The Nineteenth Byte

Lyxal

02:00

@Adalynn same course that gave this image

rak1507

cursed

hyper-neutrino

beautiful

Adalynn

C U R S E D

If that were during a

Lyxal

@Adalynn you've seen it before though

Adalynn

"Hey, let's teach about variables" moment, yeah

That's fine

But CALCULUS

REALLY

"Hey let's teach the ABCs to college students! That's reasonable!"

Lyxal

02:03

I've explained what I'm doing before

Adalynn

Rickrolling people endlessly?

Sorry I have a bad memory

Lyxal

no about why I'm only doing calculus at uni

Adalynn

OH YEAH

Now I remember

Razetime

calculus eazy

Adalynn

Analysis is pain and suffering

ngn

02:05

generalizations

Lyxal

java

ngn

@Lyxal what part of calculus is giving you trouble?

Lyxal

@ngn no part is

I'm just saying that's what today's workshop is

@Adalynn do you remember this snippet I sent:

do {
            System.out.print("Please enter a even positive integer: ");
            n = console.nextInt();
        } while (
         <0&Ḃ
        );

Adalynn

N..?

No..?

Lyxal

Java but is has jelly

Adalynn

02:07

OH YEAH

rak1507

could be worse...

Lyxal

I still wish I could jelly in java

@rak1507 chrometard

rak1507

not my screenshot

Adalynn

You say Revisioin like

Like they screwed something up before

ngn

@rak1507 is that just an illustration of bad notation? or something bad about integrals?

rak1507

02:12

@ngn pay attention to the 'formula' presented

Adalynn

Oh god

g(x) is NOT freaking x

ngn

@rak1507 yes?

rak1507

the integral from a to b of g(x) is not g(x)^2/2

Adalynn

^^

Ah how I've missed ninja's and faces of disapproval. It's good to be back.

@TheNumberOne YO!

TheNumberOne

hi

long time no see

Adalynn

02:15

Yep

TNB is actually active again

Lyxal

hey so what's bringing everyone back?

Adalynn

That was a freaking shock

I was just about to email our little server saying TNB is active or something

Then pop you show up

TheNumberOne

i only posted like one answer lol

Razetime

@Lyxal idk there's been a bunch of new users but i don't really see a big reason to come back lol

ngn

@rak1507 depends on what g(x) is - it doesn't say on the slide

Razetime

02:17

except that code golf fun

2

rak1507

@ngn I think that was presented as a general 'formula' for integrals

TheNumberOne

@Adalynn by active you mean the one KOTH i answered? :3

Adalynn

Nah I meant saying the chat room is active

Razetime

@rak1507 I think ngn may be trolling

TheNumberOne

oohhh

rak1507

02:18

@Razetime ah

TheNumberOne

my brain read TNB as TNO

i was confused

lol

ngn

@Razetime i'm not

Lyxal

@TheNumberOne TNO?

oh

ngn

@rak1507 right, if it was presented that way, it's nonsense

Lyxal

nvm

TheNumberOne

02:19

peeps used to refer to me as TNO in here a lot i think

hyper-neutrino

why not #1

it's golfier

Adalynn

Need at least 3 chars

TheNumberOne

ye, sometimes just 1

rak1507

1 is golfier

Adalynn

Oh for referring to

Yeah

Razetime

02:20

@TheNumberOne teach us Parseltongue

TheNumberOne

i always preferred KOTH over golfing :p

parseltongue is the kolmogorov representation of something

change my mind lol

oh! i still have it in my bio

Adalynn

Yeah I'm back on this account, have all my rep too

:D

TheNumberOne

happy noises

Adalynn

I can juic avocado

I think

TheNumberOne

linky testy

Lyxal

02:23

another linky testy

TheNumberOne

something i hate about discord is its lack of good links

ghost ping testy

rak1507

@Lyxal ugh, can't believe I fell for that

Lyxal

@TheNumberOne nah they got rid of that

TheNumberOne

how many years ago?

