The Nineteenth Byte

okie

05:00

You should take meow as testcases.

meow

A username

meow is too short. "You should take meow as testcases." is good though, will try that.

(It's the swap function iteration count thing)

Adalynn

I take it okie is very much a catperson?

A username

(I'm looking for testcases in the 100k-2m range)

Adalynn

Also

programmer365

What do you mean by catperson?

Adalynn

05:02

meow

A person with mannerism of cat

Like

"meow"

programmer365

Licking finger?

2

okie

@Adalynn If you like to think it that way, so be it

Adalynn

Or are you just uh... Playing into the whole Niko-Oneshot PFP

okie

I mean, I like Oneshot, but I also love cats

Not the linux one

A username

@Bubbler Agreed

Razetime

05:08

@okie good taste in games

okie

@Razetime Thx :)

Adalynn

Personally, I prefer TTYD over modern games, but just personal opinion. Oneshot's good taste in game.

New Sandboxed Posts

05:20

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Base Guard base-conversioncode-golfnumber Base: part 1 This is part 2, Strongly suggest you go try out the first one if you haven't tried it. Story As one of the solvers, You've managed to get to the door of the base heaven. In front of the door stands the base guard @Lyxal, Holding a bunch of ti...

programmer365

Hey when will you stop your base challenges

We want to try something new

A username

Base challenges are nice and simple.

hyper-neutrino

this is a dupe

it's a very trivial modification

requiring base digits instead of allowing output as a list of digits as numbers is one of those requirements that's just annoying I/O, not actually an additional challenge, and thus this becomes exactly a duplicate

Lyxal

Unlikely argument type int for contains(Object) on a Collection<int[]> wdym java?

ofc a collection of int will contain an int

wont it?

A username

java is bad

C is worse

programmer365

05:28

And worst??

Bubbler

Collection of int[] will not contain an int, obviously :P

hyper-neutrino

i think you want Collection<Integer>...

Lyxal

Arrays.asList(list).contains(i) where list is int[] and i is int

and I don't have the option to make list Collection<Integer> because uni

Bubbler

C++ has the worst impression from me, even worse than C

hyper-neutrino

heh

Arrays.asList(T... t)

so it won't necessarily work if you give it a list

it might take that as the first argument, not the list argument

Bubbler

05:31

Ellipsis is evil

Lyxal

btw I'm trying to see if an array contains an object

hyper-neutrino

tio.run/##LYw/…

Bubbler

I guess Arrays.asList is not the right function to use in this case

hyper-neutrino

this works if i .contains a number or a list...

Bubbler

?

hyper-neutrino

05:32

though .contains(2) gives false, and .contains(a) gives true

A username

java's math.max takes two arguments. It's a nightmare.

hyper-neutrino

no compilation errors though

oh wait

lyxal's message was only a warning wasn't it

New Main Posts

1

Q: Swap encoding iteration count

Introduction In this challenge, I asked you to implement swap encoding. Swap encoding is an encoding method where you iterate through the string, reversing substrings between identical characters. The basic algorithm is: For each character in the string: Check: Does the string contain the charact...

fastest-code

0

Q: Easily Terminated Fork Bomb

Create the smallest possible fork bomb (creating an exponentially increasing number of objects that allocate memory and create more instances of the same object, such as the well known :(){:|:&};: in BASH) for a language. The program must be able to be terminated by pressing any key; this does no...

code-golf self-referential

hyper-neutrino

import java.util.*;

public class Main {
	public static void main(String[] args) {
		Integer[] a = new Integer[] {1, 2, 3, 4, 5};
		System.out.println(Arrays.asList(a).contains(3));
	}
}

@Lyxal generics can't take ints so int... can't be used

it uses int[]...

A username

@NewMainPosts Not bad! Redwolf's bot was 10 minutes faster tho :p

hyper-neutrino

05:34

if you use Integer[] then it can read that as Integer... and make a List<Integer>

Bubbler

That's kinda bad form of type inference

Lyxal

@hyper-neutrino not in this case. I might just have to stick to a primitive for loop . sad.

hyper-neutrino

bruh lol

@Lyxal Arrays.asList(IntStream.of(a).boxed().toArray(Integer[]::new)).contains(n)

Lyxal

I like how this is overly convoluted for a simple exercise. Thanks for the help though!

