The Nineteenth Byte

02:06

CMM: 7 of the 13 protected questions (10k+ only) are locked, and so can't be unprotected (except maybe by mods, I'm not sure what they can do to locked posts). is it worth unlocking, unprotecting and locking them?

Razetime

i don't think so

hyper-neutrino

i see no point

i also don't know if it bumps

Redwolf Programs

@cairdcoinheringaahing They might migrate themselves to meta and get inexplicably featured

You're playing a dangerous game

hyper-neutrino

D:

caird coinheringaahing

The only plus side I see is that it clears them out of the list of protected questions. I don't see any negatives, aside from a bit of work for the mods

@hyper-neutrino It doesn't

Redwolf Programs

02:13

I think I've finalized my KotH controller's color scheme, now to design the KotH (priorities lol)

@cairdcoinheringaahing I support this

hyper-neutrino

i wouldn't mind but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ like

i've done more tedious things out of boredom

Bubbler

Something might happen between unlocking and locking

Redwolf Programs

I'll jump in and answer one in the tenth of a second it's unlocked lol

Bubbler

which does bump the post

Redwolf Programs

Bumping one or two questions isn't that big of a deal, right?

caird coinheringaahing

02:14

Pretty sure HN can unlock, unprotect and lock within seconds :P

hyper-neutrino

i don't need to unlock it

L

caird coinheringaahing

Even better :P

Bubbler

Game over then

hyper-neutrino

alright i'm back

opened too many tabs and froze my computer

okie

testing Pronoun

caird coinheringaahing

02:18

> Protected Questions
7 questions

Redwolf Programs

@hyper-neutrino How many tabs was that?

caird coinheringaahing

I like this :D

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino which browser?

hyper-neutrino

well it wasn't just the protected questions

let's just say i'll be needing my hammer

okie

Can anyone check if i have pronoun

hyper-neutrino

02:19

it works

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino dang they really trynna hook me

Redwolf Programs

I like how they take the time to set their locations too

caird coinheringaahing

@okie Yep, says Niko for me

okie

lol

hyper-neutrino

fun fact: there is a 5 second cooldown between destroying users

Redwolf Programs

02:21

I'm reloading and watching them get yeeted lol

hyper-neutrino

ok good enough

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Sum multiplication carries We have already counted how many carries are there in a sum. But what's their sum in a multiplication? A carry is a digit that is transferred from one column of digits to another column of more significant digits. When multiplying 15 and 3, a carry of 1 happens: ...

hyper-neutrino

i think a bunch of them undeleted which is why there were so many identical ones in a row

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Here's one for ya

hyper-neutrino

another mod edited a bunch of their profiles to indicate they're a spam account; i should make a userscript to do that and destroy them as spam faster lol. that way even if they undelete hopefully they might not notice

Redwolf Programs

02:23

Wrong paste lol

> login4

Good to know

hyper-neutrino

or maybe i could run a script to track accounts that i have nuked for spam and automatically re-murder them if they undelete their account :P though i must be very careful if i do decide to automate anything

Redwolf Programs

They include the number of accounts so far in the title :p

hyper-neutrino

huh, i just got civic duty on meta

caird coinheringaahing

Can users really undelete nuked accounts?

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing yes ಠ_ಠ

i don't bother suspending them because they're more likely to create a new account anyway

Redwolf Programs

02:24

Looks like some of these accouns have signed up on a ton of other sites, I wonder if they're experiencing Indonesian Gambling Spam as well

hyper-neutrino

@RedwolfPrograms definitely. and it's worse for some smaller sites

one site nuked 1% of their entire user base in a few afternoons

caird coinheringaahing

Jeez, which site?

