The Nineteenth Byte

Wheat Wizard

12:34 AM

Not saying this as a moderator, but could we not post sand eject edits? It just spreads that shit around.

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caird coinheringaahing

@WheatWizard Is sand eject another name for rock yeet?

Wheat Wizard

Yeah.

caird coinheringaahing

Then I second WW. We don't need that crap here

hyper-neutrino

what is sand eject and/or rock yeet, is it just among us or am I missing something and just stupid

lyxal

is it just stonetoss?

if so, why not just say stonetoss?

Wheat Wizard

12:43 AM

I generally avoid using the actual name, since it's a nazi comic. Harder to get publicity when people don't use consistent naming.

hyper-neutrino

Ah, so it is something else. Well, I don't know what it is, so that's good I support. Yeah then I second (third) WW.

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino "sand eject edits" here means amogus edits

Wheat Wizard

Uh no, it meant specifically stonetoss edits. I don't care about the amoungus meme, go ahead as much as you want.

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, stone toss is a Neo Nazi comic maker. Using names like rock yeet, pebble throw, sand eject etc. "dilute" his influence and make it harder for him and his vile content to get attention, while still referring to him. I think it best we drop this subject and try to stay away from using edits involving his "characters" in memes in the future

hyper-neutrino

Didn't even realize, because of how many of these similar silly among us edits I've seen on YT and I didn't know where it came from, but I'll know for the future. In that case, yeah I second ^

Wzl

12:49 AM

I ^ this message more specifically. (is caret a verb?)

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing Even names like r∘⊂k y∊∊t are still pretty commonly used and easily associated with him

Probably best to avoid those too imo

caird coinheringaahing

How about "That Neo Nazi piece of shit"? I think that appropriately covers how I feel about him (and his ilk), and it's generic enough to avoid referring to him specifically :P

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This whole conversation is very sus

caird coinheringaahing

Anyway, I both 1) need to sleep, I've got a "road trip" tomorrow morning and 2) need to stop talking about neonazis, so \o y'all and I suggest y'all do the same :)

hyper-neutrino

o/ (anyway, should we toss this in the trash or leave it so other people log reading know to avoid it too in the future?)

A username

12:54 AM

It's midday for me.

Wzl

I need to sleep too o/

OldSandboxPosts

Sandbox posts last active a week ago: Generate simultaneous equations [code-golf] [random] [math], An approximation for factorials of reals

A username

What's 'outside of the box''s timezone?

hyper-neutrino

who now

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino Wow you really are slow. Wzl

Check the transcript

hyper-neutrino

1:04 AM

is this a recurring joke or was it just that one message

A username

@lyxal Your chat user descriptions always make me smile. (I still have ding-ding-ding-ding amogus from the lyxal army...)

hyper-neutrino

oh (assuming that's a reference to through the fire and flames) that song is poggers

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino correct

Streamers make playing ttfaf look like an achievable goal yet I don't think I'll ever be able to play anything harder than easy lol

hyper-neutrino

on what instrument / in what game / ?

lyxal

Clone hero

Or guitar hero

Using laptop keyboard

Because I don't have an actual guitar controller

I tried using a usb keyboard to play clone hero last night but it was a bad idea

hyper-neutrino

1:11 AM

ah. never played that before :p

why what went wrong with it

lyxal

The fact that I am terrible at the game went wrong

hyper-neutrino

lol

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino clone hero is guitar hero but you can easily add custom made charts

hyper-neutrino

oh I thought it was like a noticeably different game. :p

lyxal

@Ausername you'll like this week's lyxzfeed™ post then

(you can find it on my main profile)

@hyper-neutrino nah, the mechanics are pretty much the same

I've never played guitar hero, only clone hero so I wouldn't know the difference

hyper-neutrino

1:15 AM

never played either, but osu!mania/quaver look similar (not sure if they are even close in gameplay tho)

lyxal

Osu looks like it starts easy but gets stupidly hard

Is that a fair assessment?

hyper-neutrino

pretty much. the base mechanics are pretty simple but the things you can do with them get really difficult

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@lyxal Ummm......

lyxal

@Ausername So what are your opinions on toaster validity?