Bubbler

The verboseness of Java stream is eww

hyper-neutrino

05:40

overly convoluted? this is just normal java :p

yeah java is... interesting

you have that in java, and then you have n in a in python. lol.

also there's probably a better way of converting a stream to a list btw

Lyxal

And in many golfing languages it's just a single byte lol

hyper-neutrino

i think stream.collect(Collectors.toList()) works? idk

saw smth about that here

Bubbler

Python is untyped, but even in Rust (strongly typed) it's just arr.iter().any(|&x|x==y)

New Main Posts

05:59

0

Q: Appending numbers to satisfy equation

You are given 3 numbers: x, y and z, you have to minimize the number of digit(positive) inserted at any place to the numbers x,y,z to make $$x + y = z$$ (you can assume x,y,z and your final integers after insertion be such that they won't overflow integer limit in your language) Example: x=1 , y=...

arithmetic programming-puzzle

Bubbler

@NewMainPosts Looks clear enough to me (maybe just need more test cases)

okie

06:22

I rewrote the Base Guard

Still uncreative, but at least it chains with part 1 and it's a brand new challenge

TheNumberOne

07:16

python is typed

it is dynamically typed

but still typed

also, C and C++ are alright languages :3
tho, i would argue that C++ is one of the hardest languages to learn and C is one of the most verbose languages

tho c can be extremely concise when golfing

pxeger

Unary is obviously the most verbose language :þ

TheNumberOne

i was excluding esolangs :p

Kamila Szewczyk

C isn't verbose

and yes, C++ is hell to learn

Adalynn

07:43

KAMILA!

Kamila Szewczyk

hello c:

Adalynn

:> <:

programmer365

08:39

hello everyone
i am back
where i can find the syntax for scratchblocks2

Lyxal

08:59

Scratch wiki

programmer365

@Lyxal thx! found it

but i am worried what to do of extra Snap! blocks

EnderShadow8

09:22

Hi guys, this isn't to do with golfing, but as a JS dev should I learn Typescript or C#? I dislike dynamic typing because I find myself abusing it too often and I worry that I might make a mistake

Unrelated String

i know very little about either but
both

definitely both

John Dvorak

@EnderShadow8 Thoughts on Rust?

Bubbler

What are you using JS for?

Unrelated String

i feel like they have entirely disjoint use cases

John Dvorak

^

Unrelated String

09:24

i'm not aware of any way you can use c# as a web scripting language but "js except with better typing" is the whole point of typescript

EnderShadow8

@UnrelatedString More as a learning exercise and less for anything serious so it doesn't matter

A username

Typescript is a natural extension of Js, whereas C# is an entirely new language - I would start with Typescript.

Unrelated String

if you want to learn something as an excercise learn haskell
haskell is fun

EnderShadow8

True. Except with the type inference I might still have old bad habits

Bubbler

Typescript can be used almost anywhere where JS can be used, but its type system can be intimidating at times

A username

09:25

Learn Unary!

EnderShadow8

@UnrelatedString haskell sounds fun in theory but every time I try it's just a headache

Unrelated String

i don't see how inference could preserve or lead to bad habits

John Dvorak

If you want to dive deep into static typing, Rust

Unrelated String

oh no haskell's actually pretty easy

it just looks intimidating if you don't fuck around with it enough

Bubbler

Learning multiple different general purpose languages is always good after all

Unrelated String

09:25

or try to do anything too crazy

A username

What about 2/9 of an esolang?

John Dvorak

I'd also suggest Ruby, but you don't want dynamically typed right now

EnderShadow8

I already use Python which is similar to Ruby, but anything over 200 loc is hard to maintain probably cos I'm untidy

i want to break dynamic typing habits

Rust sounds more intimidating than C++

A username

Learn Taxi.

Or convey.

EnderShadow8

tf is taxi

convey is like a puzzle game?

A username

09:28

taxi

convey

EnderShadow8

wow

I've seen convey before

John Dvorak

rust is way less intimidating than C++. If Rust sees something suspicious, it speaks up. If C++ sees anything it doesn't like, it sets your computer on fire.

A username

There's got to be some language that restarts your computer on error

EnderShadow8

I love how at this point google knows me so well that when i search rust i don't even see any iron oxide

John Dvorak

@Ausername any embedded

A username

09:30

Or literally sets it on fire

John Dvorak

@Ausername any old enough embedded :D

I remember that old CRTs actually did fry themselves if you set too high refresh rate

EnderShadow8

try:
...
except:
import os
os.system("shutdown /s 1")

John Dvorak

eww python

EnderShadow8

too much python and js is the root of my problem anyway

python is nice for simple automation though

John Dvorak

@EnderShadow8 Go for Rust then.