hyper-neutrino

i think it was either ELL or ELU but i can't remember

some smaller sites with less badge activity also get their recent badges page flooded with spammers getting Autobiographer

can't wait to see the comparison between A Year In Moderation 2021 and 2020 lol

caird coinheringaahing

IIRC we normally have ~50 nuked accounts

I think we've already had more than that so far

hyper-neutrino

last year we had 5 destroyed users

in the past few weeks i've already destroyed at least like 30-ish, probably more

whenever we get a spam poist i'll usually destroy that user

i also ran a couple of admin search queries that someone shared in TL to find profile spammers :P just cuz i got bored

caird coinheringaahing

02:28

Oh yeah, I was way off on the numbers lol :P

hyper-neutrino

i did say some time ago that it wasn't worth doing it but it seems the badge list and new users page have much more profile spam than i originally expected, and since meta's a bit quieter now and i have time, might as well go through some cleanup

caird coinheringaahing

11 in 2019 but 77 in 2018 O.o

Redwolf Programs

There's probably some random user in Indonesia who happens to like card games and made their name w8dlink44casino and randomly got their account deleted lol

hyper-neutrino

lol

okie

wait is there literal people spamming badge page?

caird coinheringaahing

02:31

You get a badge for editing your profile page, so the spammers do that

hyper-neutrino

usually signs of a spammer are 1 rep on 100+ communities, 88 / casino in username, in profile, as profile URL, gambling-related profile picture, and location in either thailand or indonesia (and profile in either thai or indonesian)

and most of the accounts i destroy satisfy all of these criteria

Redwolf Programs

Yikes, I hope they're not using 88 in the sense I've seen it in some places...

Probably not though

hyper-neutrino

i've come across a couple of chinese spam accounts too but they seem to just go off on a super long tangent about something i can't understand (granted, might be translation issue; i can't read chinese unfortunately)

okie

do you mean codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/103672/vn88club1

hyper-neutrino

oh yeah vietnam shows up too sometimes

Redwolf Programs

02:33

I'm learning to recognize different southeast asian languages from all of these spam accounts lol

hyper-neutrino

always south asia. it's unfortunate that they get a pretty bad reputation from all of these spammers from there

same with india and tech scammers. not only do they hurt people for their own gain they give a bad name to their whole country

another reasonably common pattern is a business/organization claiming to be from the UK but having an indian IP address

Redwolf Programs

Looks like the main site they're advertising matches [A-Z]{4}POKER (not going to type it out fully to avoid advertising for them), it doesn't even have a domain name.

Just an IPv4

hyper-neutrino

honestly i'd be surprised if they even catch enough people for it to be worth it, or any people at all. they're honestly more of a nuisance than an actual threat and don't really get anything out of it like

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Redwolf Programs

"Boss, who should we advertise out ultra-sketchy gambling app to?"
"Go for the people who are computer literate, delete our spam within minutes, and don't speak the language we're advertising in."
"Good call boss, don't know what we'd do without you."

hyper-neutrino

it's truly brilliant. i look up to the masterminds behind this absolutely ingenious marketing scheme

DLosc

02:47

I'm sure they'd be willing to sell you their secrets.

hyper-neutrino

lol

DLosc

@hyper-neutrino Pip FTW

hyper-neutrino

nice :P

proton

tio.run/##KyjKL8nP@/@/…

just realized the first is what python does too lol

caird coinheringaahing

Just more fancy :P

DLosc

@hyper-neutrino I'm sold :o

hyper-neutrino

02:58

oh yeah it takes like 3 years to run anything cuz of the sympy import lmao

a = (+)
print(a(2, 3))

partial operator binding

super scuffed partial functions

DLosc

Why scuffed? Don't like the syntax?

hyper-neutrino

the syntax isn't that bad IMHO

the whole language is scuffed though

there are... many issues with it

DLosc

Cause it can't possibly be worse than the partial function implementation in tinylisp. :P

hyper-neutrino

if i ever try making a practical language again my cs course from the past term which was basically like 80% about interpreters / compilation / memory models would definitely help :P

@DLosc do i want to find out?