A username

As long as all of them work, they're all valid.

lyxal

1:29 AM

Reasonable.

lyxal

1:57 AM

Quick download youtu.be/_OBlgSz8sSM while you still can

It's being removed tomorrow apparently

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Why is that a thing

lyxal

It's an internet classic

A username

Why tho
\

lyxal

Don't question why people like to see Charlie biting a finger

You have a lot to learn about internet culture

A username

I do

@lyxal Does Vyxal have a 'split into pieces of length n' builtin?

lyxal

2:16 AM

Yes

A username

Which is...

lyxal

github.com/Lyxal/Vyxal/blob/master/docs/elements.txt#L267

A username

Oh ok.

PUT 1 IN DAT i
REPEATERER 100
PUT i IN DAT f
MODULO f BY 15
IF DAT f IS TWOOFY DEN
PUT i IN DAT j
MODULO j BY 5
IF DAT j IS TWOOFY DEN
PUT i IN DAT k
MODULO k BY 3
IF DAT k IS TWOOFY DEN
PRINT DAT THINGY i
ODDERWISE
PRINT DAT THINGY "Fizz"
END DAT CONDITIONAL
ODDERWISE
PRINT DAT THINGY "Buzz"
END DAT CONDITIONAL
ODDERWISE
PRINT DAT THINGY "FizzBuzz"
END DAT CONDITIONAL
ADD ONE TO DAT i
STOP DAT REPEATERER

It's kinda obvious what this mess is.

paste here

lyxal

Does modulo var by number store the result?

Redwolf Programs

Looks like dollar store LOLCODE

A username

2:20 AM

@lyxal Yup. It's a bad variable-based language.

Uh oh

lyxal

Imagine only having visited for 17 consecutive days

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On meta

lyxal

Mines still more than you

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I'm new, and I had to go away for a week.

Also, how much rep have you gotten this year?

Redwolf Programs

@hyper-neutrino Same here, just thought that was some sort of drawing style specific to amogus. Knowing the source kind of ruins the meme now

lyxal

2:25 AM

Can't one enjoy amogus without thinking about the context?

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s/among us/amongst we

lyxal

Amogus is so far removed from bad person imo that it's become its own meme. I don't see amogus and think bad person, I see amogus and think sus

Redwolf Programs

The problem is, it causes people to notice that drawing style, and perhaps even subconsciously associate it with "funny" or "good"

For example, I had no idea cobblestone dispense even existed until caird mentioned that was the source of the character when I posted the amo gauss thing

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There is 1 imposter among us...

lyxal

Things I wish I'd known before wasting effort

Redwolf Programs

2:31 AM

:/

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:\
:/
:(

:{
:}

:[
:]
:-
:+

Redwolf Programs

:} is quite demonic

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Yes, it's coming for you in your sleep....\

lyxal

⌍P

^ matches my pfp

Redwolf Programs

Hey wait, that was your pfp a long time ago right?

A username

2:33 AM

Yes

it was

lyxal

Correct

Redwolf Programs

I'm so used to the frick one lol

A username

they changed yesterday while you were sleeping Redwlf

Redwolf Programs

wlf?

lyxal

⌏P

That's more accurate

A username

2:35 AM

@RedwolfPrograms Sorry, that must be a bug with the system fonts thing. this userscript should fix it.

Redwolf Programs

Ah yes, I already have had that one for quite some time

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(Did you click on it)

Redwolf Programs

(No)

Being Lyxal has prepared me well

A username

I have hyper's anti-rickroll script

So don't even try

lyxal

Imagine needing a userscript to avoid rickrolls

A username

2:40 AM

You're too good at this.

lyxal

Correct

A username

You've said that a lot

hyper-neutrino

i have a new anti-rickroll so. ezclap

also hovering isn't that hard, y'all have given me sufficient practice

@RedwolfPrograms I agree. Now that I know the context I can't see it and enjoy it anymore, and I don't see ignorance as better since now I know to not spread the meme and increase its presence. But yeah, the fact that it's sourced from something so abhorrent is very sad.

lyxal

@Ausername wrongn't

@hyper-neutrino move the post to trash

A username

@lyxal You haven't said that a lot

hyper-neutrino

2:48 AM

→ 1 message moved to Trashcan

lyxal

@Ausername word I've said 37 times

hyper-neutrino

@Ausername i don't think search likes punctuation

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino search doesn't like anything at all

hyper-neutrino

true

A username

@hyper-neutrino What happened to the nineteenth bakery?