EnderShadow8

09:32

Is rust manual memory?

John Dvorak

it's compile-time automatic

EnderShadow8

what does that mean

Bubbler

Define "manual memory"

A username

Go through the language list on esolangs until you've learnt everything on there!

EnderShadow8

no.

John Dvorak

09:35

values that need deallocatin logic get deallocated automatically at the end of their scope. Compiler also statically checks there aren't any references pointing to them that would now point into the void.

EnderShadow8

ok rust is manual apparently

A username

If you do one a day, it will only take you two or three years...

EnderShadow8

so memory leaks and the like are compile time errors?

John Dvorak

It's not. It has an ownership system that lets the compiler track who's responsible for deleting stuff

memory leaks are allowed, but you have to be explicit about them.

EnderShadow8

@JohnDvorak how does it do that automatically without a gc

i'm not familiar with language implementations

John Dvorak

09:37

normally each value always has exactly one variable responsible for its deletion

EnderShadow8

I don't think learning a new language over chat is a good idea

Bubbler

@EnderShadow8 When an "owned" object exits its scope, it gets deleted. Having a reference to it outside the scope is a compile error

EnderShadow8

@Bubbler ok that makes a little sense now

John Dvorak

for example, String is a type responsible for de/allocating a buffer with utf-8 data inside. &str is a type that points to some block of utf-8 data (not necessarily the entire buffer) that somebody else is responsible for deleting.

EnderShadow8

I should probably stick to high level languages for now

learning is a slow process

John Dvorak

09:41

doc.rust-lang.org/book/index.html

Bubbler

Protip: Whenever you feel like learning a new general-purpose programming language, check out codewars.com, solve some easy problems, and learn more by reading top solutions, repeat by solving more problems.

5

You get the necessary basics real quick

In the case of Rust, the official introductory material is also good

and Rust actually feels like a high-level language 90% of the time despite it being a compiled language without GC

John Dvorak

because it is

ngn

reasons i don't use rust: the syntax is too verbose and the binaries it produces are too bloated

Bubbler

You can trim down rust binaries if you really want (and C is cheating because libc is dynamically linked)

John Dvorak

part of it is because if you have a generic function it produces one version for it for every type you use. There's a compiler flag to make it output code that's as small as possible instead of as fast as possible though.

Bubbler

09:56

Verbose syntax: yes and no. Certain common constructs are pretty long but you get a lot of features that simply don't exist in C/C++

(though I'm not a big fan of rustfmt which tends to spread out things vertically)

ngn

10:10

@EnderShadow8 neither - just learn js really really well

c# is a different category of language, similar to java

typescript is solving a seemingly common problem, but it's the wrong problem to solve

plain javascript is the most widespread readily available language - practically every user-facing device has an interpreter

(i mean "neither" for practical purposes. of course it's always good to be curious about different languages)

ngn

10:28

unfortunately all reasoning about the utility and quality of programming languages becomes useless when your customer/employer says "i want technology ${x} for my project" :)

EnderShadow8

js is too squishy, otherwise it's still my top preference

it's honestly the anarchist of programming languages

Also it needs structs

ngn

js objects feel almost like structs

pxeger

I quite like JS's object system

It's just the total lack of builtins and horrible library ecosystem for me

John Dvorak

10:43

the anarchist would be Ruby methinks

ngn

@pxeger well, now it's just that :) it used to be: ".. and browser incompatibilities"

pxeger

What's so anarchist about Ruby?

ngn

yeah, isn't ruby more like a monarchy?

"Wait. Wait. The principle of least surprise is not for you only. The principle of least surprise means principle of least my surprise." -matz

John Dvorak

you have a point... but then we have to consider JS a confederation

or, at best, an empire

ngn

but even the confederation governing the ecmascript standard doesn't have complete power over the language

due to its own popularity, js takes an awfully long time to fix a bug and phase out old browsers

pxeger

10:55

I don't see why we need a country metaphor. JS is a massive pile of horse shit

ngn

so if something works in a certain undesired way now, it would take like 5-10 years to correct it

John Dvorak

same as with a confederation?

ngn

ok, maybe :)

New Sandboxed Posts

11:14

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Solve any NPC problem. Shortest code win. Sandbox Notes Will every submission tend to single NPC problem?

EnderShadow8

11:30

@ngn Objects are reference types and structs are value types.