DLosc

Lemme throw together an example...

hyper-neutrino

03:03

1 + + 2 returns a function object that doesn't seem to be callable

idk why it doesn't return 3

let's just say that errors are kinda weird behavior

variables that were never defined evaluate to None

are is an alias for is :P

although a is b checks type

for example, print("a" is str) gives Fal- wait, what ._.

since undefined variables evaluate to None

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Try it online!

english_convenienced_function Love the internals :P

hyper-neutrino

:P

i also have an internal function called _

i know, very helpful

DLosc

Haha, fun ^__^

@hyper-neutrino Try it online!

hyper-neutrino

yeah i still have no idea what is is meant to do

DLosc

I'm not even sure what has to be quoted and why--I'm just following the example I put in the library next to the definition of partial.

hyper-neutrino

03:10

lol wtf

func composition

oh one thing that i'm kind of proud of

@f = (x => x < 3 ? 1 : f(x - 1) + f(x - 2))

print(f(12))
print(f(100))

DLosc

Interesting choice for composition operator

hyper-neutrino

tio

built-in memoization of functions :D

DLosc

That is nice.

hyper-neutrino

also you can only define functions as lambdas btw lol

DLosc

So... Proton = Language of the Month when??

okie

03:12

I don’t know why, but now i am addicted to badge list

hyper-neutrino

also built-in sizeof (not that it's useful) and timeof (probably not very accurate though)

@DLosc never cuz it's buggy as hell lmfao

maybe if i properly remake it

factorial is built-in too just cuz why not

gamma func

DLosc

ofc

caird coinheringaahing

@okie Which badge list?

okie

biographer one

caird coinheringaahing

No, what list are you looking at?

hyper-neutrino

03:14

auto-copy

^ was designed purely with golfing in mind

@cairdcoinheringaahing probably codegolf.stackexchange.com/help/badges

on the right side a bit down

okie

user that earned autobio

hyper-neutrino

or codegolf.stackexchange.com/help/badges/9/autobiographer

^ is a good place to check for profile spammers

okie

refreshing to see a spam account without 88 in account name

Redwolf Programs

I think it's part of the name of the site, which exaplains it.

okie

revolution

hyper-neutrino

03:18

interesting

i suspect the 8 is cultural

i don't know about other languages/cultures but 8 is lucky in chinese

caird coinheringaahing

There's 888casino here in the UK

okie

@hyper-neutrino correct

hyper-neutrino

ok why does the NMP bot account have over 200 rep

lyxal

just to spite the Indonesian casinos I downloaded WSOP and am now playing poker

hyper-neutrino

+21 from return n++ % 101 lmao

isn't the usual jackpot for slots 777? idk been inside a casino like total once and it was to get through a hotel lobby mostly

okie

03:20

@hyper-neutrino yes

lyxal

for the old three reel one line, yes

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Because Redwolf posted a repbait on a question that hit the top of HNQ for days :P

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino but not necessarily if you're playing a standard 5 reel 25/50 lines. those are usually themed

source: slot machine apps on phone

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino NMP got 50 rep away from a Mortarboard badge :P

lyxal

oof someone went all in on a three of a kind in the centre and lost to someone who had 4 of a kind (centre + pocket)

not me btw

caird coinheringaahing

03:25

@lyxal Texas Hold'em?

lyxal

correct

caird coinheringaahing

Hold'em and Blackjack is how I got card games banned at my school :P

lyxal

i envy you

caird coinheringaahing

How? :P

lyxal

that suggests you had people willing to play along

caird coinheringaahing

03:26

The trick is to have friends :P

lyxal

i mean yes I once got a game of blackjack going in software class on the last day of school but no one was really into gambling irl

caird coinheringaahing

I just taught my mates how to play, brought in a bag of poker chips and managed to get cards banned within a month :P

lyxal

there was the time though when I was in 8th grade (13/14) and I played hold'em with some 10/11th graders (16/17)

caird coinheringaahing

We weren't even "gambling", just using the chips to make it more interesting (they all went back to me at the end), but the school got concerns that we were promoting "banned" behaviour so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

lyxal

chat event idea: hold'em tournament

\s

okie

03:29

Sadly, I lost 80% of poker even if I try to use brain

lyxal

the trick is to fold if y'aint confident

Redwolf Programs

I invented a card game once, it's actually quite fun

lyxal

and once you've folded, you talk in a code golf chatroom until the next round

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal When I was in year 11 (10th grade, 15/16), I won a 6 pack of beer and ~€50 from some year 13s (12th grade, 17/18) on a school ski trip in hold'em

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing :clap:

Redwolf Programs

03:30

What's your new php a reference to?

