? Luxury ;-)
more realistically, I just used to boot from LAN
 
2:42 PM
has there been any challenges that try to produce the most output in the fewest bytes
 
@Neil back in my day we walked uphill both ways through 30°C hailstorms, and we didn't have ' cheek to complain
 
I dislike vim. Used to use it when I was SSHing and didn't have a GUI, but I just copy the file to my own laptop and use atom now
 
@pxeger Ah, thanks
 
30°C? You mean pleasantly cool?
 
2:43 PM
@RedwolfPrograms I'd recommend VS Code over Atom - it's a bit faster
 
Faster at what?
 
@RedwolfPrograms I don't understand Atom users TBH. It's basically objectively worse than VS code in every way
 
@RedwolfPrograms idk, just faster to load and respond
 
It's fast enough for me, I don't notice any slowness on my good laptop.
 
@pxeger I've heard it's more extensible, but since Microsoft took over, a lot of the contributors moved away
 
2:44 PM
Atom's just what I found first, I'm sure VS code is just as good.
 
@user Microsoft never took over?? VS code was always their product oh you mean MS bought GitHub and therefore Atom
 
They're both pretty similar
@pxeger Yeah, not much incentive for them to maintain it now
In other news, Sublime Text 4 is out
 
@user a little depressing TBH (that's the commit frequency to Atom)
 
Always sad when an open-source project starts dying :(
 
Honestly I don't think there's that much more that needs to be committed, right? There's only so many features you can add to a text editor.
 
2:53 PM
mfw I migrate a post to SO and see the OP has an account on SO... with 24 posts...
 
"It says stack in the url so I must be in the right place!"
 
@hyper-neutrino and 100 rep ಠ_ಠ
 
this is their second question here, both after having already posted on SO, both being closed as belonging to SO ಠ_ಠ but the last one wasn't migrated
 
Was it a troll?
 
if I delete the source of a migrated post it should stay on the new site right?
@user no they're both legit questions
and they have contributions to SO
which is... more confusing. but no, they are not a troll, they are a legit user
 
2:56 PM
@hyper-neutrino Leave it
Roomba will catch it in a couple of days, and we know that's mostly error-free
 
Haha NMP slow
 
@NewMainPosts will you shut up, man?
 
Well that's...one way to say it lol
I love how the three responses were to make fun of it, be rude to it, and move it to trash
 
We love our Feeds here :P
 
2:59 PM
well if it weren't moved out I could've 4. deleted it 5. converted it to a butter-related message
 
One thing that'd be cool but maybe not a good idea is if my NP/SP bots could detect when active conversation is going on and delay posting less important stuff
 
@hyper-neutrino 5 would've been butter
 
Wzl
feedback please (considering posting soon)
 
no, it would've been butter, smh
 
Like main posts would be immediately posted, but maybe meta ones could be delayed
 
2:59 PM
@cairdcoinheringaahing @hyper-neutrino edit this to be butter related :P
 

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