Take another look at implicit type coercion and then tell me js isn't an anarchy

ngn

@EnderShadow8 anarchy != chaos, but yeah, js type coercion rules are horrible

Wheat Wizard

For a sensible version of js's object system you can look at row polymorphism in Elm.

EnderShadow8

11:49

I'll try Typescript and see how that goes

Wheat Wizard

Typescript is uh ... not very good.

Redwolf Programs

12:24

Morning!

rak1507

afternoon!

Redwolf Programs

I'm probably not going to be in TNB for the next six hours or so, I've got a big test and need to do a bit of practice without being distracted by code golf :p

rak1507

12:39

gl

new-ish

12:57

@RedwolfPrograms morning

Lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms pathetic. I'm gonna be gone for 9 hours

Get good

Also, glhf with the test...as long as you've prepared well, you'll do well

Oh nvm you won't see my encouragement for a while

Well y'all have fun overnight.

I'll be back soon

o/

new-ish

yay, "enthusiast" and I've hit 800 rep for the fourth time

programmer365

@new-ish in different sites or Only here?

new-ish

@programmer365 all four of them on this site

programmer365

Well I am not a new member here, I challenge you to tell my old identity without looking at my profile

hyper-neutrino

13:07

my first guess would be programmer5000, but i doubt that's a particularly good guess lol

programmer365

No

pxeger

I remember seeing another user with "farthest corner of the universe" as their location in their profile

But who?

@Wasif?

Unrelated String

i am looking at your profile and can't figure it out

oh yeah that would check out

pxeger

Aha! You are Wasif. Here's the proof: codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/21972/…

programmer365

Yes I used to be wasif

Unrelated String

13:13

just got to the part of your answer history where there's like 5 of each challenge

programmer365

Well locked posts could not be downvoted, right? Then how did my TNB RO election nomination post got down from 3 to 2 score while being locked?

hyper-neutrino

a) it was unlocked for a while to clear it from the featured board b) serial voting can still be invalidated on locked posts I think

though serial voting on the nominations thread itself seems unlikely

that was mainly a problem for the election thread since i posted all 8 of them

programmer365

Oh I see

hyper-neutrino

there are a couple of people who want the new KoTH reopened so I'd like to discuss it. CMM i guess

the thing is, yes, there are some new strategies here you could try, and some old strategies from the xkcd you can't. but IMO it's still just about generating an appropriately large but not too large number with a slightly different score distribution

even if the old challenge were more continuous and the new challenge has the discrete jump from earning double to losing points if you get blown up, i don't think that adds much more of a skill ceiling

and the main issue is that these two back-to-back may set a bad precedent for KoTH as some people have pointed out, especially with how xkcd drew in so many new users

Wheat Wizard

13:32

I don't know about our official duplicate policy (which I think is rather flawed anyway), but I don't think it offers anything particularly new and interesting. It is a slight twist on an already very simple challenge.

Redwolf Programs

Same. It's a half-dupe of (at minimum) two KotHs.

It won't have exactly the same strategy as either of the two, but there will be nothing new

Razetime

being in a Q&A site kinds messes with the logic of deciding dupes

Redwolf Programs

If there are two questions on a typical Q&A site, "how do I call a function" and "which function do I use for cosine", you'd still close "how do I find the cosine of a number using the Math object" as a dupe of at least one of those

And that's basically what's happened here

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Q: Smallest unique number KoTH

Create a bot to choose the smallest unique number. (Based on a psychology experiment I heard about many years ago but haven't been able to track down again.) Rules Each game will consist of 10 randomly selected bots playing 1000 rounds. Each round, all bots select an integer from 1 to 10 (inc...

king-of-the-hill

xash

14:05

Close voters: things that were unclear were fixed. Otherwise you really should comment them instead of just close voting, esp. on a new account. codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/225042/…

hyper-neutrino

@xash that is completely wrong. If a question is unclear and close-worthy it should be closed. Welcoming new users is important but that doesn't exempt them from how our site operates

if you leave a challenge open, people will answer it, and the more answers a challenge gets while not fully clarified, the worse the problem gets

Wheat Wizard

I agree, but I think this question is clear though.

hyper-neutrino

I didn't get around to reviewing this challenge before it got closed; if it was clear then that's an entirely different issue but whether or not the user is new doesn't really factor into that IMO.

Anyway, thanks for reopening it; I just got back to my computer.