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms link?

Redwolf Programs

*pgp

*pfp

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms I don't use php

markiplier E

Redwolf Programs

Got there eventually

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal The trick is to be in the overlap between "those who can play poker" and "those who are sober"

okie

03:31

wait is this even gambling

caird coinheringaahing

@okie No, but that's 88 and a swastika, so it should be nuked

okie

I am literally addicted to not code golf, but code golf badge

Redwolf Programs

Swastikas are relgiious symbols for some places in southeast asia

lyxal

^

hyper-neutrino

^

caird coinheringaahing

03:32

> Van An Group is a prestigious brand name in designing and constructing interior and exterior works from neoclassical style to modern style, roof with Asian beauty.

I think it's spam

hyper-neutrino

however the profile is still spam

lyxal

yeah it's still spam

58 network accounts

okie

@cairdcoinheringaahing Is that you nuke it because of anti-spam or just because it's dividable by 11

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms Yeah, pretty sure that's an actual swastika, not the religious symbol

@okie 88 is often associated with nazis

Redwolf Programs

It's also considered a lucky number in those same areas though I think

You typically don't see nazi swastikas in green and rotated like that

Bubbler

03:34

@RedwolfPrograms southeast and east asia, as a religious symbol

hyper-neutrino

as i mentioned earlier 8 is a lucky number in chinese and likely nearby asian cultures

okie

@hyper-neutrino Comfirmed

hyper-neutrino

also nazi swastikas are at a 45 degree angle. this one is clockwise which is the same rotation as nazi swastikas but both directions are religious symbols, just that the nazis ruined the clockwise/"ura" manji

source

that said, it's still spam

Redwolf Programs

Definitely spam, yeah

lyxal

hang on since when can you clip dream videos?

as in save clips

caird coinheringaahing

03:36

Personally, I believe that if your profile content could reasonably be considered offensive by a decent number of people - regardless of whether you intended it to be so - you should at least modify it to be less so

okie

I just searched wiki, it's also called "Hakenkreuz" for nazi

DLosc

The partial macro in Appleseed (tinylisp's younger sibling that thinks it's way better) is actually quite nice.

caird coinheringaahing

@okie That's the German name/word for it

@okie Means "hooked cross"

Bubbler

Wow, so many unrelated spam accounts

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Interestingly, there is also a considerable amount of "glorification" (or, at the very least, extreme interest) of the Nazi regime in Asia: travel.stackexchange.com/questions/102248/…

Termed "Nazi chic"

hyper-neutrino

03:40

well, the nazis did once write about the horrors of some things going on in asia, and you know it's bad when even the nazis think it's bad........

yeah. it's definitely something that's a problem. if a user found it offensive / disturbing and wanted it changed i'd definitely discuss with the user with that profile. not in this case though, that was just an easy nuke

okie

I think you can add "webit" as a fliter to search for spam

lyxal

@okie -tpu

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino You mentioned something about nuking accounts notifying other mods?

lyxal

@lyxal (that's a metasmoke [spam cleaner] reference)

caird coinheringaahing

The very first Sandbox

lyxal

03:44

@cairdcoinheringaahing there's been more than one?

wow

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal There's been 11 IIRC

lyxal

oh

caird coinheringaahing

Mark 11

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing no, just suspending (since i need to mod message them)

caird coinheringaahing

Mark 10. The rest are linked from that

hyper-neutrino

03:48

@okie used mod search, only gave me one more profile on top of your two and it was a false positive

okie

oofs

I see 0 now, press E to pay respect

hyper-neutrino

dealing with spam users definitely isn't fun by any means but it's certainly much better than dealing personally with problematic users / contributors

caird coinheringaahing

NGL I'd very happily spend an hour or so every night just nuking spammers if I could :P

hyper-neutrino

like most things i just get random bursts of motivation to do it from time to time :P

okie

oh

Redwolf Programs

03:54

Should I move these old ones?