Lyxal

I don't know

TheNumberOne

02:25

i couldn't remember if they had gotten rid of it or not before i stopped being active

Lyxal

but I tried that about a month ago

Adalynn

Lyxal, I clicked on it only because it's actually a good song

Lyxal

another linky

Razetime

@TheNumberOne use a different chat with md links, bridge to discord using a bot

bots have access to markdown links

TheNumberOne

i do know that

ngl i have considered it lol

Adalynn

02:26

WTF Lyxal

hyper-neutrino

don't they need embeds though?

TheNumberOne

also, i think modding your client can do it

Adalynn

How've you been, @TheNumberOne

Lyxal

@Adalynn *lyx-ler

TheNumberOne

well, i got married a lil over a week ago

or was it two weeks?

i dunno lol

hyper-neutrino

02:27

oh, congrats!

Adalynn

CONGRATS SIS!

TheNumberOne

tho i think i already told you that @Adalynn

:3

thanks you two <3

also, i just got a masssive job offer

Razetime

wow that's a gamer moment

Adalynn

In case it isn't obvious, I've been name changing on main and School Stuff. Glad to hear things are going well!

rak1507

damn, have you won the lottery too?

Razetime

02:28

@Adalynn name changing?

TheNumberOne

i got a 150k offer on 5 months of professional experience

rak1507

whoa

Adalynn

Previously went by [CENSORED_DEADNAME]

TheNumberOne

usd

@Adalynn that's a big mood

Razetime

oh deadname

TheNumberOne

02:29

i don't think i ever put my dedname in ppcg

Adalynn

Yeah

Well and username

Because my deadname was my username

Razetime

nice

I know another golfer named lynn

TheNumberOne

adalynn is better change my mind

deadnames are cringe

Razetime

a few people from ye olde ppcg are active on code.golf

rak1507

code.golf is so tough compared to cgcc

TheNumberOne

02:31

i was always mediocre at golfing

tho, tbh for a long time i tried to golf everything in java

i was young and dumb

now i'm a bit less young and lazier

hyper-neutrino

mood but minus the "was", and also i'm not that young anymore just dumb :p

rak1507

same

Lyxal

@hyper-neutrino I beg to differ with the first part

that's a more accurate description of me than you

TheNumberOne

oh btw, yesterday i solved my first non-archived project euler problem

Adalynn

Oh Lynn! I know her!

hyper-neutrino

02:33

ok like i'm still relatively young but shh for the joke

Razetime

@rak1507 tough cause you can't immediately steal someone's extremely optimized closed formula

rak1507

@Razetime haha yeah

also IO is hard

Adalynn

Lynn's good, I'll say that

TheNumberOne

Have i met that Lynn?

Razetime

you probably have

they are very good at golfing

rak1507

02:34

extremely good

Adalynn

Yeah

rak1507

33 fibonacci python ?!?!?!??1?!??!??one

TheNumberOne

profile linky?

weeh, code.golf doesn't have idris

rak1507

Lynn, Belgium

59.5k 11 117 250

Razetime

one good thing about code golf and anagol and similar sites is that it is simple to modify the answer

rak1507

02:36

true

Razetime

no need for md formatting/explanations

rak1507

the downside is that you can't really learn anything from code.golf

because it's all secret

TheNumberOne

:(

Razetime

well you can by stalking everyone on the discord ;)

rak1507

the only thing you can learn is that everyone else is better at golfing than me

TheNumberOne

02:38

i'm on the discord

i lurk

you are probably a better golfer than me

Razetime

@TheNumberOne i shall find and unlurk your username

TheNumberOne

(it isn't that hard to find)

Razetime

it's hard to find the lgbt snake in the 100 profile pics there

remember

@hyper-neutrino remember when we were talking about cgcc ungraduation?

hyper-neutrino

yeah

Razetime

do you have a link to the script?

hyper-neutrino

02:44

not on windows

if i restart into linux today i'll try to remember to send it

Adalynn

Ungraduation..?

hyper-neutrino

i made a userscript to replace the site css with a beta site's css

to make CGCC look like it is still in beta

Lyxal

graduation but the process is reversed (dah ninja'd)

hyper-neutrino

including changing the name back to PPCG :P

4

Adalynn

This is objectively correct.