Move some sticks of butter!!!

hyper-neutrino

2:50 AM

@Ausername well if the point is to not have it be seen, and moving something probably draws attention to it, the logical solution is to trash it somewhere others can't go to

A username

:(

But butter....

hyper-neutrino

besides, the joke was (probably) funny the first time; I see no point in repeating it

A username

What about 'cups of flour' or something?

hyper-neutrino

that's pretty much the same thing though; listing another ingredient isn't a new joke, it's just the same thing with an uncreative twist

besides, the butter joke has some actual context and the Bakery was named that way due to that joke anyway

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Vyxal jr

Has sr ever been used?

lyxal

3:13 AM

I don't know

Probably

A username

Not

lyxal

This sounds really bad but I can't remember what half the built-ins do in Vyxal

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codegolf.stackexchange.com/search?q=code%3A%22sr%22+vyxal

Redwolf Programs

:o

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So j joins by newlines and r reverses instruction order.

Redwolf Programs

3:13 AM

I just realized something

A username

What

Redwolf Programs

I did the math in my head and figured out why the conic section things are what they are

A username

Integrals are a pain.

Redwolf Programs

No integrals

I just thought of an equation that would be a 3d graph of a cone, and then I realized if you try intersecting planes with various properties you get the circle, parabola, ellipse, hyperbola, etc. formulas

I knew roughly that's why they were called conic sections but I never actually tried to do the math myself

lyxal

Imagine being able to visualise 3d objects mentally

Redwolf Programs

3:16 AM

Wait, that's a thing?

Not being able to do that?

lyxal

I know I can't

As in shapes and geometry

That stuff has never been a strong point for me

hyper-neutrino

geometric visualization has never really been that great for me. honestly i have an easier time "imagining" more abstract concepts though I can hardly call that visualizing though

but yeah learning / figuring out why conic sections were called that was very cool and it was also weird to see that three quite common and useful geometric things could all be found in one cone (well technically two)

Redwolf Programs

Lamps are cool because they basically make conic sections on your wall

That's a great way to visualize them, and 100% makes me want to be a math teacher

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms lamps aren't cool when the lightbulb inside gets too hot

hyper-neutrino

oh yeah true, i have noticed that in the past :P

lyxal

3:21 AM

@hyper-neutrino same

lyxal

3:34 AM

Also, the GEORGE is a noble animal

A username

What about the lyxal?

lyxal

G E O R G E

A username

Ok.

lyxal

@StackMeter relevant discord invite

hyper-neutrino

hmm, right after Redwolf brought up conic sections, I get recommended a YT video of michael (from vsauce) talking about hyperboloids

lyxal

3:45 AM

esolangs discord and esoserver btw

A username

(hyper)

Redwolf Programs

Hyperboloids seem like they'd be conic sections' weird cousin that you always find in the corner with a raisin in their nose

hyper-neutrino

lol

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms I thought hyper-boloids were a cousin of hyper-neutrino

A username

Well duh

New Main Posts

3:54 AM

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Q: Predict the final result

The task is to find the final value of the variable 'result' in the below program. The code is written in a pseudo programming language, where the following rules apply • String indexes starts from zero • Strings does not need to be terminated with null character • Dot(.) operator is used for str...

A username

Another Vyxal jr

Redwolf Programs

A few days ago we'd been discussing how NP/SP would be disruptive since they'd often be in the room, right?

What if I just had them leave instantly after posting something?

So you'd just see NP pop in, post something, then disappear again?

hyper-neutrino

i thought the disruptiveness came from them joining and leaving often

Redwolf Programs

I thought it was from it being in the list all the time

The animation thing isn't that disruptive, right?

A username

Not really. If it's sitting there doing nothing, that's fine.

In Pokémon, there used to be cards with a ♦ after them, called 'Prism-stars'. So when I first saw a moderator on here, I thought...

Redwolf Programs

4:17 AM

New Meta Posts won't post my proposal for forty more minutes, so:

Should we replace The Nineteenth Byte's feeds?