okie

lmao i just notice that

yes please remove my old voices

caird coinheringaahing

~~Leave these one I reckon~~ Get rid of them

lyxal

here's some spam

okie

those are deleted link anyway

caird coinheringaahing

@okie @hyper-neutrino has an office that you can post these in :P

hyper-neutrino

03:55

→ 14 messages moved to Indonesian Gambling Spam

well it's on-topic in this room

Redwolf Programs

Relevant title :p

hyper-neutrino

i was contemplating which trash to move it to until i remembered our trash's room name :P

caird coinheringaahing

ಠ_ಠ I love being completely unable to sleep

It's 5am here, and despite lying in bad for the past 4 hours, I am completely awake. I'm sure I'll crash at 8/9am later and be completely useless for the rest of the day tho :/

Redwolf Programs

This isn't the best room to be in if that's your goal :p

caird coinheringaahing

TNB isn't what's keeping me awake :P

okie

04:03

I can't view OEIS i am dead

hyper-neutrino

hm?

okie

hm.

lyxal

hm!

Redwolf Programs

hm‽

EnderShadow8

oeis is amazing

hyper-neutrino

04:11

wdym by you can't view oeis + you're dead tho :p

okie

I can't view oeis => i am dead

EnderShadow8

y not

it works for me and you obviously have internet connection

okie

Now I no longer can view any sequence

hyper-neutrino

what is happening, any errors / just not loading?

lyxal

any screenshots?

hyper-neutrino

04:13

please provide a MCVE including your code, the expected behavior, what's going wrong / any errors, and what you've tried so far /s

EnderShadow8

you sound like 90% of SO users

okie

hyper-neutrino

that was the joke :P

are you getting firewalled or smth

okie

And people found chinese: Please go chinese community for more support

@hyper-neutrino I think so

EnderShadow8

china blocked a lot of things

okie

04:15

Getting firewalled by school wifi :(

EnderShadow8

oh

hyper-neutrino

dns probe finished nxdomain is what again

couldn't find an entry on the .org dns server?

okie

I am not at China

EnderShadow8

you can paste the url into google translate

it gets around blocks in the wifi as long as translate is unblocked

lyxal

@okie can you access lyxal.pythonanywhere.com?

because I could add an OEIS web scraper there

okie

04:16

@lyxal Before I open it, I predict i will be ricked

oh

hyper-neutrino

lol

lyxal

it's the vyxal interpreter

okie

I am safe.

hyper-neutrino

it's just the vyxal interp

lyxal

so you can access it

good

okie

04:17

translate.google.com/…

BRUH

It worked.

hm~

lyxal

oh

caird coinheringaahing

Is random about random or the usage of randomness on main? Or both?

okie

nvm

You can't search

knosmos

I wonder how your firewall works

Redwolf Programs

Probably roughly how my school's does :p

knosmos

04:19

can load a page but can't search?

okie

yes

I am opening my vpn now

knosmos

does it specifically block post requests or something??

Redwolf Programs

They're using google translate to see pages I think

okie

yes

Redwolf Programs

So stuff that uses JS or forms probably wouldn't work

knosmos

04:20

ohh that makes sense

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing i think it seems to mostly be about specifications of what "random" requires or allows

i'm assuming you want to add a tag wiki

caird coinheringaahing

...maybe

okie

Atleast I am not in China that prob have better firewall then my school

knosmos

wait when I try that link the search works, meaning that it must be somehow blocked by your school

caird coinheringaahing

Fun fact: if I edit 11 more tag wikis on meta, I'll have edited the wikis of 50% of the tags on meta

okie

04:22

it worked with vpn :)

knosmos

👍

Redwolf Programs

Nice!