Razetime

02:45

@hyper-neutrino thanku

TheNumberOne

i was wondering why peeps were using cgcc lol

i didn't realize peeps changed the site's name

bonks SE mods

Adalynn

Is the Nico pfp new?

Razetime

yes they joined recently

Redwolf Programs

Starting to write a very long term CGCC challenge tomorrow (long term as in the work it takes to set up), should be about one year before I post it.

That is not an exagegration.

Razetime

(Spoiler it's a new KoTH)

Redwolf Programs

02:56

Nope

TheNumberOne

koth O.O

:(

Redwolf Programs

I do have a really cool one planned though

TheNumberOne

koth is the only reason i check ppcg these days

tho, i like some code challenges

i'll keep an eye out O.O

Redwolf Programs

My planned one is called Hunter-Gatherer, it involves hunting, gathering, farming, and upgrading tools as a tribe, then fighting other tribes to be the last alive

TheNumberOne

niice

Redwolf Programs

02:57

It's going to be intentionally very complicated, with lots of different aspects you have to consider, which should lead to specialization within the tribes and some very interesting bots and strategies

TheNumberOne

hm, it would be fun to implement a challenge inspired by the rat race

that was one of my favorite koth/challenges

the only problem with desiging a complicated challenge is you have to worry about people thinking it is too complicated to post an answer

i think

i never designed one. only played them

Redwolf Programs

I'm aiming for the entry barrier to be low as well. I'll format the post in a bit of a unique way, with a very general description at the top, then I'll go into way more detail in a sort of "almanac" at the bottom

TheNumberOne

that is good

Redwolf Programs

That way you can easily see how it works at first glance, come up with an idea, then if you need more details on something like hunting works you can scroll to that part specifically

TheNumberOne

oh hm, i might try one of your previous challenges. i just noticed you didn't put a time limit on bot factory 2

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Given a subset of {+,*,<,=,E,A,(constant),(variable)}. For most of the subsets, use the symbols to express Riemann hypothesis. Most subset, and on tie, smallest (code length+sum symbols used) in each language wins. (So there'll also be a winner in Text) You can also choose to focus on sum symbols...

Lyxal

ah yes now I remeber how annoying chain rule is when d/dxing

hyper-neutrino

> d/dxing

okie

- d/dxing

Bubbler

chain rule for differentiation is easy

Lyxal

but annoying

Bubbler

03:13

the real fricks come when you start integration

TheNumberOne

the real fricks come in galois theory

hyper-neutrino

the thing is as tedious as derivatives get

it's just tedious rule applications

and then there's integrals

TheNumberOne

there are worse demons in math :3
i haz a bachelor's in applied math so i have an inkling of the demons that be

e.g., try solving pde's

Bubbler

Speaking of demons, there's an entire field of mathematics for the word "chaos", and the word "catastrophe"

TheNumberOne

lol

ye

i did research in chaos math for a lil while :3

"research" as in a math professor gave me lil toy problems to play with and i was bad at it XD

(and then she paid me)

Bubbler

03:18

> math professor

> toy problems

I smell a contradiction :P

Redwolf Programs

@TheNumberOne Feel free to try any of my KotHs, even for the ones with time limits I wouldn't mind new answers (and would be glad to see them!)

TheNumberOne

@Bubbler most i got to was studying bifurcations

hyper-neutrino

@Razetime gist.github.com/hyper-neutrino/c591af36fdcfa70ce25987f5332728d2 ungraduation

TheNumberOne

i did a lot of these en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifurcation_diagram

Razetime

perfect

@hyper-neutrino now i have both the graduation and ungraduation scripts running at the same time

order has been maintained

hyper-neutrino

03:21

o.O

what's the result of that

Bubbler

Race condition :P

TheNumberOne

~~pitchfork bifurcation~~

Razetime

@hyper-neutrino honestly looks fine

hyper-neutrino

---se markdown is weird---

Lyxal

TheNumberOne

03:23

~~thank~~

Razetime

the gradscript seems to be the dominant one

Redwolf Programs

That actually looks kinda good

hyper-neutrino

ah yes, a beta site with a design

Redwolf Programs

In a weird sort of way

Lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms mind you I'm using an external dark mode extension

Redwolf Programs

03:24

I would not want to use it, or look at it in doses exceeding the safe limit, but it's...acceptable