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hyper-neutrino

@RedwolfPrograms ironic

New Meta Posts

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Q: Should we replace The Nineteenth Byte's feeds?

The Nineteenth Byte, our main chat room, has some feeds. These post new challenges, meta questions, sandboxes posts, and some other assorted things. Unfortunately, they're kinda slow. New Main Posts and New Sandboxed Posts often take between ten and twenty minutes, and New Meta Posts can take up ...

discussion chat

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A username

@RedwolfPrograms WRONG

Redwolf Programs

@NewMetaPosts Traitor

A username

It's bringing its own death message/

hyper-neutrino

4:29 AM

mozart composing the requiem:

A username

?

I do not understand your reference.

hyper-neutrino

mozart passed away before he could finish his requiem

A username

Ok.

Razetime

@cairdcoinheringaahing sure I'll try porting

I was thinking of taking powerset first and removing the powersets where the sum is present in the array

probably longer than a single filter

@cairdcoinheringaahing a direct port is 10: Try it online!

@DLosc oh alright. I was wondering if it was some sort of math builtin

A username

5:09 AM

My first answer

hyper-neutrino

5:48 AM

wait how do you suggest an edit to your own post

that's possible?

Razetime

6:04 AM

@hyper-neutrino gamer powers

A username

7:03 AM

I invented a new word: plagiarism!

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ngn

lol

lyxal

Y'all ever subconsciously commited vehicular manslaughter by accident?

Because I, uh, might have

No real people were hurt obviously

Can't say the same for that poor dream person

ngn

7:28 AM

@lyxal what if you're actually that driver and this chat is the dream?

like zhuang zhou

Anush

7:49 AM

CMC given a positive integer x, output a prime p > x such that p = kx+ 1 or p =kx-1 for some integer k.

caird coinheringaahing

8:07 AM

@hyper-neutrino One of the bigger problems I see a lot with those comics is that a lot of people like to do "edits" to make the comics actually funny (and most of these edits include something along the lines of "pebble yeet is a Nazi" somewhere). Unfortunately, that can sometimes make the format into a popular meme format (I can think of a couple of formats that are comics from him), and a lot of people don't realise the origin

That can often lead to people using these comics as "hey look, meme", without actually editing anything. Posting them in places like 4chan or r/teenagers, where it's crazy easy to find incels, or those susceptible to that line of thinking, and suddenly, you've just given him a whole bunch of exposure, because someone decided to turn it into a good meme

okie

8:22 AM

After 5 day break(our school just get stopped, still at home now), I am back at code golf

Razetime

welcome back

okie

thx

I gonna look for new question now lol

btw, just notice that my rep are 911, huh

Razetime

oh no

well, go ahead and answer some stuff

get to 1069

@cairdcoinheringaahing amogus has really worsened this phenomenon

okie

Still interested in how people found this site to ask programming problem instead of finding SO first, that's so weird, there isn't any codegolf problem on SO, alothough with the same logic, reverse should happen too

A username

8:42 AM

Hi

CMC: Help me remember what this CMC was meant to be.

okie

huh

about number?

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Maybe. Just say random stuff and we can see if I remember.

okie

geometry?

A username

No

okie

derivative?

string manipulation?

A username

8:48 AM

I don't think so

okie

So it's something about number huh

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@okie Well that just reminded me of an idea I had for a full challenge

okie

@Ausername nice :)

A username

You know the meme This muffin is looking awfully like a hamster. I think someone baked a hamster into my muffin.?

okie

I just searched it

A username

8:51 AM

Oh well. Anyway, I was thinking of doing that but you get a list of nouns and choose two at random.

okie

lol

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Anyway, right now I'm trying to make a quine in Vyxal, which is harder than it sounds.

okie

gl hf :)

@Ausername Numerical theory?

A username

I give up, I've completely forgotten.

A username

9:10 AM

Vyxal quine!

okie

Nice!

A username

Thanks! It took a while...

The way it works is that the giant number at the front encodes the rest of the program, then gets prepended once the rest is decoded.

Razetime

vyxal quine is harder than i thought since codepage chars are interpreted as dictionary words

caird coinheringaahing

Does the "standard" "push string, add quotes, run string" approach not work (example)?