My school's smart enough to block those

knosmos

my school laptop is locked in my closet

I don't trust the administration with any of the weird software they put on that thing

Redwolf Programs

I just use a personal one

okie

@knosmos It crashed my school computer, so I am using my own now

DLosc

04:26

Fractions in Python*

* Sort of

lyxal

@okie lyxal.pythonanywhere.com/oeis?seq=1,2,3,4,5

hyper-neutrino

would it not be easier to just use fractions.Fraction

maybe i don't get what this is doing

oh wait are you using regex to allow coding in normal python but numbers get converted into fractions?

lyxal

@okie lyxal.pythonanywhere.com/oeis?seq= for browsing the OEIS without visting OEIS. sequence number for actual sequences and comma separated terms for sequence search

hyper-neutrino

i'm stupid (go away lyxal)

i thought my headphones weren't working

never occurred to me that the video i was looking at might just not have audio...

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino you're not "stupid (go away lyxal)", you're hyper-neutrino

Redwolf Programs

04:38

Happens to me a lot with YT ads

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino The number of times I've typed "For questions about ..." because the tag wikis mangle anything else :/

hyper-neutrino

oh yeah what happened with your request to stop mangling everything

caird coinheringaahing

Same thing as most feature requests; it got lost into the void

(aka, nothing)

@hyper-neutrino Would you mind asking around in TL? Link

hyper-neutrino

have done so, will let you know if/when i get an update

caird coinheringaahing

Thanks :D

hyper-neutrino

05:14

@cairdcoinheringaahing even with SE providing better responses and actions, things are still likely to take a considerable amount of time; even for just a response like deferral, it's likely to take closer to the timeframe of 6-8 (insert unit of time) than just 2 weeks

if it's gone too long without any notices you can modflag it requesting status-review if you believe it should be added, but 2 weeks is definitely too soon to be pushing for a response yet

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Well, I can't say I expected more, but at least that's a response

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing granted, this response is from another mod, not a CM, though i doubt i'll get a different response

TBH i was approximately expecting this anyway, lol. given it's not particularly important or crucial and it's a feature-request and not a bug. apparently SO had a feature request to change 5 words which took 2 years to happen, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

caird coinheringaahing

I should've proposed this 10 years ago, back when SE was paying attention to feature-requests

hyper-neutrino

never mind, it's apparently unlikely to even be noticed by SE without status review so i've flagged it as the other mod suggested in tl

lyxal

wow i can't believe i found the original form of the meme where that guy dances and keeps recursing

A username

05:29

Question: How old is the joke 'I'm not joking, I'm (username)'?

John Dvorak

assuming dad jokes are about as old as dads... millenia

caird coinheringaahing

@Ausername Lyxal has been making that specific joke since around the time JoKing was elected as mod (Sep '20)

hyper-neutrino

05:47

i can't tell if it feels like it's been longer or shorter since i became a mod

insert overquoted message about time being on drugs

lyxal

based

hyper-neutrino

🅱️ased

Adám

> Sicut sagittam tempus muscas.

New Main Posts

@Adám fruit flies like a banana

hyper-neutrino

06:03

(idk how to translate that)

(google translate doesn't seem to like latin)

okie

@lyxal Thx for your help, but princess is in another castle! That was epic of you to modify your site to help me, and Niko appreciate that, but I already used vpn to solve the problem

atleast my ipad can use that tho

btw, 2 new spam account appeared

Adám

06:27

> Fructus volat amo musa.

hyper-neutrino

ah. thanks

Adám

Now I'm not sure if you got the joke or not.

hyper-neutrino

eh, i'm not sure either :P

the two meanings i can think of are the literal meaning that time flies like an arrow = time goes fast, or the joke of time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana

Adám

Sicut sagittam tempus muscas. = Like an arrow [are] time flies (i.e. clock insects).
Fructus volat amo musa. = Fruit flies (i.e. causes the flight of) banana-love.

But Google Translate is stupid.

hyper-neutrino

Ah. So the joke is you swapped the "like"s. but google translate doesn't identify the difference :P

John Dvorak

06:35

TIL fruit flies have hairy eyeballs

2

hyper-neutrino

that's something i probably could've gone through life without learning. but that's interesting :p

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