Redwolf Programs

I've cleaned up the formatting a bit

That definitely makes it easier to understand I think

hyper-neutrino

it definitely helps. I looked at the revision history and honestly I found the version right before closure clear enough, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Redwolf Programs

14:22

Lyxal trying to read our messages while being upside down: _/(.-.)\_

xash

@hyper-neutrino Yeah, the question wasn't unclear or close-worthy. Otherwise of course. The "esp. on a new account" wasn't my main massage, just that I'd find it irritating as a new community member.

hyper-neutrino

that's fair enough

user

15:18

@UnrelatedString It's not easy for inherently imperative algorithms :(

I tried writing a parser using purely immutable values and failed horribly

rak1507

@user did you use parsec?

Wezl

what sort of parser? I've had success parsing a LL(1) grammar easily (scheme) but I have no experience with more complicated ones

Redwolf Programs

Imagine knowing how parsers work and not just stringing together endless horrible for loops and recursive functions and hoping you never have to update anything

user

15:36

@rak1507 No, I'm using Scala

rak1507

oh

Redwolf Programs

My hobby: Bringing #3 pencils to standardized tests

(For legal reasons this is a joke)

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms Real bad boys bring pens to standardised tests :P

Redwolf Programs

I actually do need to bring a pen to this one since there's a written section :p

In five minutes I leave class for lunch before the test

And I think I have a math final after that

user

@Wezl It's a Java-like language

The real problem is resolving references to classes, methods, etc. later, so you need to replace the entire AST

Wezl

15:47

ah ok no experience with that

Wheat Wizard

@RedwolfPrograms You should try combinatorial parsing. It makes parsing very easy.

ngn

@user java stores symbolic references in the bytecode and resolves them at runtime (class load time), not compile time

user

I meant at compile time, when you're checking types and stuff (not sure what the term for that is)

ngn

@user verification?

user

Yeah

ngn

15:54

that can only be done at class load time

inagine a class A that does B x = new C();

the compiler can't know if C extends B (unless they are part of a library)

maybe it compiles B and C before A, but then what if they use A in a similar way

user

Wait doesn't javac check if C extends B?

I thought you either had to make sure B and C are part of your source code or are available as part of jars or as classfiles

ngn

@user right, but the runtime verifier does too (i shouldn't have said "only")

user

Huh, I didn't know that

I've had errors about classes and methods not being found before

Oh, I see, you meant the runtime checks if a class exists right when it tries to load it, not the moment the JVM starts up

ngn

@user not only if it exists, but also if the bytecode is valid

if the bytecode says "construct a new C and assign it to x", but C doesn't extend B, that should be an error, i think..

user

Interesting

@ngn That sounds...cumbersome

I'm not totally sure they do that too, though. According to the docs you linked, it doesn't even check if the type descriptors refer to real classes

Redwolf Programs

16:09

Twenty minutes until the test, I now know considerably more about Human Geography than I will ever need to :p

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms Where abouts on the human is the capital city? :P

Redwolf Programs

:p

ngn

16:49

@user here's an interesting experiment:

class A{
 static B f(){B x=new C();return x;}
 public static void main(String[]a){System.out.println(f());}
}
class B{}
class C extends B{}

put these in separate files and do javac A.java, then remove "extends B" from C.java and do javac C.java, and run java A - it dies with a VerifyError

however, if i inline f(), it doesn't die - apparently it ignores the types when they apply only to locals

programmer365

17:45

Is there any rule on SE which limits number of username changes?

It says I can only change in 30 days interval

hyper-neutrino

once per 30 days i think

that's the system restriction for name changes

you can change your name faster in chat by using different usernames on different communities which is probably allowed cuz a lot of people have done that and nobody's ever cared

programmer365

Oh so I switch across my parent account?

hyper-neutrino

yes, you can do that

programmer365

So that's the secret behind that TNB hell game

hyper-neutrino

no they changed their CGCC usernames themselves

i helped change them back sooner than a month but that was an exception; i won't change usernames on request often just for fun

programmer365

17:51

Mods can change other user name?

hyper-neutrino

yes

usually used to remove offensive usernames

sometimes used on request but not often

i remember DJ changed one of caird's chatbot account names because caird couldn't remember the login details or smth, lol

programmer365

What a deadly power

Wow

hyper-neutrino

changing usernames is one of the less powerful things mods can do, lol

programmer365

Then what is the most deadliest power in your opinion

hyper-neutrino

the best part of being a mod is that we can edit our chat messages without the 2 minute time limit or whatever it was. :P

@programmer365 probably account destruction / deletion

programmer365

17:56

Well, how does the bots work? Their posted messages in chat don't get added to their total weekly/daily message count