A username

Yes. This works around that by using a lot of backslashes and no compression.

Razetime

9:16 AM

@cairdcoinheringaahing codepage chars are interpreted as dictionary words

so the usual stack based language approach doesn't work too well unless pure ascii

A username

It uses the base-14 key 0123456789+:\`τ.

The big number at the start is the rest of the program compressed from base14 by that, then that gets appended once decompressed.

Aaron Miller came up with a 14-byte one, but it used the D flag to avoid dictionary compression.

Razetime

ah no wonder

A username

Are you kidding me

Razetime

told ya ascii only was the way to go

A username

It took the better part of an hour for me to make this, so I'm posting it anyway.

Razetime

9:22 AM

sure go ahead

wastl's Stax quine is one of the most ingenious things I've seen

it's a packed quine

A username

here

@Razetime Where?

Razetime

@Ausername this

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That is ingenious.

StackMeter

10:27 AM

woke up at like, 10 today

pxeger

what on earth is with the ads on the Vyxal website?

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'johnvertising'

Idk

StackMeter

lol

StackMeter

10:42 AM

also

the interpreter for AA is being written

Ok

are you excited

worried...

why

The title is literally 'Anti-Alpha - where stupid begins'.

StackMeter

10:51 AM

ok

but it's still coming out soon

whether you like it or not

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It can't be worse than my PUT 5 IN DAT x language...

StackMeter

yes

that's pretty hard to top

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Not as bad as Malbolge, but still pretty terrible.

StackMeter

what's a Malbolge

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A language designed to be impossible to program in

Anush

11:00 AM

Hmm..was my CMC too easy or too hard?

StackMeter

what was your CMC

Anush

CMC given a positive integer x, output a prime p > x such that p = kx+ 1 or p =kx-1 for some integer k.

StackMeter

I'm not sure that's possible for all x

Anush

Oh is that known?

A username

It seems like it should be possible...

pxeger

11:04 AM

It wouldn't work for x=1 obviously

Anush

If we have code we can at least test it for as many x's as possible

pxeger

That doesn't constitute a proof though

Anush

@pxeger x>1 :)

@pxeger that is true but it would still be interesting

A username

k has to be even for x>2...

Anush

Yes

First person to confirm the result up to a million wins :)

Razetime

11:14 AM

@Ausername mind you, there are 2(or 3?) malbolge golfers in this site

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I said designed to be, not is.

pxeger

require 'prime'

2.step do |x|
  puts x
  found = false
  1.upto(x) do |k|
    if (x * k - 1).prime? || (x * k + 1).prime? then
      found = true
      break
    end
  end
  if !found then
    puts "========"
    puts x
    puts "========"
    break
  end
end

@Anush ^^ I have confirmed it upto 1 million

A username

Because primes, it's likely impossible to prove universally.

pxeger

@Ausername I doubt that it's not provable

A username

It seems likely, but...

Neil

11:25 AM

@Ausername so you are aiming to visit for 420 days, 69 consecutive?

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@Neil That's gonna take a while, besides, I want to pick up a Fanatic at some point...

Speaking of which, don't look at my rep.

lyxal

@pxeger just to be clear I make absolutely nothing from the "ads"

It's basically one big in joke

A username

Did you have a look in Vyxal?

pxeger

@lyxal regardless, they have been added to my ad blocker

A username

I think it's a bug

lyxal

11:28 AM

@Ausername you are correct. However it'll be a bit before I can fix it

StackMeter

@Ausername I'm on 27 consecutive days

lyxal

@pxeger why? They don't actually store data or anything. They're from the esolangs discord

A username

Ok, that's fine. I don't think the relevant answer could be golfed any more with the register working.

@StackMeter I had 30 at one point, but had to leave, and now I'm on 24.

pxeger

@lyxal they detract from the content I wish to see

A username

Just don't scroll down.

lyxal

11:29 AM

@pxeger understandable

pxeger

@lyxal I have also banished G E O R G E to the depths of Blocked

lyxal

@Ausername yeah I specifically put a whole bunch of whitespace so that seeing the "ad" was a somewhat intentional choice

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@pxeger No....