Razetime

lyxal's dark reader makes that look better tbh

hyper-neutrino

i made it for the nostalgia but didn't end up getting any

Redwolf Programs

Wait I have both too but disabled lol

It looks awful IMO, but the grad script looks awful to me anyway so ¯\(._.)/¯

Lyxal

taskbar tour (starting from after settings): paint [for censoring the image], idle [for experimenting with features for vyxal], github desktop [for pushing stuff to main], notepad [for copying the pull command to paste in a console on my server], adobe acrobat [for reading uni texts], command prompt [for flask] and vs code [no explanation needed]

Redwolf Programs

Imagine needing a dedicated program to read PDFs

Made by Chrome gang

Lyxal

03:29

chrometard

Redwolf Programs

Did you see me running Firefox on this?

9 hours ago, by Redwolf Programs

Firefox on a Chromebook. Checkmate, Atheists.

(Click the thing to see context, there's a picture and stuff)

Bubbler

I use GitHub a lot but I don't have GitHub Desktop installed locally, not even plain git

Redwolf Programs

Same, I just use it like Google Drive lol

Lyxal

extension tour: looper for youtube [self explanatory], pushbullet [phone notifications to computer], dark reader [self explanatory], ad blocker plus [s-e], honey [I support Mr beast], eye dropper [for picking colours off webpages], Grammarly [#70+-week-streak], toby [tab manager], tampermonkey [s-e], lastpass [s-e] and internet archive [s-e]

Redwolf Programs

You can make YT videos loop by right clicking

Lyxal

03:31

It has extra looping controls

Bubbler

I use Gitpod for anything serious

hyper-neutrino

my taskbar on ubuntu literally just has my file explorer, atom, discord, chrome, and terminal

my taskbar on windows has significantly more stuff :P

Redwolf Programs

My taskbar on Chrome has Chrome (duh), Terminal, Files, Settings, and Text

Bubbler

The first item on my taskbar is IE

hyper-neutrino

D:

Bubbler

03:34

I can't get rid of it because corporate stuff

hyper-neutrino

Ah. rip

Redwolf Programs

Run away as fast as you can there's eeeeevvviiiilllll

Bubbler

then there's file explorer, screen capture, Chrome, notepad, notepad++

and a bunch of corporate stuff

hyper-neutrino

my work laptop came with edge. idk if i'm allowed to install chrome lol

Redwolf Programs

Imagine not having an OS with (good) screen capture and video recording built-in :p

hyper-neutrino

03:37

i have obs for video screen capture lol

my windows taskbar has at least file explorer, instagram, discord, i think atom, plus like five games

Redwolf Programs

In a recent update Chrome OS added built-in screen capture for video, it's pretty nice actually

It's also got awesome screenshot tools

hyper-neutrino

by awesome screenshot tools, how awesome do you mean :P

Redwolf Programs

I mean you can drag to select an area, resize it before taking the screenshot, take one then move it from the same spot to get equally sized screenshots, scroll while in the screenshot thing, do video capturing from the same menu, etc.

It's probably pretty easy to do on other OSes, but it's all built in and tied to a keyboard shortcut

hyper-neutrino

oh that's very nice

i don't think i have a built-in for that but i could almost certainly find something to do that :P

Bubbler

Oh wow. That's even better than ShareX I think?

hyper-neutrino

03:42

i only know the keybind to ss screen / rectangle to clipboard / file

Redwolf Programs

I'd take a screenshot but I don't think I can screenshot the screenshot tools

The last few screenshots also go to a little dropdown (drop-up?) menu at the bottom right so you can drag them into dialogs without opening any file explorer windows

Except, annoyingly, in SE chat

hyper-neutrino

yeah unfortunately you can't paste images into SE chat

you have to either put them online or upload

sad

Redwolf Programs

In order to just paste a link to the image I have to open a new tab, pretend to answer a question, paste in the image, and copy the imgur link