That means they are not normal accounts

hyper-neutrino

those are feeds users, which are fake users. they just follow an RSS feed and display its contents in chat

there are also real users created for the purposes of being a "chatbot" since you can use the chat API to read / write messages

for example, @OldSandboxPosts is a real-user chatbot, not a feed/fake user

programmer365

Now I understand that's why I see intelligent suspicious bots sometimes

hyper-neutrino

what do you mean by intelligent suspicious bots, exactly?

programmer365

@hyper-neutrino some bots post answers in main through real persons

To get them some rep

hyper-neutrino

Ah, that's what you mean. Yeah, that's the only reasonable way for them to get the 20 rep they need to chat.

programmer365

18:03

I didn't know till now why these are done to get them rep

I am feeling sleepy good night!

hyper-neutrino

goodnight o/

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Still can't remember JHTBot's login details :P

hyper-neutrino

nice :P

does it still do anything?

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, if I run it, it still functions as it should

hyper-neutrino

what does it do; interp jelly?

caird coinheringaahing

18:11

It's just that the Monica situation happened as I was finishing it up, so JHT kinda died out :/

@hyper-neutrino Yeah, as well as fetch the docs for commands and a couple other things

hyper-neutrino

oh that's pretty cool

@cairdcoinheringaahing ah. i see, that's unfortunate

StackMeter

18:31

@Lyxal I'vecome to bargain

I need that 200 rep bounty

hyper-neutrino

For what?

StackMeter

I'm 89 rep away from getting into those review queues

hyper-neutrino

no but like which bounty are you claiming

you should probably leave a comment under the post or edit your submission into the body (depending on what the bounty-setter wanted in the post)

StackMeter

no I'm not claiming any bounty

I'm just asking @Lyxal to teach me @Vyxal

hyper-neutrino

oh

caird coinheringaahing

18:35

Vyxal

For discussion about Vyxal. Repo: github.com/Vyxal/Vyxal | Org: ...

4

hyper-neutrino

repo is github.com/Lyxal/Vyxal and there's a chatroom ^

StackMeter

ok

hyper-neutrino

huh, the suggested edit that caird reviewed 25 minutes before me didn't get touched until i finally noticed it nearly half an hour later

usually i have to get it within seconds or i'll miss it :p

caird coinheringaahing

Redwolf's taking a test, so isn't active :P

user

19:11

@ngn Huh, I wonder why inlining f works

Perhaps replacing System.out.println with something that only accepts a B might change it

Looks like the bytecode kinda removes the assignment to x and just does return new C(), so maybe that's causing it

Wait, it doesn't remove the assignment, but it looks like it doesn't store information about x's type either?

@user So I defined a function void foo(B b) and doing foo(x) did error, but not System.out.println. No idea why a local's type isn't checked but a method's parameters' are

caird coinheringaahing

19:32

New default fonts being rolled out across the network

hyper-neutrino

do the default mono fonts support the charsets that we use?

Adám

No.

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A: Ch-ch-ch-changes: Left nav, responsive design, & themes

Can we at least select our fonts? status-completed Check out the resolution to this question: Fonts and the new Q&A theming I think the fonts give much of the feeling to a site, and may even affect usability. For instance, English.SE benefits from using a serif font to clearly distinguish lette...

hyper-neutrino

Ah

ngn

@user idk, maybe it assumes that method bodies are safe

user

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Adám

19:40

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A: We're switching to system fonts on May 10th 2021

As you consider the font stack, please do consider revisiting this very popular request. Yes, it is marked status-completed, but "New plan is the old plan, mostly" and these fonts are still inappropriate for a significant number of sites.

ngn

i hate it when web designers mess with fonts

user

It's more annoying when editors/IDEs do it

ngn

what makes them think their favourite fonts will look better to me than my favourite fonts (or at least the ones i'm accustomed to seeing)?

(exceptions: web art, ancient texts, etc)

Adám

Unfortunately, a site cannot detect which fonts you have installed (without Flash…). Otherwise it'd be simple to provide a drop-down to select your font.

ngn

@Adám css supports monospace, serif, sans-serf. why would a site need anything more than that?

Adám

19:48

True, but then it may well look horrible to anyone (i.e. most) that doesn't/cannot set sensible defaults.

ngn

if they look horrible, it's a problem that should be solved in the browsers, not on individual websites

Adám

But you know well that that won't happen.

ngn

why?

Vyxal

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