But the GEORGE is a noble animal...

lyxal

@pxeger george.gh0.pw

pxeger

~~(or is he?)~~

He could operate the city of Davenport, Iowa for all I care. He still isn't the Vyxal interpreter

lyxal

11:33 AM

I had to apply to be a part of GEORGE y'know

A username

He does.

@lyxal You mean asked razetime nicely?

lyxal

My EnGEORGEment was considered by the GEORGE council

@Ausername razetime isn't in charge

A username

Oh.

lyxal

A username

Ok

Bye

StackMeter

11:37 AM

@Ausername ok

caird coinheringaahing

@pxeger k = 2, p =3?

pxeger

@cairdcoinheringaahing uh, but um err

Anush

11:56 AM

@pxeger that's great. How does that code take to run and what language is it in?

How long

pxeger

@Anush Ruby 3.0, and it took about 3 seconds to get to a million

Anush

@pxeger that is pretty cool

so primality testing is built in in ruby?

pxeger

@Anush the prime module, which is built-in, adds it, although you have to require it

Anush

got you. I don't think python has that.

Anush

12:13 PM

in fact.. given any n >= 1, there exists k such that kn+1 is a prime.

pxeger

12:37 PM

CMQ: I'm working on a language that doesn't use whole numbers of bytes. Am I allowed to submit fractional scores, or do I have to round up?

Bubbler

12:48 PM

@pxeger Round up, since a file is stored in the unit of bytes. Another consequence is that you'll need to find out how your interpreter would detect at which bit the code ends.

pxeger

@Bubbler my plan is to have a command-line argument to say "remove [0,8) padding bits"; is that ok?

Bubbler

That makes sense I guess

I was thinking of BLC, which is strictly in prefix notation, so the code simply ends where the parsing ends

pxeger

@Bubbler I don't think it would be possible for my language to detect that in-band without adding a whole extra byte

New Main Posts

1:04 PM

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Q: Recreate the Stack Overflow logo

In response to here Unlike the previous one, this focuses on code-golf and a new logo, no longer consisting of 6 sticks and the graying-effect as the position of the sticks go deeper. Make the Stack Overflow logo using the following criteria The tray: Make a gray tray shaped like a bracket fa...

code-golf graphical-output

Redwolf Programs

1:29 PM

> Our system has identified this post as possible spam; please review carefully

Never seen that before (esp. in a first posts review)

hyper-neutrino

2:09 PM

Huh, interesting. I have a feeling I know why that happened but it's probably best I don't give it away :P

but yeah, I've never seen that before

Redwolf Programs

First time I've gotten a mod message on CGCC lol

hyper-neutrino

most people don't get any, and you're not even in trouble anyway :P

Redwolf Programs

I like how New Meta Posts got more stars than my pinned message lol

Anush

@pxeger what is wrong with x=1? We just set k to be p-1 for example

caird coinheringaahing

3:09 PM

@Anush Python's sympy library does

sympy.ntheory.isprime I believe

@RedwolfPrograms Do you have a link to the review?

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing codegolf.stackexchange.com/review/first-posts/60208

caird coinheringaahing

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Q: The review system suggested something was probably spam, what should I do when I see this?

While reviewing suggested edits and first posts by new users today, the review system did something new - an alert appeared that suggested that what I was reviewing was probably spam, and prompted me to take a careful look at it. Should I be doing anything differently than I otherwise do while r...

support review faq-proposed spam-detection

> our error rate so far has been extremely low

I guess you found an outlier :P

rak1507

Clearly not an outlier if they ended up being suspended

caird coinheringaahing

I believe the suspension has nothing to do with the post itself (I.e. the post isn't spam)

rak1507

Ah

hyper-neutrino

3:17 PM

if the post were spam I would've nuked it

though I think this post is probably too unclear...

like luis mentioned the sticks' positions aren't specified

bobble

Oh, I've had a bunch of suggested edits with the "possible spam" warning. (To be clear, the edits were from me.) I've also gotten spam-banned form anonymous suggested edits... 7? 8? times now.

(I have never suggested a spam edit, the system just thinks my stuff looks like it occasionally)

ngn

3:56 PM

@Anush apt-get install python3-gmpy or similar. from gmpy import mpz,is_prime and then mpz(x).is_prime()

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