Lyxal

Just upload to discord

hyper-neutrino

i usually just SS to file and upload

Redwolf Programs

03:48

Yeah, but often I don't want to post the image, just a link

hyper-neutrino

hm good point

Lyxal

I'm in an elevator

hyper-neutrino

upload, then replace the message with the image link :P

Lyxal

Now I'm not

Redwolf Programs

@Lyxal This is the kind of hard hitting journalism we need in these desperate times

Lyxal

03:51

I am once again in an elevator

Redwolf Programs

This is getting pretty intense

Lyxal

I am once again no longer in an elevator

Redwolf Programs

I could never have seen this coming

Lyxal

I'm trying not to laugh in public at this conversation while I wait for my coffee

It's hard

hyper-neutrino

a major twist develops in the plot

Lyxal

03:56

I now have my coffee

But I have to wait for the banana bread to be warmed

Redwolf Programs

I can't look away, but I'm so nervous

Lyxal

The bread is obtained

Redwolf Programs

This is unbelievable. You're a national hero.

Lyxal

And I'm now heading to the elevator

I'm in the now infamous elevator

But it wasn't on the floor I left it on

Redwolf Programs

These HD rereleases are getting out of hand

Lyxal

04:00

I'm now out of the elevator

And I won't be back in for a while

The end

hyper-neutrino

a truly exhilarating story from start to end

Redwolf Programs

Anyway I have a massively important test tomorrow, I might be able to talk a bit tomorrow morning o/

Lyxal

O/

hyper-neutrino

good luck, don't fail :P o/

Lyxal

^

Redwolf Programs

04:04

@Lyxal That stick figure has a bit of a large head :p

Lyxal

I thought you were going

Redwolf Programs

I am, just closing all my open tabs and I heard the pings :p

hyper-neutrino

(i don't think anyone pinged??)

unless he has ping on all messages in which case how is he still alive

Lyxal

Yeah no one actually pinged

hyper-neutrino

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Lyxal

04:07

Redwolf just has advanced AI that detects if the messages are relevant to him

That or redwolf has hearing problems

hyper-neutrino

someone in his hivemind reports it to him :P

Lyxal

Clearly

CMQ: when was the last time you were in an elevator?

hyper-neutrino

oh it's got to have been like over a year ago probably

at least as far as i can remember now, anyway

Lyxal

/tp to me irl and I'll show you the elevator and you can give it a go

Bubbler

@Lyxal an hour ago

Adalynn

04:11

A few minutes

Razetime

@Lyxal 1 month

Bubbler

Meanwhile, I got some actual concrete idea for a KotH. Feedback appreciated.

Razetime

@Bubbler honestly think we need more complicated koths

I think this will be a lot more fun to make a bot for

it will attract fewer joke entries and encourage thinking

@Bubbler ok what does "Half information of the opponent's deck" mean

Bubbler

You get to know 5 of the 10 cards in your opponent's deck, as part of the drafting process

Lyxal

oh thank goodness finally. The intro to oop course first year students have to do is finally up to introducing arrays

Razetime

04:21

ok, cool

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okie

04:42

Saying so maybe inapporiate, but having a annoymous user in most of the chatroom made me a bit unsetting, I mean, yea, users is encouraged to join chat room, I agree with this idea too, but the name, like you just see someone with annoymous pfp and named like user69420 scares me a little.

Can't SE just have a friendlier naming system

Adalynn

Then again

Adám

@okie It could, but chat is SE's neglected child.

Adalynn

user69420 is like

Kinda distinctive?

69420

I thought that was PPCG :P

Lyxal

alright time to see how broken vs code gets today with syntax highlighting

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Regex, ASCII-literal Objective Execute the given regex for the given text. The regex is in a special scheme I made. Motivation For most regexes the usual languages support, they assign some printable ASCII characters for special instructions. For POSIX as an example, * is the Kleene star, . match...

hyper-neutrino

04:58

idk how i feel about the anon system. it makes sense because of potential issues with offensive pfps and usernames. at the same time, "user62636425" and that default pfp looks kinda bad

nicer username, idk. maybe just use their identicon?

like, everyone has one...

A username

I'm taking random messages from here as testcases for my newest question.

hyper-neutrino

but yes, chat is totally neglected like adam said lol

Razetime

is code golf the only site that actually uses SE chat

hyper-neutrino

math does too

A username

You have been warned.

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